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[K38BOB]

After a few years of subcritical mass, multihulls are in the BBS! Thanks Peter and StFYC

"In addition to the new HPR class, Rolex Big Boat Series organizers will also be inviting high performance catamarans to compete in 2012.“With the excitement being generated by the 34^thAmericas Cup and the Americas Cup World Series currently underway, we thought this would also be the perfect opportunity to invite a serious high performance catamaran class for the Rolex Big Boat Series.” says Peter Stoneberg, Commodore of St. Francis Yacht Club.“There are currently several Prosail 40 catamarans as well as an SL-33 and an Extreme 40 sailing on San Francisco Bay, and we hope to attract all of these boats as well as more boats from outside of the Bay Area,” Stoneberg continued."


link

[Multihauler]

link

Be careful there K38BOB.......you're playing with fire.

-MH

[trimariner]

Yes MH, how radically daring of them, dipping a tentative little toe into the swirling waters of the future.

[Multihauler]

Yes MH, how radically daring of them, dipping a tentative little toe into the swirling waters of the future.

Mr./Ms. trimariner,

My previous comment had nothing whatsoever to do with the announcement of the addition of a High Performance Catamaran class at the 2013 Rolex Big Boat series.

If you click on the link, and have a basic understanding of how Sailing Anarchy was started, you would understand.

-MH

[K38BOB]

this is going well......

so who do we have committed?
Prospects>>>

- Lightspeed

- X40 Jerome

-SmartRecruiters X40

-Shadow F40

-BridgeRunner SL33

-SIG45

-Tuki

-Rocket 88

-Adrenaline

-Beowulf

[oldsailor]

this is going well......

so who do we have committed?
Prospects>>>

- Lightspeed

- X40 Jerome

-SmartRecruiters X40

-Shadow F40

-BridgeRunner SL33

-SIG45

-Tuki

-Rocket 88

-Adrenaline

-Beowulf

[oldsailor]

I just hope that this projected event is not the fizzle which the Multihull Sidney-Hobart race was.

[K38BOB]

I just hope that this projected event is not the fizzle which the Multihull Sidney-Hobart race was.

The commodore of StFYC owns shadow


Any updates? Rumor has it that another P-40 will be racing the bay...

[SeaGul]

Catamarans? ...what about trimarans?

[K38BOB]

Catamarans? ...what about trimarans?

We've tried to get the tri's to rally to get a fleet for RBBS the last couple of years- no luck. The uber beach cat fleet OTH has grown and rallied and is interested. If a tri had similar speed and was sufficiently big (35 ft or so), perhaps an invite could be suggested. I know big was part of the requirement but so is evenly matched speed and seaworthiness so the fleet doesn't get so spread out for race logistics reasons.

cheers
bob

The invite does say cat.... but we couldn't find any tri's beforehand
"In addition to the new HPR class, Rolex Big Boat Series organizers will also be inviting high performance catamarans to compete in 2012.“With the excitement being generated by the 34^thAmericas Cup and the Americas Cup World Series currently underway, we thought this would also be the perfect opportunity to invite a serious high performance catamaran class for the Rolex Big Boat Series.” says Peter Stoneberg, Commodore of St. Francis Yacht Club.“There are currently several Prosail 40 catamarans as well as an SL-33 and an Extreme 40 sailing on San Francisco Bay, and we hope to attract all of these boats as well as more boats from outside of the Bay Area,” Stoneberg continued. "

[Cakewalk]

I have a 34'x26' 1600# carbon mast trimaran with similar speed, I have asked to enter but they only want to race the kind of boats that lost the AC challenge. So the invite is for catamarans not multihulls. One step forward, two steps back.

[K38BOB]

I have a 34'x26' 1600# carbon mast trimaran with similar speed, I have asked to enter but they only want to race the kind of boats that lost the AC challenge. So the invite is for catamarans not multihulls. One step forward, two steps back.

Take the chip off your shoulder..might be more invite-able- besides its not your typical positive- can do attitude. It is by invitation (and its not my or BAMA's invitation). And the good news is that we finally had a big enough, similar enough fleet that was interested in being invited- and they were. Cakewalk was simply not considered in any of the "what if" discussions being new and unknown. Sorry about that- it was an innocent oversight many mos. ago.

So part of the race management logistics challenge is the fleet/division has similar enough speed and reliability/durability.
cheers
bob

[K38BOB]

Opened dialog again. No promises but anybody else interested?

[Cakewalk]

I have a 34'x26' 1600# carbon mast trimaran with similar speed, I have asked to enter but they only want to race the kind of boats that lost the AC challenge. So the invite is for catamarans not multihulls. One step forward, two steps back.

Take the chip off your shoulder..might be more invite-able- besides its not your typical positive- can do attitude. It is by invitation (and its not my or BAMA's invitation). And the good news is that we finally had a big enough, similar enough fleet that was interested in being invited- and they were. Cakewalk was simply not considered in any of the "what if" discussions being new and unknown. Sorry about that- it was an innocent oversight many mos. ago.

So part of the race management logistics challenge is the fleet/division has similar enough speed and reliability/durability.
cheers
bob

No chip,just fun. We know who WON the Ac Challenge and it wasn't a catamaran!

[Rhino 15]

this is going well......

so who do we have committed?
Prospects>>>

- Lightspeed

- X40 Jerome

-SmartRecruiters X40

-Shadow F40

-BridgeRunner SL33

-SIG45

-Tuki

-Rocket 88

-Adrenaline

-Beowulf

Has Shadow been put back together?

[K38BOB]

this is going well......

so who do we have committed?
Prospects>>>

- Lightspeed

- X40 Jerome

-SmartRecruiters X40

-Shadow F40

-BridgeRunner SL33

-SIG45

- Tuki

-Rocket 88

-Adrenaline

-Beowulf

Has Shadow been put back together?

Talked w Peter today- affirmative on getting Shadow in RBBS
need 6 cat entries by end of Aug. Additional boats may be possible after that core fleet

Who's in besides Bridgerunner and Shadow?
Tuki?
Adrenalin?
Rocket 88?
Beowolf? HMB Boys & Girls Club?
Sig 45?
Smart recruiters X40?
Lightspeed?
X40 Jerome?

BAMA ratings to be used.
Separate courses possible

[Trevor B]

Working hard to get Lightspeed there.

[K38BOB]

Working hard to get Lightspeed there.

Cool- peter's helping too.
X40 verbal yes on FB today
URS already yes
Shadow yes

Met with Michael T today
He reports verbal yes on Rocket (and probably not on beowolf) and he's optimistic on Adrenalin (doing Jazz cup the week before).

So thats a verbal yes/likely on 6 boats!!

TUKI and Sig 45 would be extra- any inputs?? and then we can consider special boats

Entries need to be paid up by end of Aug- need BAMA rating

Start thinking about courses- they'll take input

cheers
bob- official multihull fleet rep RBBS

[soma]

You guys suck.

I WANNA PLAY TOO!

[aA]

bob...is beowolf the cat sitting on a trailer behind hmb&garden supply (in the pic)? is she a rocket88?

[K38BOB]

You guys suck.

I WANNA PLAY TOO!

EZ- buy Gladstones , its a lot closer and I'm sure we could help getting it North

[soma]

You guys suck.

I WANNA PLAY TOO!

EZ- buy Gladstones , its a lot closer and I'm we could help get it North

An f40 in the Caribbean and a Prosail 40 on the left coast? That'd be big baller status for sure. Sold.

[K38BOB]

You guys suck.
I WANNA PLAY TOO!

EZ- buy Gladstones , its a lot closer and I'm sure we could help get it North

An f40 in the Caribbean and a Prosail 40 on the left coast? That'd be big baller status for sure. Sold.

And Johns already working on a BAMA ratiing...let me know if you need contact info

[K38BOB]

bob...is beowolf the cat sitting on a trailer behind hmb&garden supply (in the pic)? is she a rocket88?

Yes Driscoll's Beowolf is now known as HMB Boys and girls club.

Rocket is a different boat.




Both are D class. Rocket is in. Adrenalin also confirmed in (Bill and Marie).
So 2 D class in and 2 not in/yet
cheers
bob

[munt]

how wide is rocket and what is mast height? thanks

[K38BOB]

how wide is rocket and what is mast height? thanks

should be here link

[Occams Razor]

bob...is beowolf the cat sitting on a trailer behind hmb&garden supply (in the pic)? is she a rocket88?

Yes Driscoll's Beowolf is now known as HMB Boys and girls club.

Rocket is a different boat.




Both are D class. Rocket is in. Adrenalin also confirmed in (Bill and Marie).
So 2 D class in and 2 not in/yet
cheers
bob

My math skills must suck. Adrenalin, Rocket, HMB Boys and Girls, what's the 4th one?

[K38BOB]

bob...is beowolf the cat sitting on a trailer behind hmb&garden supply (in the pic)? is she a rocket88?

Yes Driscoll's Beowolf is now known as HMB Boys and girls club.

Rocket is a different boat.




Both are D class. Rocket is in. Adrenalin also confirmed in (Bill and Marie).
So 2 D class in and 2 not in/yet
cheers
bob

My math skills must suck. Adrenalin, Rocket, HMB Boys and Girls, what's the 4th one?

Your math is fine! lol..still reconciling names vs boats. No 4th D class. and only 1 X40. Should have copied my original post !

[K38BOB]

Working hard to get Lightspeed there.

Any update? Working with StFYC on publicity who is working with Rolex PR. PM/email me please
thanks
bob

[K38BOB]

Working hard to get Lightspeed there.

Any update? Working with StFYC on publicity who is working with Rolex PR. PM/email me please

Wow, have all ready seen the draft backgrounder on the multihull fleet working w StFYC and Rolex....very cool.
Get your info, entries in or contact for any info reference material link

Thanks!
Bob

[K38BOB]

BridgeRunner entry now joined by Rocket 88 and conditionally entry of Cakewalk.

Lots of others have signaled intent- really helps if you let me know- or let me know your spokesman/contact person.

If you're a candidate and have not received an email update- please PM.
Thanks
bob

[K38BOB]

what training boats are the AC teams using in this size range?

LunaRosa and ETNZ have SL-33 (not in town- I checked)

what about the other teams? Ben Aisle? Korea? China? Energy? Artemis? Ortusa

[Multihauler]

what training boats are the AC teams using in this size range?

what about the other teams? Ben Aisle? Korea? China? Energy? Artemis? Ortusa

K38BOB,

I believe that Ben "Ainslie" had been training in a Finn.....in London.


Seriously........

BAR is not competing in the 2013 LV/AC, so I doubt there is a training boat in place.
AR has been using the ORMA 60 Tri to test their wing.
OR has a second pair modified AC-45s.
Energy Team and China not competing for the 2013 LV/AC, so likely no trainers.
Not sure about TK.


I would suggest contacting the Extreme 40 series folks and see if they are interested in sending a couple of boats over (....for charter? ).

Cheers!!!

-MH

[K38BOB]

what training boats are the AC teams using in this size range?

what about the other teams? Ben Aisle? Korea? China? Energy? Artemis? Ortusa

K38BOB,

I believe that Ben "Ainslie" had been training in a Finn.....in London.


Seriously........

BAR is not competing in the 2013 LV/AC, so I doubt there is a training boat in place.
AR has been using the ORMA 60 Tri to test their wing.
OR has a second pair modified AC-45s.
Energy Team and China not competing for the 2013 LV/AC, so likely no trainers.
Not sure about TK.


I would suggest contacting the Extreme 40 series folks and see if they are interested in sending a couple of boats over (....for charter? ).

Cheers!!!

-MH

Thanks...I thought at least one of the asian teams had an x40 or two?? so i asked for all just in case

[Multihauler]

Thanks...I thought at least one of the asian teams had an x40 or two?? so i asked for all just in case

China Team has been racing in the Extreme Sailing Series. LINK

I believe the boats are owned by the Series, and leased to the teams.

-MH

[K38BOB]

Alrighty then..
SL-33- Bridgerunner- entered
D-class- Rocket 88- entered
D-Class- Adrenaline- entered
Prosail 40- Shadow- rig shipping today- expect official entry today

LS32- working on charter and other logistics
X40-Smart Recruiters- expressed intent
Prosail 40-TUKI- hhhmmm- analysis mode
Sig 45- Vamonos!- ??
Prosail 40- Gladstone's- For sale- turn key solution!

Cakewalk- entered as conditional 7th

[Dixie]

I sailed Vamonosi yesterday. First off the SIG45 is a fabulous boat. Secondly there is guarded interest in the BBS. I will be chatting with them in an hour or so and can find out more. The discussion was (and someone from another entered cat was there) how the course layout will work for the BBS? Will there be a separate course (which means more volunteers, boats etc) or will they have a different course in the same starting area? Any knowledge on this would be most helpful.

Dixie

[K38BOB]

I sailed Vamonosi yesterday. First off the SIG45 is a fabulous boat. Secondly there is guarded interest in the BBS. I will be chatting with them in an hour or so and can find out more. The discussion was (and someone from another entered cat was there) how the course layout will work for the BBS? Will there be a separate course (which means more volunteers, boats etc) or will they have a different course in the same starting area? Any knowledge on this would be most helpful.

Dixie

Thanks. Have them contact me please so I can add them to the email list.

The answer is that we have a lot of latitude in defining longer courses and of our choosing within the (the relatively vast) capabilities of the RBBS RC. Its up to the fleet. Everyone's preference is to emulate RBBS fleets which alternate daily from a city front to Berkeley circle venue. Specific courses are up to the MH fleet.

and they need to get a BAMA rating..
cheers
bob
(envious- of Kimball too!)

[Dixie]

Kimball's adventures...how can one not be envious! I will put the LeBreton folks who are in close touch with the owner in touch with you.
He hit 34kts he reported...we hit 25 (my PR) and we sailed at a sustained 20-23. Absolutely fantastic. I hope they do make the BBS!

[K38BOB]

Kimball's adventures...how can one not be envious! I will put the LeBreton folks who are in close touch with the owner in touch with you.
He hit 34kts he reported...we hit 25 (my PR) and we sailed at a sustained 20-23. Absolutely fantastic. I hope they do make the BBS!

Thanks! Would love to have them in RBBS (its a branding thing )

[krispy kreme]

I sailed Vamonosi yesterday. First off the SIG45 is a fabulous boat. Secondly there is guarded interest in the BBS. I will be chatting with them in an hour or so and can find out more. The discussion was (and someone from another entered cat was there) how the course layout will work for the BBS? Will there be a separate course (which means more volunteers, boats etc) or will they have a different course in the same starting area? Any knowledge on this would be most helpful.

Dixie

They are getting their own course

As they should

Put that one to bed

[krispy kreme]

And away we go

http://www.regattane...ear=2012&ctid=6

[K38BOB]

I sailed Vamonosi yesterday. First off the SIG45 is a fabulous boat. Secondly there is guarded interest in the BBS. I will be chatting with them in an hour or so and can find out more. The discussion was (and someone from another entered cat was there) how the course layout will work for the BBS? Will there be a separate course (which means more volunteers, boats etc) or will they have a different course in the same starting area? Any knowledge on this would be most helpful.

Dixie

They are getting their own course
As they should
Put that one to bed

Just a slight change in voice from passive to active- the fleet needs to provide some inputs/proposals. Literally herding cats here.

[K38BOB]

And away we go

http://www.regattane...ear=2012&ctid=6

Thanks!

[munt]

what are the particulars regarding chartering that lightspeed? and do any of you s.f. blokes know of a multi for rent/charter during next week's A.C? thanks

[K38BOB]

And away we go
http://www.regattane...ear=2012&ctid=6

Thanks!

and picked up in Sail-world link

[Savoyard]

bob...is beowolf the cat sitting on a trailer behind hmb&garden supply (in the pic)? is she a rocket88?

Yes Driscoll's Beowolf is now known as HMB Boys and girls club.

Rocket is a different boat.




Both are D class. Rocket is in. Adrenalin also confirmed in (Bill and Marie).
So 2 D class in and 2 not in/yet
cheers
bob

What is the black hulled cat in the slip outside of Rocket?

[Dixie]

what are the particulars regarding chartering that lightspeed? and do any of you s.f. blokes know of a multi for rent/charter during next week's A.C? thanks

did you find an answer to this? If not, pm me I may be able to at the least connect you. But charters are going fast.

[K38BOB]

I answered the LS part and RBBS..hopefully good news on LS shortly. Hugo responded to my emails via his website so I think some good news there as well.

Would be nice to have TUKI and Smart Recruiters

[K38BOB]

What is the black hulled cat in the slip outside of Rocket?

Modified D-class - Adrenalin

[K38BOB]

this is going well......

so who do we have committed?
Prospects>>>

- Lightspeed

- X40 Jerome

-SmartRecruiters X40

-Shadow F40

-BridgeRunner SL33

-SIG45

- Tuki

-Rocket 88

-Adrenaline

-Beowulf

Has Shadow been put back together?

Talked w Peter today- affirmative on getting Shadow in RBBS
need 6 cat entries by end of Aug. Additional boats may be possible after that core fleet

Who's in besides Bridgerunner and Shadow?
Tuki?
Adrenalin?
Rocket 88?
Beowolf? HMB Boys & Girls Club?
Sig 45?
Smart recruiters X40?
Lightspeed?
X40 Jerome?

BAMA ratings to be used.
Separate courses possible

Shadow entered- need 6 cats by the 29th to have a fleet start!

Likely prospects expressing intent/interest that meet the fleet profile-

Lightspeed 32, Sig 45, TUKI...or an XS cat from SoCal? or buy Hydrogen 2/Gladstones??

X40 and Beowolf programs unfortunately don't fit this year but looking forward to 2013!

http://www.yachtscor...eet.cfm?eID=691

PS- we did check to see if the 2 each ETNZ, LR SL-33 were available. :-)

[Trevor B]

I'd guess the LightSpeed will be there, the Sig-45 and Tuki will not.

[K38BOB]

I'd guess the LightSpeed will be there, the Sig-45 and Tuki will not.

In close contact with all 3. Working on issues. Wouldn't count out the latter 2 yet. I'm looking forward to announce LS entry :-)

[K38BOB]

Phillipe's in.

Need 1 or more.

[K38BOB]

Privileged to have known him.

[K38BOB]

Privileged to have known him.

Vamonos! is in!
Tom with Tom's TomCat Crew! Fitting..

[SolarHamlet]

If any multihull is looking for RBBS crew I'm available on Thur/Fri Sept 6/7. Due to performance/work schedule (http://www.sfshakes....park/index.html) am unavailable on Sat/Sun or I'd be with my regular crew with Bill on Adrenaline.

30+ years racing
ISAF class 1, 5’9”, 160 lbs/73 kg
Expiry Date 14 July 2014
ISAF ID USAAA21

Here's a link to my SA report on the 2012 Ditch Run:
http://www.sailingan...le.php?get=9435

Cheers,
Anthony Abaté
anthdotabateatgmaildotcom
707-4nine5-zero134

[Speng]

What about Bill Gibbs on Afterburner? or does he only do distance stuff?

[munt]

I bet if you are willing to sail Afterburner from ventura to san francisco on a firm schedule (not worried about sailing into 30 knots and 8 foot chop on the nose for 300 + miles) he would be happy to participate...

[K38BOB]

I bet if you are willing to sail Afterburner from ventura to san francisco on a firm schedule (not worried about sailing into 30 knots and 8 foot chop on the nose for 300 + miles) he would be happy to participate...

^ what he said. Our SoCal kin were invited last year and this year

[U20guy2]

For the right price you could probably charter one of the AC 45's ha ha.

[Multihauler]

(not worried about sailing into 30 knots and 8 foot chop on the nose for 300 + miles)

Hmmmm.....didn't seem to stop these guys.....



Just sayin...

Cheers!!!

-MH

[K38BOB]

and you thought my opening post was pushing it

[Dixie]

Congrats on getting the Sig in. Fantastic news, cannot wait to see her back on the water.

[K38BOB]

Congrats on getting the Sig in. Fantastic news, cannot wait to see her back on the water.

Thanks! Yes they helped in a big way to make quota.

[K38BOB]

Just in case any crew are here that may need to help out.


GPS Tracks
I know its late idea, but its possible. I'd like to suggest you log your tracks and send to BAMA

BAMA has pioneered GPS tracks for entertainment and education value to improve club racing since 2008.
http://www.sfbama.or...ace Replay.html . This page also shows how to download and where to send.

Its important to set your sampling rate fast enough for useful resolution and small enough for your GPS memory capacity. You also need a GPS that can download your track. We have been able to retrieve tracks from handheld units after the fact. Ask for assistance if you need it

Always on Race Track
FYI, here's a fixed mark GPS race track that is always on that can be useful for training. http://www.sfbama.or...rack/index.html

Video
Goes without saying, but hopefully everyone has onboard video! Nice companion to GPS tracks.

cheers!
bob

[Bill Gibbs]

Hmmmm.....didn't seem to stop these guys.....

We have different day-jobs.

[K38BOB]

live tracker http://www.rolexbigb...cker/multihulls

live video http://www.rolexbigboatseries.com/

Day 1

BR had some jib sheet block failure that made for challenging boat handling in the 2nd race where it blew in the teens and was verging on over powered.

Shadow came alive in the 2nd race as did Vamonos in those conditions- got to love a 45 cruising cat flying a hull driven by the owner

Lightspeed gives pretty good chase

Rocket 88 had hull failure and didn't finish the 1st race and sadly may not recover. The 2nd D-class incident in a week with Adrenalin out with aft beam problems

Cakewalk had some sail handling challenges when they discovered a screecher in the water is not fast. Some herculean crew effort paid a price though...

cheers
bob

[40Plus]

I find it interesting watching the tracker, big difference in the SIG's performance compared to the others, somewhat surpised there is that much difference given the hype of the SIG's performance from Le Breton. And before I get trashed, I do realize I'm not comparing apples to apples, still like the SIG though.

[Bill Gibbs]

I find it interesting watching the tracker, big difference in the SIG's performance compared to the others, somewhat surpised there is that much difference given the hype of the SIG's performance from Le Breton.

I'm surprised too. I never would have guessed that she'd be so fast. It's incredible that a luxury cat can rate a -45 PHRF and hang with stripped out race boats.

[40Plus]

I find it interesting watching the tracker, big difference in the SIG's performance compared to the others, somewhat surpised there is that much difference given the hype of the SIG's performance from Le Breton.

I'm surprised too. I never would have guessed that she'd be so fast. It's incredible that a luxury cat can rate a -45 PHRF and hang with stripped out race boats.

Well she is 45' full carbon and 1mil +, there has to be some expectations of performance. Having watched some video of the racing seems the big issue upwind is pointing, hard to tell. Hope to hear some reports from onboard and from their competition.

[K38BOB]

I find it interesting watching the tracker, big difference in the SIG's performance compared to the others, somewhat surpised there is that much difference given the hype of the SIG's performance from Le Breton.

I'm surprised too. I never would have guessed that she'd be so fast. It's incredible that a luxury cat can rate a -45 PHRF and hang with stripped out race boats.

Well she is 45' full carbon and 1mil +, there has to be some expectations of performance. Having watched some video of the racing seems the big issue upwind is pointing, hard to tell. Hope to hear some reports from onboard and from their competition.

Also the crew was TomCat crew plus Gino. Owner was a hobie/nacra owner. Very nice guy and drove the boat- its pretty special watching a cruiser fly a hull

[SL33_SF]

I find it interesting watching the tracker, big difference in the SIG's performance compared to the others, somewhat surpised there is that much difference given the hype of the SIG's performance from Le Breton.

I'm surprised too. I never would have guessed that she'd be so fast. It's incredible that a luxury cat can rate a -45 PHRF and hang with stripped out race boats.

Well she is 45' full carbon and 1mil +, there has to be some expectations of performance. Having watched some video of the racing seems the big issue upwind is pointing, hard to tell. Hope to hear some reports from onboard and from their competition.

Speed difference was mostly in light air. When it blows that SIG45 flies (very comfortably...)! A super cool boat indeed.
It also did very well in the 'Bay Tour' where there is more reaching and not pure windward/leeward.
Great to have them out there!

[DryArmour]

Hmmmm.....didn't seem to stop these guys.....

We have different day-jobs.

Well, that and short tacking the City Front in a flood tide wouldn't be a lot of fun...That would be a hairball event for the burner though on the city tour in 35 knots and an ebb tide...Send video if you ever decide to do it!