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#1 Enzedel 92

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Posted 01 July 2012 - 09:18 PM

Interesting to see if ETNZ gets their act together...

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 01:44 AM

I think you love the ACWS now. I think you have a teenage sailboat crush on match racing catamarans. I think you can't stop yourself from posting on anything remotely AC because you're stern over bow, hot for wusselvision and the next time your yacht club's commodore hits you up for drinks you're going to mention how sexy beam reaching starts would be, you know one on one or for a little fleet action.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 02:05 AM

:lol:

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 03:48 PM

Ben Ainslie is going to get schooled in SF.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 04:30 PM

San Francisco in August is going to be amazing. Can't wait to see that go down. Might need to make a visit with the family and spend some time with my sister or brother.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 08:02 PM

Hopefully the infrastructure is coming along well.

Look at Jimmy with the makeup:



I just realized Murray Jones was part of Oracle haha.

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Posted 02 July 2012 - 11:16 PM

I think you love the ACWS now. I think you have a teenage sailboat crush on match racing catamarans. I think you can't stop yourself from posting on anything remotely AC because you're stern over bow, hot for wusselvision and the next time your yacht club's commodore hits you up for drinks you're going to mention how sexy beam reaching starts would be, you know one on one or for a little fleet action.

Koukel



Nope just glad the first season is over. Nothing like having a final between the same teams.

Onto SF but the turnaround is quick so we will see how agile the ACEA is.

#8 Enzedel 92

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:05 AM

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:11 AM

[Nice drawing of planned AC facilities]

This is what is planned for 2013; almost NONE of it is in place now. In fact, at the moment NOTHING of this is complete, and little is under construction. If they really are going to use Piers 30/32, they better get started!

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:20 AM

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[Nice drawing of planned AC facilities]

This is what is planned for 2013; almost NONE of it is in place now. In fact, at the moment NOTHING of this is complete, and little is under construction. If they really are going to use Piers 30/32, they better get started!



July 4th 2013 is the opening ceremonies of the LV Cup. One year is a very short leash to build a pier. I wonder what the liquidated damages will be on that construction project?

Can you tell if there is any mobilizing in the area?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 01:50 AM

Pier 27 demolition should gave already begun.

http://38.106.4.220/...documentid=2512

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 03:05 AM

San Francisco in August is going to be amazing.


Why?

Because of fog?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 03:50 AM


San Francisco in August is going to be amazing.


Why?

Because of fog?

No.
Because it blows.
One of the windiest summers in memory going on now.




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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:17 AM



San Francisco in August is going to be amazing.


Why?

Because of fog?

No.
Because it blows.
One of the windiest summers in memory going on now.

The bay can also see fog with 75' of visibility and 15 knot winds, like BBS 2010.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 04:29 AM

Construction has already started. WTF are you people talking about? It's not going to transform the entire SF waterfront, but it will be a world-class event. As an amusing aside, I was at the Village Pub in Woodside at a "Farewell to Foie" dinner last Saturday and overheard the party at the next table describing how all their guest rooms were already booked for the AC. B)

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:18 PM

Pier 27 demolition should gave already begun.

http://38.106.4.220/...documentid=2512


You are making yourself look a little silly here.
While you can dig out committee minutes you miss the photos that have been posted here of: a/ the demolition and b/ the fact that the steel work for the terminal is basically complete.

Looking for problems?

#17 Enzedel 92

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 12:43 PM


Pier 27 demolition should gave already begun.

http://38.106.4.220/...documentid=2512


You are making yourself look a little silly here.
While you can dig out committee minutes you miss the photos that have been posted here of: a/ the demolition and b/ the fact that the steel work for the terminal is basically complete.

Looking for problems?



Yeah I am looking for an internet fight? :unsure: Where are the photos? I dont have all day to go thru threads 400 pages long.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:43 PM

Fifth hit from Google search "america's cup pier 27".

http://www.americasc...3,13,en,fl.html

Or one could simply sail by. . .

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 02:56 PM

So much for the finger piers.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 03:06 PM

Are the fingers going to be added?

I am still suprised that Ben is starting this late.

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 03:31 PM

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 05:19 PM

...how all their guest rooms were already booked for the AC. B)

How about for the challenger series?

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 06:35 PM


...how all their guest rooms were already booked for the AC. B)

How about for the challenger series?

Koukel


Don't know. I only heard the part about the AC because some part of my brain picked those words out of the general buzz and caused me to pay attention. Normally I tune out conversations at neighboring tables. :)

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Posted 03 July 2012 - 07:59 PM

NBC has already booked airtime on the 26th.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 01:32 AM

Its only for an hour though

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:39 AM

Come on, answer the question.

Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

All the Bertarelli-era ACTS involved transport by ship. Right?

This Rhode Island to California boat railway train should be quite a sight.

Anyone got more information?


[P.S. Yea, I know it is the WSL, not AC. But a train is a train]

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:45 AM

Now the ACWS is ok because a train is involved ?

How two faced can you get ?

Sure you're not in politics ?

Maybe you should ditch the podium and pick up a ballot box instead.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 04:31 AM

Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

This Rhode Island to California boat railway train should be quite a sight.

Anyone got more information?


It will be interesting to see if the containers go direct to SF or are transhipped via the Port of Oakland. One reason why SF isn't a major West coast port is that the SF railway tunnels are too short to accommodate double-stacked container cars. Trivia: If the boats are delivered by rail direct to Pier 80, it will be via the San Francisco Bay Railroad, a Class 3 railroad with five miles of track and three locomotives.

How many double stacked cars will the ACWS require? Will they stand out on a typical mile-long train?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 05:58 AM

Can't they just load them on a series of trucks in Oakland?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:28 PM

Can't they just load them on a series of trucks in Oakland?


That's the most likely route. IMO.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:59 PM

Who will be the first nut case in here to post pictures of acws containers on the tracks ? :D

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:27 PM

Come on, answer the question.

Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

All the Bertarelli-era ACTS involved transport by ship. Right?

This Rhode Island to California boat railway train should be quite a sight.

Anyone got more information?


[P.S. Yea, I know it is the WSL, not AC. But a train is a train]


What in the world does it matter how the boats get to the venue? Good Lord you get so pompous with such minutia.



They were trucked overland from Derecktors, Goet, etc over the years, even on large air transports. Anybody remember the Anotov's that used to show-up when it was getting down to crunch time in the season?

Don't you have a lecture to give somewhere?

I think though you have a greater aim in this forum than discussing the AC and all its parts and pieces:

You throw these bombs to see how people in the forum are going to react. I would not be surprised if you have a paper or lecture series that you are going to base it on, probably to make a fee or two. Nothing else makes sense with all the idiotic points that you try to make, and your constant criticisms of all things US based. I am not alone in adding you to the 'troll' list in my book and have been avoiding responding to your posts, attempting to avoid being a further 'subject' of your study.

So, go chase your 'Taniwhaaaa' and take your studies elsewhere.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 03:58 PM

So, on another tangent, but thread related, which of you are coming to visit and when? I'd love to put together an SAAC gathering at one of the marina bars....

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 04:23 PM

So, on another tangent, but thread related, which of you are coming to visit and when? I'd love to put together an SAAC gathering at one of the marina bars....


Most likely I have one shot at getting out to SF, and as much as I would like to see all the boats race, being there for the first race of the Cup is paramount to me. Of course getting to meet other SAAC participants is #2 on the list.

So I will have to vote for one at the start of the Cup match, unfortunately.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 04:34 PM

Who will be the first nut case in here to post pictures of acws containers on the tracks ? :D


Like following the ship carrying UA-17 from webcam to webcam :)

The containers could possibly go on the UP tracks I can see from my office window, but exactly when, who can say?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 06:14 PM


Come on, answer the question.


What in the world does it matter how the boats get to the venue? Good Lord you get so pompous with such minutia.

Don't you have a lecture to give somewhere?

I think though you have a greater aim in this forum than discussing the AC and all its parts and pieces:

You throw these bombs to see how people in the forum are going to react. I would not be surprised if you have a paper or lecture series that you are going to base it on, probably to make a fee or two. Nothing else makes sense with all the idiotic points that you try to make, and your constant criticisms of all things US based. I am not alone in adding you to the 'troll' list in my book and have been avoiding responding to your posts, attempting to avoid being a further 'subject' of your study.

So, go chase your 'Taniwhaaaa' and take your studies elsewhere.


When TK is not acting as self appointed moderator or country spokesperson for one of several countries, he's trying to establish a position in front of the classroom as a self-proclaimed expert and ultimate authoritarian (dictator ?) on what actually matters in life and what is right and wrong. Although his facts are often wrong, he usually ignores it when someone points it out.

Their are numerous examples, the most recent is the AC Stadium Racing in NZ, which he still has not acknowledged but continues to bitch about stadium racing. Gotta love double standards.

I'd venture a guess if you removed all the non sailing and chest beating about everything Kiwi BS from his posts, about 1/3 of what he writes would remain, if that.

When he doesn't get a sufficient response he pushes people to "Come on, answer the question".

All the anti US BS is strictly trolling. Would love to see the Blue Angels blow his tent off its stakes if he gets past the border.

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 07:26 PM

Come on, answer the question.

Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats containers rumbling across the landscape.

All the Bertarelli-era ACTS involved transport by ship. Right?

This Rhode Island to California boat railway train should be quite a sight.

Anyone got more information?


[P.S. Yea, I know it is the WSL, not AC. But a train is a train]


Fixed....

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:03 PM

Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

Perhaps they should photoship them?

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:30 PM


Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

Perhaps they should photoship them?

Ha!

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:34 PM



Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

Perhaps they should photoship them?

Ha!


I had that idea - but no one took my PS seriouslyPosted Image Just too ridiculous I guess

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 04:06 AM




Can anyone remember a time when the America's Cup involved a train load of boats rumbling across the landscape.

Perhaps they should photoship them?

Ha!


I had that idea - but no one took my PS seriouslyPosted Image Just too ridiculous I guess

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you make a good point.

"Johnny, have you ever seen a grown man naked.................................."

Who gives a Sh......................

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 03:52 PM

from http://instagram.com/p/MtFkNvF3o0/

'containers loading onto train'

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 03:58 PM

Who will be the first nut case in here to post pictures of acws containers on the tracks ? :D



Yes, that would be something.

And bound to be included in the next big photographic history of the AC.

Along with pictures of boats being shipped to Ernesto`s cts

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 04:05 PM

You throw these bombs to see how people in the forum are going to react. I would not be surprised if you have a paper or lecture series that you are going to base it on, probably to make a fee or two. Nothing else makes sense with all the idiotic points that you try to make


You are the second person to make this accusation. Marian Martin was the first.

You are both wrong.

I am too busy on China and other projects to do anything about the AC.

As for fees ... it is such a silly proposition I will not dignify it with a response.

As for idiotic points and minutia ... yes, well .... they are what make the world go round.

If you doubt it, ask Schappi and Stingray.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 04:35 PM

Schappi???

http://www.myvideo.d...erbung_von_1961

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 06:22 PM

Who will be the first nut case in here to post pictures of acws containers on the tracks ? :D


You talkin' to me? :lol:

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 06:24 PM

Yeah, what are the specs on those containers??

We've tracked a lot of ships from Ocean Lady, Cassandra B, onwards. But trainspotting? A whole new ballgame!

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 06:39 PM

^^

Banal 40', Hi-Cube containers. Wonder if they can be double-stacked, for that reason. Hate that BTW, worked three years on a railway electrification project in Mexico and heard a few years later the whole system had been torn down because of double-stacking height req'mts

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 06:58 PM

^^

Banal 40', Hi-Cube containers. Wonder if they can be double-stacked, for that reason. Hate that BTW, worked three years on a railway electrification project in Mexico and heard a few years later the whole system had been torn down because of double-stacking height req'mts

Reminds me of a story too. A friend of mine was helping manage a railway project in Africa, one that would automatically keep track of individual rail cars by using instruments to scan bar-code kind of identifiers on each one, as they passed by various stations, forks, etc. They hired a team of schoolkids to spend a Saturday painting the codes onto a long line of cars, using stencils, given to them in order, which they did, on both sides.

The system was a complete nightmare to figure out, nothing made sense in the computer system, cars started getting misdirected and lost from the get-go. It took a week to figure out that they had gone up one side of the train painting the cars, then down the other side painting the cars, but starting at '1' both times!

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:39 PM


San Francisco in August is going to be amazing.


Why?

Because of fog?


You remind me of someone who sit's behind your computer like some perv who play's "World of Warcraft" in their mom's basement at the age of 53.

Dog Ball out!

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 11:08 PM

Useless bit of trivia.
The inventry bar codes you see everywhere now were originaly developed to keep track of railroad cars, then morphed over to shipping containers.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 11:16 PM

These could have been cars just filled with coal and other raw matls that aren't container-izable, maybe even passenger cars, not exactly sure, it was maybe 3 years back so good chance it wasn't about containers.

Do any/many containers have ID chips on them now? Maybe there's even a way to track the ACWS circus?

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 11:23 PM

These could have been cars just filled with coal and other raw matls that aren't container-izable, maybe even passenger cars, not exactly sure, it was maybe 3 years back so good chance it wasn't about containers.

Do any/many containers have ID chips on them now? Maybe there's even a way to track the ACWS circus?



Yes, all of them

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:43 AM

That's weird. I thought the containers followed the teams and would be likewise painted - free advertising, right?

So all we have to go on is the red Puma merchandise container. . . Makes trainspotting very difficult indeed.

Say 5 or 6 days from Newport to Oakland. Wednesday of next week, or so?

If anyone can get a container number (consisting of 4 letters and 6 or 7 digits) we can probably track it on-line. :)

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 01:16 AM

Tracked down a Puma container number from a photo. Dead end with this:

Container 'caru2961113' is owned by leasing company. For tracking the container, do the following:

Click "via owner company site" link to open container details on leasing company site
Find lessee/customer name - this is transport/shipping company
Return to wheremy.com
Click [select company] to choose transport company from the list
Use "via shipping company site" link to track and trace

Got this from an Artimis container:

Container number 'rwtu4411453' is correct, but container owner company site does not support tracking by container number. Select transport company that ship the container to track and trace.

Anyone know who the shipper is?

http://wheremy.com/container-tracking/

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 01:39 AM

Try DHL? They do a lot of yachting business, may even be an official Supplier at AC.com

Amazing, nice job so far!

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 01:49 AM

edit, or maybe Hamburg Sud?
http://media.oracler...eleases/?id=462

PSP rings a bell too
http://www.psp-logistics.com/

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 02:49 AM

I've checked a number of shippers, but no luck. Someone here must know since there are too many to look at one-by-one.

RTWU is Royal Wolf Transport Australia
CARU is CARU Containers

But neither site has a way to track location by container number.

Another Puma container: CARU0120468

This is kind of fun.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 03:04 AM

There was one video of the unloading in Newport where a guy with a Brit accent spoke and is named, may have been on Turnto10.com - with his name we could probably 'track' him down and just ask what train, or logistics company? It was posted in the Newport thread.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 03:21 AM

Stuart Gentry, AC Shipping and Logistics Manager, but I'm not going to call him, even if I knew how.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 12:55 PM

edit, or maybe Hamburg Sud?
http://media.oracler...eleases/?id=462

PSP rings a bell too
http://www.psp-logistics.com/


Maybe...

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 12:57 PM

That's weird. I thought the containers followed the teams and would be likewise painted - free advertising, right?

So all we have to go on is the red Puma merchandise container. . . Makes trainspotting very difficult indeed.

Say 5 or 6 days from Newport to Oakland. Wednesday of next week, or so?

If anyone can get a container number (consisting of 4 letters and 6 or 7 digits) we can probably track it on-line. :)


Nope! ACRM mandated a uniform 'Elephant Grey' as the only acceptable colour for the 'Circus' containers.
You'll note that the new containers, making up the walls of the ETNZ LR and wing and platform tents, are also not signwritten.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 01:28 PM

Nope! ACRM mandated a uniform 'Elephant Grey' as the only acceptable colour for the 'Circus' containers.
You'll note that the new containers, making up the walls of the ETNZ LR and wing and platform tents, are also not signwritten.

What a bizarre thing to mandate. I thought ACRM was trying to help the teams secure sponsors, not risk loosing them through lack of exposure.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 01:30 PM

So I went looking and found that the 'grey rule' had not in fact been consistently followed.

Don't think you read the numbers off these, but just for fun....

(Surely the most obvious artefacts of the ACRM circus on a train - will be the Committee Boat, the camera cat, the 2 Louis Vuitton mark boats and all the other little coloured ducklings?)

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 02:34 PM

Here are a few that give container numbers.

It seems AC have some of their own series, ACUU...01, ACUU...02 etc - these seem to be the media suite.

I'll post a few photos, but mostly just links - as that saves hosting, attribution, etc.

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For more, click on the links below and then on the photo for the largest image....

http://photo.america...gf801p96n2.html

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http://photo.america...gf801p96n4.html

http://photo.america...gf671p96n8.html

http://photo.america...f671p96n10.html

http://photo.america...f567p96n57.html

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:17 PM

Yep, ACUU
http://www.bic-code....x.php?code=ACUU

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:31 PM


That's weird. I thought the containers followed the teams and would be likewise painted - free advertising, right?

So all we have to go on is the red Puma merchandise container. . . Makes trainspotting very difficult indeed.

Say 5 or 6 days from Newport to Oakland. Wednesday of next week, or so?

If anyone can get a container number (consisting of 4 letters and 6 or 7 digits) we can probably track it on-line. :)


Nope! ACRM mandated a uniform 'Elephant Grey' as the only acceptable colour for the 'Circus' containers.
You'll note that the new containers, making up the walls of the ETNZ LR and wing and platform tents, are also not signwritten.


Remember when team headgear had to have approved script size and team flag placement until Red Bull came along?
All of these nanny details are meant to be broken or modified as needed.
Don't get me started on stored energy. :)

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:52 PM

Many more container codes. Thanks! Still haven't found a way to track them.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:53 PM

...imagine if someone popped into the AC section for (almost) the first time and saw this -trainspotting- action :unsure:

....what'd they think of it?? :blink: :blink: :blink:

...is there a date for the SF event?..........oh,nevermind <_<

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:55 PM



That's weird. I thought the containers followed the teams and would be likewise painted - free advertising, right?

So all we have to go on is the red Puma merchandise container. . . Makes trainspotting very difficult indeed.

Say 5 or 6 days from Newport to Oakland. Wednesday of next week, or so?

If anyone can get a container number (consisting of 4 letters and 6 or 7 digits) we can probably track it on-line. :)


Nope! ACRM mandated a uniform 'Elephant Grey' as the only acceptable colour for the 'Circus' containers.
You'll note that the new containers, making up the walls of the ETNZ LR and wing and platform tents, are also not signwritten.


Remember when team headgear had to have approved script size and team flag placement until Red Bull came along?
All of these nanny details are meant to be broken or modified as needed.
Don't get me started on stored energy. :)


Most of that stuff is still in the protocol, the class rules etc though - perhaps they are just being nice and liberal with their 'approvals'?


Yep, ACUU
http://www.bic-code....x.php?code=ACUU


I've asked him - we'll see what happens now.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 06:03 PM

...imagine if someone popped into the AC section for (almost) the first time and saw this -trainspotting- action :unsure:

....what'd they think of it?? :blink: :blink: :blink:

...is there a date for the SF event?..........oh,nevermind <_<

Agreed, not very nautical although the cargo sure is.

We have a long tradition of having fun keeping track of all this - all good.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:32 PM

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 10:48 PM

So there is is - not much of a load as yet. Still containers to be loaded by the crane in the background. What are they going to do with the over-wide boats?

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 11:15 PM

Been wondering the same, first thing I looked for on the train and, as expected, they aren't there.

By ship would be my guess?

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 12:24 AM

More load-up photos, at AR
http://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=492725287420576&set=a.490392344320537.131748.119505771409198&type=3&_rdr#!/media/set/?set=a.490392344320537.131748.119505771409198&type=1&__user=100000934237720

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 01:33 AM

Some guy's opinion about 'Can it make a Splash?'
http://joefavorito.c...012/07/08/2826/

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 02:12 AM

An example of outreach in SF
http://instagram.com/p/MzB24LtSZL/

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 02:55 AM

Seriously, you must be kidding -

Their is virtually ~nothing~ going on here relative to all other ACWS venues.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 03:18 AM

There were some twitpics recently by people who saw banners and flags down in the financial district. Maybe it's narrow-focussed so far.

As you know by PM there are heavy rollers that even I know of, coming in from as far afield as Auckland and Sydney for the August event.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 03:40 AM

nice enough shot
http://t.co/dJ5utdTR

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 04:39 AM

There were some twitpics recently by people who saw banners and flags down in the financial district. Maybe it's narrow-focussed so far.

As you know by PM there are heavy rollers that even I know of, coming in from as far afield as Auckland and Sydney for the August event.


Narrow focused ? How about absolutely NO focus that I can see, and I live here.

I'm not talking about a handful of people that will be here regardless, or a few posters in the city. Give me a frigging break.

I'm talking about an entire city, the host city nonetheless, 6 1/2 weeks before the event, ~totally~ asleep at the switch from what I can tell.

Every other venue has embraced this event with highly proactive and visible campaigns, numerous press releases, fireworks, shows, specific redevelopment plans, events, committees and sub committees dedicated to sponsorship and promotion, all sorts of plans to make the most of the event.

Maybe we should be rejoicing because some special interest group concerned about plastic water bottles or swimming in the bay on a Saturday hasn't filed a law suit.

RC nailed it when he said something to the effect that we're glad to be here, but I'm not sure the city feels the same way.

Literally, just how arrogant/ignorant can a city be ??

Like I said, I hope they put the right foot forward, if they can find it. Looks like a real big ask at this point, and I see absolutely no indications anything of merit is in the works.

Sorry, but a 10x10 flea market canopy is not quite what I had in mind.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:01 AM

Narrow focused ? How about absolutely NO focus that I can see, and I live here.

I'm not talking about a handful of people that will be here regardless, or a few posters in the city. Give me a frigging break.


Yep, pretty low-key so far. On the other hand, it is a small city, so drumming up attendance could reasonably be expected to be a short term effort. Any out-of-town AC devotees are already well aware of the activity. On the gripping hand, low profile means less competition for prime viewing spots for us. . . ;)

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:13 AM

...imagine if someone popped into the AC section for (almost) the first time and saw this -trainspotting- action :unsure:

....what'd they think of it?? :blink: :blink:

...is there a date for the SF event?..........oh,nevermind <_<


They would correctly assume that some people have no lives :D

There is a very good chance that the train will arrive safely and on time without the assistance of the SA team tweakers .

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:24 AM


Narrow focused ? How about absolutely NO focus that I can see, and I live here.

I'm not talking about a handful of people that will be here regardless, or a few posters in the city. Give me a frigging break.


Yep, pretty low-key so far. On the other hand, it is a small city, so drumming up attendance could reasonably be expected to be a short term effort. Any out-of-town AC devotees are already well aware of the activity. On the gripping hand, low profile means less competition for prime viewing spots for us. . . ;)


Pretty low key ? That's a safe statement for sure.

Not sure I agree with the small city though - the SF Bay area population is over 7M people - no comparison to any of the other ACWS venues.

I'll gladly sacrifice prime viewing spots for a successful event.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:28 AM


...imagine if someone popped into the AC section for (almost) the first time and saw this -trainspotting- action :unsure:

....what'd they think of it?? :blink: :blink:

...is there a date for the SF event?..........oh,nevermind <_<


They would correctly assume that some people have no lives :D


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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:34 AM

...wow,,still here,eh :blink:
,,,ah well ,,I was pretty stuck in the VO.

....kinda staggering around,,like the race is done,,party's over,,
,,,,and I'm not -quite- sure what I'm doing next :(





...almost ;)



my big question is wether Stingrat will learn how t'post pictures by the time he reaches 7000 posts!?! :unsure:

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:47 AM



Narrow focused ? How about absolutely NO focus that I can see, and I live here.

I'm not talking about a handful of people that will be here regardless, or a few posters in the city. Give me a frigging break.


Yep, pretty low-key so far. On the other hand, it is a small city, so drumming up attendance could reasonably be expected to be a short term effort. Any out-of-town AC devotees are already well aware of the activity. On the gripping hand, low profile means less competition for prime viewing spots for us. . . ;)


Pretty low key ? That's a safe statement for sure.

Not sure I agree with the small city though - the SF Bay area population is over 7M people - no comparison to any of the other ACWS venues.

I'll gladly sacrifice prime viewing spots for a successful event.


Has any previous America's Cup been a "successful event" beyond the cognoscenti? As far as I can tell there was zero publicity of the transpac leaving last week. I'm only here because I look up sailing two years ago. There was no crowd around USA-17 yesterday. USA-71 lies ignored in the Oracle lagoon. However, not to worry. I'm sure that ACRM has future publicity well in hand.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:47 AM

Well it seems like your definitely couchsurfing after having a few if that's your concern.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:56 AM




Narrow focused ? How about absolutely NO focus that I can see, and I live here.

I'm not talking about a handful of people that will be here regardless, or a few posters in the city. Give me a frigging break.


Yep, pretty low-key so far. On the other hand, it is a small city, so drumming up attendance could reasonably be expected to be a short term effort. Any out-of-town AC devotees are already well aware of the activity. On the gripping hand, low profile means less competition for prime viewing spots for us. . . ;)


Pretty low key ? That's a safe statement for sure.

Not sure I agree with the small city though - the SF Bay area population is over 7M people - no comparison to any of the other ACWS venues.

I'll gladly sacrifice prime viewing spots for a successful event.


Has any previous America's Cup been a "successful event" beyond the cognoscenti? As far as I can tell there was zero publicity of the transpac leaving last week. I'm only here because I look up sailing two years ago. There was no crowd around USA-17 yesterday. USA-71 lies ignored in the Oracle lagoon. However, not to worry. I'm sure that ACRM has future publicity well in hand.

Most of the ACWS events have been proactively promoted and successful to varying degrees, despite the severe bias you might see here, as the series is still evolving and improving with each successive event, at least in my opinion.

I don't think you can compare the SHTP with the ACWS, and no crowd around USA17 locked up on pier 80 is not really an indication of anything.

But the city is certainly behind the 8 ball with respect to the promotional efforts put forth by other venues.



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Posted 08 July 2012 - 07:30 AM

Has any previous America's Cup been a "successful event" beyond the cognoscenti?


If you mean America's Cup then some have attracted major mainstream attention.

If you mean ACWS then you should write 100 lines so you remember. "The ACWS is not the AC".

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 10:15 AM

So if the containers can't be tracked - what about the carriages or the locomotive?

And can someone explain how it makes sense to send half the gear by rail and half by ship - if that's really what they are up to?

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 02:57 PM

So if the containers can't be tracked - what about the carriages or the locomotive?

And can someone explain how it makes sense to send half the gear by rail and half by ship - if that's really what they are up to?

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Since when does something this clown posse does need to make any sence ? The boxes will show up one way or another .

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 03:18 PM

So if the containers can't be tracked - what about the carriages or the locomotive?

And can someone explain how it makes sense to send half the gear by rail and half by ship - if that's really what they are up to?


Apparently the train can be tracked by the company/locomotive and some basic information. Try this, or this if you have the container number, or this.

I'd guess rail is cheaper and faster than by ship or truck for that matter. At least Warren Buffet thinks so.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 03:42 PM


So if the containers can't be tracked - what about the carriages or the locomotive?

And can someone explain how it makes sense to send half the gear by rail and half by ship - if that's really what they are up to?


Apparently the train can be tracked by the company/locomotive and some basic information. Try this, or this if you have the container number, or this.

I'd guess rail is cheaper and faster than by ship or truck for that matter. At least Warren Buffet thinks so.

Have not yet tried your links but here's some info on that GE Diesel locomotive
http://www.thediesel...us/Seaview.HTML

More pics from Quonset
http://photos.nerail...view%20Railroad

My guess is that this is a local railroad operating in just the Quonset area and Locomotive 1855 will take the train to a hub where a big company like CSX or Burlington will take over.

Getting as much stuff across by rail is ~much~ faster than by ship. They don't need the support boats to arrive as fast as the rest of the gear, to be able to start setting things up in SF.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 04:32 PM

http://www.easternra.../category/news/


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<p>DAVISVILLE, RI July 6, 2012 The Seaview Transportation Company and sister company ICG Logistics began the loading of a 100-car, almost 8,000ft container train at the railroad's Davisville, Rhode Island, base of operations in the Quonset Business Park.</p> <p><a href="http://www.easternra...sCup2.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-2738" title="Seaview intermodal train being loaded. " src="http://www.easternra...p2-266x300.jpg" alt="" width="266" height="300" /></a>The containers are part of the support structure for the America's Cup race teams, who gathered in Newport for the final stop of the 34th America's Cup World Series from June 23 July 1, 2012. The special unit train will depart Davisville no later than this weekend and travel over the Providence &amp; Worcester Railroad, New England Central Railroad, Canadian National Railway, and Union Pacific Railroad to its final destination at San Francisco's Pier 80. It is the first unit container train to originate on the Seaview.</p> <p>Planning for the special move began several months ago, when, in working with the Rhode Island Economic Development Corporation, ICG Logistics was selected to move the group of containers from the Port of Davisville, where they had arrived by ship, to Newport. Upon learning that the containers would be heading to the West Coast, ICG Logistics and the Seaview Railroad proposed to put together an all-rail alternative to cross-country trucking, a special move that would save time, transportation costs, logistics challenges, and be a "greener" way of moving the fleet. With help from interchange partner Providence &amp; Worcester Railroad, who provided invaluable assistance in the planning of the special train, the railroads involved were able to put together a plan and a competitive rate that the America's Cup logistics team accepted. The rail routing would include six different railroads and take the train through the heart of New England via the P&amp;W's Willimantic Gateway and the New England Central Railroad.</p> <p><a href="http://www.easternra...sCup1.jpg"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-2739" title="Americas Cup containers being loaded at Davisville. Photo courtesy of Seaview Transportation. " src="http://www.easternra...p1-198x300.jpg" alt="" width="198" height="300" /></a>On July 4th the P&amp;W delivered the first 15 empty intermodal cars to the Seaview, with the balance arriving Davisville via a special move on the afternoon of July 5th. Loading of the containers by personnel from New England Stevedor Services commenced using a specially outfitted crane and a large forklift at a transloading and lay-down area along the Seaview's mainline to the Port of Davisville. Seaview's SW-7 #5 and crews were on hand to move the train as the containers were loaded. To help speed the loading process a second operation within the port area itself began this morning. Once all of the containers have been secured Seaview crews will put the train together along the mainline to Davisville for its journey west to California.</p> <p>Seaview's President &amp; CEO, Eric Moffett said; "The America's Cup racing teams have long been associated with finding new and better ways to move their boats through the water faster in the pursuit of the Cup. Seaview Transportation and ICG Logistics are pleased to have been able to find a faster and better way to move their support group by land. Help from our partners the Rhode Island Economic Development Corporation, Quonset Development Corporation and the Providence &amp; Worcester Railroad was instrumental in making the idea of a special all-rail move a reality. The willingness of all the parties to work together to find new uses for our existing infrastructure will help to foster additional business at the port, create jobs, and grow the economy of Rhode Island and Southern New England."</p>

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:03 PM

Fwiw, a nice shot of Locomotive 1855

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Some history since 2006 here

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:01 PM

My guess is that this is a local railroad operating in just the Quonset area and Locomotive 1855 will take the train to a hub where a big company like CSX or Burlington will take over.


Exactly. CP and UP. The Seaview locomotive won't be leaving the local area. Both CP and UP require an account to track containers. Probably have to rely on bloggers to follow the cars. On the plus side, the article seems to indicate that they will be going direct to Pier 80 and the photos don't show anything double-stacked so the Caltrain tunnel clearances won't be an issue.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:11 PM


My guess is that this is a local railroad operating in just the Quonset area and Locomotive 1855 will take the train to a hub where a big company like CSX or Burlington will take over.


Exactly. CP and UP. The Seaview locomotive won't be leaving the local area. Both CP and UP require an account to track containers. Probably have to rely on bloggers to follow the cars. On the plus side, the article seems to indicate that they will be going direct to Pier 80 and the photos don't show anything double-stacked so the Caltrain tunnel clearances won't be an issue.


"The special unit train will depart Davisville no later than this weekend and travel over the Providence, Worcester Railroad, New England Central Railroad, Canadian National Railway, and Union Pacific Railroad to its final destination at San Francisco's Pier 80"

Will the journey be north to Canada, across to the Pacific, then south along the coast to San Francisco? If so then the train could pass very close by my place.

Interesting too above, "ICG Logistics and the Seaview Railroad proposed to put together an all-rail alternative to cross-country trucking" That would have been a lot of trucks!

And on "almost 8,000ft container train" - would that end up as part of an even longer train?

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:48 PM

An 8,000 ft. consist would probably not have many non-AC cars attached. I would expect it to be a dedicated purpose movement. I frequently see, for example, trainsets that are entirely composed of passenger car carriers. As far as the interchange point between CN and UP, I would guess Chicago. However, I'm not an expert in rail routing and scheduling.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 06:57 PM

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This by DC, besides it being fairly rare to see him on video these days, is a fun listen. (here's as good as anywhere, he does talk about SF briefly)

Notable: Were it his choice he would probably run the next AC in 90' mono's, 20 crew, lower tech in wind prediction etc, and with strong nationality rules.








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