195 replies to this topic

[popo]

Puma behind g4 tele behind puma
And camper front of g4
Amazing to watch it live from the inboard cams !

[richie]

...it does not look good for Puma,hope that they can still pull the rabbit out....oopps,did I said "R" word

BTW,Puma is registered in Malta(??) reg AIS....

i was wondering about that too

Heard Malta's the cheapest way of taxing a boat into Europe. Tax percentage is decided by the country, but once taxed the boat goes for all of the European Union

...it is a taxing thing,but in the race like this:P...technically speaking,they should display the Maltese flag of the back of the boatB)....

[dumper]

Puma behind g4 tele behind puma
And camper front of g4
Amazing to watch it live from the inboard cams !

what cams?

[richie]

...damn Puma...I waked up 4am(my time) just to see them dropped to third...

[popo]

Puma behind g4 tele behind puma
And camper front of g4
Amazing to watch it live from the inboard cams !

what cams?

G4 cam

[Kaptainkriz]

Linky?

Puma behind g4 tele behind puma
And camper front of g4
Amazing to watch it live from the inboard cams !

what cams?

G4 cam

[harzak]

Puma behind g4 tele behind puma
And camper front of g4
Amazing to watch it live from the inboard cams !

what cams?

G4 cam

What? Where? Link please!

[popo]

puma is sneaking under G4 actualy (from G4 cams)

[ctutmark]

http://new.livestrea...ooceanrace/Leg9

scroll down

[bruno]

Header favored the early gybe, tough for the outside pair.

[richie]

7 miles to go...and the wind is dropping......still not over yet...

[dumper]

http://new.livestrea...ooceanrace/Leg9 live interveiws

[popo]

http://www.cammas-gr...e_en_direct.jsp

camper finaly wining it !

[edelweis]

3 nm

[dumper]

3mn left with camper still in lead

[Beachcomber]

What happened to Telefonica? They dropped back far enough, it looks like they had some type of breakdown...

[Left Hook]

So if Camper scores 10 more points than Puma in this leg does it then become mathematically impossible for Puma to finish second overall? The best puma can do would be to put 5 points on them in the In-Port and that would still leave them 1 point from even being tied. Which means all Camper has to do to secure second is to start the in-port race.

And if Tele only winds up scoring 15 points this then they'll end up 11 points behind Puma - which can't be improved on during the in-port race.

Which means that if the boats finish in the order they're in now the final result will be

Groupama
Camper
Puma
Telefonica
Abu Hamble
Sanya

Right?

[DtM]

...it does not look good for Puma,hope that they can still pull the rabbit out....oopps,did I said "R" word

BTW,Puma is registered in Malta(??) reg AIS....

i was wondering about that too

Heard Malta's the cheapest way of taxing a boat into Europe. Tax percentage is decided by the country, but once taxed the boat goes for all of the European Union

...it is a taxing thing,but in the race like this:P...technically speaking,they should display the Maltese flag of the back of the boatB)....

But not while they are racing. In the dock, yes.

However I bet they don't fly the Irish flag in the dock either.

[couchsurfer]

So if Camper scores 10 more points than Puma in this leg does it then become mathematically impossible for Puma to finish second overall? The best puma can do would be to put 5 points on them in the In-Port and that would still leave them 1 point from even being tied. Which means all Camper has to do to secure second is to start the in-port race.

And if Tele only winds up scoring 15 points this then they'll end up 11 points behind Puma - which can't be improved on during the in-port race.

Which means that if the boats finish in the order they're in now the final result will be

Groupama
Camper
Puma
Telefonica
Abu Hamble
Sanya

Right?

...no reason for an in-port ........
Groupama....250
Camper.....226
Puma...........220
Telefonica......209
Abu Hamble
Sanya

[richie]

What happened to Telefonica? They dropped back far enough, it looks like they had some type of breakdown...

Problem with the GPS tracker...they are still there in fourth...

[CKDexterHaven]

So how does a 30 hr sprint count the same in the standings a 2000 mile ocean crossing?

[dumper]

1MN!!!! GO CAMPER YOUVE GOT THIS!!!!!

[dumper]

THEY WIIIIN!!! YAAY

[richie]

http://www.cammas-gr...e_en_direct.jsp

camper finaly wining it !

It's great to see them life like that...but the crew of Camper must deal with that spotlight in their eyes...well,looks like they got it ...early Congrats !!!...good move at the gibe !!!

[richie]

Well.....Congratulations to Camper !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jono]

Won by 6 min approx. Nice work guys!

[couchsurfer]

http://www.cammas-gr...e_en_direct.jsp

camper finaly wining it !

It's great to see them life like that...but the crew of Camper must deal with that spotlight in their eyes...well,looks like they got it ...early Congrats !!!...good move at the gibe !!!

...yeh,,what a gift from Pooma,,darn!

[popo]

aren't G4 amazing ?
started last from Lorient, going for second even if they just needed to be 4th (or even 5th without Puma winning) for this leg.
Started last previous leg and winning it.
Mind blowing how competitors those guys are when it counts !

[couchsurfer]

aren't G4 amazing ?
started last from Lorient, going for second even if they just needed to be 4th (or even 5th without Puma winning) for this leg.
Started last previous leg and winning it.
Mind blowing how competitors those guys are when it counts !

...definitely a class act!

[richie]

CONGRATS TO G4 FOR WINNING IT ALLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[popo]

VOLVO OCEAN RACE 2012 WON BY GROUPAMA !
You rock guys !

[richie]

....and what happened to the live commentary ??

[couchsurfer]

...time for a Volvo-anonymous meeting???

[richie]

OHHH PUMA....CONGRATS FOR THE THIRD (!) PLACE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[boomer]

Congrats to Camper and crew for the final leg win & congrats to all the boats and crews for an interesting race overall.

[tama_manu]

So if Camper scores 10 more points than Puma in this leg does it then become mathematically impossible for Puma to finish second overall?

...no reason for an in-port ........
Groupama....250
Camper.....226
Puma...........220
Telefonica......209
Abu Hamble
Sanya

As I write, the VOR web site has the score exactly as above, but Tele still has 11 nm left to sail to score their 15 points. The in-port will be like the last leg of the Tour de France, where the result is not at issue, but the riders take a victory lap. Perhaps even the VOR sailors can sail for the joy of sailing (and get more exposure for their sponsors)? That should cut down on the protests and fouls, and just let those fast VOR 70s go.

[bruno]

Good racing, good job by the francophones, glad to see the kiwiphones go out in a blaze of glory.

[couchsurfer]

So if Camper scores 10 more points than Puma in this leg does it then become mathematically impossible for Puma to finish second overall?

...no reason for an in-port ........
Groupama....250
Camper.....226
Puma...........220
Telefonica......209
Abu Hamble
Sanya

As I write, the VOR web site has the score exactly as above, but Tele still has 11 nm left to sail to score their 15 points. The in-port will be like the last leg of the Tour de France, where the result is not at issue, but the riders take a victory lap. Perhaps even the VOR sailors can sail for the joy of sailing (and get more exposure for their sponsors)? That should cut down on the protests and fouls, and just let those fast VOR 70s go.

..totally agree,,but was rooting for Groupama staying outside of the other 3 -just- so there'd be 3 boats within 5 points for the inport

[punter]

Still all to play for in the in-port series:

Camper/Puma - 39
Groupama - 38
Abu Dhabi - 35
Telefonica - 23
Sanya - 15

[popo]

isn't there still a thrill for the inport races challenge ?

[popo]

oops, sory punter !

[richie]

+if Camper DNF's the inport and Puma wins,than they may still get the 2nd overall ??!!

[richie]

Camper is docking...LETS PARRRTTTYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[riggert]

was told a DNF still gets one point

[Indio]

VOR2012 has been thoroughly enjoyable, with generous contributions from some very knowledgeable Anarchistas - certainly waaaaay more enjoyable than that non-entity WSL45 circus. Thanks a million to everyone for making this memorable - let's do it again in 2014.

[popo]

quick summary of this VOR
Cammas is just flying over anybody else.
Kenny Read have to be the most disapointed, never able to nail it when it has to be done
Telefonica showed how fast it is from top to bottom when shit is starting to fly

[couchsurfer]

Iker/Zabi off to olympics next

[Mambo Kings]

Kenny's got to be gutted.

Damn hard for that team after the recovery from leg one.

Closest Volvo/Whitbread of all time. Winner at the half way mark ends up 4th.
At the end of the day, the best team won.

[onimod]

My suspicion is that something went terribly wrong inside the Tele camp.
I know there is a view that Iker will be back but I'm not so sure he'll be offered the skippers job again unless whatever has happened behind the scenes has been out of his control and someone else steps up to take the fall.
I wish him luck in the Olympics and I hope there is some decent coverage so we can gauge his character after this debacle.

[couchsurfer]

My suspicion is that something went terribly wrong inside the Tele camp.
I know there is a view that Iker will be back but I'm not so sure he'll be offered the skippers job again unless whatever has happened behind the scenes has been out of his control and someone else steps up to take the fall.
I wish him luck in the Olympics and I hope there is some decent coverage so we can gauge his character after this debacle.

Telefonica watch captain Neal McDonald (has declared this would be his last around the world race) "I’m disappointed, but I’m proud to be a part of a team who has fought hard, we fought hard to the last minute, that’s really all I can say.''
...not much reading between the lines required

[onimod]

Capey, Iker and Xabi look chummy enough on stage for the presentation.
I wonder if Telefonica pulled the rug out from underneath them at some point.
While they started extremely well they just didn't seem to develop the boat whereas the teams in front of them did.
There is no doubt that the tactical inshore stuff-ups cost them plenty. I'm surprised they didn't swap someone in to fix the technical issues or at least provide a respected viewpoint to calm the troops if that was the issue.
I've seen a back room deal alluded to whereby Tele took more than the publicly announced penalties for the extra sail and AIS issues. I hope that's not the case but it does make some sense (and like most conspiracies is completely unsupported).

[onimod]

Will Oxley refers to his boat as "Clifford"
http://new.livestrea.../videos/1788481

[Amati]

Groupama

[Sol Rosenberg]

Nice job Puma. Way to hang in there and keep fighting after the bad luck to begin the race. Look on the bright side: your sponsor can still afford to buy you guys a beer. Enjoy it; you more than earned it.

[MSafiri]

G4 - damned well done!!!

I think it is time to change the music of G4 from Highway to Hell to this one

It s a Long Way to the Top

Congrats to all!

MSafiri

[Cyrille Hydrogene]

I'm so glad for Cammas and the Groupama guys! Well done everyone!


Last year, I really wondered if they could win the VOR on their first attempt. After all, there have no previous race winner onboard.
And their catastrophic strategic option on leg 1 left me very worried...

[harzak]

Wow, Groupama!!! I'm completely impressed! Comgratulations and thanks for winning the most competitive Volvo Ocean Race ever!

Theoretically, if Camper DSQ, Puma might take second overall if they win the in-port

Anyway, there's still victory in the in-port only series to fight for. Where's that in-port series scoreboard at?

[Carboninit]

Well done to all at Groupama. Excellent job done.

[harzak]

The scoreboard for the in-port series is

Camper 39
Puma 39
Groupama 38
Abu Dhabi 35
Telefonica 23
Sanya 15

It is purely theoretical that Abu Dhabi could win the in-port series now. They'd have to win the last in-port, with Telefonica/Sanya taking second/third, Groupama exactly forth, and Camper/Puma taking fifth/sixth

Edit: Presuming highest score in last race is the tie-breaker.

[umpire]

The scoreboard for the in-port series is

Camper 39
Puma 39
Groupama 38
Abu Dhabi 35
Telefonica 23
Sanya 15

It is purely theoretical that Abu Dhabi could win the in-port series now. They'd have to win the last in-port, with Telefonica/Sanya taking second/third, Groupama exactly forth, and Camper/Puma taking fifth/sixth

Edit: Presuming highest score in last race is the tie-breaker.

Money on G4 doing the double, they've got nothing to lose after winnning the 'big show'!

[matttnz]

Good day to be a kiwi.Camper (finally) won a leg & Sanya not last! Well done to Groupama
So who'd have picked back in Capetown/Mali that Telefonica might struggle to make the podium overall & Puma would realistically beat them?FWIW from a non sailer this was a ruddy good event to follow these past few months, hope the new OD65 generates a similar environment. Close enough to be interesting but not so much it feels like a lottery.
Thanks for the past few months SA

[umpire]

Thanks for the past few months SA

Agree, but what do we do after In-port race??

[Ballast Technician]

Classy comment by KR: "I give the Camper guys and Groupama guys all the credit in the world. They should be very proud of themselves. And this is not bittersweet, this is time for us to say 'nice job' to the people who kicked our butts - and they did."

[harzak]

I'd just like to draw attention to this post by Expedition from the Leg 4 thread.

One thing I have realised is that the French are showing signs of learning about ocean racing as the race goes on in a way that we haven't seen from the others. I suppose coming into the Volvo is a step up from the other events around the world, but they are learning and it shows.

The rest of the race might be interesting if this is in fact the case.

(Link to the post)

[schakel]

Cool vid of Groupama past Fastnet rock.
http://new.livestrea.../videos/1779388

[Ballast Technician]

Cool vid of Groupama past Fastnet rock.
http://new.livestrea.../videos/1779388

The guys do not seem to impressed with the sight of the rock. Then again they have seen it before - less than a year ago, actually...

[cortosam]

I'd just like to draw attention to this post by Expedition from the Leg 4 thread.

One thing I have realised is that the French are showing signs of learning about ocean racing as the race goes on in a way that we haven't seen from the others. I suppose coming into the Volvo is a step up from the other events around the world, but they are learning and it shows.

The rest of the race might be interesting if this is in fact the case.

(Link to the post)

i'd rather think that other crews had more to learn from the french team, than the opposite, Puma and the others learn more about meteo strategies in one volvo than in one hundred year of sailing...
volvo is a different race but talking about step up is a bit unfair for the vendee globe, trophee jules verne...

[Clovis]

Thanks for the past few months SA

Agree, but what do we do after In-port race??

There is still the Solitaire du Figaro but it will look a bit mild now...
Thank you Groupama and all other teams for the great entertainment, and thank you SAers for bringing knowledge and/or random thoughts!

C.

[moody frog]

Cool vid of Groupama past Fastnet rock.
http://new.livestrea.../videos/1779388

The guys do not seem to impressed with the sight of the rock. Then again they have seen it before - less than a year ago, actually...

+ the Fastnet Race has been a natural experience for any young French (or UK) aspiring racer.
The minis have their own yearly! Fastnet race from and back to Brittany;
The rock is also a very regular mark in the Figaro Solitaire (as is Galway bay and its entrance by the way !)

[Pierre S]

Congratulations to Groupama on their win, to Camper for winning this Leg, and to Puma for being such a class act. It has been very good entertainment for several months now, and I don't feel the small number of competitors was such a huge issue: the racing has been very competitive between the top 4.

I didn't think G4 could do it first time round. I disagree with Expedition in so far as there was an enormous amount of ocean racing experience on G4 from the start (guys like Cammas and Coville are not new at this; Cammas has won everything he has touched, more or less, Coville has been round Cape Horn more times than most people in the race), but not much experience of the peculiarities of running a competitive VOR program. To their credit, they learned more quickly that some others from their mistakes, and they had a good boat to work with. Groupama's presence definitely made the race more competitive. I hope Groupama as a sponsor will feel they have generated enough good PR to continue supporting Cammas in whatever his next venture turns out to be.

Thanks also to all Anarchists for the knowledgeable and opinionated commentary!

[victor t]

(as is Galway bay and its entrance by the way !)

isn't it rather dingle?

[MSafiri]

Classy comment by KR: "I give the Camper guys and Groupama guys all the credit in the world. They should be very proud of themselves. And this is not bittersweet, this is time for us to say 'nice job' to the people who kicked our butts - and they did."

Although Iam a Groupama fan! I think the coolest guy in the fleet was KR! always fun to watch his videos and interviews, he made the whole race look like a big, 9 months long party, doing what he loves to do.
.
Well, G4 won, and they did an awesome job, but ............. if they have a full french boat, they would not finish as 1st probably the other nationals were used as buffer between the different french egos............saying that after living and working in France since a while and enjoying it with all its craziness.

MSafiri

[Panoramix]

Classy comment by KR: "I give the Camper guys and Groupama guys all the credit in the world. They should be very proud of themselves. And this is not bittersweet, this is time for us to say 'nice job' to the people who kicked our butts - and they did."

Although Iam a Groupama fan! I think the coolest guy in the fleet was KR! always fun to watch his videos and interviews, he made the whole race look like a big, 9 months long party, doing what he loves to do.
.
Well, G4 won, and they did an awesome job, but ............. if they have a full french boat, they would not finish as 1st probably the other nationals were used as buffer between the different french egos............saying that after living and working in France since a while and enjoying it with all its craziness.

MSafiri

You are probably right, too much French passion can lead to self destruction!

[Panoramix]

I'd just like to draw attention to this post by Expedition from the Leg 4 thread.

One thing I have realised is that the French are showing signs of learning about ocean racing as the race goes on in a way that we haven't seen from the others. I suppose coming into the Volvo is a step up from the other events around the world, but they are learning and it shows.

The rest of the race might be interesting if this is in fact the case.

(Link to the post)

i'd rather think that other crews had more to learn from the french team, than the opposite, Puma and the others learn more about meteo strategies in one volvo than in one hundred year of sailing...
volvo is a different race but talking about step up is a bit unfair for the vendee globe, trophee jules verne...

The VOR is a completely different exercise though with a more international background. They know a lot about boats and weather aboard Groupama but French boats are very different from VO70. The righting moment must be terrific, these are brutal boats whereas IMOCA and maxi multi are not so powerful and get their speed from the lightness. I am always amazed to see VO70 powering through waves, this must be scary and very tiring on deck and I am sure that the boats need to be sailed very differently. For instance can you evacuate power by bearing away? I am not so sure, you probably run the risk of transforming the boat into a submarine. I suppose this is partly cultural but often boats who have tendency to behave like "a submarine" tend to come from nordic and commonwealth countries and for a Frenchman it is a bit counterintuitive. And then this must influence the strategy and the tactics, I suspect that on leg 1 part of the problem was that they overestimated the benefit of radical options on a VO70 compared to a multi.

Btw, it would be interesting to compare the righting moment max of say Groupama 4 vs BP5. Has anybody got the data?

Finally lighter boats cut costs (loads are reduced), if KF had launched a fair design competition, I suspect that the winning one would have been lighter than what they have got now.

[couchsurfer]

I'd just like to draw attention to this post by Expedition from the Leg 4 thread.

One thing I have realised is that the French are showing signs of learning about ocean racing as the race goes on in a way that we haven't seen from the others. I suppose coming into the Volvo is a step up from the other events around the world, but they are learning and it shows.

The rest of the race might be interesting if this is in fact the case.

(Link to the post)

i'd rather think that other crews had more to learn from the french team, than the opposite, Puma and the others learn more about meteo strategies in one volvo than in one hundred year of sailing...
volvo is a different race but talking about step up is a bit unfair for the vendee globe, trophee jules verne...

...maybe more appropriate to say it's a step -sideways- from other RTW's where volvo's route is somewhat 'different'

...I would SURELY love to see these teams and boats do a proper RTW race!!

[onimod]

Classy comment by KR: "I give the Camper guys and Groupama guys all the credit in the world. They should be very proud of themselves. And this is not bittersweet, this is time for us to say 'nice job' to the people who kicked our butts - and they did."

Although Iam a Groupama fan! I think the coolest guy in the fleet was KR! always fun to watch his videos and interviews, he made the whole race look like a big, 9 months long party, doing what he loves to do.
.
Well, G4 won, and they did an awesome job, but ............. if they have a full french boat, they would not finish as 1st probably the other nationals were used as buffer between the different french egos............saying that after living and working in France since a while and enjoying it with all its craziness.

MSafiri

You are probably right, too much French passion can lead to self destruction!

In some ways Franck isn't so "French" and he seems to command enough respect but I don't doubt the level of ambition that was on board.
That squad could be split into the core of two or three competitive teams from what I can see.
I think it just depends on how the mono vs multi experience was really received and their financial connections.

[couchsurfer]

Classy comment by KR: "I give the Camper guys and Groupama guys all the credit in the world. They should be very proud of themselves. And this is not bittersweet, this is time for us to say 'nice job' to the people who kicked our butts - and they did."

Although Iam a Groupama fan! I think the coolest guy in the fleet was KR! always fun to watch his videos and interviews, he made the whole race look like a big, 9 months long party, doing what he loves to do.
.
Well, G4 won, and they did an awesome job, but ............. if they have a full french boat, they would not finish as 1st probably the other nationals were used as buffer between the different french egos............saying that after living and working in France since a while and enjoying it with all its craziness.

MSafiri

KR's definitely a good friend with SA,,,fun when someone of his stature associates here!


......looking forward to th'day J.K. does th'same!!
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,c'mon Juan,,,nothing to lose,,drop us a line!!!

[Lexpat]

Classy comment by KR: "I give the Camper guys and Groupama guys all the credit in the world. They should be very proud of themselves. And this is not bittersweet, this is time for us to say 'nice job' to the people who kicked our butts - and they did."

Although Iam a Groupama fan! I think the coolest guy in the fleet was KR! always fun to watch his videos and interviews, he made the whole race look like a big, 9 months long party, doing what he loves to do.
.
Well, G4 won, and they did an awesome job, but ............. if they have a full french boat, they would not finish as 1st probably the other nationals were used as buffer between the different french egos............saying that after living and working in France since a while and enjoying it with all its craziness.

MSafiri

You are probably right, too much French passion can lead to self destruction!

In some ways Franck isn't so "French" and he seems to command enough respect but I don't doubt the level of ambition that was on board.
That squad could be split into the core of two or three competitive teams from what I can see.

I think it just depends on how the mono vs multi experience was really received and their financial connections.

What a bunch of crap about French this French that .., maybe in soccer , but I think the French sailors have nothing to be be ashamed of ,on the contrary , they are a the top and they stay very humble .

[couchsurfer]

Classy comment by KR: "I give the Camper guys and Groupama guys all the credit in the world. They should be very proud of themselves. And this is not bittersweet, this is time for us to say 'nice job' to the people who kicked our butts - and they did."

Although Iam a Groupama fan! I think the coolest guy in the fleet was KR! always fun to watch his videos and interviews, he made the whole race look like a big, 9 months long party, doing what he loves to do.
.
Well, G4 won, and they did an awesome job, but ............. if they have a full french boat, they would not finish as 1st probably the other nationals were used as buffer between the different french egos............saying that after living and working in France since a while and enjoying it with all its craziness.

MSafiri

You are probably right, too much French passion can lead to self destruction!

In some ways Franck isn't so "French" and he seems to command enough respect but I don't doubt the level of ambition that was on board.
That squad could be split into the core of two or three competitive teams from what I can see.

I think it just depends on how the mono vs multi experience was really received and their financial connections.

What a bunch of crap about French this French that .., maybe in soccer , but I think the French sailors have nothing to be be ashamed of ,on the contrary , they are a the top and they stay very humble .

...between the effort of the BP Trimaran,,then the VO,,,seems t'say the french are on a roll,no?.......maybe we'll see the french do a 'casual' entry in the AC?!

....after all,,the french seem very good at pulling off that 'attitude désinvolte',while screeeeeeming along at breakneck speeds,,,and multi's are kinda their 'thing' too

...maybe this is just the start in looking up french translations rather than aussie/kiwi ones

[MSafiri]

Classy comment by KR: "I give the Camper guys and Groupama guys all the credit in the world. They should be very proud of themselves. And this is not bittersweet, this is time for us to say 'nice job' to the people who kicked our butts - and they did."

Although Iam a Groupama fan! I think the coolest guy in the fleet was KR! always fun to watch his videos and interviews, he made the whole race look like a big, 9 months long party, doing what he loves to do.
.
Well, G4 won, and they did an awesome job, but ............. if they have a full french boat, they would not finish as 1st probably the other nationals were used as buffer between the different french egos............saying that after living and working in France since a while and enjoying it with all its craziness.

MSafiri

You are probably right, too much French passion can lead to self destruction!

In some ways Franck isn't so "French" and he seems to command enough respect but I don't doubt the level of ambition that was on board.
That squad could be split into the core of two or three competitive teams from what I can see.

I think it just depends on how the mono vs multi experience was really received and their financial connections.

What a bunch of crap about French this French that .., maybe in soccer , but I think the French sailors have nothing to be be ashamed of ,on the contrary , they are a the top and they stay very humble .

Guess you misread my original comment! I have nothing else but respect to those guys, all of them. My lines supposed to be a bit sarcastic regarding the way French behave....in general. Also said, living here since a while, and i like it

[Lexpat]

[/quote]. MSafiri

Guess you misread my original comment! I have nothing else but respect to those guys, all of them. My lines supposed to be a bit sarcastic regarding the way French behave....in general. Also said, living here since a while, and i like it
[/quote]


Ok cool, my comment was for the crowd in general.
Also I' m living in MD and been without power for 4 days due to the storm ( went to the boat for the weekend ,but still pissed off ), so I was a little short , sorry , I know you are a good poster .

[Panoramix]

Although Iam a Groupama fan! I think the coolest guy in the fleet was KR! always fun to watch his videos and interviews, he made the whole race look like a big, 9 months long party, doing what he loves to do.
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Well, G4 won, and they did an awesome job, but ............. if they have a full french boat, they would not finish as 1st probably the other nationals were used as buffer between the different french egos............saying that after living and working in France since a while and enjoying it with all its craziness.

MSafiri

You are probably right, too much French passion can lead to self destruction!

In some ways Franck isn't so "French" and he seems to command enough respect but I don't doubt the level of ambition that was on board.
That squad could be split into the core of two or three competitive teams from what I can see.

I think it just depends on how the mono vs multi experience was really received and their financial connections.

What a bunch of crap about French this French that .., maybe in soccer , but I think the French sailors have nothing to be be ashamed of ,on the contrary , they are a the top and they stay very humble .

Guess you misread my original comment! I have nothing else but respect to those guys, all of them. My lines supposed to be a bit sarcastic regarding the way French behave....in general. Also said, living here since a while, and i like it

No worries, I am French and read your comment the tongue in cheek way, we like to be seen as passionate people anyway. Paris has a reputation for attracting big egos though (on average) and humility tend to be more valued in Brittany. Well that's what people say but I've never lived in Paris so it is probably better if you try to make up your mind on your own!

[A Florida Redneck]

...maybe this is just the start in looking up french translations rather than aussie/kiwi ones

HaHa! Good One!
French are easier to understand!
Big Edit:
Great posts! We all know that many stereotypes have some basis in fact, but in the end they are all gross generalizations. Americans are the most frequent target of same (are you listening TK??). Just goes to show Franck and Kenny can prove them all wrong.
Really.....we're talking about millions of people here.....
Does make good copy though and damn funny!
What would we do without them?
Would be a very boring world!

[Across the Pond]

Fantastic performance by Groupama and a special mention must go to Killian Bushe, who was their build consultant during the construction of Groupama 4. That's the fourth straight winner of the race he has built / been involved with whilst Groupama 4 was his eight Volvo / Whitbread boat. That's some CV!

[couchsurfer]

Fantastic performance by Groupama and a special mention must go to Killian Bushe, who was their build consultant during the construction of Groupama 4. That's the fourth straight winner of the race he has built / been involved with whilst Groupama 4 was his eight Volvo / Whitbread boat. That's some CV!

..it'll be intersting to watch which 'one-design' effort he's a pert of

[umpire]

One race Franck Cammas didn't win!!

http://youtu.be/geYwkNxfV4I

[umpire]

Vsail continues the interview with Juan K

http://www.vsail.inf...n-race-part-ii/

[IBro]

"For the first time, the boat which took the least time to complete the round the world regatta, "Telefónica" finished in fourth place, in a competition based on points and not on time taken to complete the course."


from http://www.teamtelef...EGATTA%E2%80%9D.

No need for calculation to know that the above statement is true, but I wanted to check how much time boats that completed all legs needed for the whole race. I'm missing the data for Leg2 so if someone can find that I would be greatfull. I'm not sure if Leg3 data I have is for the complete leg or just the second part. (I took times from the tracker, thats the only place I could find something)


----------- Camper --------- Groupama ---------- Telefonica
Leg1 | 21d 21h 48m 04s | 24d 04h 28m 31s | 21d 05h 14m 25s
Leg2 | | |
Leg3 | 20d 21h 28m 24s | 20d 19h 45m 25s | 20d 17h 58m 22s
Leg4 | 20d 04h 46m 55s | 19d 15h 35m 54s | 20d 04h 45m 22s
Leg5 | 30d 11h 35m 43s | 23d 12h 58m 44s | 19d 18h 22m 28s
Leg6 | 17d 02h 21m 24s | 17d 07h 29m 03s | 17d 08h 06m 38s
Leg7 | 11d 08h 30m 08s | 11d 04h 29m 20s | 11d 08h 28m 26s
Leg8 | 5d 00h 30m 09s | 4d 23h 31m 02s | 5d 08h 40min 26s
Leg9 | 1d 13h 40m 13s | 1d 13h 47m 11s | 1d 13h 57m 33s

[Laurent]

Interesting interview of Thierry Peponnet, a former French 470 Olympic champion and Groupama Sailing team coach for InShore races. You can find it on www.courseaularge.com

Here is a translation.

Groupama Inshore coach, Thierry Péponnet, analyses the victory of Franck Cammas and his men. The former Olympic Champion, expert in match-race and short races shares his clear view on the French team.

Thierry Péponnet : « Our strength has been to work very early to improve on our weaknesses. We grabbed the bull by the horns right from Alicante, instead of saying, like other teams, "oh well, we have a dog of boat, it's over...". And it worked. At the beginning, we were way behind in light air conditions, and today, we are hard to beat in light airs, that are not our favorable conditions. »

Olympic Champion in 470 and well known coach, he has joined the team of Franck Cammas more than one year ago. He describes a team that works by "constant questioning and an unchallenged leader". He talks about a "Franck who pulls everybody upwards, in all areas of this 60 people enterprise". There has been a lot of talks of issues between the seven French crews and the 4 foreigners on board. Péponnet denies. « The problem, it was not the French against the "English". For me, the biggest challenge has been the speed at which Franck took over the boat, and therefore removing some initiatives from the crew. It was the hardest part to live for the crew. Franck brought in guys with a lot of experience, but since he has his own expertise, little by little, he took more and more initiatives; the crew felt a loss of trust. »

That's when the technical role of the InShore coach became more complex. And the subtle view of Peponnet "from the outside", has been useful. « At some point, you have to tell the guys that they have to forget their own ego. It is disturbing, but Franck does it only to be more efficient on the water. It is the proof of a great professional sailor. He is an out of this world guy, and he is hard to follow. However, it is what one expects from a leader: show the way, a method of work.» And then, of course, the coach in Peponnet comes back... « There is a little challenge next Saturday: win the overall InShore ranking»

[riggert]

"For the first time, the boat which took the least time to complete the round the world regatta, "Telefónica" finished in fourth place, in a competition based on points and not on time taken to complete the course."


from http://www.teamtelef...EGATTA%E2%80%9D.

No need for calculation to know that the above statement is true, but I wanted to check how much time boats that completed all legs needed for the whole race. I'm missing the data for Leg2 so if someone can find that I would be greatfull. I'm not sure if Leg3 data I have is for the complete leg or just the second part. (I took times from the tracker, thats the only place I could find something)


----------- Camper --------- Groupama ---------- Telefonica
Leg1 | 21d 21h 48m 04s | 24d 04h 28m 31s | 21d 05h 14m 25s
Leg2 | | |
Leg3 | 20d 21h 28m 24s | 20d 19h 45m 25s | 20d 17h 58m 22s
Leg4 | 20d 04h 46m 55s | 19d 15h 35m 54s | 20d 04h 45m 22s
Leg5 | 30d 11h 35m 43s | 23d 12h 58m 44s | 19d 18h 22m 28s
Leg6 | 17d 02h 21m 24s | 17d 07h 29m 03s | 17d 08h 06m 38s
Leg7 | 11d 08h 30m 08s | 11d 04h 29m 20s | 11d 08h 28m 26s
Leg8 | 5d 00h 30m 09s | 4d 23h 31m 02s | 5d 08h 40min 26s
Leg9 | 1d 13h 40m 13s | 1d 13h 47m 11s | 1d 13h 57m 33s

Telefonica : 125d 09h 16m 27s
Groupama: 130d 15h 34m 47s
Camper: 136d 09h 12m 50s

goto: http://www.volvoocea...eg-2_page1.html you can click on the down arrow next to select to "select" to get other leg results

[gybe-ho!]

Thanks for the past few months SA

Agree, but what do we do after In-port race??

Back to daytime drinking!

[MSafiri]

Thanks for the past few months SA

Agree, but what do we do after In-port race??

Back to daytime drinking!

Take a long holiday, another thing in which the French excel
Start collecting all kinda BS to be ready to release when.....................
the Vendee Globe starts! in November

[mad]

Thanks for the past few months SA

Agree, but what do we do after In-port race??

This place being what it is, I'm sure we'll find something to bitch about soon.

[IBro]

.........

Telefonica : 125d 09h 16m 27s
Groupama: 130d 15h 34m 47s
Camper: 136d 09h 12m 50s

goto: http://www.volvoocea...eg-2_page1.html you can click on the down arrow next to select to "select" to get other leg results

thx

[s2 alter ego]

"For the first time, the boat which took the least time to complete the round the world regatta, "Telefónica" finished in fourth place, in a competition based on points and not on time taken to complete the course."


from http://www.teamtelef...EGATTA%E2%80%9D.


----------- Camper --------- Groupama ---------- Telefonica
Leg1 | 21d 21h 48m 04s | 24d 04h 28m 31s | 21d 05h 14m 25s
Leg2 | | |
Leg3 | 20d 21h 28m 24s | 20d 19h 45m 25s | 20d 17h 58m 22s
Leg4 | 20d 04h 46m 55s | 19d 15h 35m 54s | 20d 04h 45m 22s
Leg5 | 30d 11h 35m 43s | 23d 12h 58m 44s | 19d 18h 22m 28s
Leg6 | 17d 02h 21m 24s | 17d 07h 29m 03s | 17d 08h 06m 38s
Leg7 | 11d 08h 30m 08s | 11d 04h 29m 20s | 11d 08h 28m 26s
Leg8 | 5d 00h 30m 09s | 4d 23h 31m 02s | 5d 08h 40min 26s
Leg9 | 1d 13h 40m 13s | 1d 13h 47m 11s | 1d 13h 57m 33s

Telefonica : 125d 09h 16m 27s
Groupama: 130d 15h 34m 47s
Camper: 136d 09h 12m 50s

goto: http://www.volvoocea...eg-2_page1.html you can click on the down arrow next to select to "select" to get other leg results

Those are not the times spent racing though. Time spent while suspended racing is included for some reason.
Easy to see in leg 5 for Tele & G4. Tele used less time racing in leg 5 than Puma did, while finished later.
Not that it changes anything regarding Tele, but the differences would be much smaller between the boats. Did Camper actually use less total time racing than G4 ?

[IBro]

http://www.livewire....comms-intro.php

a short overview about how 'media' coverage is done.