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#1 shockload

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 05:15 AM

Was discussing this with a friend the other day and was just wondering who would have won if it was still an elapsed time race. Might not be possible to work it out because of all the time spend on ships but I guess you could factor that in too?

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 05:44 AM

Three boats did not complete the course so do not count. With Groupama losing her mast and coming in a quite late and Camper even later it would surely have to be Telefonica who went all the way around and was always either the leg winner or close to them.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 08:21 AM

Check out the other VOR thread, all the numbers are there.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 03:29 AM

It makes no sense to attempt to glean anything about elapsed time from a points-based competition. None of the competitors were trying to minimize elapsed time; they were trying to maximize points - they are very, very different approaches.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 04:56 AM

I thought they were trying to sail fast.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:33 AM

I thought they were trying to sail fast.


Yes, and sailing slow in the in-ports telefonica wound up not sailing fast enough.

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 08:15 AM

This happens on F1 forums all the time
"...if the rules were different the result would have been..."

#8 Francis Vaughan

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Posted 12 July 2012 - 02:28 PM

If you were sailing an elapsed time race you wouldn't even contemplate starting in a VO70. The risk of not finishing a leg is too great. By definition, not finishing a leg means you are out of the entire race. If you sail on elapsed time the ramifications of a boat breakage are thus so great that you cannot ever push hard. But sailing by legs the worst that can happen is that you give away 30 points if you break. Possibly less if you do manage to finish - even if days late. So you push, and accept a faster boat that is more fragile. Tactics change too. Once the race is well underway the boats will accumulate time differences, and on any leg you are not sailing for position with the boats near you anymore, You will be sailing against the other boat's effective location on displaced time. So there may be no value in covering a competitor. Everyone just sails their own race, looking for best elapsed time only. Actual position on a leg becomes irrelevant, only effective position matters. The risk reward calculations become different. Taking a different course means accepting the time loss/gain instead of a change in leg position ranking. Depending upon circumstances these could have wildly different implications, and thus the call on the risk will be different.

One big advantage an elapsed time race has - the winner cannot be known until the entire race finishes. It isn't possible to wrap up the race before the last leg. Although you could have a lead so great that it is a foregone conclusion, that isn't the same as actually being impossible to beat. The leader could still sink on the last leg. But the danger is that the race becomes very dull. With very close racing it could work really well. I could imagine that if the next round of the VOR turned in a mix of very close teams and really high reliability the round after that could contemplate an elapsed time race. Knowing that the reliability is good enough will be key. But if that were proved so, and teams close enough you could imagine doing an elapsed time race. For more fun, on the last leg, start them with their time offsets so that the first boat over the line is the race winner. (Probably would be very dull if the boats had much of an accumulated difference in time and the leg was short.)




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