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[mydaddycat]

I am leaving my wife and family due to utter selfishness. But be thats not really the issue. I want to buy a Nacra 20 carbon. I have the money and I finally believe I am worth a great boat. I know that as soon as I buy this Nacra it will lose at least 25% of its value. If I need to sale it. Would it be better to buy a used C2 and go a little slower or is there a new and better catamaran than the Nacra 20 coming out soon. I would gladly settle for a used Nacra 20 but I have not seen one for sale. You guys are the experts! No pity please.

Looking forward to the adventure.

Mydaddycat

[Oxygen Mask]

I am leaving my wife and family due to utter selfishness.

Refreshing honesty!

No idea on the boat.

[craigiri]

I am leaving my wife and family due to utter selfishness.

Refreshing honesty!

No idea on the boat.

Question was whose selfishness?

My advice would be, if it is yours, you are unlikely to be happy with any boat, as selfish people generally end up unloved. Fiberglass or even carbon can't replace family.

[THOR]

is she cute ?

I am looking you know ....

no idea about the boat

thot

[eric e]

hope your crew

is more loyal to you

than you to your wife

otherwise y'screwed

[Waynemarlow]

Oh come on guys, give the man a break, he openly says he's a selfish git, but then we all go sailing without our wives and all talk in the bar afterwards of just how our wives are screwing our lives and not giving us enough sailing time. Pot and kettle and black comes to mind.

Come on then answer him without reference to the wife bit. I say if that is what you want and you can afford it without taking out loans on your mums house, then go for it.

[vmg]

It's all a mid-life crisis

Get the biggest flashiest boat that you can afford, but keep the family.

That way, when you get over the m-l c, you just have a boat that is too fast for you to sell to get back to normal!

[drew584]

I am leaving my wife and family due to utter selfishness. But be thats not really the issue. I want to buy a Nacra 20 carbon. I have the money and I finally believe I am worth a great boat. I know that as soon as I buy this Nacra it will lose at least 25% of its value. If I need to sale it. Would it be better to buy a used C2 and go a little slower or is there a new and better catamaran than the Nacra 20 coming out soon. I would gladly settle for a used Nacra 20 but I have not seen one for sale. You guys are the experts! No pity please.

Looking forward to the adventure.

Mydaddycat

Where are you? What does everyone else sail? Who are you going to race against on the nacra20c and who one the C2? I'd pick the better racing, doesnt matter the boat.

[bacho]

There was one out west on beach cats for $25k

[Occams Razor]

What - no pics of the soon-to-be-ex-wifes tits yet?

[mydaddycat]

Ok so you guys are not the experts. I don' want a crew, I can always find some person who wants to go sailing. I love the solitude of sailing and the challenge of sailing by myself. Who cares about racing? Been there done that. BFD! And why would you care about her tits. I would be asking how much money does she make. Yes she is cute, small mellons, healthy and makes over $200,000 a year. Legally. One hell of a sales person in radio advertising. I only bring in abouit $45,000. Also we have over 1.8 million in income producing real estate paid off. I like boats and she does not. I have plenty of used catamarans but goddammit I'm 56 and I want to buy a great boat just once. I have been waiting 18 years and I'm not going to wait any more. So unless yu are a licensed marrige counseler forget it! And you would think that a dealer of Nacra or C2 would jump in on the thread and try to get a potential buyer like me interested in their product but i guess that not important.[/quote]

[jetboy]

If you're not racing, the very small difference between this year's high performance cat and 2002's top performance cat isn't going to mean a whole lot. If you're going to have a lot of time on your hands, are you sure you want a beach cat? For $40k I'd buy a used F24 AND a Weta and you can have beach toy fun or all day cruising fun - either can be single handed if necessary.

[Lost in Translation]

if you want to buy a great boat to sail by yourself, buy an A-cat or an F16. The A-cats are more refined, simple, and high tech, the F16s are more beach oriented, have a kite, and still light compared to F18s or the Carbon 20. You can find other threads where the merits of the boats are debated so no need to do that here but both are very worth of consideration for single handing and would be rightable by yourself (the A-cat more so) if you capsize.

[notallthere]

New boat starter kit

[Hatin' life]

I agree with lost on translation.

I sail pretty evenly mixed two up, and singlehanded on a Viper. Singlehanded is an ass load of work with the kite. I'm 31, semi fit, and would not want to sail an carbon 20 alone, (or any 20' beachcat for that matter), just because you'd be over worked, and way overpowered.

[Foghorn77]

Ok so you guys are not the experts. I don' want a crew, I can always find some person who wants to go sailing. I love the solitude of sailing and the challenge of sailing by myself. Who cares about racing? Been there done that. BFD! And why would you care about her tits. I would be asking how much money does she make. Yes she is cute, small mellons, healthy and makes over $200,000 a year. Legally. One hell of a sales person in radio advertising. I only bring in abouit $45,000. Also we have over 1.8 million in income producing real estate paid off. I like boats and she does not. I have plenty of used catamarans but goddammit I'm 56 and I want to buy a great boat just once. I have been waiting 18 years and I'm not going to wait any more. So unless yu are a licensed marrige counseler forget it! And you would think that a dealer of Nacra or C2 would jump in on the thread and try to get a potential buyer like me interested in their product but i guess that not important.

I have a Nacra 20 that will be up for sale very soon, not an F-20 carbon but a Nacra/Inter 20. It sounds like you're looking for an F-20 carbon though.
The one on beachcats got snatched up in minutes.

[pitchpoledave]

Get the Nacra F20c.. head and shoulders above any F18, F16, or whatever. Better sailing boat, easier to sail, faster and 40+ lbs lighter. One boat to rule them all. The rest are pretenders. Try one out and you will see.

[Chocko]

having just gone through separation, buying a new carbon 20 from nacra would be therapuetic to me!!!!
I can sort of understand what you are feeling, and one certainly cant take it with them when the time is up
Go for it mate, get the f20C, you'll love it!!!!

[Robnacra]

Having sailed many of the above boats nothing can touch the f20c.... Last time I was sailing one we were out in 10-12 knts top speed was 22 knts... If I had the coin id have one parked on my front lawn. A class is probably more sensible tho if you want to sail it by yourself...

[THOR]

get an A ....

about that wife... no matter how much dough or how cute ..if she aint sailing she is on her own ... rather have an ugly poor one who loves to be on the boat ..lol

thor

[richklein]

For single handing, I would factor in the effort needed to recover the boat after dumping it. I am in the process of learning to sail an IC canoe and when the wind picks up to 15+, it is beyond my current skill level to easily recover. I've been in the situation of being in the water, tired and wondering how I am going to get home, add in an unexpected event like banging a knee and the wisdom a manageable system becomes clear. I would beg, borrow or steal what you are planning to sail, dump and recover it by yourself. Being a good sailor may not be enough, it may take two good sailors to get home. There is a good reason they are so fast and fun to sail.

As far as the wife goes, it took me years to see that it was my fear of opening up myself to reveal who I really was that kept me running to distractions. I kept a laundry list of complaints in my head to justify bailing as a security blanket. As soon as I was pressed to be verbal and fess up what there was really going on for me, I was ready to pull the plug. When I truly opened up she opened up and all of the static stopped. She is a non sailor and knows I am going to cycle 100 miles per week and sail and is fine with me being gone doing my things. I used to tell myself it was selfishness. We love our life together now. A little food for thought, remember, you brought the wife thing up.

[bhyde]

Sounds like the boat is not the only thing you'll be single-handing...

Go with an A-cat and buy a motorhome to pull it around with. Go sail every lake/beach you can find by day, and at night grill yourself up some burgers, drink some beer, and watch the sun set. If you're tied to some employment situation and can't roam freely, buy the F20c.

[Dag-Sabot]

Sounds like your trying to kill yourself. Wicked choice of boat. Good luck in your hunt. Also your wife sounds like a smart cookie, why not ask her?

[F-18 5150]

Buy the F-20c. With no regular crew and not wanting to race keep my number. You will be selling it used in a few months and I could use one on the cheap.

[F-18 5150]

Have you thought about the Flying Phantom?

[CloudSpin]

F-18 5150:

Can you tell us more about about those rudder blades? Are they T foils? At first, I thought I was looking at a modified F20C!

mydaddycat:

You can't go wrong with a F20C. I easily self handle mine in 10 knots of wind.

In heavier air you will need a crew familiar with the boat. Good team work is essential to really enjoy sailing the boat. With a little practice, you'll roll tack the boat on a dime.

You will be very fast upwind. I sail upwind at 14+ knots on a routine basis. I have done 16.4 a few times recently.

Downwind, you will sail even faster and deeper.

The boat is also very safe when you bury the leeward hull. Gently push the stick and she comes right out of the water.

My wife stopped sailing with me when I owned a Mystere 6XL. Now that she understands the boat is safer and more comfortable, she wants to come to the club and try the boat!

So, in a sense, the F20C is saving my marriage...

[F-18 5150]

[MR.CLEAN]

Test bed, but not for an AC boat...story coming soon.

[vmg]

S-foils!

[CloudSpin]

J foils and J rudder blades. How can this be stable?

When the stern comes up the foils lose their angle of attack causing the boat to nose dive...

[macca]

Double S foils with L rudders. Very stable and nice

fast too..

[bhyde]

Dumb question. How do get a J-shaped daggerboard through the hull? What does the daggerboard box look like?

[Dog]

So the N 20c is faster, so what. Buy the used C2, bank the savings and go sailing. Chasing after today’s latest greatest most bad assed boat is a fool’s mission.
Oh yeah...and save the marrage if you can.

[macca]

Dumb question. How do get a J-shaped daggerboard through the hull? What does the daggerboard box look like?

Its not a J, its a double S.

the path through the hull is a magical one, and not something that can easily be described but suffice it to say that there are bearings top and bottom that have a rotational component to them to allow the movement. Then its all pretty simple really.

[bhyde]

Sounds like a differential on a car. When you see it work it all makes sense. Explaining it is impossible.

[Doug Lord]

Sounds like an improved version of the "Mayfly" A Cat foil system-cool!

[F-18 5150]

It foils.

[Tornado_ALIVE]

And why would you care about her tits. I would be asking how much money does she make.

No, I would ask does she make you happy. She could earn a fortune and you may still see none of it. She may also tell you have to spend more time with her and less with the boat. Find a woman that makes you happy and supports you in everything you want to do. If she makes good money, than that is a bonus. Otherwise, you will continue to be miserable.

[Ship o' Fools]

I am leaving my wife and family due to utter selfishness. But be thats not really the issue. I want to buy a Nacra 20 carbon. I have the money and I finally believe I am worth a great boat. I know that as soon as I buy this Nacra it will lose at least 25% of its value. If I need to sale it. Would it be better to buy a used C2 and go a little slower or is there a new and better catamaran than the Nacra 20 coming out soon. I would gladly settle for a used Nacra 20 but I have not seen one for sale. You guys are the experts! No pity please.

Looking forward to the adventure.

Mydaddycat

If depreciation is your big concern, perhaps you should by the N20c before you get separated so when you are splitting up the community assets, you can get the boat at a depreciated price and your ex-wife has to swallow the half the depreciation.

Alternatively, if you don't want to screw your wife over and you believe in karma, buy the N20c and credit the community the full value of the boat. Hell, with the income numbers you were mentioning, she is probably paying for it anyway.

If this is your one and only mid-life crisis and you haven't spent foolishly before, buy the boat. Everyone should have one terrible financial decision that they really enjoy - and besides, the depreciation value loss will probably just be a rounding error as you look back on your life 20 yrs from now.

(Edit: Now that I notice the date of the orig. post, did you buy the boat?)

[bacho]

Yes he did, see f20c carbon tiller thread

[Ship o' Fools]

Yes he did, see f20c carbon tiller thread

Thanks.

Broken tiller, broken rudder or rudder cassette, hole in main, and shredded spin - wow. No wonder sailing is expensive.

[mydaddycat]

My son and i moved out and we are living in one of our rental apartments. my son is a big fisherman and loves going to the lake and to the beach to go offshore fishing. his mom hates fishing and being out in the sun so he is happier with me. although i try to get her to do stuff with him but she rarely does. the boat is great and still in one piece. love sailing by myself on light air days. i bought a used bladerider for the windier days. no women in my life for now as it is much to early for that and i really don't have the time or real desire. my son is the main person i have to deal with right now and he is pretty demanding with his fishing. yes we have power boats.



that red catamaran is fantastic but i need kickup rudders as i tend to run into things.


cannot say enough good things about the nacra so glad i wasted the money on it . my wife did finally relinquish and let me buy the nacra and even she liked it for a while but it turns out the real problem was the fact that i did not bring in enough money. and she believes i am a leech on her even though i work two jobs and do a lot of the construction/ maitanance on the rental props.

so we are in finacial mediation and hopefully this will all be behind us and we will be friends again when i, her or both of us grow up.

if you are concerned about the kids i will explain my son is fine and does not miss his mother at all. my daughter is doing the same things she did before and is pretty much normal and not missing here brother at all, both of their grades are the same.

I tried reconcilliation with the wife but she wants nothing to do with me now until i am perfect in her eyes.
;

[harryanas]

So, I guess this is a confessional forum now. You may want to try a chemical approach to your problems....just sayin'.

[Tornado_ALIVE]

I tried reconcilliation with the wife but she wants nothing to do with me now until i am perfect in her eyes.
;

Or perhaps until you can support yourself instead of spounging of her then complaining she woun't give you the money to buy an expensive toy you barely know how to use.

I am leaving my wife and family due to utter selfishness.

[GybeSet®]

comorn Tornado, any lengths to get a fast ride is commendable

fact is mate some women will aim to rule the fucking roost with no income and just their cooter,
others deploy the unspoken threat of domestic fireworks i.e. "do you wanna be right? or be happy"

this one out-guns his income at least 5:1 & is a bona-fide multi-millionaire, I have no doubts whatsoever of who she believes wears the goddamn pants

you think the blokes son would pitch in & sail it with him, tween fishing trips