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[sebmiax]

Trailable sports cruiser for weekends and sail racing - What boat is the best?
(I have a Bull 7000)

[jkdubs808]

Que in the Viper boys in 3....2....1......

[hyerstay]

Que in the Viper boys in 3....2....1......

Huh?

This Viper owner would prefer to trailer cruise in a Left Coast Dart, a Rocket 22, or an Andrews 28. I would even consider a J/70 if I could find a single picture of the interior. I should have tried to get a pic when #16 launched.

[Willy T]

antrim 27? Loving mine so far!

[jkdubs808]

Que in the Viper boys in 3....2....1......

Huh?

This Viper owner would prefer to trailer cruise in a Left Coast Dart, a Rocket 22, or an Andrews 28. I would even consider a J/70 if I could find a single picture of the interior. I should have tried to get a pic when #16 launched.

Haha I was just pokin fun at some of the Viper guys who always end up on threads promoting the boat .

The boats hyerstay listed are excellent choices. I would add an Ultimate 20 to that list as well. The Left Coast Dart is better suited than the rest if you ask me.

[glowmaster]

F 24 trimaran.

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trailerable race boat, swim platform, cocktail boat, family hacking around. Classic design all around.

[hard aground]

Ross 760????

[Turkey Slapper]

F 24 trimaran.

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trailerable race boat, swim platform, cocktail boat, family hacking around. Classic design all around.

Back to multiwackamarang forum clown, before the jetski thread gets a run again!



As for the first post, these!

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[Obsessed]

While I would like to say my boat, I think Stealthy wins hands down

[Steam Flyer]

Trailable sports cruiser for weekends and sail racing - What boat is the best?
(I have a Bull 7000)

"Best" in what way?
Fastest? To the line or on handicap?
Roomiest?
Most comfortable, or most likely to get lucky?
Biggest cooler?

Lots of different criteria. If "best" had just one meaning, we'd all get the same kind of boat.

FB- Doug

[hoofhearted]

Monohull. Gotta think the Hobie 33 (8 foot wide, lift keel, husband and wife can laucnh and rig easily, sleeps 6....)

Multihull. Gotta think, F-24, F-27, F-28

[206]

While I would like to say my boat, I think Stealthy wins hands down

yes.

[rantifarian]

This was a stunner of a boat when my family owned it. Quick around the racetrack, comfortable enough to sleep on during the bay to bay, piece of piss to tow and launch. Not sure if it would measure under SMS though.

[Evo]

Young 840 should be considered in this thread.....linky

[rantifarian]

Young 840 should be considered in this thread.....linky

Very nice looking boats, pity there weren't more built in Aus.

[Evo]

pity there weren't more built.

it's about how sweet they are downhill and then how they go upwind in plenty....so many different rig configs and keel weights, rudder setups....but damn that's a great hull

[barnone]

Nolex 30 - Farr designed

http://www.farrdesig...12_Noelex30.htm

Chartered one in NZ Bay of Island.

Fin keel with bulb, raise lower underway via push button.
Kick up rudder.

Fractional modern rig, auto-tacking jib

Inboard diesel, trailerable.

Awesome boat, wish you could get that in the states.

[Christian]

Nolex 30 - Farr designed

http://www.farrdesig...12_Noelex30.htm

Chartered one in NZ Bay of Island.

Fin keel with bulb, raise lower underway via push button.
Kick up rudder.

Fractional modern rig, auto-tacking jib

Inboard diesel, trailerable.

Awesome boat, wish you could get that in the states.

In SB Anarchy? Looks like a smaller Winnebago

[Keith]

Raider 302

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[Scottyk]

Hartley 16. Its not big but if your friendly with your cruising partner then its about as cheap as an overnighter gets! 3k will get you a good one.
Historically speaking in Australia there hasn't been many boats with a bigger following.
This picture is gold!, over 12000 of these have been built
Scotty

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[Obsessed]

Don't think 12000 is correct. Current number in Australia is - bit over 1600. Don't think there would be 10,400 in NZ.

I agree that they are an awesome boat, plane off the wind in 12-15 knots but they are non self righting and near impossible to right when capsized so are a bit dangerous for small crews IMHO

[Scottyk]

Don't think 12000 is correct. Current number in Australia is - bit over 1600. Don't think there would be 10,400 in NZ.

I agree that they are an awesome boat, plane off the wind in 12-15 knots but they are non self righting and near impossible to right when capsized so are a bit dangerous for small crews IMHO

Yeah got that figure a website this arvo, maybe a bit over the mark!
They are a bit of a handful in breeze and although I did go close in mine a few times to filling her up I never went all the way. The big hatch was great for sailing but very dangerous.
In the spirit of "build it and sail it" they can't be beat.

[Obsessed]

I sunk mine in a 60 knot squall. Scared the shit out of my wife (crew) and sold it at the end of the season.

The longevity of these boat is awesome. Last 2 national titles went to a boat that is over 25 years old.

[GybeSet®]

so it floated ?

[Obsessed]

Sort of, front air tight bulkhead filled up after maybe 30 mins of water insde the cabin. I think the pressure pushed water through imperefctions in the hatch seals and posibly hairline gaps in the tank. The sheer amount of water in the cabin made the boat WAY bow down which made it impossible to right once we got help. We towed/drifted to shore some 3 hours later and skull dragged it onto the beach.

Bit of bog, new mast, new sails and a heap of buffing got her back onto the water 2 months later for the Nationals and we still got top 10.

Moral of the story is make sure your centreboard lock down is cleated and if you do go over get on the plate and start rightig straight away as once the cabin fills up your fucked. Still great boats tho

[Still]

How about the relatively new Elan 210? Seems to meet your criteria. Haven't yet seen one stateside but you're closer to Elan HQ

[U20guy2]

The Elan 210 production was sold out last I heard. And they can build pretty good quality mass produced boats fairly fast so there should be a whole pile of the 210's sailing around by now

[barnone]

Wow, cool, thanks for the Elan link. It's same ideas as the Nolex but more modern setup.

I'm glad to see this sort of thing on the market.

[U20guy2]

Wow, cool, thanks for the Elan link. It's same ideas as the Nolex but more modern setup.

I'm glad to see this sort of thing on the market.

Given I had a U20 for many many years - the 210 is a refreshed Ultimate 20 with the twin rudder and more modern looking chine crease in the hull etc. Taller cabin height than the U20 to make the interior more functional but over all the 210 and the Ultimate 20 are similar in many ways they just have a few years between the point they were designed. The 210 - 310, 350 and 450 Elan's are super nice well thought out boats and have won lots of awards the past few years. Humphreys has done a great job with them - and some of the added design details which probably carry over from the Oyster lines have crept into the Elans.

They are some of the nicest mass production boats I've seen with lots of little details thought out very well that just adds to an already good looking and decent sailing boat. For sure worth a look!

[peejay]

Bull 7000!

Truly a masterpice, with a lot of unique features that work really really well.
Not perfect, but what is?

[jim lee]

full circle?

[Timmys_Trick_Turkey]

The best allround performance cruiser ts ? Thats a tough ask. If car manufacturers could solve that type of question, they wouldnt be spending millions on research. Youve got to ask yourself why there arent any new designs selling well in Australia, despite boatbuilders who are prepared to work for a pittance...
A second hand market that is flooded with fibreglass boats that virtually last forever, at a fraction of the cost of a brand new one is one pretty big reason. The second reason is because the pool of traditional buyers is shrinking. Over-regulation by authorities, reduced leisure hours, family demands, nanny state drink driving laws,defacto property entitlements, divorce settlements, more than equal rights... the reasons are endless as kids and wives decide they want to do their own thing instead. For me, it is fast becoming an indulgence and a passion that my family is growing intolerant of.
It has gotten to the stage where it costs $800 AUS in assorted expenses to campaign the boat in the Tripolis Yacht Race while leaving the family home. Not many families would tolerate that any more.

Never in Australias history have we had so many boats laying about unused or unusable in people's backyards....

[6924]

Was missing around in a friend's Ultimate 20 the other day,

it might fit the criteria for a young family - it is fast, mommy and children friendly. The wee cabin is just enough to sleep 4 camping style and stay out of the rain.

Envision sailing her up on a beach, campfire, and a couple of kids

[jim lee]

I still think its mine..

-jim lee

[Varan]

I still think its mine..

-jim lee

+1

[tur102]

Check the www.farr25.com
She is fast and has enough cabin space,
with 436 kg lead bulb ( 180 cm deep ) under 20 kg carbon keel she is more stable than smilar boats,
Also with all carbon wellknown brand SouthernSpars mast boom ans bowspirt she is fast as 30 feet sportboats.
Can use 6 HP outboard engine , she reachs 6.7- 6.8 knots speed.

[GybeSet®]

not ramp launchable

[206]

Nice astro-turfing

Check the www.farr25.com
She is fast and has enough cabin space,
with 436 kg lead bulb ( 180 cm deep ) under 20 kg carbon keel she is more stable than smilar boats,
Also with all carbon wellknown brand SouthernSpars mast boom ans bowspirt she is fast as 30 feet sportboats.
Can use 6 HP outboard engine , she reachs 6.7- 6.8 knots speed.

[U20guy2]

Was missing around in a friend's Ultimate 20 the other day,

it might fit the criteria for a young family - it is fast, mommy and children friendly. The wee cabin is just enough to sleep 4 camping style and stay out of the rain.

Envision sailing her up on a beach, campfire, and a couple of kids

What I find funny is that many of the boats being listed here have never been cruised by anyone or at least anyone who is willing to admit that they have. LOL - The Ultimate 24 in the US is probably one of the best options for the smallest package with the most performance. The U20 has been cruised by many owners for extended cruises we even have an early owner ie family who cruised the Great lakes with their young son on the U20 and wrote up a nice piece on it many years ago. We have one of our elder U20 owners who cruised the Pacific North west on his U20 with his wife and really had fun so much so he returned and promptly sold his very very nice kitted out ocean sailing Pearson 35. He still has the U20 and says its one of his top favorite boats at one point I recall he owned 5 sailboats all at the same time the only one he kept was the U20.

[jim lee]

The Farr 25..

Best sports cruiser ever? Really? This is the pinnacle of sport cruiser amenities?

-jim lee

[6924]

U20guy;

BS meter running high on your story about your friends cruising the U20 all over the PNW. Believe the odd overnight or beach camp out, but 'cruising' ?

[jim lee]

U20 interior.. Here's the only shots I can find..

Forward..




And looking down..

Where are we going to put the food?

-jim lee

[GybeSet®]

Hey Jim

got some snaps of the Dart innards ?

[Christian]

Check the www.farr25.com
She is fast and has enough cabin space,
with 436 kg lead bulb ( 180 cm deep ) under 20 kg carbon keel she is more stable than smilar boats,
Also with all carbon wellknown brand SouthernSpars mast boom ans bowspirt she is fast as 30 feet sportboats.
Can use 6 HP outboard engine , she reachs 6.7- 6.8 knots speed.

Maybe a Bravura or such (self proclaimed but not really sportboats) - Real sportboats - NFW! - Not even in the same zipcode!

[Jerryd]

Was missing around in a friend's Ultimate 20 the other day,

it might fit the criteria for a young family - it is fast, mommy and children friendly. The wee cabin is just enough to sleep 4 camping style and stay out of the rain.

Envision sailing her up on a beach, campfire, and a couple of kids

What I find funny is that many of the boats being listed here have never been cruised by anyone or at least anyone who is willing to admit that they have. LOL - The Ultimate 24 in the US is probably one of the best options for the smallest package with the most performance.

It always cracks me up to hear a reference to the Ultimate 24. Absolutely a great boat, but try to find one! What is there, maybe 5 in existence!

[Timmys_Trick_Turkey]

5 is a sign that the builder is no longer prepared to work for free, and the market either isnt big enough to make major investments in speeding up production or isnt prepared to pay whats required. The Dart is a nice looking boat, but if it exceeds 5, with all that labour, and the inevitable costs on costs that flow from owners wanting special treatment, it would be an amazing effort in these tough times. Sometimes working for free because you love doing it, is enough. But its not good business sense. I see the Dart manufacture shifting to somewhere like Vietnam where the love generates the reward that Jim deserves.

[sebmiax]

I think my Bull is a cruiser more than a racer. What do you think?

[barnone]

re the Bull.

I think you win. Never seen this boat but very clever features and interior. Love the double companionway, never seen that before on a small boat.

great photos.

http://bluebullitt.b....se/p/foto.html

[jc172528]

Best sports cruiser?
Bull 7000, Elliott 770 / 780, Thompsom 870 - not necessary in that order.
Shame they're not in production anymore - especially the Bull (location of the moulds?).

The Ross 780 could get a mention but they're tending towards floating caravans these days crewed by the over 60s.

[rantifarian]

The beale 850 unbealieveable is a very quick boat that has been cruised quite a bit. Pity there werent more built like her, rather than with the shitty cruising rig the rest got.

[jim lee]

Geoff and three friends took Dart #1 out camping. I finally got some pix back. (This is how they pay their "charter fees".)



First lets see how much gear the loaded into the Dart.




Cruising along..






Everybody sailing. Wow guys, this one really looks staged!

[jim lee]

Flying the chute..







Cool moonshot..


Another cool shot..

There was a bunch of campfire pix, not enough sailing in them.


Cooking a nutritious breakfast of..

[jim lee]

Smores!!



Crabbing..



Lunch?



And drinks..

[jim lee]

Is this heading home? Donno' but it makes a great closing shot.


Looking forward..


Looking aft..


From outside..

Left coast Dart a pretty good little sport cruiser.

jim lee

[Speedwatch]

...Moral of the story is make sure your centreboard lock down is cleated and if you do go over get on the plate and start rightig straight away as once the cabin fills up your fucked. Still great boats tho

Ahh, centreboard lock has to be cleated ... Reminds me on my fault with my little yellow Sympathy 600... Over years I was thinking what the fuck the cleat benear the liftkeel was design for. After the knockdown in a squal with the masthead genni up I saw the keel sliding out of the keelbox and I suddendly know why this cleat was there. Boat tumbled and in the end only little more than a half meter of the transom looks out of the water. The water rescue pull us into their station and after turning the boat up and roundabout 20 minutes of motorpumping we towed the boat back to the club. No big damages, mast & sails was okay, only the windex got lossed in the mud of the Wannsee lake here in Berlin. Good times ..

[HappyHours]

Is this heading home? Donno' but it makes a great closing shot.


Looking forward..


Looking aft..


From outside..

Left coast Dart a pretty good little sport cruiser.

jim lee

Nice pictures. Never heard of the Dart. How many were built. Who's the current builder??

[biogrove]

Is this heading home? Donno' but it makes a great closing shot.


Looking forward..


Looking aft..


From outside..

Left coast Dart a pretty good little sport cruiser.

jim lee

Nice pictures. Never heard of the Dart. How many were built. Who's the current builder??

The builder is Jim Lee. I believe these pictures are all of hull #3

Website
http://www.eskimo.co...t/The_Dart.html

FB Page
https://www.facebook...rt/184959066289

Search function on SA will yield a great deal of infotainment on this cool little Sport Boat. Get your order in now!

[barnone]

Love the Dart camping stuff jim.

[ClimbnSail]

Dart, or its predecessor, the B25

[flojo]

Was missing around in a friend's Ultimate 20 the other day,

it might fit the criteria for a young family - it is fast, mommy and children friendly. The wee cabin is just enough to sleep 4 camping style and stay out of the rain.

Envision sailing her up on a beach, campfire, and a couple of kids

What I find funny is that many of the boats being listed here have never been cruised by anyone or at least anyone who is willing to admit that they have. LOL - The Ultimate 24 in the US is probably one of the best options for the smallest package with the most performance.

It always cracks me up to hear a reference to the Ultimate 24. Absolutely a great boat, but try to find one! What is there, maybe 5 in existence!

re the Bull.

I think you win. Never seen this boat but very clever features and interior. Love the double companionway, never seen that before on a small boat.

great photos.

http://bluebullitt.b....se/p/foto.html

Owned two Bull 7000 for almost 15 years. Fantastic sportscruiser. My last one is for sale again. The new owner has to quit sailing (health causes). See http://www.boat24.co...0/detail/88554/.

U24 is a fantastic sportscruiser, too. A bit less comfort, There's one in front of my house. It belongs to a good friend. Every wednesday we sail it. Has been upgraded for a code 0 (cars, block etc.). The code 0 came from my last Bull 7000. Fits perfectly.

flojo

[6924]

Schock 23 wingkeel