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#1 valenciasailing

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:28 PM

Anyone has heard more on a possible Russian team? Is it official?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 12:53 PM

For AC34?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:49 PM

Anyone has heard more on a possible Russian team? Is it official?



Synergy had been keeping up with AC updates on the Synergy web page through Venice. That would be the most obvious. They would have the horsepower to participate, even at this late of stage, right?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 04:20 PM

A "commando raid" now though given the 7-8 month build time. Earliest sailing time would be around early March. There would be precious little work-up time.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 04:32 PM

A "commando raid" now though given the 7-8 month build time. Earliest sailing time would be around early March. There would be precious little work-up time.


Which is just the way the Synergy guys roll, if you lack time...throw money at it, just see the TP campaign.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:17 PM

^

8 months build time was Iain Murray's figure. Bruno Peyron has suggested 7 months. To what extent you can shorten that by throwing money at it I don't know. If it takes 9 months for one woman to have a baby, how long would 9 women take?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:25 PM

^^

Easy - team up with the Koreans :D

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 05:43 PM

^^

Easy - team up with the Koreans :D


So that would be a North Korean entry then?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 06:00 PM

^^

Easy - team up with the Koreans :D



Good thinking. The Russians and French still don't like each other much, right (that whole Napoleon thing, and all)? Although, not sure if the South Koreans are very fond of the Ruskies, either.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:14 PM

Synergy no way.

Think more along the lines of Russian money for the Artemis campaign. They are going cap in hand as they have burned through their cash. Cap held out to TT's business partner, Gunardi Timchenko.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:27 PM

With Gunvor, TT seems to be just a lucky western version of a Russian oligarch anyway. Partner is Russian born but now a Finn right?

Think more along the lines of Russian money for the Artemis campaign. They are going cap in hand as they have burned through their cash. Cap held out to TT's business partner, Gunardi Timchenko.


What are mates for?

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:46 PM

Synergy no way.

Think more along the lines of Russian money for the Artemis campaign. They are going cap in hand as they have burned through their cash. Cap held out to TT's business partner, Gunardi Timchenko.


Bingo!!!

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 07:54 PM

With Gunvor, TT seems to be just a lucky western version of a Russian oligarch anyway. Partner is Russian born but now a Finn right?


Think more along the lines of Russian money for the Artemis campaign. They are going cap in hand as they have burned through their cash. Cap held out to TT's business partner, Gunardi Timchenko.


What are mates for?


Rumor has it that Gunvor and Timchenko are Putin's route for oil/cash out of Russia. Neither TT nor Timchenko are allowed in to the USA.




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Posted 17 July 2012 - 10:19 PM

^

8 months build time was Iain Murray's figure. Bruno Peyron has suggested 7 months. To what extent you can shorten that by throwing money at it I don't know. If it takes 9 months for one woman to have a baby, how long would 9 women take?


Wait...9 women by nine months is, erm...jandals off for this maths.

I'm not saying it's the right way to approach yachting, just speaking from experience of being around them whilst the time ticks down and the dollar/euro/rouble spend goes through the roof.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 11:52 PM

For AC34?

RUS is a possibility for entering the 2012/13 ACWS. Another possibility is out there too.

It is clearly too late for AC34 if you're only starting to plan now. The ETNZ launch today is exhibit A. Any RUS entry will/would be future-stanced.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:06 AM

I suspect you're right Stingray, however, what we have actually seen from ETNZ today is the unvailing of a wing that appears to be a scaled up version of the current C-class "state of the art" and I find it hard to believe that the North designed "standard" wing package would be much different. So a team could in theory hit the ground running by buying the plans. If ETNZ unvailed an Artemis style all bells and wistles wing then it might have been different story.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:45 AM


^^

Easy - team up with the Koreans :D



Good thinking. The Russians and French still don't like each other much, right (that whole Napoleon thing, and all)? Although, not sure if the South Koreans are very fond of the Ruskies, either.


This is why the Americans always have to do shit on their own :-)

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 12:52 AM

I suspect you're right Stingray, however, what we have actually seen from ETNZ today is the unvailing of a wing that appears to be a scaled up version of the current C-class "state of the art" and I find it hard to believe that the North designed "standard" wing package would be much different. So a team could in theory hit the ground running by buying the plans. If ETNZ unvailed an Artemis style all bells and wistles wing then it might have been different story.

Agree all of that.

But I am right. Asked several people and the summary of the the responses so far is what I posted. An RUS entry into ACWS definitely is being considered.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 01:56 AM


For AC34?

RUS is a possibility for entering the 2012/13 ACWS. Another possibility is out there too.

It is clearly too late for AC34 if you're only starting to plan now. The ETNZ launch today is exhibit A. Any RUS entry will/would be future-stanced.


Just like BARF?

WetHog :ph34r:

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 02:28 AM

I suspect you're right Stingray, however, what we have actually seen from ETNZ today is the unvailing of a wing that appears to be a scaled up version of the current C-class "state of the art" and I find it hard to believe that the North designed "standard" wing package would be much different. So a team could in theory hit the ground running by buying the plans. If ETNZ unvailed an Artemis style all bells and wistles wing then it might have been different story.


Wing looks decidedly non-state-of-the-art to me. Simple and robust, not ultra-high lift and super tweakable...but i haven't seen enough to be sure either way

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 04:32 AM

this is why the Americans always have to do shit on their own :-)


Perhaps you should repeat that quip to some of the families of the 422 British soldiers, airmen and Marines so far killed in Afghanistan. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10629358

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 03:29 PM


this is why the Americans always have to do shit on their own :-)


Perhaps you should repeat that quip to some of the families of the 422 British soldiers, airmen and Marines so far killed in Afghanistan. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10629358


O Fuck off.

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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:31 PM

We had similar comments (from similar posters) about how disappointingly low tech/passe/old school ... the AC45 wing was. Some pointed out that functionality and robustness were as, or more desirable features that the ultimate L/D ratio.
This KISS philosophy seemed to slowly gain adherents as the AC45 showed both it's performance but also the rough way it would at times be treated. Now we seem to be back to square one as far as some are concerned?

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 05:24 AM

Just imagine...the America's Cup in Russia!!!

#25 Indio

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 05:40 AM

Just imagine...the America's Cup in Russia!!!


With all those under-aged hookers....SWS would be in his element!!Posted Image

#26 Rennmaus

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 08:49 AM

Just imagine...the America's Cup in Russia!!!

Ever read "Challenge", "New World" and "Death of an Angel"?

#27 schakel

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Posted 22 July 2012 - 02:16 PM

Overall they are first in matchracing in RC 44.
http://www.rc44.com/...ts/match-racing




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