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[Paps]

I must admit something similar occurred to me.

http://www.boatpoint...aspx?R=11193763

Or even something in between.

http://www.boatpoint...aspx?R=12273747

Paps, that 1st boat is just gorgeous


http://www.boatpoint...28&tabID=302921

Isn't she Dutchy, I can see me retiring to one like her. Perhaps with a bit more boat under the water unless on a placid lake but.

[Amati]

hull material = wood

run away!

seriously though, I didn't know you could find powerboats on Yachtworld.

Having owned several wood vessels in the past and currently owning four wood vessels of various different wood construction methods I do not consider this a valid worry. Properly built and maintained a wood vessel can be fairly easy to own. And wood has so many positives, not the least as John Guzzwell once told me: "It is the only boat building material that floats."

+1

Much as I worship the ground, er water, that John works and sails on respectively, foam floats too.

[Steam Flyer]

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Having owned several wood vessels in the past and currently owning four wood vessels of various different wood construction methods I do not consider this a valid worry. Properly built and maintained a wood vessel can be fairly easy to own. And wood has so many positives, not the least as John Guzzwell once told me: "It is the only boat building material that floats."

Not true, almost any type of cored laminate floats quite nicely. For another thing several kinds of wood don't float.

I think the problem with wood boats is that there is a 'tipping point'. Where, if you do not maintain the boat properly (with somewhat minimal, annual maintenance), the resulting required repairs will be much greater than the sum of all the maintenance you should have done. The problem on a used boat is you have no idea if the former owners have gone beyond that tipping point.

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Bingo.
I've owned a bunch of wood boats, and also kept some fairly nice varnish in view. But when it needs attention, it needs attention NOW not when you can get vacation. Put off maintenance on fiberglass, you're cool just put more elbow grease into it later. Put off maintenance on a wooden boat, you've got mulch.

I'd be more worried about steel or ferrocement than wood, since wood's flaws are fairly easily detectable. But CK is looking for a livaboard, not a life-affirming love object. Me, someday I -AM- going to get an S-boat!! But right now I can't possibly keep one up so it's better to not try.

FB- Doug

[trevoryx]

<snip>

Looks like I get to visit your neck of the woods - I have to go to Portland on Monday - what's fun there ? I was hoping it'd be closer to KimB's project, but alas.

If you're still here on wednesday, you're welcome to come slumming on the ol' Cal. The weather's supposed to be beautiful all week, so pretty much anything you do will be a good time.

[kimbottles]

hull material = wood

run away!

seriously though, I didn't know you could find powerboats on Yachtworld.

Having owned several wood vessels in the past and currently owning four wood vessels of various different wood construction methods I do not consider this a valid worry. Properly built and maintained a wood vessel can be fairly easy to own. And wood has so many positives, not the least as John Guzzwell once told me: "It is the only boat building material that floats."

+1

Much as I worship the ground, er water, that John works and sails on respectively, foam floats too.

But won't it absorb water as it floats along??

[boomer]

hull material = wood

run away!

seriously though, I didn't know you could find powerboats on Yachtworld.

Having owned several wood vessels in the past and currently owning four wood vessels of various different wood construction methods I do not consider this a valid worry. Properly built and maintained a wood vessel can be fairly easy to own.

There are many sailors,power boaters and fisherman who don't think it's a valid worry either....the owners at the next Chris Craft Rendezvous will get a good laugh,when they see this.

Having owned,restored and built from plank on frame to more modern construction...I don't think it's a valid worry either.

Started building and repairing wood purse seiners and a few power yachts with my grandpa when I was a kid....built my first personnel wood sailboat when I was 12 and continued building wood sailboats and one power dory till I was 32....since then have built half a dozen wood kayaks.

An old friend Stuart Deal, who was a surveyor for Manson has been taking his late spring and summers off for the last 40 years to commercial fish in Alaska...he has licenses and two boats in Bristol Bay and one out of Cordova for the Copper River Run.His sons run the Bristol Bay boats and he runs the Cordova boat,a 60' that has been in service since the early '50's...after all those years of hard fishing,other then maintenance and adding water coolers for the fishing hold...the only other major work for wood replacement was the stem,which was replaced by the Port Townsend Shipwrights Co-op two years ago.Stuart Deal who fished the Copper River run had to buy licenses for Bristol Bay,after the Valdez fiasco,but returned to Cordova after the salmon runs had made their slow recovery...many fishermen never returned,because it's still recovering.

BTW.... Exxon/Mobil has managed to avoid paying much in the way of damages all these years to the fishermen — even while reporting record profits....

My two youngest sons Rob and Will have also maintained and repaired wood fishing boats,that are wintered over on the hard in Port Moller,Alaska...they've also done quick emergency repairs on the woodies that were involved in accidents,and had them back out fishing, from as short as a day or two or within less then a week.They've also fished out of Port Moller on friends boats,seen boats involved in accidents or needed a quick repair,either put them on the beach or against pile or docks,let the tide go out,accomplish the repair and had the boats out fishing on the next tide.Will is still up there,commercial fished this summer,working right now at the Bear Lake Lodge near Port Moller through hunting season for Warren Johnson and with an old family friend Leo Pendergraftr- who also has two woodies he and his brother fish out of Port Moller-after hunting season Will goes back to Port Moller for maintenance and repairs.

[Amati]

hull material = wood

run away!

seriously though, I didn't know you could find powerboats on Yachtworld.

Having owned several wood vessels in the past and currently owning four wood vessels of various different wood construction methods I do not consider this a valid worry. Properly built and maintained a wood vessel can be fairly easy to own. And wood has so many positives, not the least as John Guzzwell once told me: "It is the only boat building material that floats."

+1

Much as I worship the ground, er water, that John works and sails on respectively, foam floats too.

But won't it absorb water as it floats along??

As will wood if not covered.

[Courtney K]

waitaminute...shouldn't we be talking about this in powerboat anarchy?

Quite right. No more suggesting a sailor should buy a powerboat in a freaking sailing forum!

[Paps]

I beg to differ Corky, its a "cruising" forum and that can encompass many things and often does round here. Hell some of the most interesting stuff in here are the hijacks!!

[floating dutchman]

I beg to differ Corky, its a "cruising" forum and that can encompass many things and often does round here. Hell some of the most interesting stuff in here are the hijacks!!

Mea, my take on it was different, Cruising boats without sails was talked about. I for one never suggested that it was a good option for Courtney, But I do think it was implied that if your boat is pranged up, why look at replacing it with the same. Take the time to think, "was this boat suiting my needs anymore, is it time for a change of boat?"

If my boat was pranged up right now I'd be looking at a different type boat, Maybe. My wife had done next to no sailing when we bought our boat four years ago. Now she likes going away for the weekend and "being up the bay", she's not fussed on the sailing to get there and back, I try to beercan my boat. fact: there are better boats to beercan. The boat does neither well and does boat O.K.
I'd look at a different type of boat if mine was pranged up. (have no idea what I'd get)

[Tom Ray]

waitaminute...shouldn't we be talking about this in powerboat anarchy?

Quite right. No more suggesting a sailor should buy a powerboat in a freaking sailing forum!

Even the Sliver is going to have an engine and the steaming light required on powerboats.

And on the materials, foam core floats, but has anyone built a boat out of the stuff? You can make a boat out of just fiberglass, just wood, just steel, etc, but the only foam craft of which I am aware barely rate the name of "boat" in my opinion.

[boomer]

waitaminute...shouldn't we be talking about this in powerboat anarchy?

Quite right. No more suggesting a sailor should buy a powerboat in a freaking sailing forum!

Gotta agree with Paps,Floating Dutchman,Tom Ray and you....it's all good,as long as we know the path we're taking....there is nothing wrong from taking a diversion down a side route...because we might find something quite entertaining that may give us insight from an entirely different perspective....the road least traveled.quite often can be most enlightening.

Pat McGarry has set probably more records here in the NW then anyone with the Formula 40 Dragonfly,used to have quite the interest in river jet boats, beach cats as well as monohull sailing and racing....quite by accident he found Dragonfly in Thailand and his interest in a cruising boat evolved to the huge trawler he maintains in pristine condition with the help of his son Mike....another interesting side note on Dragonfly,her mainbeams were originally the mast of a 12 meter for competing in the America's Cup in Austrailia.

Dragonfly had quite the divergent history as well, built in Australia in 1987 and designed by Scott Jutson. The boat was completed just in time to see the worldwide Formula 40 Racing Circuit die out. The boat was hardly used until 1993 when she was sold to new owners who campaigned the boat extensively. The boat set numerous records in Australia including, Surf to City Race, Gold Coast to Moreton and won the 347nm Brisbane to Gladstone Race 4 consecutive times. Amongst these the boat had a record of 67 consecutive "line honor" finishes. In '98 she was sold to a movie production company for filming a television commercial in Thailand. This was a commercial for a cigarette company in Brazil. The boat's current livery of dragons was added for the making of this commercial. The boat was then sold to Pat McGarry in January of 1999. Since that time Pat and crew on a different path, after many years monohull sailing campaigned her non-stop in the NW....then Pat took another path,sold the big cat and had her delivered to a fellow in Florida....a few years later Pat and a fellow yachtsman out of Victoria brought her back to the NW,and continue to campaign her today.

[kdh]

...he'll have to put a gold ring on the finger and deal with me forever.

I put a gold ring, a plain one, on Ann's finger. Garrison Keillor did our engagement for us, said "From Keith to Ann, my days will be dark without you, please marry me" as part of the news from Lake Wobegon. Ann's dad was listening in his workshop. Wasn't quite sure I'd be engaged as his staff would have to pick my scrap of paper from the basket offered in Amherst, MA. Mostly women said, "Awww." It was touching, even for me, who was very nervous.

We were in grad school then and now we have much more money. Ann's recently traded her gold for a simple silver band, she doesn't wear gold.

Ann and Adele are riding horses in a hunter something, they usually just do dressage. I just had a glass of Alex Gambal.

Anyway, if you're ever out E we'll all take you out on the water, Courtney. Will be fun,

[boomer]

My wife who's father was a jeweler requested a simple gold band which has become worn and thin and is actually more of an oval shape after almost 40 years.A farm girl who rode horses since she was five,I met her in Cold Bay,Alaska...two years later,she trapped me in a narrow hallway and would not let me past...looked me straight in the eye and asked,"what is taking you so long to propose?"....I replied,"Well darling,I'd never planned on getting married,but if you insist,so be it...will you marry me?"

A western rider she took up dressage,which prompted me to acquire a custom Crosby Hunt Saddle,and I never rode western again....diversions can be quite enlightening.

Diversions...Stuart Deal started out with a fiberglass Rawson for commercial fishing,a bare hull which he finished to his liking...he still has this boat which his son fishes in Bristol Bay,next he acquired an aluminum hull,and finally Miss Defiance a wood hull,with an aluminum house....this is the boat that had the stem replaced by the Shipwrights Co-op out of Port Townsend...Stuart and family keep her very shipshape as seen in the video link below, and cruise her north to Cordova for commercial fishing,with a casual return cruise to the Fishermen's Terminal in Ballard.

http://www.king5.com...z-95158379.html

and another rant on Exxon from RJ Kopchak,and on the demise of the herring in Prince William Sound....My old pilebuck buddy Stuart Deal was never fairly compensated by Exxon...the spill probably cost him in excess of $300K...he was finally able to buy a fishing permit in Bristol Bay to continue fishing...his sons still fish one of his boats in Bristol Bay...Stuart has since returned to Cordova fishing the Copper River run...but 3/4 of the fishermen never returned...because the salmon runs in Prince William Sound have never fully recovered.

[kdh]

I like you, Boomer. Good stories, pictures. Sounds like you got a good wife.

On Exxon and corporate responsibility. My own view is that we might return to our capitalist roots. The shareholders of Exxon stock are the company's owners and are responsible for its actions.The profit-motivated CEOs are employed by the company's owners, and as such can care about other than profit. Idealistic and impractical, sure, and there is a place for governments to constrain the profit motive when it comes to the public good like preserving the planet and generally doing what's right.

At a minimum, when we blame a company for something we should know what that means. Not accusing you of otherwise.

Just my thoughts.

Ann likes Stubben saddles, I think. My girls got a beautiful day for riding.

[Amati]

waitaminute...shouldn't we be talking about this in powerboat anarchy?

Quite right. No more suggesting a sailor should buy a powerboat in a freaking sailing forum!

Even the Sliver is going to have an engine and the steaming light required on powerboats.

And on the materials, foam core floats, but has anyone built a boat out of the stuff? You can make a boat out of just fiberglass, just wood, just steel, etc, but the only foam craft of which I am aware barely rate the name of "boat" in my opinion.

Amati is a wood/foam/wood composite. COVE construction. Flame away.

[boomer]

Sounds like you got a good wife.

She always manages to keep things interesting and me on my toes....

On Exxon and corporate responsibility. My own view is that we might return to our capitalist roots. The shareholders of Exxon stock are the company's owners and are responsible for its actions.The profit-motivated CEOs are employed by the company's owners, and as such can care about other than profit. Idealistic and impractical, sure, and there is a place for governments to constrain the profit motive when it comes to the public good like preserving the planet and generally doing what's right.

At a minimum, when we blame a company for something we should know what that means. Not accusing you of otherwise.

Unfortunately as you highlighted, capitalist driven ventures quite often ignore the issues of proper stewardship of the this planet's environment...sad really...

Last year for Exxon/Mobil> "stock buybacks for Q4 were $5.4 billion, and $ 21.60 billion for the year, equivalent to 53 percent of total 2011 profit. This enriches executives, the board of directors, and largest shareholders."

http://thinkprogress...mney/?mobile=nc

Meanwhile the environment and those affected the most suffer.

http://climateforce....012/01/30/1374/

http://thinkprogress...on-earthquakes/

http://checksandbala....org/dashboard/

[Jose Carumba]

waitaminute...shouldn't we be talking about this in powerboat anarchy?

Quite right. No more suggesting a sailor should buy a powerboat in a freaking sailing forum!

Ahh, bringing rules to anarchy...

[kimbottles]

waitaminute...shouldn't we be talking about this in powerboat anarchy?

Quite right. No more suggesting a sailor should buy a powerboat in a freaking sailing forum!

Ahh, bringing rules to anarchy...

We don't need no stinking rules!

[kdh]

On Exxon and corporate responsibility. My own view is that we might return to our capitalist roots. The shareholders of Exxon stock are the company's owners and are responsible for its actions.The profit-motivated CEOs are employed by the company's owners, and as such can care about other than profit. Idealistic and impractical, sure, and there is a place for governments to constrain the profit motive when it comes to the public good like preserving the planet and generally doing what's right.

At a minimum, when we blame a company for something we should know what that means. Not accusing you of otherwise.

Unfortunately as you highlighted, capitalist driven ventures quite often ignore the issues of proper stewardship of the this planet's environment...sad really...

Last year for Exxon/Mobil> "stock buybacks for Q4 were $5.4 billion, and $ 21.60 billion for the year, equivalent to 53 percent of total 2011 profit. This enriches executives, the board of directors, and largest shareholders."

The board benefit only to the extent they're shareholders, and executives only if the board decides to reward them on the basis of the stock price. If the largest shareholders benefit all shareholders do.

I would write simply, "stock buybacks financially benefit shareholders of the company." That benefit is clearly in lieu of something else good/just that could be done. That good, though maybe not financial, also benefits shareholders.

[Paps]

waitaminute...shouldn't we be talking about this in powerboat anarchy?

Quite right. No more suggesting a sailor should buy a powerboat in a freaking sailing forum!

Gotta agree with Paps,Floating Dutchman,Tom Ray and you....it's all good,as long as we know the path we're taking....there is nothing wrong from taking a diversion down a side route...because we might find something quite entertaining that may give us insight from an entirely different perspective....the road least traveled.quite often can be most enlightening.

Pat McGarry has set probably more records here in the NW then anyone with the Formula 40 Dragonfly,used to have quite the interest in river jet boats, beach cats as well as monohull sailing and racing....quite by accident he found Dragonfly in Thailand and his interest in a cruising boat evolved to the huge trawler he maintains in pristine condition with the help of his son Mike....another interesting side note on Dragonfly,her mainbeams were originally the mast of a 12 meter for competing in the America's Cup in Austrailia.

Dragonfly had quite the divergent history as well, built in Australia in 1987 and designed by Scott Jutson. The boat was completed just in time to see the worldwide Formula 40 Racing Circuit die out. The boat was hardly used until 1993 when she was sold to new owners who campaigned the boat extensively. The boat set numerous records in Australia including, Surf to City Race, Gold Coast to Moreton and won the 347nm Brisbane to Gladstone Race 4 consecutive times. Amongst these the boat had a record of 67 consecutive "line honor" finishes. In '98 she was sold to a movie production company for filming a television commercial in Thailand. This was a commercial for a cigarette company in Brazil. The boat's current livery of dragons was added for the making of this commercial. The boat was then sold to Pat McGarry in January of 1999. Since that time Pat and crew on a different path, after many years monohull sailing campaigned her non-stop in the NW....then Pat took another path,sold the big cat and had her delivered to a fellow in Florida....a few years later Pat and a fellow yachtsman out of Victoria brought her back to the NW,and continue to campaign her today.

Great story Boomer. Just one small correction. The City to Surf is a fun run/mini marathon from the Sydney CBD to Bondi beach. Tough course for an F40, mostly upwind.

And yes I do know about the other one.Just couldnt help myself.

[boomer]

Thanks Paps!...for clarification the Surf to City Yacht Race...

A down winder

[boomer]

Dragonfly racing with Dolphins



Dragonfly finishing Leg 3 of the Telus Van Isle 360

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=LU8uySRi39Y

[Amati]

On Exxon and corporate responsibility. My own view is that we might return to our capitalist roots. The shareholders of Exxon stock are the company's owners and are responsible for its actions.The profit-motivated CEOs are employed by the company's owners, and as such can care about other than profit. Idealistic and impractical, sure, and there is a place for governments to constrain the profit motive when it comes to the public good like preserving the planet and generally doing what's right.

At a minimum, when we blame a company for something we should know what that means. Not accusing you of otherwise.

Unfortunately as you highlighted, capitalist driven ventures quite often ignore the issues of proper stewardship of the this planet's environment...sad really...

Last year for Exxon/Mobil> "stock buybacks for Q4 were $5.4 billion, and $ 21.60 billion for the year, equivalent to 53 percent of total 2011 profit. This enriches executives, the board of directors, and largest shareholders."

The board benefit only to the extent they're shareholders, and executives only if the board decides to reward them on the basis of the stock price. If the largest shareholders benefit all shareholders do.

I would write simply, "stock buybacks financially benefit shareholders of the company." That benefit is clearly in lieu of something else good/just that could be done. That good, though maybe not financial, also benefits shareholders.

Restrictions on the tender?

[Amati]

Or perhaps I should say the restriction on the tender by the painter!

That's it!

Col. Klink: Schultz, what do you know?

Sgt. Schultz: I know nothing!

Col. Klink (shaking his fist): Hogan!

[svgreatwhite]

Dragonfly racing with Dolphins

They were playing with the boat I was on that day too, but I was driving at the time and couldn't look around much. Awesome day!

[boomer]

Cool Dan ! Bet you had fun,did you do the whole 360?

[svgreatwhite]

Cool Dan ! Bet you had fun,did you do the whole 360?

Yes, I raced all the legs. I got a ride on a boat from Victoria. I was exhauted afterwards!

[boomer]

What kind of suit did you use on Dragonfly,an insulated one? or did you just wear foulies with layers?

[svgreatwhite]

What kind of suit did you use on Dragonfly,an insulated one? or did you just wear foulies with layers?

No, I was not on Dragonfly. I was on a monohull from Victoria. The guys on Dragonfly said that they were using drysuits.

[boomer]

Sorry for not reading that right,I can be a bit dyslexic at times....that's correct and what Pat says they usually use.

[svgreatwhite]

Sorry for not reading that right....that's what Pat says they usually use.

The leg from Winter Harbor to Ucuelet in the ocean was a beat all night into 25-30 knots. They definatley needed something to wear that would keep them dry. Surprisingly, it did not seem very cold even though it was also raining hard.

[boomer]

Pat says even with dry suits and layered up,it can be tough at times...over the years they've had a few mishaps,some of the worst he said were outside legs of the Van Isle and one of the Swiftsures.

Can't remember if it was the Swiftsure or Van Isle,brought her back to the yard she had a sheered daggerboard--it broke right where it was supposed to---hit a log doing about 30 knots.

[Thorvald]

Maybe I can hijack this back to the original subject, which would be Courtney's boat. If I was picking a boat for Courtney it would be the Nordic 34 that's for sale in 48 North. Not a full keeler but consider, neither was the Islander 30. Might be out of her price range but one of my favorite Perry boats. Bob told in his book how Jack from North Sails Seattle called him up and raved about what a good sailing boat it was. I believe that was when it was an Islander 34, before Nordic picked it up. I think that the Nordic folks gave it a little more sail area.
I haven't even seen one in person but the drawings and pictures I've seen show a really fine looking boat. Bob even told me a little story about wandering around a marina and coming across such a fine looking boat that he wondered what it was, until he realized that it was his own design. Put it another way, it looked so damn good he could hardly believe it!
Wadd'ya think Courtney? There's that competitive side of yours. Just think of all the boats you could outsail!

[Soñadora]

One of my dock neighbors from way back owned a Nordic 34. Like a lot of boats, this one has its zealots. My dock neighbor was not one of them and bitched constantly about how bad the boat was. "Overly tender and hard to balance" was his assessment.

But I take it with a grain of salt since the guy's a bit of a noob. He sold it and bought a Catalina Capri 26. So that right there should tell you something.

[Courtney K]

Thorvold,
If you want to take the forum back to its original purpose, is it called "hijacking?"

The Nordic you pointed out looks to be a great boat, but yes, well out of my price range. That whole money thing, or lacking enough of it, keeps my feet planted in reality. But it's still fun to dream.

There's supposedly a Baba 30 up in Lopez Island which has been neglected for some time. I think the owner is a Dr. Don McAfee of Bellingham. Does anyone here know him?

[PNW Matt B]

There's a very nice Cal 33/34 in Everett for sale at $25k, and that number's soft.

[Bob Perry]

Sons:
The Islander 34/Nordic 34 is one of the best sailing boats I have ever designed. If your dock neighbor had a problem with balancing that boat it certianly was not the boat's problem. And it was never tender.
Joe Golberg, the head of the North Sails loft in Seattle at the time pronounced the boat one of the sweetest sailing boats he had ever sailed. I had known Joe since Jr high and he did not BS me.

That said, I don;t see that boat as the right boat for Courtney. A Baba 30 maybe more her type.

[Courtney K]

That said, I don;t see that boat as the right boat for Courtney. A Baba 30 maybe more her type.

I'm trying to find one I can afford! ARGH! Why do you think it's the right match for me, I'm curious? Maybe I'll just steal one...that would be piratey, after all.

[Thorvald]

That said, I don;t see that boat as the right boat for Courtney. A Baba 30 maybe more her type.

I'm trying to find one I can afford! ARGH! Why do you think it's the right match for me, I'm curious? Maybe I'll just steal one...that would be piratey, after all.

I suspected that one might be out of your price range. I just think it's a great boat and there's not many of them so you probably don't see them for sail much. I think there's only 4 or 5 Nordic 34's.

[Tom Ray]

OK, how about a 1966 Columbia 40 for $3k? Only a few soft spots. You have to come all the way to Sarasota to get it though.

http://fortmyers.cra...3266785728.html

[bljones]

For another thing several kinds of wood don't float.

Like Natalie.











Too soon?

[Soñadora]

Sorry Bob, I'm getting that boat confusled with a different 'Nordic' 34. The one I'm thinking of is a canoe stern with a stern hung rudder and full keel.

Courtney, if you can get me the name of the vessel, we can get you all the particulars (if it's documented).

[Soñadora]

That said, I don;t see that boat as the right boat for Courtney. A Baba 30 maybe more her type.

I'm trying to find one I can afford! ARGH! Why do you think it's the right match for me, I'm curious? Maybe I'll just steal one...that would be piratey, after all.

Maybe there's something about it that says "this would be a great place to write"

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[boomer]

Did you check out the C&C's in the 48 North classified? A 34' for 33K,35' for 35K and a 36' for 38.9K.

[Bob Perry]

Courtney:
I think the pics that Sons posted pretty much say it all. I think you could make a Baba 30 a snug "home" that is also a capable sailboat.
Some of the other boats suggested are, to my eye, a bit sterile in terms of interior ambience, I can't see living inside a milk carton.
That said, there are some very nice stock boats that have well trimmed out interiors.

[Courtney K]

Maybe there's something about it that says "this would be a great place to write"

The interiors are incredible, I know. It's one of the main reasons I want one, a 30 or a 35. My Islander has a nice interior trim, mahogany everywhere, and I love how warm the wood makes the boat feel. Baba is a notch above the rest, in my opinion, regards interiors. I saw one at the rendezvous and was enamored.

Did you check out the C&C's in the 48 North classified? A 34' for 33K,35' for 35K and a 36' for 38.9K.

I've looked at two C&Cs, a 30 and 34. Fine boats, but didn't suit my liveaboard comfort needs. I hear they're terrific racers, but the storage space and tenderness, at least of the two I saw, wouldn't make living aboard as comfortable as I'd like. If I was just interested in buying a boat to sail, however, a C&C would be higher on my list.

Courtney:
I think the pics that Sons posted pretty much say it all. I think you could make a Baba 30 a snug "home" that is also a capable sailboat.
Some of the other boats suggested are, to my eye, a bit sterile in terms of interior ambience, I can't see living inside a milk carton.
That said, there are some very nice stock boats that have well trimmed out interiors.

Agree, agree, agree. Arrr! Did you know that today is Talk Like a Pirate Day? Many of the stock boats have too much whiteness, which is sterile, not enough character, not enough warmth. I'm looking for the coziness factor, the I can't wait to get home to my lovely boat, factor. For that reason most boats, even the best of sailors, don't fill the bill.

[Rasputin22]

Yarrr is the correct term of agreement in Pirate Speak...

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded

[Thorvald]

Maybe there's something about it that says "this would be a great place to write"

The interiors are incredible, I know. It's one of the main reasons I want one, a 30 or a 35. My Islander has a nice interior trim, mahogany everywhere, and I love how warm the wood makes the boat feel. Baba is a notch above the rest, in my opinion, regards interiors. I saw one at the rendezvous and was enamored.

Did you check out the C&C's in the 48 North classified? A 34' for 33K,35' for 35K and a 36' for 38.9K.

I've looked at two C&Cs, a 30 and 34. Fine boats, but didn't suit my liveaboard comfort needs. I hear they're terrific racers, but the storage space and tenderness, at least of the two I saw, wouldn't make living aboard as comfortable as I'd like. If I was just interested in buying a boat to sail, however, a C&C would be higher on my list.

Courtney:
I think the pics that Sons posted pretty much say it all. I think you could make a Baba 30 a snug "home" that is also a capable sailboat.
Some of the other boats suggested are, to my eye, a bit sterile in terms of interior ambience, I can't see living inside a milk carton.
That said, there are some very nice stock boats that have well trimmed out interiors.

Agree, agree, agree. Arrr! Did you know that today is Talk Like a Pirate Day? Many of the stock boats have too much whiteness, which is sterile, not enough character, not enough warmth. I'm looking for the coziness factor, the I can't wait to get home to my lovely boat, factor. For that reason most boats, even the best of sailors, don't fill the bill.

You should really look at the interior pics of the Cal 33 on Craigslist up in Everett. I'd give you a link, but I'm retarded. I'll let Boomer do it.

[boomer]

I know you can do it Thor...but your busy running a business.

http://seattle.craig...3250546362.html

What I always liked about a lot of the Cals was the transverse beam under the mast or post forward and more then a few transverse bulkheads aft.

I didn't follow this thread totally,I noticed Cal 40"s mentioned,great boat and solid build....but what about the mini 40,the Cal 36...lots of wood,especially below...usually in the neighborhood of 35K...but have seen them in the high 20's of 28-29K.

[Ajax]

All boats are compromises in some way.

The Baba 30 has the advantage of being a lot of boat in a 30 foot package. It has the warm interior that you want, it has standing headroom throughout, it has storage. It's also a managable size for one person, and from what people say, they sail well.

My boat isn't "warm" by your definition. It has some wood trim, but it has a lot of faux wood laminate, and a white, fiberglass cabin liner which makes up the sole and the overhead. This has pro's and con's. The big pro is ease of cleaning. A quick wipe down, or even a blast from a hose and it's clean. It also keeps the interior from being too dark, like a tomb. The con is that it looks a little sterile or "production".

I offset the whiteness by adding a throw-rug. I can overcome the faux laminate by installing a real wood laminate. These days, you can buy essentially a thin sheet of wood with adhesive on the back.

Much to my surprise, I have stowage that I haven't even used yet. I have standing headroom in 80% of the boat. I opted for sailing performance over comfort, but only by a small margin.

[Soñadora]

one thing that makes a huge difference is lighting. Those 'accent' lights I have under the side decks make the light much warmer than the typical, glaring dome lights. Highly recommend for any boat.

by the way, those are just renderings.



ha! gotcha!

[Bob Perry]

Rick:
You sure fooled me. I never doubted they were actual pics. When I blow them up I think I can see that they are renderings but had you not told me first I still would not have known.
I mean, look at those pillows!
Nice job pal!

Or, are you pulling my leg?

[Soñadora]

no Bob, they're not...lol

You know, you always said if I commissioned you to design a boat for me, you'd let me design the pillows.

[Paps]

Tom, she's looking for a boat not a life sentence!!

Boomer, I threw this Cal 34 her way @ 8k but no bites. http://www.yachtworl...I/United-States

Bob, I think Sons gazumped you there, get those glasses checked! And take him off your Xmas card list.

Corky, I know its a private thing but maybe some guidance on the approx budget might stop the high ball offerings.

PS I hope you dont mind the nick, my niece shares the name and its an old habit. Actually we Ozzies tend to either add something to the end of a name, like Robbo or Danno or like in my case and yours abbreviate. In my case its Papworth, my surname.

[Paps]

Actually nick names are given not approved of, so if you dont like it, you know what to do. Bob has the T shirt.

[SemiSalt]

Aside from long-range cruising boats, there have been boats designed for living aboard. Here is one by Pete Culler. It's a raised-deck design, 34 feet long, and weighs a whopping 23,400 lbs.

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I'm not sure why Culler thought a gaff topsail ketch was the best rig for a single-hander. Possibly he thought where would be plenty of crew when any serious sailing was in the program. In the write-up, he mentioned "best sail area for the money". The boat was designed for New England winters, with snow. Part of the reason for the heavy displacement is thick planking for its insulation value.

Her backbone is built of three straight timbers. This was common for both strength and economy. You can build a surprisingly curvaceous boat that way. LFH did it. William Garden did it.

Culler's arrangment is shown here. It was for a particular owner, and everything could be rearranged.

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I believe this boat changed hands a couple years ago. She was launched in 1971, so she was over 35 years old at the time, and said to be in need of a serious refit.

[Courtney K]

Tom, she's looking for a boat not a life sentence!!

Boomer, I threw this Cal 34 her way @ 8k but no bites. http://www.yachtworl...I/United-States

Bob, I think Sons gazumped you there, get those glasses checked! And take him off your Xmas card list.

Corky, I know its a private thing but maybe some guidance on the approx budget might stop the high ball offerings.

PS I hope you dont mind the nick, my niece shares the name and its an old habit. Actually we Ozzies tend to either add something to the end of a name, like Robbo or Danno or like in my case and yours abbreviate. In my case its Papworth, my surname.

I honestly can't keep track of all the boats I've searched for, seen, and have had sent to me by others. The Cal 34 looks to be a steal-- if you live where the boat is! Traveling to see it, just to have a look at it, would cost me a small fortune, plus the survey, plus shipping costs. There are plenty of boats in the PNW, and until I've run through every single one of them, I'm not going to be going out of state to get one.

As for budget, I'm still not saying. I am THE used-boat buyer in Puget Sound, which over the past weeks have been confirmed to me, based on the correspondence from boat brokers I'm receiving. They know I'm the serious buyer in the area, and finding out about what I want and what my budget is (if I were to declare it) is only a few google search terms away. So nope, not saying. I think I said it over on Sailnet.com that boats in my price range are 1970s and early 80s, from 30 feet to 40 feet, mostly stock boats. Having said that, though, the market is crap, and it seems most of the boats that are actually selling are being sold at distressed prices. Even classic boats that are tricked out to the nines and "priced to sell" aren't going anywhere. Plus, it's the end of sailing season. All the proverbial negotiation balls are in my court. I'm biding my time to get the best deal I can.

Also, if I don't declare a budget, all you boys here get to think I have lots of money and have fun shopping on my behalf. It's fun to pretend money isn't an issue, and why would I take that away from you guys?

Nicknames, I'm fine with them, but it seems they're not a choice anyway! I have a friend who calls me "Courtster" and have been called, a few times, "CourtLove" based on that crazy chick who shares my name. Corky is fine though it rhymes with Porky. I'm not overweight, so if people wanted to call me Corky Porky I wouldn't care.

Aside from long-range cruising boats, there have been boats designed for living aboard. Here is one by Pete Culler. It's a raised-deck design, 34 feet long, and weighs a whopping 23,400 lbs.

 Culler Liveaboard- Profile.gif   34.69K   26 downloads

I'm not sure why Culler thought a gaff topsail ketch was the best rig for a single-hander. Possibly he thought where would be plenty of crew when any serious sailing was in the program. In the write-up, he mentioned "best sail area for the money". The boat was designed for New England winters, with snow. Part of the reason for the heavy displacement is thick planking for its insulation value.

That looks to be a pretty boat, if not a high maintenance sailer. Often when I would single hand, typically in decent, consistent winds, I found myself looking for something to do. Perhaps that's the reason it's gaff rigged? More to adjust, more to do?

[Occams Razor]

Courtney, I know you're a swoopy lines kinda person, but have you thought about a classic multi?

I've been giving this one a look over. Looks like it's near the end of a refit (new engine) and the owners ended up buying something bigger and moving on.

http://www.multihull..._Trimaran/Aukai

[SemiSalt]

That looks to be a pretty boat, if not a high maintenance sailer. Often when I would single hand, typically in decent, consistent winds, I found myself looking for something to do. Perhaps that's the reason it's gaff rigged? More to adjust, more to do?

I doubt that was the reason. I think it had more to do with the economics of boatbuilding in New England in 1970. Also the preferences of someone who would go to Culler for a design. Culler wrote that the boat was meant to be steady on the helm so captain could let go of the tiller long enough to trim a sail, and maybe even to go below to refill his coffee cup.

Do you have a preference between one completely open cabin vs. a saloon plus separate stateroom? Of the relatively small number of boats I've been aboard, the ones that struck me as liveaboard material had separate aft cabins. E.g. Gulfstar 40, Beneteau 345. But that could lead to a cold bedroom in the winter.

On the other hand, the shortest boat I know that would seem reasonable is my friend's Atlantic City 24 catboat. It has standing headroom and a very workable interior, all in one space where a heater would warm everything. Not a singlehander, though.

FWIW, designer Roger Long has cruised up and down the east coast in an Endeavor 32. That's a Ted Irwin design.

[Tom Ray]

Tom, she's looking for a boat not a life sentence!!

So I shouldn't bring up the Islander 30 for $3500 down the street? No connection, just a fairly routine browser malfunction that seems to direct me to the craigslist boats when I should be working. I figured as long as I noticed it...

[Soñadora]

Buyer can work on her at the dock free for a few weeks

Give or take a year

It's a good thing I don't live anywhere where there's derelict boats I can buy.

[Paps]

Tom, she's looking for a boat not a life sentence!!

So I shouldn't bring up the Islander 30 for $3500 down the street? No connection, just a fairly routine browser malfunction that seems to direct me to the craigslist boats when I should be working. I figured as long as I noticed it...

Not unless you wear the skitzo Ronald MacDonald outfit.

[Tom Ray]

Hey, don't bother me about my work clothes!

[Steam Flyer]

Hey, don't bother me about my work clothes!

Doesn't look like you're getting much work done there either, at least not at that moment

Just sayin'


FB- Doug

[jackdaw]

Tom, she's looking for a boat not a life sentence!!

So I shouldn't bring up the Islander 30 for $3500 down the street? No connection, just a fairly routine browser malfunction that seems to direct me to the craigslist boats when I should be working. I figured as long as I noticed it...

It seems that whenever a seller mentions that a boat in question as 'never been sunk' it kinda looks like it has.

[Soñadora]

Tom, she's looking for a boat not a life sentence!!

So I shouldn't bring up the Islander 30 for $3500 down the street? No connection, just a fairly routine browser malfunction that seems to direct me to the craigslist boats when I should be working. I figured as long as I noticed it...

It seems that whenever a seller mentions that a boat in question as 'never been sunk' it kinda looks like it has.

define 'sunk', I mean, y'know...there's a lot of interperetations of that particular aspect of a 'boat'

[slap]

Tom, she's looking for a boat not a life sentence!!

So I shouldn't bring up the Islander 30 for $3500 down the street? No connection, just a fairly routine browser malfunction that seems to direct me to the craigslist boats when I should be working. I figured as long as I noticed it...

It seems that whenever a seller mentions that a boat in question as 'never been sunk' it kinda looks like it has.

define 'sunk', I mean, y'know...there's a lot of interperetations of that particular aspect of a 'boat'

There was an S2 centercockpit boat that had been on the hard for several years. It ended up with a couple of feet of water in it - I guess the owner never checked up on it.

[Paps]

Yeah but it didnt sink did it, technically!

[Courtney K]

I sent an email to Charlie Cobra's outfit asking if he was interested in taking my Islander and eventually restoring it to glory. So far I havent' heard back. This is my last ditch effort to have the Islander saved. I'm finding that stripping her of her parts is practically impossible for me. I sold the kerosene cooking system, but I hated that stove, and will be selling off the generator and dinghy, but giving up integral parts of my ship...well, I'm stalling.

What I want is to sell this boat for a good price to a shipwright, novice, intermediate, expert, doesn't matter. Someone who wants to work on the boat on his or her own time, no rush. Could be a learning experience. Heck, if I had a place to store the boat for a minimum price, I'd try working on the boat myself. She has a bigger hold on my heart than I thought. The idea of her being smashed or sunk or whatever it is that's done to broken boats...no way, I don't want that.

If that shipwright decides to sell the boat after it's restored, I'd love the first chance to buy it back. Does anyone here know of someone in the PNW who might be interested in the above scenario?

[CharlieCobra]

Courtney, we are unable to take ya up on the offer, sorry. Not for lack of interest but funding and the fact I have four boats in the yard now that are projects.

[Courtney K]

Thanks anyway, Charlie. I'd heard from many folks that you did great work, and I wanted my girl in good hands! If you know of anyone who might want the boat, let me know.

[CharlieCobra]

My Nephew, who came up from Texas to work for us is dreaming of buying a fixable boat to live aboard. Unfortunately, he's as broke as everybody else. If I didn't have over 30K hung out in non paying boats, I would be interested. As it is, we are rather lean at the moment. I'm gonna take this offline with ya..

[Balder]

http://bellingham.cr...3310357050.html

Try this guy

[Balder]

also here is one to check out

http://bellingham.cr...3257914499.html

I'm from bellingham, but am kind of far away now or I would check it out for you.

always thought these where kinda interesting, but doesnt suit my purposes.

http://bellingham.cr...3304695309.html

[hobot]

Courtney, what did you end up doing to cover that hole?

[SayGudday]

From reading your blog, Courtney, it seems like you might be considering getting off the water and moving back to land? Say it isn't so!

[Ishmael]

From reading your blog, Courtney, it seems like you might be considering getting off the water and moving back to land? Say it isn't so!

There you go, she's playing with our hearts again. I feel so cheap, so used.

[Paps]

also here is one to check out

http://bellingham.cr...3257914499.html

I'm from bellingham, but am kind of far away now or I would check it out for you.

always thought these where kinda interesting, but doesnt suit my purposes.

http://bellingham.cr...3304695309.html

A Formosa 41..........Noooooooooooo. Unless you want to work on it the rest of your like.

That is the ugliest cabin rebuild I have ever seen, did they forget the windows?

[boomer]

http://bellingham.cr...3304695309.html
Any Formosa..........Noooooooooooo. Unless you want to work on it the rest of your like.

That should be considered a public service announcement!

With the exception of the Formosa/Peterson 44 or Formosa/Peterson 46....naw...get a Kelly Peterson 44 or 46.

http://www.jordanyac...m/archives/1987

http://www.kp44.org/

[Paps]

In the 1970′s, Jack Kelly was a San Diego, California yacht broker. Seeing what all his clients were looking for, he decided to build the perfect boat. He joined with designer Doug Peterson famous from racing designs such as the Van De Stadt’s Storm Vogel.

Where do the brokers come up with this shit SV was commissioned in '61. And the cheer squad picked it up and ran it another step!

Doug Peterson is one of the US' most famous yacht designers of the 1960's, 1970's, and 1980's. In the late 1960's, he designed Stormvogel and Ticonderoga, two of the most successful maxis of their era (Stormvogel has been operated as a charter boat in Asia over the past few years - we saw her in Phuket). His biggest successes were probably the IOR boats he designed in conjunction with Ron Holland during the 1970's and early 1980's which included high profile racers like Ganbare, Gumboots, Imp, Eclipse, Yena, Rubin, Ragamuffin, and Moonshine.

[kimbottles]

In the 1970&prime;s, Jack Kelly was a San Diego, California yacht broker. Seeing what all his clients were looking for, he decided to build the perfect boat. He joined with designer Doug Peterson famous from racing designs such as the Van De Stadt&rsquo;s Storm Vogel.

Where do the brokers come up with this shit SV was commissioned in '61. And the cheer squad picked it up and ran it another step!

Doug Peterson is one of the US' most famous yacht designers of the 1960's, 1970's, and 1980's. In the late 1960's, he designed Stormvogel and Ticonderoga, two of the most successful maxis of their era (Stormvogel has been operated as a charter boat in Asia over the past few years - we saw her in Phuket). His biggest successes were probably the IOR boats he designed in conjunction with Ron Holland during the 1970's and early 1980's which included high profile racers like Ganbare, Gumboots, Imp, Eclipse, Yena, Rubin, Ragamuffin, and Moonshine.

It is not nice to insult LFH.

Which yacht broker is the offender?

[boomer]

Choice Paps....ain't that a joke!

As LFH said, advertisers major is deception and minor in mis-representation....or something to that effect...and apparently so do some brokers.

[sailglobal]

There's no way Doug would make claims like that.

[steele]

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Not sure if Courtney is still looking, and I know she can scan CR on her own, but this popped up recently,
http://seattle.craig...3319391736.html
Perry boat that looks good for a live aboard, nice wood interior with lots of room. The price is low, perhaps too low indicating it may need more work than he lets on, but it also sounds negotiable. Perhaps it is worth a look, especialy with live aboard moorage available for this winter. It may be at the upper limit for single handing depending on the set up, and I know the pilot house is not a first choice.

[Bob Perry]

I think that's a Polaris 43. Those boats were built wthout my permission and I received no royalties. They had an odd cabin trunk deck joint that usually required a total rebuild of the house. Some have had nice rebuilds. The hull is essentially a Valiant 40 with an additional 12" of freeboard.
I think It's too big for Courtney and I would not recommend it at all.

[steele]

Sorry to hear about the pirated design, I did not know that was the case. It did seem pretty big.

[Beer Fueled Mayhem]

http://seattle.craig...3284923077.html

Buddy of mine owns this. Great guy. Keeps his shit up nice. Probably some wiggle room in the price. They just had a new baby and are out of room.

Sorry if it has already been posted.

[Ishmael]

http://seattle.craig...3284923077.html

Buddy of mine owns this. Great guy. Keeps his shit up nice. Probably some wiggle room in the price. They just had a new baby and are out of room.

Sorry if it has already been posted.

I think that's a bit out of Courtney's price range. Double the price and drop a zero, maybe...

[Paps]

In the 1970′s, Jack Kelly was a San Diego, California yacht broker. Seeing what all his clients were looking for, he decided to build the perfect boat. He joined with designer Doug Peterson famous from racing designs such as the Van De Stadt’s Storm Vogel.

Where do the brokers come up with this shit SV was commissioned in '61. And the cheer squad picked it up and ran it another step!

Doug Peterson is one of the US' most famous yacht designers of the 1960's, 1970's, and 1980's. In the late 1960's, he designed Stormvogel and Ticonderoga, two of the most successful maxis of their era (Stormvogel has been operated as a charter boat in Asia over the past few years - we saw her in Phuket). His biggest successes were probably the IOR boats he designed in conjunction with Ron Holland during the 1970's and early 1980's which included high profile racers like Ganbare, Gumboots, Imp, Eclipse, Yena, Rubin, Ragamuffin, and Moonshine.

It is not nice to insult LFH.

Which yacht broker is the offender?

Kim, the first one is Richard Jordan of Jordan Yachts, the second and most outrageous is from a Formosa 46 blog "redwings". Someone posts something false, it gets repeated and embellished and viola we have a new truth. Its on the internet.

[kimbottles]

Thanks Paps

[Paps]

Dumb thing is, the dates are so wrong. Storm Vogel is closest but Doug was only 16.

Second thing is DP's resume does not require padding! The guy cut a wide swathe as a hippy yacht designer and is way fucking cool in my book.

[Courtney K]

From reading your blog, Courtney, it seems like you might be considering getting off the water and moving back to land? Say it isn't so!

There you go, she's playing with our hearts again. I feel so cheap, so used.

I am moving back to land, as I found a place to housesit from the end of October to the beginning of May! The people I'm sitting for are fleeing to Arizona, but they're also sailors. They have a Nautilus 36. Anyway, moving ashore means I'll be dry this winter, will be able to bake goodies for the holidays, wash clothes in my own home, and kick my feet up and watch as the storms come in, but not have to deal with them. Yes, I'm looking forward to modern conveniences and handy appliances. I'm still not sure what I'll do come May, but at least now I have more time to plan/stall/make up my mind.

I just received a sweet care package from Boomberries in the form of almost brand new foulies, and I'm eager to use them in a race. My next scheduled race is the Sloop Tavern Regatta on October 20th, and I'm hoping for killer wind. The wind of late has been spectacular and more than once I've allowed the grief to consume me--I miss sailing my Libby. I badly want to go solo-sailing again, and on my own boat.

A man came by and took a look at my boat, asking if it was for sale. He gave me a call on Saturday wanting to know more about it, and I returned his call (got the VM). It's possible I'll be able to sale the boat as is in total, thereby saving me the pain of stripping her down. If this deal falls through, I might have other options in the works...

[Tom Ray]

Where is the Nautilus 36? And doesn't it need a babysitter too?

[SayGudday]

From reading your blog, Courtney, it seems like you might be considering getting off the water and moving back to land? Say it isn't so!

There you go, she's playing with our hearts again. I feel so cheap, so used.

I am moving back to land, as I found a place to housesit from the end of October to the beginning of May! The people I'm sitting for are fleeing to Arizona, but they're also sailors. They have a Nautilus 36. Anyway, moving ashore means I'll be dry this winter, will be able to bake goodies for the holidays, wash clothes in my own home, and kick my feet up and watch as the storms come in, but not have to deal with them. Yes, I'm looking forward to modern conveniences and handy appliances. I'm still not sure what I'll do come May, but at least now I have more time to plan/stall/make up my mind.

I just received a sweet care package from Boomberries in the form of almost brand new foulies, and I'm eager to use them in a race. My next scheduled race is the Sloop Tavern Regatta on October 20th, and I'm hoping for killer wind. The wind of late has been spectacular and more than once I've allowed the grief to consume me--I miss sailing my Libby. I badly want to go solo-sailing again, and on my own boat.

A man came by and took a look at my boat, asking if it was for sale. He gave me a call on Saturday wanting to know more about it, and I returned his call (got the VM). It's possible I'll be able to sale the boat as is in total, thereby saving me the pain of stripping her down. If this deal falls through, I might have other options in the works...

Staying dry. Baking. Comfortable. Modern conveniences.....Where's the fun in any of that? ;P

[U20guy2]

If anything Courtney it buys you time to find that perfect boat! Enjoy the winter and stick to your guns regarding the boat shopping plan.
Let us know how it goes!

[Courtney K]

Where is the Nautilus 36? And doesn't it need a babysitter too?

It's in Bremerton, and I asked the owners the same thing: "Does your boat need sailing while you're gone?" I'll get a chance to see it in a couple of weeks. Good folks, I'm glad I found them and their comfortable abode.