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Posted 21 August 2012 - 11:21 AM

New Owner Dennis Conner Enters J/105 North American Championship The J/105 Class has a new boat owner that maybe you've heard of-Dennis Conner-who was recently named America's Greatest Sailor by the membership of US Sailing. Conner is the new owner of J/105 hull #3, now called DC's Pholly. In an interview with the J/105 Class, he shared his thoughts on his newest fleet as well as his sailing career. When asked what led him to purchase a J/105, his answer was clear-the 2012 J/105 North American Championship at San Diego Yacht Club this October 17-21. He summed it up simply, "I like to race, and this is a chance to race against friends, like Dennis and Sharon Case." Long-time members of the J/105 Class, the Case Family actively campaigns Wings, and as Conner's neighbor, just might have had a little influence on DC's recent purchase. "Case is the favorite to win the championship," Conner said proudly of his friend. Although he has yet to race on a J/105, Conner plans to learn his way around DC's Pholly in the coming weeks prior to the North American Championship. With almost 700 J/105s in existence, hull #3 has obviously been around for a while. Does DC's Pholly need a little TLC? "It needs a little help because it hasn't been sailed much," he admitted. "Our local fleet takes excellent care of their boats, so I'll have to get mine up to those standards. They are such beautiful boats." Conner noted that J/105 Fleet 8 has a reputation for its intensity, and he commended the Class for its favorable reputation. "The boats hold their value quite well, which is a testament to the Class." Regatta participation has gone down in many classes over the past year or two, but Conner complemented the J/105 Class for holding its own compared to other fleets. "The J/105s really are a robust Class. We've seen the Etchells fleet drop locally from 45 to 12, but not the J/105s." He called out two primary factors in the current struggle facing many fleets and yacht clubs in maintaining members and participation-time and money. "With two people working, not everyone has the time it takes to be competitive." In his opinion, the J/105 Class has built-in cost control with its sail purchase limits, plus used boat prices are very reasonable. "This bodes well for the J/105 Class." In a career with a plethora of achievements, three particular accomplishments stick out in Conner's mind. "Winning the Star Worlds in 1977 with 89 boats," he recalled. "It was in Kiel, Germany, and we won every race." And it would be hard not to recall the four America's Cup victories and a bronze medal from the 1976 Olympics. "Winning the bronze was really special. Getting a medal around your neck while hearing the Star Spangled Banner is something I'll never forget." The champion was quick to tip his cap to a few other fellow contestants, including Buddy Melges, runner-up in the "America's Greatest Sailor" contest, and legendary Lowell North. "I really look up to Lowell North," Conner commended. "Imagine, four Star National Championships and being the world's best sailmaker. He is my hero." Conner is registered for the J/105 North American Championship, and predicted entrants will see ideal conditions on the race course with steady Southwest breezes of 7-14 knots. He also expects stellar shoreside activities at the San Diego Yacht Club. As far as his own expectations, "I'm not sure what to expect. I'm realistic, and my goal is to be competitive and enjoy the regatta. I'm just excited to be part of it!" And so is the J/105 fleet!

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:22 PM

could ya use a smaller font ??

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:40 PM

Will get back to you on this as soon as I find a fking magnifier. ;)

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 01:42 PM

Getting a big name like DC in your class is never a 100% bad thing. One interesting aspect will be DC's knack for boat prep/ tricking out / rule flaunting. Several 105 class rules could come into play here.

Will DC be taking the owner's credit at weigh in?

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:04 PM

Will get back to you on this as soon as I find a fking magnifier. ;)


I Blame this new forum upgrade.......so in effect, blame the Ed.... B)

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:05 PM

Getting a big name like DC in your class is never a 100% bad thing. One interesting aspect will be DC's knack for boat prep/ tricking out / rule flaunting. Several 105 class rules could come into play here.

Will DC be taking the owner's credit at weigh in?


he better. That's better than a diet. (IIRC skipper's weight credit is 225lbs.)

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 02:36 PM

"Will DC be taking the owner's credit at weigh in?" (ratm)

Is this the beginning of a new fad diet? The "DC weightloss method"!

I know some other guys who could use this...

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:00 PM

I still have to go with Charlie Barr for the title of America's Greatest Sailor, sorry Dennis.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:05 PM

According to Dean...
http://valenciasaili...est-sailor.html
Russell might disagree too having more AC wins than Dennis.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:11 PM

Does Espo approve?

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:40 PM

Let's try this....

New Owner Dennis Conner Enters J/105 North American Championship

The J/105 Class has a new boat owner that maybe you've heard of-Dennis Conner-who was recently named America's Greatest Sailor by the membership of US Sailing. Conner is the new owner of J/105 hull #3, now called DC's Pholly. In an interview with the J/105 Class, he shared his thoughts on his newest fleet as well as his sailing career. When asked what led him to purchase a J/105, his answer was clear-the 2012 J/105 North American Championship at San Diego Yacht Club this October 17-21. He summed it up simply, "I like to race, and this is a chance to race against friends, like Dennis and Sharon Case."

Long-time members of the J/105 Class, the Case Family actively campaigns Wings, and as Conner's neighbor, just might have had a little influence on DC's recent purchase. "Case is the favorite to win the championship," Conner said proudly of his friend. Although he has yet to race on a J/105, Conner plans to learn his way around DC's Pholly in the coming weeks prior to the North American Championship. With almost 700 J/105s in existence, hull #3 has obviously been around for a while. Does DC's Pholly need a little TLC? "It needs a little help because it hasn't been sailed much," he admitted. "Our local fleet takes excellent care of their boats, so I'll have to get mine up to those standards. They are such beautiful boats."

Conner noted that J/105 Fleet 8 has a reputation for its intensity, and he commended the Class for its favorable reputation. "The boats hold their value quite well, which is a testament to the Class." Regatta participation has gone down in many classes over the past year or two, but Conner complemented the J/105 Class for holding its own compared to other fleets. "The J/105s really are a robust Class. We've seen the Etchells fleet drop locally from 45 to 12, but not the J/105s." He called out two primary factors in the current struggle facing many fleets and yacht clubs in maintaining members and participation-time and money. "With two people working, not everyone has the time it takes to be competitive."

In his opinion, the J/105 Class has built-in cost control with its sail purchase limits, plus used boat prices are very reasonable. "This bodes well for the J/105 Class." In a career with a plethora of achievements, three particular accomplishments stick out in Conner's mind. "Winning the Star Worlds in 1977 with 89 boats," he recalled. "It was in Kiel, Germany, and we won every race." And it would be hard not to recall the four America's Cup victories and a bronze medal from the 1976 Olympics. "Winning the bronze was really special. Getting a medal around your neck while hearing the Star Spangled Banner is something I'll never forget."

The champion was quick to tip his cap to a few other fellow contestants, including Buddy Melges, runner-up in the "America's Greatest Sailor" contest, and legendary Lowell North. "I really look up to Lowell North," Conner commended. "Imagine, four Star National Championships and being the world's best sailmaker. He is my hero." Conner is registered for the J/105 North American Championship, and predicted entrants will see ideal conditions on the race course with steady Southwest breezes of 7-14 knots. He also expects stellar shoreside activities at the San Diego Yacht Club. As far as his own expectations, "I'm not sure what to expect. I'm realistic, and my goal is to be competitive and enjoy the regatta. I'm just excited to be part of it!"

And so is the J/105 fleet!

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:43 PM

According to Dean...
http://valenciasaili...est-sailor.html
Russell might disagree too having more AC wins than Dennis.


Don't quite see why the views of the Kiwis Dean Barker or Russell Coutts have any relevance to a debate about who's the greatest American sailor.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 04:58 PM

I still have to go with Charlie Barr for the title of America's Greatest Sailor, sorry Dennis.

You do know that Charlie Barr was Scottish?

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:14 PM

The reason for the Etchells going from 45 to 12 (it's more than that) in San Diego was that Worlds were here in 2011. People came from all over to race here for the year + leading up to the Championship. It's the same reason that the J105 is doing well in San Diego right now. Wait until after the NA's and you will see a huge drop in numbers. It's normal for any fleet. There are still over 40 Etchells in San Diego and the numbers racing fluctuate by season and conditions and other races going on around the world. DC had not raced Etchells in years and came out for the 14 months leading to the Worlds and then has not steped foot on one locally since. The same will happen in the J105. It's great to have him on the race course and I've been lucky enough to race against him in many classes, but for him to say the Etchells are dead in San Diego is like saying that the weather sucks here also.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:16 PM

"america's greatest sailboat"...thanks for the lolz

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:16 PM

I would imagine that it would be quite unforgettable to have an Olympic medal around one's neck as your national anthem is played, but that's not something that Dennis has experienced, unless he was a temporary citizen of Sweden that day. Sweden took the gold; USA took the bronze in the Tempests, with the USSR taking the silver. Not to denigrate the bronze, I'm just sayin'...

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:16 PM

I still have to go with Charlie Barr for the title of America's Greatest Sailor, sorry Dennis.


And I have to agree. With Lowell North or Peter Barrett coming in behind Charlie. Bear in mind: it was DC who lost America's Cup.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:17 PM

Ummm - "Winning the bronze was really special. Getting a medal around your neck while hearing the Star Spangled Banner is something I'll never forget." Do they play the national anthem for the bronze?

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:20 PM

You do know that Charlie Barr was Scottish?

Born Scottish, took American citizenship, died and is buried in Southampton (UK).

http://query.nytimes...9679C946096D6CF

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:22 PM


According to Dean...
http://valenciasaili...est-sailor.html
Russell might disagree too having more AC wins than Dennis.


Don't quite see why the views of the Kiwis Dean Barker or Russell Coutts have any relevance to a debate about who's the greatest American sailor.


foreigner the lot B)

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:28 PM


I still have to go with Charlie Barr for the title of America's Greatest Sailor, sorry Dennis.


And I have to agree. With Lowell North or Peter Barrett coming in behind Charlie. Bear in mind: it was DC who lost Kicked America's Cup in the Arse bringing it to a Professional level where some can makes Millions off those spending Billions as well as setting it free from the death grip of the NYYC



fixed

other than that he's the only person to ever lose the AC 2X

Oh and the only person to have won the Cup or even a single AC race in a Winged Catamaran

that record shall fall next year but for 25 years it stuck ;) .

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:31 PM

Getting a big name like DC in your class is never a 100% bad thing. One interesting aspect will be DC's knack for boat prep/ tricking out / rule flaunting. Several 105 class rules could come into play here.

Will DC be taking the owner's credit at weigh in?


More importantly, being a prescrimp boat , it is probably underweight and needs lead added. He's got to make sure that's been done.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:35 PM


Getting a big name like DC in your class is never a 100% bad thing. One interesting aspect will be DC's knack for boat prep/ tricking out / rule flaunting. Several 105 class rules could come into play here.

Will DC be taking the owner's credit at weigh in?


More importantly, being a prescrimp boat , it is probably underweight and needs lead added. He's got to make sure that's been done.


funny that DoRag not posting as someone preps a J105 for the NAC ????

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 05:37 PM

the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:00 PM

the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:08 PM


the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.


that boat is already very cherried out from when it won the Lipton Cup a few years ago. very very fast boat. however, if I recall, SDYC was basically told "you can keep the trophy, but use a different boat next time" due to measurement irregularities

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:16 PM

So I am realizing this thread isn't about Reid Stowe buying a new boat then.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:17 PM



the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.


that boat is already very cherried out from when it won the Lipton Cup a few years ago. very very fast boat. however, if I recall, SDYC was basically told "you can keep the trophy, but use a different boat next time" due to measurement irregularities

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.


forgot the kelp ;)

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:18 PM

JUST FOUND OUT I'M BLIND CANNOT READ SHIT ANYMORE....

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:37 PM




the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.


that boat is already very cherried out from when it won the Lipton Cup a few years ago. very very fast boat. however, if I recall, SDYC was basically told "you can keep the trophy, but use a different boat next time" due to measurement irregularities

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.


forgot the kelp ;)


ah yes the kelp.
and no more Santana's burritos
and it's still 2 hours to the racecourse
and everyone freaks out if it blows over 15
did I miss anything Woodrow? The Boll Weevil is still there, isn't it?

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 06:59 PM

I would imagine that it would be quite unforgettable to have an Olympic medal around one's neck as your national anthem is played, but that's not something that Dennis has experienced, unless he was a temporary citizen of Sweden that day. Sweden took the gold; USA took the bronze in the Tempests, with the USSR taking the silver. Not to denigrate the bronze, I'm just sayin'...

Just to give him the benefit of the doubt... Who won the gold in his class that year?? Perhaps we got 2 medals that yr...??

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:13 PM


I would imagine that it would be quite unforgettable to have an Olympic medal around one's neck as your national anthem is played, but that's not something that Dennis has experienced, unless he was a temporary citizen of Sweden that day. Sweden took the gold; USA took the bronze in the Tempests, with the USSR taking the silver. Not to denigrate the bronze, I'm just sayin'...

Just to give him the benefit of the doubt... Who won the gold in his class that year?? Perhaps we got 2 medals that yr...??

OOP read the above wrong... Didn't realize he got it in the tempest... Move on nothing to see here.... :)

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 07:34 PM

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.


No shit.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:05 PM




the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.


that boat is already very cherried out from when it won the Lipton Cup a few years ago. very very fast boat. however, if I recall, SDYC was basically told "you can keep the trophy, but use a different boat next time" due to measurement irregularities

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.


forgot the kelp ;)


Yuck.

I did buy a lottery ticket today though. Would be pretty cool to take a road trip just to foul DC. Our boat is older and light as well.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:07 PM





the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.


that boat is already very cherried out from when it won the Lipton Cup a few years ago. very very fast boat. however, if I recall, SDYC was basically told "you can keep the trophy, but use a different boat next time" due to measurement irregularities

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.


forgot the kelp ;)


Yuck.

I did buy a lottery ticket today though. Would be pretty cool to take a road trip just to foul DC.


that's the J105 spirit!

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:16 PM

DC is a fat old man, the 105 is a great fat old man's boat nuf said
(this coming from another fat old man)

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 08:19 PM


According to Dean...
http://valenciasaili...est-sailor.html
Russell might disagree too having more AC wins than Dennis.


Don't quite see why the views of the Kiwis Dean Barker or Russell Coutts have any relevance to a debate about who's the greatest American sailor.

Whoops, you're right, sorry...

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:39 PM





the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.


that boat is already very cherried out from when it won the Lipton Cup a few years ago. very very fast boat. however, if I recall, SDYC was basically told "you can keep the trophy, but use a different boat next time" due to measurement irregularities

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.


forgot the kelp ;)


Yuck.

I did buy a lottery ticket today though. Would be pretty cool to take a road trip just to foul DC. Our boat is older and light as well.


our boat is even older than your and just as light ;-) 187lbs. of lead is all it took to weigh in

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:41 PM

When you say you're money is with DC, I assume you mean Dennis Chase and Wings, correct!!

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:50 PM

When you say you're money is with DC, I assume you mean Dennis Chase and Wings, correct!!


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Posted 21 August 2012 - 10:55 PM



the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.


that boat is already very cherried out from when it won the Lipton Cup a few years ago. very very fast boat. however, if I recall, SDYC was basically told "you can keep the trophy, but use a different boat next time" due to measurement irregularities

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.

And that is an interesting rumor, though not true. The boat is fine, it measures fine,and no one had a problem with it. The last time that it won was 2002 (pre scale) which was the second year in the J105 and hull 45 won it the year after and again in 2008.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 11:20 PM

our boat is even older than your and just as light ;-) 187lbs. of lead is all it took to weigh in


We hold more than that.. and we're dry.

800# in corrector weight for Conner's boat? Is that in pounds? That can't be real.

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Posted 21 August 2012 - 11:53 PM


I still have to go with Charlie Barr for the title of America's Greatest Sailor, sorry Dennis.


And I have to agree. With Lowell North or Peter Barrett coming in behind Charlie. Bear in mind: it was DC who lost America's Cup.


The only thing better than losing the America's Cup is losing it and winning it back. Or so I've heard....

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 12:33 AM

Tuesday SA Oxford-style debate: "This house believes that a J105 can plane even with DC in it"

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 12:35 AM

I would put my money on DC for sure. The guy sails his 100 year old 5 knot shit box and beats the shit out of the competition. Step up to a 7 knot shit box and... pretty sure he will do well. good on ya Dennis, racing has slid without the likes of Dennis ripp'in it up a big regatta and tell'in it like it is to the "stuffed shirts" in the tent...

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:52 AM

What has he been sailing up until this point?

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:55 PM

What has he been sailing up until this point?


how much time do you have ?

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:08 PM

[ . . ] I assume you mean Dennis Chase and Wings, correct!!


That would be Dennis and Sharon Case, not Chase. And you better mention Sharon or you will suffer.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:02 PM

hull #3 pre-scrimp boat, he's on the right track, anyone know if it's a tiller or wheel?

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:14 PM

Ummm - "Winning the bronze was really special. Getting a medal around your neck while hearing the Star Spangled Banner is something I'll never forget." Do they play the national anthem for the bronze?


Yes.

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:34 PM


[ . . ] I assume you mean Dennis Chase and Wings, correct!!


That would be Sharon and Dennis Case, not Chase. And you better mention Sharon or you will suffer.

fixed B)


Two Great People

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:39 PM

What has he been sailing up until this point?


Recently? Farr 60 (Stars & Stripes), his older schooner, and a bunch of one design, haveing won at least one race in Etchells World's llast year (IIRC)

Woody could probably do a better list.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 04:12 AM


What has he been sailing up until this point?


Recently? Farr 60 (Stars & Stripes), his older schooner, and a bunch of one design, haveing won at least one race in Etchells World's llast year (IIRC)

Woody could probably do a better list.


Somewhere, SA forums have discussed how DC once made improvements to a Soveral 33 and raced it successfully. Same for a Choate 27.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 03:40 PM





the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.


that boat is already very cherried out from when it won the Lipton Cup a few years ago. very very fast boat. however, if I recall, SDYC was basically told "you can keep the trophy, but use a different boat next time" due to measurement irregularities

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.


forgot the kelp ;)


ah yes the kelp.
and no more Santana's burritos
and it's still 2 hours to the racecourse
and everyone freaks out if it blows over 15
did I miss anything Woodrow? The Boll Weevil is still there, isn't it?


Don't forget the Boobie Trap - best dinner in town!

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 12:16 AM





the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.


that boat is already very cherried out from when it won the Lipton Cup a few years ago. very very fast boat. however, if I recall, SDYC was basically told "you can keep the trophy, but use a different boat next time" due to measurement irregularities

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.


ah yes the kelp.
and no more Santana's burritos
and it's still 2 hours to the racecourse
and everyone freaks out if it blows over 15
did I miss anything Woodrow? The Boll Weevil is still there, isn't it?


Don't forget the Boobie Trap - best dinner in town!


shouldn't you be under there long-Long-Boarding

you know he reads these 105 threads of late

any truth to the rumor of an 800lb fin being fitted to the bulb and weight & float-line now perfect w/no weights ???


Magic i tell ya - Magic :)

Oh and what about your patented balsa-wood shife'er door :o :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 12:09 PM

We have had a DoRag sighting.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 01:54 PM



the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.


that boat is already very cherried out from when it won the Lipton Cup a few years ago. very very fast boat. however, if I recall, SDYC was basically told "you can keep the trophy, but use a different boat next time" due to measurement irregularities

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.


Ahhhhh, actually no. It is true that Pholly won the Lipton in '02, but at that time it was acceptable to add all the corrector weights directly over the keel. The boat was very fast in that "configuration." The 800# corrector weights (as I recall) placed over the keel was truly a Rule mistake. This was brought to the attention of the Class officials before the regatta, however, those lightweights thought the issue was minor. Then Pholly cleaned house against a very good fleet. The Class officials then relooked at the issue and said, "gee, maybe the weight concentration does enhance speed." So they changed the rule and mandated that corrector weights be redistributed over the entire length of the boat.

Guess what - after that Pholly was only an "also ran." Duhhhhhhhh. Presuming those weights stay where mandated, the boat is nothing special, and, in fact, is so old, the hull can no longer take the necessary rig tension.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 02:15 PM


I still have to go with Charlie Barr for the title of America's Greatest Sailor, sorry Dennis.

You do know that Charlie Barr was Scottish?

that means the greatest american sailor was Sitting Bull.....wait!, thats DC's nickname.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 02:23 PM

is he DCs buttboy

polishing his latest 4kntsb ?

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 03:10 PM

is he DCs buttboy

polishing his latest 4kntsb ?


Yet another lame post from a foreigner.

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 04:13 PM

What has he been sailing up until this point?


A Flying Tiger and kicking ass maybe? Could be why why the Ed is selling his...

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Posted 24 August 2012 - 05:11 PM




the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.


that boat is already very cherried out from when it won the Lipton Cup a few years ago. very very fast boat. however, if I recall, SDYC was basically told "you can keep the trophy, but use a different boat next time" due to measurement irregularities

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.


Ahhhhh, actually no. It is true that Pholly won the Lipton in '02, but at that time it was acceptable to add all the corrector weights directly over the keel. The boat was very fast in that "configuration." The 800# corrector weights (as I recall) placed over the keel was truly a Rule mistake. This was brought to the attention of the Class officials before the regatta, however, those lightweights thought the issue was minor. Then Pholly cleaned house against a very good fleet. The Class officials then relooked at the issue and said, "gee, maybe the weight concentration does enhance speed." So they changed the rule and mandated that corrector weights be redistributed over the entire length of the boat.

Guess what - after that Pholly was only an "also ran." Duhhhhhhhh. Presuming those weights stay where mandated, the boat is nothing special, and, in fact, is so old, the hull can no longer take the necessary rig tension.


the thru-hulls haivng been faired over caused a bit of a stir if I recall....

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 12:03 AM





the boat used to carry almost 800# of lead in the float line days. I believe it was able to take about half that off when weighed.


When the NAs were in Marblehead last year, all boats were weighed. Prior to the weigh in a few had to add lead. He should address this prior to the weigh in, because the placement of the weight was very specific.


that boat is already very cherried out from when it won the Lipton Cup a few years ago. very very fast boat. however, if I recall, SDYC was basically told "you can keep the trophy, but use a different boat next time" due to measurement irregularities

bigger issue-why the hell is this regatta in October??? there isn't a worse time to sail in So Cal. 25% chance of regular westerly, 25% chance of Santa Anas with zero wind, totally glassed off, 25% chance of Santa Anas with huge offshore breeze (and skies filled with smoke), 25% chance of cold, rainy, no wind.


Ahhhhh, actually no. It is true that Pholly won the Lipton in '02, but at that time it was acceptable to add all the corrector weights directly over the keel. The boat was very fast in that "configuration." The 800# corrector weights (as I recall) placed over the keel was truly a Rule mistake. This was brought to the attention of the Class officials before the regatta, however, those lightweights thought the issue was minor. Then Pholly cleaned house against a very good fleet. The Class officials then relooked at the issue and said, "gee, maybe the weight concentration does enhance speed." So they changed the rule and mandated that corrector weights be redistributed over the entire length of the boat.

Guess what - after that Pholly was only an "also ran." Duhhhhhhhh. Presuming those weights stay where mandated, the boat is nothing special, and, in fact, is so old, the hull can no longer take the necessary rig tension.


the thru-hulls haivng been faired over caused a bit of a stir if I recall....


You sayin' that SDYC cheated and closed the thru hulls?

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 02:47 AM

DCs boat-boy - he said there was fairing done

illegal in this class, how you gonna UNfair it?

so the weight correction is invisible now down in the fin 'eh

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 02:57 PM

I suppose DC now can lose the 105 class after losing important schooner regattas. Glad to hear he gets his boats, sails, prostrate crews and temper for nearly free.

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Posted 26 August 2012 - 05:11 PM


our boat is even older than your and just as light ;-) 187lbs. of lead is all it took to weigh in


We hold more than that.. and we're dry.

800# in corrector weight for Conner's boat? Is that in pounds? That can't be real.


As the guy that added all the weight, & then moved it, & then reduced it, I can testify that PHOLLY has the correct amount of lead in her to measure in. Yes, originally I had to add a massive amount of lead - this is when float lines were measured down from hull/deck intersections. It was later realized that when the molds were replaced the new molds had a lower freeboard - thus older hulls took excessive amounts of weight to sink them to the float line. Actual weighing was then used, which finally led to parity. And yes, if the rule just requires me to sink a boat to a float line, I'm going to put it all at the main bulkhead. It was never legal to put any lead below the floorboards.

The hull was fully faired by Fitzgerald when it was new, long before any one-design rules, & has a tiller.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 02:13 PM


I still have to go with Charlie Barr for the title of America's Greatest Sailor, sorry Dennis.

You do know that Charlie Barr was Scottish?


And that he's DEAD!

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 02:18 PM

might have been implied when he said ' was ' ?

http://query.nytimes...9679C946096D6CF

the above confirms your post m8

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 03:00 PM

"They are such beautiful boats"
Compared with what?

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 04:55 AM

I wonder who the big fella will have pulling the strings for him and calling tactics?

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 10:29 AM

I wonder who the big fella will have pulling the strings for him and calling tactics?


DoRag on tactics of course.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 12:27 PM

DC is the first 105 too sign up for Key West.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 01:26 PM

DC is the first 105 too sign up for Key West.


Maybe this will spark some interest and get a class for KW going again.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 06:01 PM

Or maybe it is a warning to regatta organizers that they are going to have to order more food.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 07:11 PM

Buddy Melges bought a Farr 30?




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