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#1 GauchoGreg

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:06 PM

OK, it's D-day for Oracle's first 72. Any spies out there? Need someone with their boat and a good lense to be Johnny on the Spot. Still no web-cams that show Pier 80, is there?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:22 PM

I want to see pictures of an AC72 (Oracle or Artemis or both) sailing around with L'Hydropetre. It is possible it could happen this week!

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:23 PM

Nice topic!
Where has the boat been made? Is it at Pier 80 now?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:23 PM

I want to see pictures of an AC72 (Oracle or Artemis or both) sailing around with L'Hydropetre. It is possible it could happen this week!


Do we have any idea if the Artemis wing is on-site, let alone fixed?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:30 PM

Heard the launch will be on Tuesday to check out the steering, boards, etc.

If everything checks out the wing may go in on Wednesday for the inaugural sail, but we'll see,

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:32 PM


I want to see pictures of an AC72 (Oracle or Artemis or both) sailing around with L'Hydropetre. It is possible it could happen this week!


Do we have any idea if the Artemis wing is on-site, let alone fixed?


Heard from some informed sources that security at the base is pretty tight, even for some supplying parts to the campaign.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:34 PM

Heard the launch will be on Tuesday to check out the steering, boards, etc.

If everything checks out the wing may go in on Wednesday for the inaugural sail, but we'll see,


I thought it was supposed to be today? Maybe it was the week of the 27th?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 04:58 PM

I heard Tuesday as well.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 06:48 PM



I want to see pictures of an AC72 (Oracle or Artemis or both) sailing around with L'Hydropetre. It is possible it could happen this week!


Do we have any idea if the Artemis wing is on-site, let alone fixed?


Heard from some informed sources that security at the base is pretty tight, even for some supplying parts to the campaign.


The wing is on site, has been for some time. There is a large group from King Marine working on it and from what info I can gather it
should be ready in about 2 weeks. My guess is that they will test it on the Tri first before putting it on the cat.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 07:05 PM




I want to see pictures of an AC72 (Oracle or Artemis or both) sailing around with L'Hydropetre. It is possible it could happen this week!


Do we have any idea if the Artemis wing is on-site, let alone fixed?


Heard from some informed sources that security at the base is pretty tight, even for some supplying parts to the campaign.


The wing is on site, has been for some time. There is a large group from King Marine working on it and from what info I can gather it
should be ready in about 2 weeks. My guess is that they will test it on the Tri first before putting it on the cat.



Huh???

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 07:14 PM





I want to see pictures of an AC72 (Oracle or Artemis or both) sailing around with L'Hydropetre. It is possible it could happen this week!


Do we have any idea if the Artemis wing is on-site, let alone fixed?


Heard from some informed sources that security at the base is pretty tight, even for some supplying parts to the campaign.


The wing is on site, has been for some time. There is a large group from King Marine working on it and from what info I can gather it
should be ready in about 2 weeks. My guess is that they will test it on the Tri first before putting it on the cat.



Huh???


? :mellow:

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 07:22 PM





I want to see pictures of an AC72 (Oracle or Artemis or both) sailing around with L'Hydropetre. It is possible it could happen this week!


Do we have any idea if the Artemis wing is on-site, let alone fixed?


Heard from some informed sources that security at the base is pretty tight, even for some supplying parts to the campaign.


The wing is on site, has been for some time. There is a large group from King Marine working on it and from what info I can gather it
should be ready in about 2 weeks. My guess is that they will test it on the Tri first before putting it on the cat.



Huh???


Seems logical. If you're worried about it falling over again, why have it land on all the crunchy bits of your new ride? Not to mention, it'll let them do wing testing without starting the 30 day clock.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 07:38 PM

I think this is supposed to be the Oracle thread . Somehow Artemis info got mixed in . Larry only has one tri and it's way too big for this game :)

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:08 PM

But sticking with Artemis for a moment:

The wing is on site, has been for some time. There is a large group from King Marine working on it and from what info I can gather it
should be ready in about 2 weeks. My guess is that they will test it on the Tri first before putting it on the cat.


J-Bird, which 'site' did you mean in the above? Alameda or Valencia. Where do you think the 'Orma72' is?

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:18 PM

But sticking with Artemis for a moment:

The wing is on site, has been for some time. There is a large group from King Marine working on it and from what info I can gather it
should be ready in about 2 weeks. My guess is that they will test it on the Tri first before putting it on the cat.


J-Bird, which 'site' did you mean in the above? Alameda or Valencia. Where do you think the 'Orma72' is?


Alameda

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 08:27 PM


But sticking with Artemis for a moment:

The wing is on site, has been for some time. There is a large group from King Marine working on it and from what info I can gather it
should be ready in about 2 weeks. My guess is that they will test it on the Tri first before putting it on the cat.


J-Bird, which 'site' did you mean in the above? Alameda or Valencia. Where do you think the 'Orma72' is?


Alameda


I had not heard, yet, that they brought the tri over, as well. Has anyone seen it?

Makes sense, though, if they have moved their whole camp over, and the ability to work the wing on the tri with unlimited time.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 09:06 PM



But sticking with Artemis for a moment:

The wing is on site, has been for some time. There is a large group from King Marine working on it and from what info I can gather it
should be ready in about 2 weeks. My guess is that they will test it on the Tri first before putting it on the cat.


J-Bird, which 'site' did you mean in the above? Alameda or Valencia. Where do you think the 'Orma72' is?


Alameda


I had not heard, yet, that they brought the tri over, as well. Has anyone seen it?

Makes sense, though, if they have moved their whole camp over, and the ability to work the wings on the tri with unlimited time.


fixed!

does indeed make a lot of sense.

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Posted 27 August 2012 - 11:57 PM

A snark 'Artemis first sail' making the rounds at, yes, OR :)

http://m.youtube.com...fjOmGg2jc&gl=US


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Posted 28 August 2012 - 01:20 PM

OK, I was a tad bit premature yesterday, but I hope we have some covert teams all geared up and ready to implement their assignments.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 01:41 PM

I'll be on the water later this afternoon but don't expect to see anything that late in the day.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 08:11 PM

Helllloooooo??????

Anyone? Bueller?

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 08:48 PM

Countdown clock @ http://oracle-team-u...mericascup.com/

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 08:51 PM

Nice find - 11:00 AM tomorrow.

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 08:55 PM

Noon, perhaps?

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Posted 28 August 2012 - 11:44 PM

What team is next to unveil after OR and when will we first see the AC72s in action?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 12:47 AM

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ORACLE TEAM USA has started the countdown to launching its first AC72 wingsailed catamaran this week.

A Media Day is planned for Friday 31 August, the first scheduled sailing day for the boat that will play a central role in the San Francisco team’s bid to win the America’s Cup again next year.

Today, the giant 12 story high wing was lifted at Pier 80 in a successful test of the new ground handling systems.

“This was one tick in a very long check-list of essential steps before the boat can go into the water,” said Mark Turner, shore manager.

Upgrading from the identical one-design AC45s used during last week’s America’s Cup World Series event in San Francisco is going to be no small order; the AC72 is more complex, more powerful and entirely custom designed and built by ORACLE TEAM USA.

“Compared to the AC45, the AC72 is twice as long, five times as powerful and 100 times more complex,” explained Dirk Kramers, one of the 25 strong design team who has worked for two years on the team’s first boats. “It will also be 25% faster, capable of speeds over 40 knots (45 mph).”

Constructed entirely from carbon fiber, the AC72 hulls were built at the team’s base in Pier 80, San Francisco. The cross beams connecting the two hulls, wingsail, appendages (rudders and lifting daggerboards) and other key structures were made in New Zealand by Core Builders Composites.

“This is one of the most intricately detailed racing boats ever built,” commented Tim Smyth of CBC. “Not only this, but it is also one of the most dramatic looking.

The next step for the team is to lift and fit the 130-foot wingsail onto the hull. Once preliminary checks on shore are complete, the boat then touches Bay water for the very first time. The myriad mechanical, electrical, and hydraulic systems that control the steering, wing and sails have to be tested, and before sailing is attempted a team of engineers and boatbuilders must sign off on the structure after a series of structural and data read-outs are approved.

The first sail is scheduled for Friday, subject to constant review.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:07 AM

What team is next to unveil after OR and when will we first see the AC72s in action?


After Oracle there is only one team left to unveil its AC72, and I have a hunch that their boat is going to look remarkably similar to the Kiwi boat.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:34 AM

Wing!

http://oracle-team-u...-ac72-this-week

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:37 AM


What team is next to unveil after OR and when will we first see the AC72s in action?


After Oracle there is only one team left to unveil its AC72, and I have a hunch that their boat is going to look remarkably similar to the Kiwi boat.


Luna Rossa?

Are you saying there are only 3 challengers?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:38 AM

So far there are only three challengers building boats. Good luck to the Koreans in finding the money.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:35 AM

Nothing looks special about that wing, except that the 1st element seems a lot thinner than NZilla. There's also a kink in the hinge about half way up...maybe.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:48 AM

Wow, the foil sections--its a wing. Major lens distortion in the top pic.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:56 AM

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:04 AM

Damn big item.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:27 AM

What I want to know is how can they possibly hoist the wing without a published manual, or did that complaint fade away just like the insurmountable issues with the AC45 wings when they were first introduced ?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 11:19 AM

Higher res pics from same article

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Can see camber control at the top of the rig there, is pretty much what I've been thinking the TNZ wing uses too.
4 part trailing element like TNZ but without the intermediate hinge points.
Hinge is kinked, twister or not?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 11:59 AM

Aleph container?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 12:08 PM

Aleph container?


uncle larry took it back when they couldn't pay to play

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:01 PM

very clean wing. Not alot dangling out in the breeze on this one.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:32 PM

Lead element/flap chord ratio similar to ETNZ's, no rigid skin. Cannot see lead element's plain flap (Edit: in the slot, one can glimpse the wires that set slot width - so it's got to be there)

They're using the Paul Bieker counterweight, didn't see it on ETNZ.

Wot, still wire and pulleys instead of hydraulics for flap actuating?

The AR wing is the outlier, then.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 01:38 PM

This guy is funny as hell



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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:06 PM

Road trip Friday.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:27 PM

According to the OR countdown clock the 72 will drop at 12pm est. Hour and a half from now. Is there going to be live video?

WetHog :ph34r:

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 02:36 PM

According to the OR countdown clock the 72 will drop at 12pm est. Hour and a half from now. Is there going to be live video?

WetHog :ph34r:


I think you are off on the time line. It is showing a noon (Pacific time) launch.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:07 PM

I think you are off on the time line. It is showing a noon (Pacific time) launch.


Countdown clock is down to 53 minutes right now. That makes it 12pm est, or did I miss daylight savings time?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:32 PM


I think you are off on the time line. It is showing a noon (Pacific time) launch.


Countdown clock is down to 53 minutes right now. That makes it 12pm est, or did I miss daylight savings time?

WetHog :ph34r:


My coundown clock shows 3 hours, 28 minutes

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 03:44 PM

Says 16 minutes 57 seconds for me. Guess I get a sneak peek.

That or Tag Heuer sucks. :lol:

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:00 PM

Says 16 minutes 57 seconds for me. Guess I get a sneak peek.

That or Tag Heuer sucks. :lol:

WetHog :ph34r:

Says 00:00:00 for me since an hour ago. Am I the first to see her?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:01 PM


Says 16 minutes 57 seconds for me. Guess I get a sneak peek.

That or Tag Heuer sucks. :lol:

WetHog :ph34r:

Says 00:00:00 for me since an hour ago. Am I the first to see her?


She's a beaut, eh ?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:10 PM



Says 16 minutes 57 seconds for me. Guess I get a sneak peek.

That or Tag Heuer sucks. :lol:

WetHog :ph34r:

Says 00:00:00 for me since an hour ago. Am I the first to see her?


She's a beaut, eh ?

The clock? Well...

#51 WetHog

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:14 PM

Yes where are the dancing girls?

Seems like the countdown clock is not set on a universal time. Oracle software is fabulous. :lol:

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:30 PM

The dancing girls are lined up, it's the ring of fire that is back-ordered.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:41 PM

My clock stil says 2 hours, 19 minutes.

http://oracle-team-u...mericascup.com/


??????????????????? :unsure:

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:45 PM

My clock stil says 2 hours, 19 minutes.

http://oracle-team-u...mericascup.com/


??????????????????? :unsure:

Mine says I get to see the boat in fifteen minutes. Their web designer sure isn't doing Tag any favors!

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:46 PM

My clock stil says 2 hours, 19 minutes.

http://oracle-team-u...mericascup.com/


??????????????????? :unsure:

Take mine. Better?
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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:46 PM

My clock stil says 2 hours, 19 minutes.

http://oracle-team-u...mericascup.com/


??????????????????? :unsure:

Reset the timezone on your computer, and get a preview before the rest of us!

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:55 PM

The clock on mine page says 0:0:0:0 ... :rolleyes:
Anyway time to go home in Italy... Post nice pics! :D

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 04:57 PM

someone goofed....

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:05 PM

The dancing girls are lined up, it's the ring of fire that is back-ordered.


Well based on how the countdown clock is F'ed up I guess we can expect that fabulous MC from ETNZ's 72 event to MC OR's 72 show. :lol:

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:34 PM

I look forward to the day when I can drag and drop into a reply window...but for now, this from Shannon Falcone's FB page.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:34 PM

This guy is funny as hell



The AC guys need to take him for a ride! Then get his take on the whole thing! Very cool guy!

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:35 PM

One hour 20 min. So noon it is... :)

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:38 PM

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Wicked!! Holy crap Batman that boat is sick!

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:41 PM

I look forward to the day when I can drag and drop into a reply window...but for now, this from Shannon Falcone's FB page.

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Someone spent a lot of time in a wind tunnel... Holy aerodynamic beams batman.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:43 PM

Wow. That thing is just flat out sinister looking. It almost makes the other 72's we've seen appear agricultural with the way Oracle seems to have put a heavy focus on "aero."

With the way that thing looks, I half expect to see Batman helming the damned thing!

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:44 PM

This boat is hot hot hot. I'm going to head down there and see what I can see, even if they won't let me directly on the base.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:46 PM

Also happy to see the return of "17."

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:48 PM

Would fit perfectly in any of the Nolan/Batman movies...

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:48 PM

Also happy to see the return of "17."


Another odd thought... If they used Larry's favorite "17" designation on this one, are we seeing the primary boat, as opposed to a 1st gen trial horse?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:49 PM

Would fit perfectly in any of the Nolan/Batman movies...


Might as well just call her BatZilla now and steal Stingray's thunder! :)

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:52 PM


Would fit perfectly in any of the Nolan/Batman movies...


Might as well just call her BatZilla now and steal Stingray's thunder! :)

+1

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:53 PM

Nice boat. Can't wait to see it on the water. What is the significance of the #17 for Larry Ellison? I can't find the answer anywhere. Is it because he was born on the 17th?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:53 PM

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Wicked!! Holy crap Batman that boat is sick!


WOW! That is wicked looking!

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:54 PM

It's coined, BatZilla...

Nice boat. Can't wait to see it on the water. What is the significance of the #17 for Larry Ellison? I can't find the answer anywhere. Is it because he was born on the 17th?

Has something to do with what's described here if I recall correctly, http://en.wikipedia....iki/17_(number)

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:58 PM

Wow. That thing is just flat out sinister looking. It almost makes the other 72's we've seen appear agricultural with the way Oracle seems to have put a heavy focus on "aero."

With the way that thing looks, I half expect to see Batman helming the damned thing!


No kiddin! That is AWESOME!

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:58 PM

Ah I get it now. Thanks!

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:59 PM



Would fit perfectly in any of the Nolan/Batman movies...


Might as well just call her BatZilla now and steal Stingray's thunder! :)

+1

Love it!!

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 05:59 PM

So much for the platform being totally secondary to the wing. It looks as though they have spent a fair amount of time and resources on the boat, not just the wing and foils.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:01 PM

I see DZ influences in her.

She looks seriously hot!


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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:02 PM

I looks like a giant C Class. Way less freeboard. I'm not sure if I buy the center "Pod" grinding station theory. Seems like you would be giving up a lot of righting moment.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:04 PM

Where does the forestay attach? Would those support struts on the bow temporary? They look a bit out of place on the rest of the sleek design.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:04 PM

So, she has a lot of drag reducing appendages, but nothing prevents the other teams from retrofitting their boats like DZ was if you all remember...

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:05 PM

I'm in love. A thing of beauty. CFW!

as in can't fucking wait!

Shirley they will be sailing it at the next Act.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:06 PM

I looks like a giant C Class. Way less freeboard. I'm not sure if I buy the center "Pod" grinding station theory. Seems like you would be giving up a lot of righting moment.


Cross between a C-Class and a D35, with DZ bows and rear cross beam.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:08 PM

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:10 PM

Anyone know how to post pics from an iPhone? I'm at the launching.

Wing looks like its got four rear elements. It's suspended off the crane still, not over the water yet. Looks like a lot of rocker, don't see any of the steps in the bow like Artimis. Doesn't have gills in the hull ala entz. basically looks like a larger ac45. Does have some sort of a frame on the bow, bowsprit support I guess. Looks like might be removable? No stern scoops, blunt stern like entz. Rear cross beam is all the way against the stern. Straight boards, can't really see the boxes.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:11 PM

So, she has a lot of drag reducing appendages, but nothing prevents the other teams from retrofitting their boats like DZ was if you all remember...

Very true. I'd much rather be the team with an aero optimized boat from the get go though, than the other teams having to experiment with the aero add-ons. They didn't have the luxury Oracle did of real world data, though. I'm sure their 2nd gen boats will show many more aero features built in to the structure.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:11 PM

Straight boards (presumably with "L").

That pod . . . . wonder what is in it . . . . ?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:13 PM

I think we can expect the 2nd Artemis boat to look VERY different from the first after this...

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:13 PM

Anyone know how to post pics from an iPhone? I'm at the launching.

. . . . . No stern scoops, blunt stern like entz. . . . .



Wave-piercing sterns?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:13 PM

That pod . . . . wonder what is in it . . . . ?

That's where they store the cup during racing...

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:16 PM

The boards are way forward, couple feet forward of the wing and the most forward cross beam. Right around the center of the rocker( also the center of the hull)

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:16 PM

That pod . . . . wonder what is in it . . . . ?


Gyro?

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:16 PM

Someone needs to tell whatever hipster in highschool is getting these photos to put away the Instagram iPhone and start taking some real shots

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:18 PM

Someone needs to tell whatever hipster in highschool is getting these photos to put away the Instagram iPhone and start taking some real shots


I'll take what I can get, when I can get it. Beggers can't be choosers. I'm sure we will get the hi-def shots when they are available.

Keep 'em coming.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:20 PM

Straight boards (presumably with "L").

That pod . . . . wonder what is in it . . . . ?


Beer storage...

and a snowmobile engine... ;)

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:21 PM


Straight boards (presumably with "L").

That pod . . . . wonder what is in it . . . . ?


Beer storage...

and a snowmobile engine... ;)


Bat cloaking device.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:21 PM

Touche. Kinda hard to bitch from a couple hundred miles away. That countdown fiasco has made me antsy.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:22 PM

Touche. Kinda hard to bitch from a couple hundred miles away. That countdown fiasco has made me antsy.


I hear ya.

Damn, I wish there was a web-cam for us to REALLY waste our time with.

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 06:23 PM

Countdown clock, FOR ME, say 36 minutes. That maybe when the beast gets wet?




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