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[Mariner]

Good thoughts GG, they really do need to get back on their horses al la Maverick getting back in his jet after the accident that killed Goose right? ... they gotta get back out there! Shake it off however difficult it will be. Since they all want it to go on, they gotta all get going again. 

[pjh]

Winds right now (and it is still very early) from the St. Francis YC Racecam page: 18 gusting to 28 KT.

 

I don't think anyone would go out on the course today anyway.

[SW Sailor]

A moratorium till Thursday.

[Rohanoz]

Winds right now (and it is still very early) from the St. Francis YC Racecam page: 18 gusting to 28 KT.
 
I don't think anyone would go out on the course today anyway.

Funny isn't it.
One of the reasons SF Bay was chosen...

[pjh]

Winds right now (and it is still very early) from the St. Francis YC Racecam page: 18 gusting to 28 KT.
 
I don't think anyone would go out on the course today anyway.

Funny isn't it.
One of the reasons SF Bay was chosen...

It was. And they are going to have to get used to going out in these kinds of winds, but I'm guessing everyone will be treading gingerly for a while.

[Boybland]

Winds right now (and it is still very early) from the St. Francis YC Racecam page: 18 gusting to 28 KT.

 

I don't think anyone would go out on the course today anyway.

 

I honestly don't think that would be of concern to ETNZ, they were out a number of times in Auckland in similar conditions.

However they probably wouldn't want it as their first touch on the bay after the boat has spent several weeks on a ship getting bumped about.

[Boo-Yah]

At what point do you need USCG permission to go running around the bay?   Does anyone have any authority moves around on the bay at what time?  In many non US ports the harbor master has huge powers on what can move when.

 

I could clearly see any controlling authority grounding all the 72's until the investigation teams report back?

 

Some would advise the teams should ground themselves until the investigators have a chance to report?  

[GauchoGreg]

At what point do you need USCG permission to go running around the bay?   Does anyone have any authority moves around on the bay at what time?  In many non US ports the harbor master has huge powers on what can move when.

 

I could clearly see any controlling authority grounding all the 72's until the investigation teams report back?

 

Some would advise the teams should ground themselves until the investigators have a chance to report?  

 

We may not know the events that took place, leading to the Artemis crash, but you can bet your ass ETNZ, OR, and LR all know exactly how it went down, and whether the same issue applies to them.  I believe the fact they are forging ahead says a little, and it should not be your business, or anyone else's to tell them they can't.  These are not boats being sold to the consumer market.  This is R&D and sport competition.

[Boo-Yah]

At what point do you need USCG permission to go running around the bay?   Does anyone have any authority moves around on the bay at what time?  In many non US ports the harbor master has huge powers on what can move when.

 

I could clearly see any controlling authority grounding all the 72's until the investigation teams report back?

 

Some would advise the teams should ground themselves until the investigators have a chance to report?  

 

We may not know the events that took place, leading to the Artemis crash, but you can bet your ass ETNZ, OR, and LR all know exactly how it went down, and whether the same issue applies to them.  I believe the fact they are forging ahead says a little, and it should not be your business, or anyone else's to tell them they can't.  These are not boats being sold to the consumer market.  This is R&D and sport competition.

 

 

As long as they dig their own lake and execute their own rescues .. you bet they should be on their own.  

 

I cannot test run my Indy car on the public freeway anymore,,,,

[GauchoGreg]

 

At what point do you need USCG permission to go running around the bay?   Does anyone have any authority moves around on the bay at what time?  In many non US ports the harbor master has huge powers on what can move when.

 

I could clearly see any controlling authority grounding all the 72's until the investigation teams report back?

 

Some would advise the teams should ground themselves until the investigators have a chance to report?  

 

We may not know the events that took place, leading to the Artemis crash, but you can bet your ass ETNZ, OR, and LR all know exactly how it went down, and whether the same issue applies to them.  I believe the fact they are forging ahead says a little, and it should not be your business, or anyone else's to tell them they can't.  These are not boats being sold to the consumer market.  This is R&D and sport competition.

 

 

As long as they dig their own lake and execute their own rescues .. you bet they should be on their own.  

 

I cannot test run my Indy car on the public freeway anymore,,,,

 

Last time I checked, no one made the ocean, quite different than the roads.  They did do their own rescue (or at least attempted to), as well as salvage, by the way.  And they will continue to.

[pjh]

Oracle is replacing the black film on their wing with clear, so they can see under it in case of an accident.

http://www.sfchronic...f78d8d98016473f

[GauchoGreg]

Oracle is replacing the black film on their wing with clear, so they can see under it in case of an accident.

http://www.sfchronic...f78d8d98016473f

 

 

"....

 

Clysar shrink wrap that covers the 13-story wing and parts of the platform to lighting the catamaran's cockpit if it becomes submerged.

 

..."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.co...p#ixzz2TYgVSIDX

[Alpha FB]

Some interesting points in that article - including making the team uniforms brighter...

[zillafreak]

Oracle is replacing the black film on their wing with clear, so they can see under it in case of an accident.

http://www.sfchronic...f78d8d98016473f

Good article. How about in the spirit of camaraderie, safety, and in Bart's memory all teams train with OR for these safety drills? They seem to have a good program:

 

And members of Oracle racing's sailing team are repeating drills done earlier this year in safety sessions led by a team of Navy SEALs. A cockpit with netting has been set up in the bay next to the team's headquarters, and sailors in full gear go through capsizing and escaping drills.

 

"In January, I did a two-hour briefing in this room with three or four of the Artemis guys, including the coach and skipper," Presti said. "I shared all of the video we had captured and all of the lessons we learned. We realized then that we were not as organized as we should have been, and we wanted the information to be shared."

Also in January, Oracle racing's sail team spent a grueling week working with the Navy SEALs. The sailors took first aid and CPR courses, went to the Coast Guard facilities in Alameda to learn how to extract sailors from the water and how to swim with something heavy. They went to Stanford and trained in jumping safely from the high dive.

[GauchoGreg]

It also struck me as an unusually good article for a Mainstream Media piece.  Factual information, good interview bits, no stupid slanting by the writer.

 

Oracle is replacing the black film on their wing with clear, so they can see under it in case of an accident.

http://www.sfchronic...f78d8d98016473f

Good article. How about in the spirit of camaraderie, safety, and in Bart's memory all teams train with OR for these safety drills? They seem to have a good program:

 

....

[pjh]

Same writer who wrote The Mechanic and the Billionaire.

[MauganNacra20]

FYI the "Fun on Foils" video made it on the front page of reddit today.

 

For you flinstones, thats a great thing to have happen to the AC.

[nav]

Oracle is replacing the black film on their wing with clear, so they can see under it in case of an accident.

http://www.sfchronic...f78d8d98016473f

 

the way a Formula 1 driver brakes into a corner and accelerates out."

 

This bit may have only applied to the wing - but it could maybe aqlso explain the crazy 'two boards down' technique the were doing with 17b??

 

[Bow Monkey]

Oracle is replacing the black film on their wing with clear, so they can see under it in case of an accident.

http://www.sfchronic...f78d8d98016473f

Good article. How about in the spirit of camaraderie, safety, and in Bart's memory all teams train with OR for these safety drills? They seem to have a good program:
 

And members of Oracle racing's sailing team are repeating drills done earlier this year in safety sessions led by a team of Navy SEALs. A cockpit with netting has been set up in the bay next to the team's headquarters, and sailors in full gear go through capsizing and escaping drills.

 

"In January, I did a two-hour briefing in this room with three or four of the Artemis guys, including the coach and skipper," Presti said. "I shared all of the video we had captured and all of the lessons we learned. We realized then that we were not as organized as we should have been, and we wanted the information to be shared."

Also in January, Oracle racing's sail team spent a grueling week working with the Navy SEALs. The sailors took first aid and CPR courses, went to the Coast Guard facilities in Alameda to learn how to extract sailors from the water and how to swim with something heavy. They went to Stanford and trained in jumping safely from the high dive.

What's kind of interesting is that in this very thread, there's a healthy supply of New Zealand assholes who openly mocked OTUSA for all these safety drills. I bet they feel like real winners now.

[pjh]

It also struck me as an unusually good article for a Mainstream Media piece.  Factual information, good interview bits, no stupid slanting by the writer.

 

It is an excellent article and is an excellent PR move by Team Oracle. It shows forward progress, professionalism, and puts the most positive face on the events of the last eight days of any media piece. E.g. we are learning, and and preparing. This is going to work.

[Ex-yachtie]

 

Oracle is replacing the black film on their wing with clear, so they can see under it in case of an accident.

http://www.sfchronic...f78d8d98016473f

Good article. How about in the spirit of camaraderie, safety, and in Bart's memory all teams train with OR for these safety drills? They seem to have a good program:
 

And members of Oracle racing's sailing team are repeating drills done earlier this year in safety sessions led by a team of Navy SEALs. A cockpit with netting has been set up in the bay next to the team's headquarters, and sailors in full gear go through capsizing and escaping drills.

 

"In January, I did a two-hour briefing in this room with three or four of the Artemis guys, including the coach and skipper," Presti said. "I shared all of the video we had captured and all of the lessons we learned. We realized then that we were not as organized as we should have been, and we wanted the information to be shared."

Also in January, Oracle racing's sail team spent a grueling week working with the Navy SEALs. The sailors took first aid and CPR courses, went to the Coast Guard facilities in Alameda to learn how to extract sailors from the water and how to swim with something heavy. They went to Stanford and trained in jumping safely from the high dive.

What's kind of interesting is that in this very thread, there's a healthy supply of New Zealand assholes who openly mocked OTUSA for all these safety drills. I bet they feel like real winners now.

 

Actually, I think ETNZ was carrying out safety drills at the same time (if not before) Oracle.  Oracle were however mocked for their yoga sessions.

[nav]

So what stays and what goes?

 

deleted bits

 

Wing three - this time...

 

 

And soon to have a new motor!

 

 

[Bow Monkey]

 

Oracle is replacing the black film on their wing with clear, so they can see under it in case of an accident.

http://www.sfchronic...f78d8d98016473f

Good article. How about in the spirit of camaraderie, safety, and in Bart's memory all teams train with OR for these safety drills? They seem to have a good program:
 

And members of Oracle racing's sailing team are repeating drills done earlier this year in safety sessions led by a team of Navy SEALs. A cockpit with netting has been set up in the bay next to the team's headquarters, and sailors in full gear go through capsizing and escaping drills.
 

"In January, I did a two-hour briefing in this room with three or four of the Artemis guys, including the coach and skipper," Presti said. "I shared all of the video we had captured and all of the lessons we learned. We realized then that we were not as organized as we should have been, and we wanted the information to be shared."


Also in January, Oracle racing's sail team spent a grueling week working with the Navy SEALs. The sailors took first aid and CPR courses, went to the Coast Guard facilities in Alameda to learn how to extract sailors from the water and how to swim with something heavy. They went to Stanford and trained in jumping safely from the high dive.

What's kind of interesting is that in this very thread, there's a healthy supply of New Zealand assholes who openly mocked OTUSA for all these safety drills. I bet they feel like real winners now.

 
Actually, I think ETNZ was carrying out safety drills at the same time (if not before) Oracle.  Oracle were however mocked for their yoga sessions.

I didn't mean the team, I meant some of their fine citizens here on SA, and no, not the yoga.

[KiwiJoker]

Oracle is replacing the black film on their wing with clear, so they can see under it in case of an accident.

http://www.sfchronic...f78d8d98016473f

 
"....
 
Clysar shrink wrap that covers the 13-story wing and parts of the platform to lighting the catamaran's cockpit if it becomes submerged.
 
..."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.co...p#ixzz2TYgVSIDX

 The first substantive article we've seen since the crash that doesn't involve finger pointing or wild speculation. It reports on some positive changes being undertaken by Oracle. And yes it came from the mainstream media. Good for the Chronicle and good going Ms Guthrie.

For me the most telling point was the fact that Philippe Presti and Dirk Kramers were on the Oracle chase boat and in the vicinity when Artemis went over. They were first-hand witnesses and what they have taken away from the accident has to be reflected in the changes Oracle is making

[Ex-yachtie]

 

Oracle is replacing the black film on their wing with clear, so they can see under it in case of an accident.

http://www.sfchronic...f78d8d98016473f

Good article. How about in the spirit of camaraderie, safety, and in Bart's memory all teams train with OR for these safety drills? They seem to have a good program:
 

And members of Oracle racing's sailing team are repeating drills done earlier this year in safety sessions led by a team of Navy SEALs. A cockpit with netting has been set up in the bay next to the team's headquarters, and sailors in full gear go through capsizing and escaping drills.
 

"In January, I did a two-hour briefing in this room with three or four of the Artemis guys, including the coach and skipper," Presti said. "I shared all of the video we had captured and all of the lessons we learned. We realized then that we were not as organized as we should have been, and we wanted the information to be shared."


Also in January, Oracle racing's sail team spent a grueling week working with the Navy SEALs. The sailors took first aid and CPR courses, went to the Coast Guard facilities in Alameda to learn how to extract sailors from the water and how to swim with something heavy. They went to Stanford and trained in jumping safely from the high dive.

What's kind of interesting is that in this very thread, there's a healthy supply of New Zealand assholes who openly mocked OTUSA for all these safety drills. I bet they feel like real winners now.

 
Actually, I think ETNZ was carrying out safety drills at the same time (if not before) Oracle.  Oracle were however mocked for their yoga sessions.

I didn't mean the team, I meant some of their fine citizens here on SA, and no, not the yoga.

I know but the ETNZ fans were unlikely to mock Oracle for something ETNZ was already doing.

[the paradox of thrift]

No one ever mocked Oracle for doing the safety drills. ETNZ did them weeks before Oracle did - they appeared to be quite similar.

 

The yoga wasn't the craziest thing ever conceived - but the media put out about it at the time was. It was just wierd.

[Indio]

 

Oracle is replacing the black film on their wing with clear, so they can see under it in case of an accident.

http://www.sfchronic...f78d8d98016473f

 
"....
 
Clysar shrink wrap that covers the 13-story wing and parts of the platform to lighting the catamaran's cockpit if it becomes submerged.
 
..."

Read more: http://www.sfgate.co...p#ixzz2TYgVSIDX

 

 The first substantive article we've seen since the crash that doesn't involve finger pointing or wild speculation. It reports on some positive changes being undertaken by Oracle. And yes it came from the mainstream media. Good for the Chronicle and good going Ms Guthrie.

For me the most telling point was the fact that Philippe Presti and Dirk Kramers were on the Oracle chase boat and in the vicinity when Artemis went over. They were first-hand witnesses and what they have taken away from the accident has to be reflected in the changes Oracle is making

A bit disingenious here:

 

He pointed out that in the 2007 America's Cup in Valencia, Spain, boats were clocked at around 9 knots upwind. Six years later, the America's Cup yachts go 24 knots upwind.

"We are going more than twice as fast in this period," Kramers marveled. "By comparison, the 100-yard dash speed has improved by 3 percent over the last four decades. So in sailing, we've seen this huge acceleration in speed, and the safety aspects are trying to catch up."

Overlooked to mention a completely different boat design. These guys mustn't have a good opinion of their local audience if they keep spouting this level of BS...