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[hoom]

For the record that video I posted is not today, that was 14 Sept.

[Winged]

For the record that video I posted is not today, that was 14 Sept.

Thanks but thats not the video im talking about .


http://acworldseries.blogspot.com/2012/10/louis-vuitton-cup-news-emirates-team-nz.html

[Rohanoz]

What do you suppose that blue pipe is? Oxygen supply for the bloke in the pod downstairs trying to fly this thing?

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[rule69]

Pitot tube?

[hoom]

Thanks but thats not the video im talking about .

Ah yes, that one is really good But its also from 14 Sept...

What do you suppose that blue pipe is?

I've been wondering about that one too. Appears to be duct taped on in a very oddly bodge job fashion & i can't see any obvious function.

[Rohanoz]

I actually thought it might be:

1. Pitot tube, but crap totally untuned attachment killed that.
b. An air injection system to the trailing edge of the wing - kind of like an afterburner???
c. Cooling system for the hydraulics.
4. Venturi system to suck any air out of the centrecases?
e. Air intake for the 'inflata'deck system.
6. Noisemaker for the video they send to Larry - the whistling makes it sound faster.
7. Air intake to blow the water away from the hull and make it fly.

[scarecow]

Jeez, now we have Scarecrow as our new "child in learning the internet". Need to check the time he post to see if the parents are in bed.

Grow some short hair before you post idjet.

I think you mean ScareCOW, a newbie from NZ, not ScareCROW, who is a respected member of the AUS sailing community!

And Scarecow, you need to fulfill your newbie obligations.

Obligations? Whatever do you mean??

I took my dad's boat out on Friday afternoon. Just happened to catch New Zealand zooming up and down the Rangitoto Channel on its foils. As you do.

Video and pictures from other people have been shared on Sail-World and, of course, on here. Here are some pictures I took that afternoon:

Hailey was keen on sailing but didn't seem to really understand the implications of the ISAF International Jury's decision vis-a-vis PI22.



After some attempt at an explanation, we went downstairs so I could provide a practical demonstration of the nuances of the different positions for the daggerboard in measurement condition. It took a little while.

With your good selves in mind, I filmed parts of the demonstration. The idea being that such imagery would contribute to the conversation over the different design philosophies. However, when I uploaded the screenshots to the hosting site, I received an email almost immediately explaining that they were not able to publish such obscene material.

[Winged]

Jeez, now we have Scarecrow as our new "child in learning the internet". Need to check the time he post to see if the parents are in bed.

Grow some short hair before you post idjet.

I think you mean ScareCOW, a newbie from NZ, not ScareCROW, who is a respected member of the AUS sailing community!

And Scarecow, you need to fulfill your newbie obligations.

Obligations? Whatever do you mean??

I took my dad's boat out on Friday afternoon. Just happened to catch New Zealand zooming up and down the Rangitoto Channel on its foils. As you do.

Video and pictures from other people have been shared on Sail-World and, of course, on here. Here are some pictures I took that afternoon:

Hailey was keen on sailing but didn't seem to really understand the implications of the ISAF International Jury's decision vis-a-vis PI22.



After some attempt at an explanation, we went downstairs so I could provide a practical demonstration of the nuances of the different positions for the daggerboard in measurement condition. It took a little while.

With your good selves in mind, I filmed parts of the demonstration. The idea being that such imagery would contribute to the conversation over the different design philosophies. However, when I uploaded the screenshots to the hosting site, I received an email almost immediately explaining that they were not able to publish such obscene material.

geez say the word tube around nz and look what happens

[ncs]

Jeez, now we have Scarecrow as our new "child in learning the internet". Need to check the time he post to see if the parents are in bed.

Grow some short hair before you post idjet.

I think you mean ScareCOW, a newbie from NZ, not ScareCROW, who is a respected member of the AUS sailing community!

And Scarecow, you need to fulfill your newbie obligations.

Obligations? Whatever do you mean??

I motion that Scarecow receive Anarchist status. Some pictures are worth a thousand, uhm, posts.

[Rohanoz]

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They're out a fair way there now minimax.

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Video or it didn't happen .

Plenty of good photos in quite decent chop in the Chris Cameron links in the ETNZ thread.

[BillyO]

http://www.pressure-...Elusive-Big-Cat

Chasing the elusive big cat - OR17 day 7

[Samin]

Im sure the designers knew it would twist a bit, thats the tradeoff with reducing the aero drag so much.

I am not sure why people assume that there is a trade off between structural stiffness and aerodynamic drag ..

because there is a min weight which is hard to get to.

If Oracle wanted to make there 72 less floppy, how do you think they would do it without adding weight or windage?

I cant accept you dont understand basic engineering principals?

[kiwi_jon]

I'm taking orders

[eric e]

the blue pipe looks to be a cheap disposable conduit for the grey cable at it's end

the grey cable could be a wiring bundle from the wing sensors

but why is in the blue pipe and not properly mounted to the lower edge of the wing?

probably will be sorted soon

[Tony-F18]

The pipe is connected to a tank of Red Bull, every tack the crew takes a big swig!

[Rohanoz]

Need a bit more Dutch courage than red bull on that beast I'd say!

So jealous of all the guys on both 72 monsters at the moment. Crazy floppy, bucking bronco ride, or whatever us legends are saying on these forums - I'd give my left nut to be part of it!

[Tony-F18]

+1

Serious question: Why cant SA do their journalistic duty and just hire a RIB for a day and shoot some decent video of the Batmobile?

[Terry Hollis]

Im sure the designers knew it would twist a bit, thats the tradeoff with reducing the aero drag so much.

I am not sure why people assume that there is a trade off between structural stiffness and aerodynamic drag ..

because there is a min weight which is hard to get to.

If Oracle wanted to make there 72 less floppy, how do you think they would do it without adding weight or windage?

I cant accept you dont understand basic engineering principals?

I am quite familiar with basic engineering principals thank you .. what evidence do you have to support your claim "because there is a min weight which is hard to get to" ??

[hoom]

Pics from today http://www.pressure-...Elusive-Big-Cat
Looks pretty blimming flat there compared to a lot of what we've seen ETNZ foiling stable in...

[Monster Mash]

+1

Serious question: Why cant SA do their journalistic duty and just hire a RIB for a day and shoot some decent video of the Batmobile?

Something wrong with these?

http://www.pressure-...Elusive-Big-Cat

[Tony-F18]

+1

Serious question: Why cant SA do their journalistic duty and just hire a RIB for a day and shoot some decent video of the Batmobile?

Something wrong with these?

http://www.pressure-...Elusive-Big-Cat

No those are excellent pictures, although it would be nice to have them at their full resolution.
But it would be nice to see some more video from up close, maybe watch some tacks and gybes?

[~Stingray~]

At Sail World: http://www.sail-worl...on-foils/102921

US Defender, Oracle Team USA completed seven days on the water today. Here's a gallery of images from team photographer Gullian Grenier taken over the past few days on San Francisco Bay.

While Oracle has been noted for the amount of platform twist, and discussions as to whether this is good or bad, planned or unplanned, controlled or uncontrolled, these images show that while she does adopt some fairly unusual flight modes - she is capable of untwisted foiling,

Photos by Grenier

[Tony-F18]

I'm not an expert but looking at some of the pictures makes me wonder if their boards are too far forward, the ETNZ72 seems to balance much nicer on the main foil.

[Tornado-Cat]

she is capable of untwisted foiling,

Not sure if I have to understand your comment at 1st or 2nd degree.
I said a couple of times here that OR seemed to flex less when foiling however i am not sure the photos proves it, if not the contrary.
Also, IMO it is clear that OR has to foil flat (just for the max use of the L) and it is not the case in most pictures, just because they seem so uneasy to fly that they have to push the boat.
One of the poster mentioned they yesterday they flied some times with BOTH rudders out ? that would be mad.
Anyway, strange that we never had any decent video of them foiling, tacking, gybing.
And waiting to see Artemis and (maybe?) LR

[nroose]

+1

Serious question: Why cant SA do their journalistic duty and just hire a RIB for a day and shoot some decent video of the Batmobile?

How many ribs for rent on SF Bay do you think can keep up with that thing?

[Tornado-Cat]

+1

Serious question: Why cant SA do their journalistic duty and just hire a RIB for a day and shoot some decent video of the Batmobile?

How many ribs for rent on SF Bay do you think can keep up with that thing?

I propose that SA rents Todd's Whaler, Clean will do 2 front pages stories for the price of one.

[Doug Lord]

At Sail World: http://www.sail-worl...on-foils/102921

US Defender, Oracle Team USA completed seven days on the water today. Here's a gallery of images from team photographer Gullian Grenier taken over the past few days on San Francisco Bay.

While Oracle has been noted for the amount of platform twist, and discussions as to whether this is good or bad, planned or unplanned, controlled or uncontrolled, these images show that while she does adopt some fairly unusual flight modes - she is capable of untwisted foiling,

Photos by Grenier

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While I'm convinced that Oracle can foil untwisted I don't think these pictures show it very well ,if at all.

[point]

I spent an hour watching their foiling attempts on the bay yesterday... Shot a couple of minutes of consecutive footage with the iPhone I had on me at the time. It's not a smooth or pretty process getting her up on the foils and it's not long before she crashed back down to earth. No foiling episode lasted longer than 30 seconds from leeward bow up lift off to windward bow down fully loaded up landings.. you could literally see the effects of the platform flex from over a mile away with the naked eye. They also sailed with a lot of heel downwind between foilings...

I'm reserving my judgement till im in Auckland next week and can hopefully eyeball ETNZ in action.

[maxmini]

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They're out a fair way there now minimax.

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Video or it didn't happen .

Plenty of good photos in quite decent chop in the Chris Cameron links in the ETNZ thread.

What part of the word VIDEO don't you understand ? You would think that by now there would be at least a few seconds of VIDEO of ET foiling in the feared gulf , if it happened .

[familysailor]

Tonights content getting away from flew gate And the fact I just watched a new NZ video the tractors one scary machine . You can see there a lot gadgets here at work ©iSailmedia.com. And Luna Rossa Not far behind Houston we have a problem . Thank fully only one these will be coming our way after the LVC .

Who is the grinder on the right of the aft-most coffeegrinder above?

[Doug Lord]

I re-read the Dail Sail interview with Dirk Cramers and saw this little tidbit:

The Protocol for the 34th AC limits teams to building five pairs of daggerboards and it also appears that during the competition they can change their daggerboards daily to suit the anticipated conditions, although each time this would require them going through the procedure of obtaining a new measurement certificate.
Kramers points out making a call on which boards to use will be a difficult one. When you start races in San Francisco, the wind builds quite quickly.

sub required but: http://www.thedailys...-ac72-interview

[pjh]

Tonights content getting away from flew gate And the fact I just watched a new NZ video the tractors one scary machine . You can see there a lot gadgets here at work ©iSailmedia.com. And Luna Rossa Not far behind Houston we have a problem . Thank fully only one these will be coming our way after the LVC .

Who is the grinder on the right of the aft-most coffeegrinder above?

He appears to have a beard, so my guess is Shannon Falcone.

[Koukel]

+1

Serious question: Why cant SA do their journalistic duty and just hire a RIB for a day and shoot some decent video of the Batmobile?

How many ribs for rent on SF Bay do you think can keep up with that thing?

I could do it in Guitar's boat as long as they sailed where were going.

Koukel

[Guitar]

Koukel,
Shsss, the foils aren't done yet and the wing is still in testing.

[SimonN]

I re-read the Dail Sail interview with Dirk Cramers and saw this little tidbit:

The Protocol for the 34th AC limits teams to building five pairs of daggerboards and it also appears that during the competition they can change their daggerboards daily to suit the anticipated conditions, although each time this would require them going through the procedure of obtaining a new measurement certificate.
Kramers points out making a call on which boards to use will be a difficult one. When you start races in San Francisco, the wind builds quite quickly.

sub required but: http://www.thedailys...-ac72-interview

This has been discussed before and I am not sure he is correct. I believe he isn't considering the following

27.3 Competitors shall obtain written approval of the Measurement Committee prior to making

any repairs or replacements.

27.4 The Measurement Committee will only give written approval to replace an item when they

are satisfied that the damaged item cannot be repaired in a reasonable regatta-constrained

timeframe.

The consensus of the last discussion was that this means you hav eto use whatever you start the regatta with. It will be interesting to see what actually happens

[MrSurly]

Any action at the batcave today?

[~Stingray~]

Uploaded today - wow, lmao!
--



Jimmy Spithill joins the US Navy's Blue Angels demonstration squad in "Fightertown USA," Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, to test his mettle at winged flight of a slightly faster kind. See how ORACLE TEAM USA's skipper and chief "pilot" handles 6G's in the skies over San Diego.

[chic014]

I wonder if the motion sickness in the blue angels clip is worse than what he gets on Batzilla?

[Doug Lord]

I re-read the Dail Sail interview with Dirk Cramers and saw this little tidbit:

The Protocol for the 34th AC limits teams to building five pairs of daggerboards and it also appears that during the competition they can change their daggerboards daily to suit the anticipated conditions, although each time this would require them going through the procedure of obtaining a new measurement certificate.
Kramers points out making a call on which boards to use will be a difficult one. When you start races in San Francisco, the wind builds quite quickly.

sub required but: http://www.thedailys...-ac72-interview

This has been discussed before and I am not sure he is correct. I believe he isn't considering the following

27.3 Competitors shall obtain written approval of the Measurement Committee prior to making

any repairs or replacements.

27.4 The Measurement Committee will only give written approval to replace an item when they

are satisfied that the damaged item cannot be repaired in a reasonable regatta-constrained

timeframe.

The consensus of the last discussion was that this means you hav eto use whatever you start the regatta with. It will be interesting to see what actually happens

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I think that video the other day showing Oracle assembling the foil to the daggerboard so it could easily be changed out is a clue that they believe what Cramer said in the interview. Their system allows just the foil-not the whole daggerboard-to be changed.

[maxmini]

I wonder if the motion sickness in the blue angels clip is worse than what he gets on Batzilla?

There have been no reported instances of motion sickness on US-17. Oh wait I get it , that was a joke . You kids are just so funny these days I swear

[Guitar]

Although it would be a honor to fly with the Blue Angels, I would prefer to watch the video. Even that made me queezy. Ugh.

[Tornado-Cat]

There have been no reported instances of motion sickness on US-17.

under NDA

[kiwi_jon]

I re-read the Dail Sail interview with Dirk Cramers and saw this little tidbit:

The Protocol for the 34th AC limits teams to building five pairs of daggerboards and it also appears that during the competition they can change their daggerboards daily to suit the anticipated conditions, although each time this would require them going through the procedure of obtaining a new measurement certificate.
Kramers points out making a call on which boards to use will be a difficult one. When you start races in San Francisco, the wind builds quite quickly.

sub required but: http://www.thedailys...-ac72-interview

This has been discussed before and I am not sure he is correct. I believe he isn't considering the following

27.3 Competitors shall obtain written approval of the Measurement Committee prior to making

any repairs or replacements.

27.4 The Measurement Committee will only give written approval to replace an item when they

are satisfied that the damaged item cannot be repaired in a reasonable regatta-constrained

timeframe.

The consensus of the last discussion was that this means you hav eto use whatever you start the regatta with. It will be interesting to see what actually happens

========================
I think that video the other day showing Oracle assembling the foil to the daggerboard so it could easily be changed out is a clue that they believe what Cramer said in the interview. Their system allows just the foil-not the whole daggerboard-to be changed.

Measurement Committee


Interpretation No. 19
of
AC72 Class Rule


Version 1.1 : 22nd February, 2011


Rule Reference:
AC72 Class Rule

8.6 and 9.6 infer that appendages may be made of more than 1 component. This is supported by rule 27.2© that discusses "surfaces" of an appendage, as opposed to a single surface of an appendage.

8.6

Rudders shall not have components such as trim tabs or moveable winglets, that can be adjusted while racing. However, a movable or retractable device whose sole purpose is the removal of weed or debris is permitted.

9.6

Daggerboards shall not have components such as trim tabs or moveable winglets that can be adjusted while racing; however, a movable or retractable device the sole purpose of which is the removal of weed or debris is permitted.

27.2

Except for repair of, or replacement for, unintended damage, the measurement certificate ceases to be valid if there is any change to:

( c ) the shape of the appendage surfaces;

Question:

A rudder has near horizontal winglets whose angle to the near vertical component of the rudder is fixed when racing. When not racing, the angle of these winglets can be adjusted so only the pitch of the winglets will change. The immersed volume, weight and center of gravity of the rudder would not measurably change
.
Does the measurement certificate remain valid if between races this angle is adjusted but the surface shape of each component of the rudder does not change?

Answer:

No. Adjusting the angle of one surface of an appendage relative to another surface of that appendage constitutes a change to the shape of the appendage surfaces, and invalidates the yacht's measurement certificate in accordance with AC72 Class Rule 27.2 ( c ).



http://noticeboard.a...11/09/PI_19.pdf

[EVK4]

Watching on the St. Francis race cam and a bunch of J105s keep getting in the way while flogging their sails to death. Looks messy out there.

Any action at the batcave today?

[Manfred]

I spent an hour watching their foiling attempts on the bay yesterday... Shot a couple of minutes of consecutive footage with the iPhone I had on me at the time. It's not a smooth or pretty process getting her up on the foils and it's not long before she crashed back down to earth. No foiling episode lasted longer than 30 seconds from leeward bow up lift off to windward bow down fully loaded up landings.. you could literally see the effects of the platform flex from over a mile away with the naked eye. They also sailed with a lot of heel downwind between foilings...

I'm reserving my judgement till im in Auckland next week and can hopefully eyeball ETNZ in action.

...being mega jealous...

[Raked aft \\]

Although it would be a honor to fly with the Blue Angels, I would prefer to watch the video. Even that made me queezy. Ugh.

+1

My ride would consist of a photo op in the cockpit sitting on the tarmack, after that "i'm all good guys, have a nice flight..."

[MrSurly]

Watching on the St. Francis race cam and a bunch of J105s keep getting in the way while flogging their sails to death. Looks messy out there.

Any action at the batcave today?

Getting in the way?
Does that mean the bat boat is out?

[Tony-F18]

They put her in the water about two hours ago.

[Rohanoz]

http://207.150.197.186

Well and truly out there, and practicing the up, up, splat routine.
Looks awesomely fast when they get it right, and with the guys on board - you know they will. Eventually...

Blowing seriously hard out there too. Hope we get some high-res images from today.

Calling Clean - get down there and do what we all pay you handsomely to do!

[Guitar]

No joy on the StFYC cam.

oops, just saw the download JAVA.

[hoom]

No foiling episode lasted longer than 30 seconds from leeward bow up lift off to windward bow down fully loaded up landings..

Its an interesting thing that they seem to crash down windward hull first most of the time.
ETNZ footage/pics show they sometimes drop the windward hull but can generally sail it out after a short kiss, most of the time the lift offs & drops are smooth though.
Can you get that footage up on youtube?

Looking forward to your report on comparison with ETNZ foiling in a couple of weeks

[Xlot]

Blowing seriously hard out there too

24 kts gusting to 29 ...

[Rohanoz]

I love it that the old - amazing, best boats ever, graceful, real sailing - AC90 monos would have been snug in their sheds in these conditions

[Guitar]

Jib only downwind ride?

[Kiwi Spy]

I re-read the Dail Sail interview with Dirk Cramers and saw this little tidbit:

The Protocol for the 34th AC limits teams to building five pairs of daggerboards and it also appears that during the competition they can change their daggerboards daily to suit the anticipated conditions, although each time this would require them going through the procedure of obtaining a new measurement certificate.
Kramers points out making a call on which boards to use will be a difficult one. When you start races in San Francisco, the wind builds quite quickly.

sub required but: http://www.thedailys...-ac72-interview

This has been discussed before and I am not sure he is correct. I believe he isn't considering the following

27.3 Competitors shall obtain written approval of the Measurement Committee prior to making

any repairs or replacements.

27.4 The Measurement Committee will only give written approval to replace an item when they

are satisfied that the damaged item cannot be repaired in a reasonable regatta-constrained

timeframe.

The consensus of the last discussion was that this means you hav eto use whatever you start the regatta with. It will be interesting to see what actually happens

========================
I think that video the other day showing Oracle assembling the foil to the daggerboard so it could easily be changed out is a clue that they believe what Cramer said in the interview. Their system allows just the foil-not the whole daggerboard-to be changed.

The rule is clear that you can only have one measurement certificate at a time. By definition if you get a second certificate (necessary to know that your boat actually passes) then at some point you must have two certificates. There doesn't seem to be any way for a competitor to voluntarily withdraw a certificate, so you can't get into a zero-certificate state mid-series. There doesn't seem to be anyway for a measurement certificate to be withdrawn by the measurers, unless there was a change in a part on the Measurement Form, in which case the whole boat has to be remeasured (unless otherwise prescribed by the class rule). Plus there is a certificate publication process which also needs to be complied with as well as just issuing the piece of paper to the teams. The bad news is that the latest Jury decision made it plain that the rules will be interpreted as written, not as intended or conveniently construed. The penalty for racing with an invalid certificate is usually disqualification from all races sailed with the invalid certificate/mode. Protest on measurement must usually be lodged as soon as the issue is known to another competitor and/or after the boat has sailed in its "new" mode.

The other issue is that in its stance on the measurement condition issue, ACRM is clearly independent - and won't just blindly follow the Defender and Challenger of Record line. Interesting times.

RG

[Boybland]

Oracle looking nice and fast today, boy is it blowing though.

[Tornado-Cat]

The measurement rule and amendment are pretty clear. How long before the race ? or how many measurements possible during a race?

[Rohanoz]

Get the drunk off the camera!

[Tornado-Cat]

Very windy and rubberzilla is going pretty fast, not sure assistance boat can keep up

[Guitar]

various camera operators as well.

[Tornado-Cat]

various camera operators as well.

And not all know how to use it

[EVK4]

I noticed that on the first run I saw...looked pretty fast in that configuration oddly enough.

A guy on the other site (fototaker) got some great shots from yesterday including a fully flat foil (fff). I won't post pressure drop pictures here, you would need to go there to see their stuff. I don't think he's posted his picasa link for everyone to see but *pb posted some.

Jib only downwind ride?

[Guitar]

[Guitar]

She just went over!

[pjh]

Holy shit!

[Boybland]

Oracle over????

[MrSurly]

Oh fuck

[Guitar]

[eric e]

it's OVER

how long will it take to get back up

do they have a mega tender?

it seems to be moving upwind even while the tramp is catching the wind so it must be under tow

or at least being held while they work out what to do

can't pull it back up on that angle...

[Craigj]

Oracle over????

Saw it live!

[Guitar]

[ezyb]

Holy shit i hope someone was recording the stream. Wing looks damaged?

[Guitar]

[Tornado-Cat]

They had been stopped for a some time, I don't know what happened.

[Boybland]

Oracle over????

Saw it live!

Yeah just making sure my mind wasn't playing tricks!!! Really big gust spray everywhere...... bore away slightly, up up up, gone!

[MUNUMANA!!!]

Saw it live to. Looked like it was going over way before it happened.

[Doug Lord]

Damn thats a shame! Hope everybody's ok!

[Boybland]

Top of the wing looks to have seperated away as she lay in the water.

[Tornado-Cat]

Is the tip of the wing broken ?

[Guitar]

Tenders in place already. Looks like a safe position to be in.

[J.A.G.]

Pitchpole!

[maxmini]

San Fran bay don't play ! It's a learning experience .

[slalomskier]

Towing it in upside down. Wing trashed.

[Guitar]

Was watching as well. HOLLY SHIT came out before I knew I was the one saying it. Would imagine some others were saying worse onboard.

Really hope everyone is ok.

[Boybland]

Wing is breaking up into it's main sections, hopefully this is how it is supposed to happen and can be reassembled, can't be good though!

[Tom O'Keefe]

Looks like the wing is broken

[Guitar]

[Palo]

wing looks trashed

[Guitar]

Ok, hard to watch the tow in.

[Tornado-Cat]

A pity to watch the wing disintegrating, piece after pieces.
More difficult to right her than an AC45.
Where is MK II ?

[eric e]

they are towing the mast head round

that big cat that went behind with reefed sail must have some good pics

looks like they are towing it back to base

that wing is toast

hope the spars are ok

[maxmini]

Isn't the wing somewhat sectional? Could they have gotten some techs onboard to unattach the top section for ease of recovery as they did in Newport for ETNZ 45 ? Just guessing .

[Guitar]

Where are they towing it?

[Indio]

http://207.150.197.186

Well and truly out there, and practicing the up, up, splat routine.
Looks awesomely fast when they get it right, and with the guys on board - you know they will. Eventually...
...

Hope they learn it sooner rather than later, before they bellyflop USA17 into the repair shop.

Oooops just seen the report of the pitchpole..hope nobody's injured.

[Palo]

5.5 ebb..... how do you tow that thing? it is going out pretty quick.

[Guitar]

Stingray, any inside contacts to check on safety of crew? That was the long way up to go over. Koukel, where's those stats?

StFYC cam is under control of someone now. Not sharing.

[pjh]

I was on Treasure Island watching.

[krispy kreme]

That's gonna leave a mark

[Guitar]

Yeah, and it won't buff out, we know.

[Tornado-Cat]

I allways found this boat ugly a, not well designed, too flexible, but it's a pain to watch her pulled head down. Can't they right her ? or are they willing to bring her on shore ? somebody from the bay ?