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#1 thetruth

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 07:42 AM

Is in the shed in Gulf Harbour. What news?

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 10:29 AM

Did you get that magazine article?

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Posted 04 October 2012 - 10:58 AM

Didnt you deliver it back and know everyone who knows anything?


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:20 AM

Didnt you deliver it back and know everyone who knows anything?


Good old Offie. Yes I did sail back on it. Just asking a simple question as I am not involved. WA sailing must be just going off after the AUS$21 MILLION that Skipo, Longley and your beloved Ian Campbell took ?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:41 AM

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 12:14 PM


Didnt you deliver it back and know everyone who knows anything?


Good old Offie. Yes I did sail back on it. Just asking a simple question as I am not involved. WA sailing must be just going off after the AUS$21 MILLION that Skipo, Longley and your beloved Ian Campbell took ?


Highest sailing rate per capita for mainland AUS apparently, so pretty well really. Jumped forward in leaps and bounds since you got sacked and left.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:10 AM



Didnt you deliver it back and know everyone who knows anything?


Good old Offie. Yes I did sail back on it. Just asking a simple question as I am not involved. WA sailing must be just going off after the AUS$21 MILLION that Skipo, Longley and your beloved Ian Campbell took ?


Highest sailing rate per capita for mainland AUS apparently, so pretty well really. Jumped forward in leaps and bounds since you got sacked and left.

Facts then bitch

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:49 PM

Muppets

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:06 PM

Sooooo.... Y'all just don't know Squat?

Nice thread.

#10 thetruth

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Posted 20 October 2012 - 06:49 AM

Sooooo.... Y'all just don't know Squat?

Nice thread.


No do you?

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:13 AM

With other failures in mind what has happened to BG? Such a great, well run project it would be a shame to see it stop. Last heard of in a shed in Gulf Harbour but Karl Kwok did reveal in a recent Southern Cross Cup interview that it was being resurrected?



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Posted 18 May 2013 - 12:31 PM

It'll be a year shortly, what's the hold up. Insurance battle?

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 02:03 PM

Don't forget Rambler/Speedboat was in a shed for 18 months!

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 01:59 PM

Yes it can take time but if Karl still owns it I can't see him waiting 12 months to put it back in the water. So there must have been a shit fight along the way, just wondering what that hold up is. Insurance or not? Builder? Owner?

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 05:37 AM

With other failures in mind what has happened to BG?

BG bought a Vespa went to France and now hangs out in his basement belting off over his UF degree.



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Posted 20 May 2013 - 10:06 AM

Where is side show Bob? The Fat Guy in the loft? RG? He would know



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:02 AM

When does the new Botin 80 Beau Gest leave the shed at Cooksons.

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 07:21 AM

Sometime in the next 6 weeks I would say :wub:



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 10:24 PM

I'm guessing the reason Cookson didn't take on Spambloyal100 to repair / refit was because they had Beau Geste in the shed at the same time?



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 07:40 AM

Hope it is soon. Never a good look to launch and trial a boat without serious offshore trials before doing a Hobart. I am sure Gavin is all over it



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 08:49 AM

 

 


Didnt you deliver it back and know everyone who knows anything?


Good old Offie. Yes I did sail back on it. Just asking a simple question as I am not involved. WA sailing must be just going off after the AUS$21 MILLION that Skipo, Longley and your beloved Ian Campbell took ?

 


Highest sailing rate per capita for mainland AUS apparently, so pretty well really. Jumped forward in leaps and bounds since you got sacked and left.

 

Facts then bitch

It's definitely a fact that you got sacked.



#22 thetruth

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Posted 14 November 2013 - 06:45 AM

Provide it then you pathetic cunt. Meanwhile back to the point when is the new BG being launched?



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Posted 18 November 2013 - 05:26 AM

Not long Now



#24 Danno

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 03:27 AM

Here she's is. Gotta fat ass!

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 05:46 AM

splashdown tomorrow



#26 Terrafirma

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:14 AM

Looking forward to seeing her sail, reckon she will give the slower 100's like Wild Thing a real run. Both Botin and Carkeek are up there with the best, in this case Botin, but both these guys designing some real fast boats, the Carkeek 40 a recent example, she has been beating the older TP52's around the course I hear. If they can bridge a 12 foot waterline gap like that with the latest thinking then it stands to reason an 80 footer can bridge the 20 foot gap with an older boat like Wild Thing or Lahana (Lahana not racing off course). I am assuming Beau Geste is a fixed keel design and Wild Thing is a canter so she would have her work cut out in many conditions but let's wait and see, certainly early days but these new designs seem very quick for their given LOA. Good to see Karl switch designers (Not criticising Farr, not my job) but perhaps a change in thinking, I'm sure Gavin and his boys will get her going early. Can't wait...   P.S. Found out the new boat is a canter with dagger boards etc so expect her to be a real rocketship and certainly giving the older 100's the hurry up. She has been built for the ocean with more structure too so pushing her shouldn't be an issue.



#27 fireball

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:27 AM

According to the S2H website, Beau Geste has a canting keel.



#28 Terrafirma

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Posted 20 November 2013 - 06:38 AM

Yes in the end of my post my P.S. says this. Here is the design.

 

 

 

http://www.thedailys...i-yacht-preview     (Scroll down to the pic of boat 97)



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:22 AM

Yes in the end of my post my P.S. says this. Here is the design.

 

 

 

http://www.thedailys...i-yacht-preview     (Scroll down to the pic of boat 97)

 

I count three 80 footers if you include Brindabella at 79 feet.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 07:48 AM

Technically yes but the Swan 82 is a cruiser so gets lost on the list, Brindabella goes about the speed of a modern 60, so their focussing on the racers although they mention Zefiro as a 100 given she is a new boat competing albeit a cruiser. Talking up the 100's this year and why wouldn't you.? At least it's not quite all about Wild Oats for a change, this time around there are other boats in the mix.

Yes in the end of my post my P.S. says this. Here is the design.

 

 

 

http://www.thedailys...i-yacht-preview     (Scroll down to the pic of boat 97)

 

I count three 80 footers if you include Brindabella at 79 feet.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 08:14 AM

Totes awesome.



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Posted 20 November 2013 - 02:19 PM

Both Botin and Carkeek are up there with the best, in this case Botin, but both these guys designing some real fast boats, the Botin designed Carkeek 40 a recent example

 

ftfy.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:12 AM

Article on Sail World with pictures of the launch. Fuck me, she's got some massive daggerboards.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:57 AM

The size, angle and the position almost at the hull/deck-joint is looking crazy! At the right speed these boards should create al lot of lift....

Article on Sail World with pictures of the launch. Fuck me, she's got some massive daggerboards.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:54 AM

Weapon..

 

http://www.sail-worl...t-images/116879



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 12:23 PM

Holy carbon porn....

 

She just looks like a giant killer...

 

HW



#37 Left Hook

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 06:57 PM

That may be the sexiest thing I've ever seen....

 

Will be awesome to see the inevitable match up between this thing and the new Rambler...



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:02 PM

What is the new Rambler?



#39 SloopJohnB

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 07:25 PM

What is the new Rambler?

The old one rolled, so there has to be another. ;)



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:43 PM

Can someone explain the reverse canted daggerboards? Normally they are angled the opposite way i.e, top of the board closer to centerline than bottom. This looks to be the opposite.

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:46 PM

What's up with the angle of those huge boards vs the "norm" that we have seen?

Weapon..

 

http://www.sail-worl...t-images/116879



#42 Royal Flush

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 09:54 PM

What's up with the angle of those huge boards vs the "norm" that we have seen?

Weapon..

 

http://www.sail-worl...t-images/116879

I'd like to know that as well. Macif has a comparable setup

 

macif.jpg



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:07 PM

Give doug a call :ph34r:. The angled boards are about generating vertical lift.



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:37 PM

I'm not sure if it's the angle of the sail-world photos but the fortriangle looks enormous. Odd foredeck hatch too. Small for an 80 footer and offset to port which would be strange for a boat set up for passage racing.

 

The boards do look huge but the rudder foil design is interesting too.

 

Mex



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:39 PM

Word is she's going sea trialling in the next few days

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:41 PM

Fuck me, that thing looks awesome!



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 10:41 PM

Doing sea trials for next few days apparently.

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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:13 PM

Where's the signature dragon?



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Posted 21 November 2013 - 11:55 PM

Give doug a call :ph34r:. The angled boards are about generating vertical lift.

Shhhhhhhhhhhh



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:55 AM

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I trust aus Ocean Racing aficionados and Sydney Hobart watchers have picked up on the significance of the connection to number 97 on the topsides, a good omen going south ?

 

BP255_C_470.jpg



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:52 AM

Beau Geste won the overall handicap honours in 1997 and became the first ever Asian owned boat to do so.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:57 AM


Give doug a call :ph34r:. The angled boards are about generating vertical lift.

Shhhhhhhhhhhh
Its ok In only said it once.




Shit but then you quoted it and now I've quoted it again. That's three time. RUN!

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:01 AM

Beau Geste won the overall handicap honours in 1997 and became the first ever Asian owned boat to do so.

 

it was early 90s

 

the boat (changed hands) went on to win Line Honours



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:05 AM

GS, as you know there was even a boat named Ninety Seven to recognise the return of Hong Kong to the Chinese. Stanley seems to be folowing the tradition.

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:17 AM

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but that WAS a Beau Geste, in 1993 won LINE as 'ninety seven' 



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:26 AM

And he won it on his first go to from memory.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:37 AM

Not sure what you mean Gybeset? Beau Geste won the overall handicap in 97. 

 

http://rolexsydneyho...d=261&raceTime=

 

Beau Geste won the overall handicap honours in 1997 and became the first ever Asian owned boat to do so.

 

it was early 90s

 

the boat (changed hands) went on to win Line Honours



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 02:49 AM

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but that WAS a Beau Geste, in 1993 won LINE as 'ninety seven' 

 

The Farr 47 now at RBYC?



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:04 AM

Not sure what the confusion is about, the question was, what was the significance of the number "97" on the drawings of the new Beau Geste?

 

Beau Geste won the Hobart in "97" and became the 1st Asian boat to do so. As for the Farr 47 Ninety seven it won in 1993 so don't see the connection with 97. Please excuse me if I am wrong?



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:04 AM

1997 was the year that HKG regained its sovereignty.



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:08 AM

Wasn't aware of that Left Hook, so 97 was a big year for Hong Kong and Beau Geste.! Can't wait to see how the new boat performs, it could well frighten all the 100's in certain conditions.?



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:11 AM

terra in 1993 'ninety seven' carried the sail no. 9797 , prior to the year 1997 ! so theres yr connection

 

it may have been a kwok boat prior to the aussie owner thus the sail number,

but i'm now thinking not ?

I do know theres a model or photo at the CYCA of a Beau Geste in the exact same hull colours as 'Ninety Seven', both Farrs, appears similar 

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in any case nos 97 or 9797 has both corrected & Line Honours significance



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:11 AM

Beau Geste - Farr 49 built in 1997 design # 420

97 - farr IMS 47 built in 1993 by "boat speed" ? design # 313

 

Not sure what you mean Gybeset? Beau Geste won the overall handicap in 97. 

 

http://rolexsydneyho...d=261&raceTime=

 

 

Beau Geste won the overall handicap honours in 1997 and became the first ever Asian owned boat to do so.

 

it was early 90s

 

the boat (changed hands) went on to win Line Honours



#64 Giddy Up

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:14 AM

97 was commisioned by an Australian , the yacht has nothing to do with Karl  what so ever

exactly 

 

terra in 1993 'ninety seven' carried the sail no. 9797 , prior to the year 1997 ! so theres yr connection

 

it may have been a kwok boat prior to the aussie owner thus the sail number, note 'may have' 



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:31 AM

1997 was the year that HKG regained its sovereignty.

 

Being returned to China is "regaining sovereignty"??



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:40 AM

Beau Geste - Farr 49 built in 1997 design # 420

97 - farr IMS 47 built in 1993 by "boat speed" ? design # 313

 

 

Not sure what you mean Gybeset? Beau Geste won the overall handicap in 97. 

 

http://rolexsydneyho...d=261&raceTime=

 

 

Beau Geste won the overall handicap honours in 1997 and became the first ever Asian owned boat to do so.

 

it was early 90s

 

the boat (changed hands) went on to win Line Honours

 

design #304 !



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:44 AM

good to see you finally did some research on the matter

 

 

Beau Geste - Farr 49 built in 1997 design # 420

97 - farr IMS 47 built in 1993 by "boat speed" ? design # 313

 

 

Not sure what you mean Gybeset? Beau Geste won the overall handicap in 97. 

 

http://rolexsydneyho...d=261&raceTime=

 

 

Beau Geste won the overall handicap honours in 1997 and became the first ever Asian owned boat to do so.

 

it was early 90s

 

the boat (changed hands) went on to win Line Honours

 

design #304 !



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:55 AM

no research here buddy, i sailed it 



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 03:57 AM

research tip yielded something however

97 was commisioned by an Australian , the yacht has nothing to do with Karl  what so ever

exactly 
 
terra in 1993 'ninety seven' carried the sail no. 9797 , prior to the year 1997 ! so theres yr connection
 
it may have been a kwok boat prior to the aussie owner thus the sail number, note 'may have'

 
btw giddy mr. wrong (twice) 
 
you are about to come undone again
 
"In the lead was Ninetyseven, the new 47ft IMS yacht owned by a syndicate of Australian and Hong Kong businessmen"
_______________________________________________--

actually this 'research' caper is a right bugger!

Beau Geste won the overall handicap honours in 1997 and became the first ever Asian owned boat to do so.

 

Except for Hong Kongs Ciel III in 1973,

 

thats the lexcen predecessor of larger Gingko/Apollo ad cuppers

So i'm thinking Beau Geste has the right 'bloodlines' to win in 2013
 



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 04:35 AM

Anyone find that bow shape vaguely reminiscent of the Origin Tp52 from Juan?

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 04:36 AM

wrong twice?? just because i quoted Bribon's design number ( 97s successor) doesnt make me wrong. oh and by the way, I think you will find that it was named 97 as Strachan had bussiness dealings in HK...doesnt mean that kwok had anything to do with it ....as you were implying that Strachan may had purchased it from him...so stop twisting the story to try and make yourself right !

and Gybe. stop editing your posts anfter others reply...

research tip yielded something however

 

97 was commisioned by an Australian , the yacht has nothing to do with Karl  what so ever

exactly 
 
terra in 1993 'ninety seven' carried the sail no. 9797 , prior to the year 1997 ! so theres yr connection
 
it may have been a kwok boat prior to the aussie owner thus the sail number, note 'may have'

 
btw giddy mr. wrong (twice) 
 
you are about to come undone again
 
"In the lead was Ninetyseven, the new 47ft IMS yacht owned by a syndicate of Australian and Hong Kong businessmen"
_______________________________________________--

actually this 'research' caper is a right bugger!

>

Beau Geste won the overall handicap honours in 1997 and became the first ever Asian owned boat to do so.

 

Except for Hong Kongs Ciel III in 1973,

 

thats the lexcen predecessor of larger Gingko/Apollo ad cuppers

So i'm thinking Beau Geste has the right 'bloodlines' to win in 2013
 



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 04:40 AM

no research here buddy, i sailed it 

thats funny...I dont remember sitting beside you on the rail the year it was commisioned!

nor 2 other years I raced on it!

 

anyway...I dont give a rats....I was only stating that 97 and BG were 2 diff boats commisioned by 2 different people



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 06:40 AM

8 times AC International Yachting Journalist = " "In the lead was Ninetyseven, the new 47ft IMS yacht owned by a syndicate of Australian and Hong Kong businessmen"



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 07:52 AM

wrong twice?? just because i quoted Bribon's design number ( 97s successor) doesnt make me wrong. oh and by the way, I think you will find that it was named 97 as Strachan had bussiness dealings in HK...doesnt mean that kwok had anything to do with it ....as you were implying that Strachan may had purchased it from him...so stop twisting the story to try and make yourself right !

and Gybe. stop editing your posts anfter others reply...

research tip yielded something however

 

97 was commisioned by an Australian , the yacht has nothing to do with Karl  what so ever

exactly 
 
terra in 1993 'ninety seven' carried the sail no. 9797 , prior to the year 1997 ! so theres yr connection
 
it may have been a kwok boat prior to the aussie owner thus the sail number, note 'may have'

 
btw giddy mr. wrong (twice) 
 
you are about to come undone again
 
"In the lead was Ninetyseven, the new 47ft IMS yacht owned by a syndicate of Australian and Hong Kong businessmen"
_______________________________________________--

actually this 'research' caper is a right bugger!

>>>

Beau Geste won the overall handicap honours in 1997 and became the first ever Asian owned boat to do so.

 

Except for Hong Kongs Ciel III in 1973,

 

thats the lexcen predecessor of larger Gingko/Apollo ad cuppers

So i'm thinking Beau Geste has the right 'bloodlines' to win in 2013
 

 

Gee i seem to remember that Ginko had been sold & moved to Italy when Ceil III was launched... well hanging around MHYC in the lead up to that Southern Cross Cup.  The "Ginko"/"Apollo" design was the big One Tonner rule or were they 2 tonners,when built? Only remember Plumb Crazy was a 1/4 tonner as i was having too much fun in Cherubs at the time, to get bogged down in IOR Mks1-3b or whatever.

SPORTSCAR,Chris 249 & "Judge" may fill us in on facts ... JUDGE wrote = "Pazzaz" was a three quarter ton version of the 1973 S2H winer "Ciel 111" that was a One Tonner based on the "Ginko"/"Apollo" design. Rick Laycock commissioned her to replace his very successful S&S 34 "Aquila" but she turned out to be a gold plated dog. Beautifully built in cold moulded cedar with all the latest bells and whistles for the 1975 season, but she never did much, even in the best hands; those side trench cockpits were a dumb idea on a 35 footer with only about 13 feet of beam; anything over about 12 knots and they were half full of water half the time." Maybe



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 09:33 AM

What is the new Rambler?

The old one rolled, so there has to be another. ;)

 

Oh, No! Are you meaning anarchists could have missed something going on in Maine ?



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 10:01 AM

Gybeset you are off the mark in terms of relevance to your own original question. The way I see it is as follows: (As I said from my first post, don't know why you had to go complicate things)

 

 

1. Beau Geste won the overall Hobart in 97.. Hong Kong was handed back. - Lets keep it simple , 97 was a good year for Karl and for those reasons..! Simple Really..... (Andrew Strachan's boat had nothing to do with it..!)

 

 

Can we move on, I am more interested in Beau Geste and their chances for 2013, the boat looks like 80 feet of weapon, I'm starting to sniff some hurry up for the 100's..!



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 10:25 AM

+1000

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:11 AM

 Only remember Plumb Crazy was a 1/4 tonner as i was having too much fun in Cherubs...

 

 

I remember Plumb Crazy as that almost as wide as long purple yacht at MHYC as I sailed out in the flying ant each race day.

 

 

Apologies for the derail....

 

Back to normal programming with GS and others smacking each other.....



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 12:15 PM

why not

 

back to Karl Kwok weapons, sail no. 1997,  9797 and the race S2H



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 01:09 PM

1997 was the year that HKG regained its sovereignty.

 
Being returned to China is "regaining sovereignty"??

Yeah, I don't think geography, history or social studies are strong points of the little punk.....

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Posted 22 November 2013 - 09:28 PM

CRIKEY !

 

http://www.rolexsydn...-sydney-hobart/

Ninety Seven signed on for 2013 Rolex Sydney Hobart

the Cruising Yacht Club of Australia is pleased to announce that 97 entries have been received for the 2013 Rolex Sydney Hobart 

 

BP255_C_470.jpgsail no. HKG1997



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Posted 22 November 2013 - 11:16 PM

From what I've heard, the top of the boards were originally canted inboard to have the most efficient surface area acting to reduce leeway and produce lift to windward.

 

Then, after some testing apparently, they discovered that it's possible to cant the top of the boards outboard, and produce vertical lift without sacrificing too much in the way of windward lift. Hence why the past generation of VO70s had either vertical boards or slightly canted outwards (There was discussion on this in one of the threads for that edition).

 

This is all heresay, no numbers or references, but it's what I remember reading.

 

HW

 

 

What's up with the angle of those huge boards vs the "norm" that we have seen?

Weapon..

 

http://www.sail-worl...t-images/116879

I'd like to know that as well. Macif has a comparable setup

 

macif.jpg



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 12:15 AM

These boards are massive. Looks like 16 or 20 ft long??

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Posted 23 November 2013 - 12:57 AM

Anyone find that bow shape vaguely reminiscent of the Origin Tp52 from Juan?

Or Bernard Stamm's, Juan K. designed, Open 60



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 01:01 AM

Anyone find that bow shape vaguely reminiscent of the Origin Tp52 from Juan?

Or Bernard Stamm's, Juan K. designed, Open 60

Or Juan K and Botin's VOR70s



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 01:02 AM

I recall Farr's open 60 for JP Dick a few years back being talked about for outward canted boards and I recall hearing the lift story then

 

From what I've heard, the top of the boards were originally canted inboard to have the most efficient surface area acting to reduce leeway and produce lift to windward.

 

Then, after some testing apparently, they discovered that it's possible to cant the top of the boards outboard, and produce vertical lift without sacrificing too much in the way of windward lift. Hence why the past generation of VO70s had either vertical boards or slightly canted outwards (There was discussion on this in one of the threads for that edition).

 

This is all heresay, no numbers or references, but it's what I remember reading.

 

HW

 

 

 

What's up with the angle of those huge boards vs the "norm" that we have seen?

Weapon..

 

http://www.sail-worl...t-images/116879

I'd like to know that as well. Macif has a comparable setup

 

macif.jpg



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 01:04 AM

Love It..It's getting spookey now..

 

CRIKEY !

 

http://www.rolexsydn...-sydney-hobart/

Ninety Seven signed on for 2013 Rolex Sydney Hobart

the Cruising Yacht Club of Australia is pleased to announce that 97 entries have been received for the 2013 Rolex Sydney Hobart 

 

BP255_C_470.jpgsail no. HKG1997



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 01:05 AM

Can we move on, I am more interested in Beau Geste and their chances for 2013, the boat looks like 80 feet of weapon, I'm starting to sniff some hurry up for the 100's..!

 

As there's usually a good chunk of upwind work in S2H, frequently heavy you'd have to believe that in those conditions an 80 foot surfboard's not going to trouble the bigger boats - as long as they all hang together.  Downwind in the heavy?  Well maybe, reaching?  50/50 - length matters.

 

And I'm pretty sure dayglow orange foils are faster than gold



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 01:21 AM

This seems like modern day talk like the Bobsled/ Frieght Train mini maxi V Brindabella chat of old :)



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 03:50 AM

Gavin Brady has been snapping some pics, most are the same to the previous link.

 

http://www.botinpart...oject.php?id=58

 

As for an 80 foot surfboard not troubling the 100's in the Hobart just because of some upwind work don't be so sure. I think this is a little more sophisticated than a surfboard, LOL



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 06:43 AM

Gavin Brady has been snapping some pics, most are the same to the previous link.

 

http://www.botinpart...oject.php?id=58

 

As for an 80 foot surfboard not troubling the 100's in the Hobart just because of some upwind work don't be so sure. I think this is a little more sophisticated than a surfboard, LOL

 

how now scow bow !



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 10:08 AM

Gavin Brady has been snapping some pics, most are the same to the previous link.

 

http://www.botinpart...oject.php?id=58

 

As for an 80 foot surfboard not troubling the 100's in the Hobart just because of some upwind work don't be so sure. I think this is a little more sophisticated than a surfboard, LOL

 

I was going to diss the surfboard like you ..

 

untill i saw pic#1 the bow  (i550, skate,VJ) 

 

_________________________________

 

duncan ...  yeah , scow meets Large pencil; sharpener

 

I reckon it's aimed to exceed it's rated speed planing/surfing in fresh downwind, In fresh gap  the Vo70s whilst Loyal & Co may not be able to get far enough ahead ! especially if they are backing off

 

upwind ?? we'll see



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:31 AM

its a pretty radical hullform.. looks like the bottom third of a scow hull glued to of a pair of stressed plank sides with a stern slapped on the back.

 

will be interesting to see how she goes.



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 08:51 PM

if that hull proves successful upwind & all round it will be a boon for the home builders of smaller boats

 

i.e flat panel construction

 

come in Leech, Michael Storer D Dix



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:01 PM

I believe the Carkeek 40 which is not too dissimilar is really flying downwind. Wild Oats has adopted DSS to assist the boat in downhill conditions and to stop the bow burying. By the look of Beau Geste, the reverse daggerboards and scow bow etc she will surf her way ahead of the bigger boats if conditions permit. We could be seeing the next generation here in this design, the Carkeek 40 has been beating the 1st gen TP52's around the track, this thing could well do the same to some of the 100's. I haven't been this excited about a Hobart for a long time, bring it on.



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Posted 23 November 2013 - 11:06 PM

I agree the design seems to bias toward passage or downwind

 

If you wanted to go upwind you'd surely cant the daggers the old way and lose the Flat bow sections  

 

as a passage boat with limitted upwind time this might be the way 

 

 

i think the 40s bow is less flat than this one tho overall similar appearance for sure 



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 07:05 AM

I wonder if Beau Geste is virtually the same as the 100 they designed a while ago.? Love to see one of these thrown into the mix..

 

http://sailinganarch...anarchy (1).jpg    http://carkeekdesign...ortfolio/c100r/    

 

C100 Racer

.

The Carkeek 100 is a record breaker, designed to win under IRC either offshore over long distances or inshore around the buoys. She has a lightweight structure, highly optimised with extensive FEA for maximum stiffness to weight ratio and a low VCG allowing target boatspeeds to be achieved from a proportionally smaller sailplan. This results in lighter sails, lighter loads, easier sail management, and a boat which is easily driven.

The Carkeek 100 incorporates the latest grand prix developments into her hullform design, capable of sustaining high average speeds even in light airs, but with enough stability to support her large power to weight ratio in heavier conditions. This in combination with a high ballast to displacement ratio, and high sail area to displacement ratio allow her to excel upwind in light and heavy airs.

The forms and balance characteristics were carefully designed with owner-drivers and pro helmsmen in mind using our in-house CFD and performance prediction and balance software. These tools were used to calculate optimum appendage configuration, size and position. The deck layout and design of the clean over-size cockpit are directly inspired by VOR and maxi grand prix layouts, centred around creating an ergonomic platform to allow fast but safe sailing, sail handling, and manoeuvring and includes the latest TP 52 and VOR detailing.

The yacht features the following:

- Light displacement, high performance hull form
- Optimised carbon pre-preg/Nomex/Kevlar honeycomb construction throughout
- High/Ultra-high modulus carbon rig
- IRC optimised and ability to mode for ww/lw and offshore racing
- Topmast carbon backstays and hydraulically actuated deflectors
- Twin carbon checkstays with hydraulically actuated deflectors
- Canting keel
- Powered systems and trim controls



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 11:37 AM

I wonder if Beau Geste is virtually the same as the 100 they designed a while ago.? Love to see one of these thrown into the mix..

 

http://sailinganarch...anarchy (1).jpg    http://carkeekdesign...ortfolio/c100r/    

 

C100 Racer

.

The Carkeek 100 is a record breaker, designed to win under IRC either offshore over long distances or inshore around the buoys. She has a lightweight structure, highly optimised with extensive FEA for maximum stiffness to weight ratio and a low VCG allowing target boatspeeds to be achieved from a proportionally smaller sailplan. This results in lighter sails, lighter loads, easier sail management, and a boat which is easily driven.

The Carkeek 100 incorporates the latest grand prix developments into her hullform design, capable of sustaining high average speeds even in light airs, but with enough stability to support her large power to weight ratio in heavier conditions. This in combination with a high ballast to displacement ratio, and high sail area to displacement ratio allow her to excel upwind in light and heavy airs.

The forms and balance characteristics were carefully designed with owner-drivers and pro helmsmen in mind using our in-house CFD and performance prediction and balance software. These tools were used to calculate optimum appendage configuration, size and position. The deck layout and design of the clean over-size cockpit are directly inspired by VOR and maxi grand prix layouts, centred around creating an ergonomic platform to allow fast but safe sailing, sail handling, and manoeuvring and includes the latest TP 52 and VOR detailing.

The yacht features the following:

- Light displacement, high performance hull form
- Optimised carbon pre-preg/Nomex/Kevlar honeycomb construction throughout
- High/Ultra-high modulus carbon rig
- IRC optimised and ability to mode for ww/lw and offshore racing
- Topmast carbon backstays and hydraulically actuated deflectors
- Twin carbon checkstays with hydraulically actuated deflectors
- Canting keel
- Powered systems and trim controls

What I don't understand is why this typeform is rated competitively under IRC whereas lighter boats under 45 foot get crucified.

Thought the rule was supposed to be biased to dual purpose boats.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:20 PM

I wonder if Beau Geste is virtually the same as the 100 they designed a while ago.? Love to see one of these thrown into the mix..

 

http://sailinganarch...anarchy (1).jpg    http://carkeekdesign...ortfolio/c100r/    

 

C100 Racer

.

The Carkeek 100 is a record breaker, designed to win under IRC either offshore over long distances or inshore around the buoys. She has a lightweight structure, highly optimised with extensive FEA for maximum stiffness to weight ratio and a low VCG allowing target boatspeeds to be achieved from a proportionally smaller sailplan. This results in lighter sails, lighter loads, easier sail management, and a boat which is easily driven.

The Carkeek 100 incorporates the latest grand prix developments into her hullform design, capable of sustaining high average speeds even in light airs, but with enough stability to support her large power to weight ratio in heavier conditions. This in combination with a high ballast to displacement ratio, and high sail area to displacement ratio allow her to excel upwind in light and heavy airs.

The forms and balance characteristics were carefully designed with owner-drivers and pro helmsmen in mind using our in-house CFD and performance prediction and balance software. These tools were used to calculate optimum appendage configuration, size and position. The deck layout and design of the clean over-size cockpit are directly inspired by VOR and maxi grand prix layouts, centred around creating an ergonomic platform to allow fast but safe sailing, sail handling, and manoeuvring and includes the latest TP 52 and VOR detailing.

The yacht features the following:

- Light displacement, high performance hull form
- Optimised carbon pre-preg/Nomex/Kevlar honeycomb construction throughout
- High/Ultra-high modulus carbon rig
- IRC optimised and ability to mode for ww/lw and offshore racing
- Topmast carbon backstays and hydraulically actuated deflectors
- Twin carbon checkstays with hydraulically actuated deflectors
- Canting keel
- Powered systems and trim controls

 

Damn, they tried to lift the 100 from Botin too? lol.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 01:21 PM

What I don't understand is why this typeform is rated competitively under IRC whereas lighter boats under 45 foot get crucified.

Thought the rule was supposed to be biased to dual purpose boats.

 

That's really oversimplified and somewhat a myth. A good design will win more often than not. Look at the 40's, they are winning pretty comprehensively.






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