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[x2sea]

Clarification: what I meant to make clear was that as soon as you have passed north of one or other of the west or east markings at each end of a gate, you can dive south.

Smelli
you just need to cross the line , i spent two updates above the line and it updated to green

The Race Instructions are very clear on this: Sailing Instructions
m2for

[fevasailor]

looking at my track, I have been a plonker...

[smellibits]

Thanks.

The bunny has been evaporated.

Apologies to Briar and Cyrille.

I had, and have had in mind for a little while now, which I've just refound, post #276, which suggested otherwise.

smelli

[dinghydoc]

If you are ahead of me lower than 6,000th place you must circle both gates completely before sailing on to the next gate. If you already passed the gate just go back and give them both a spin.


(worth a try)

[x2sea]

If you are ahead of me lower than 6,000th place you must circle both gates completely before sailing on to the next gate. If you already passed the gate just go back and give them both a spin.


(worth a try)

Obviously made up and a spurious rule. On the other hand, paragraph 3.1 Passing Gates (not to be confused with Para 3.2 Passing Wind), clearly stipulates that,
if you are less than 55 yrs of age, and
lower than 8,000th place,
upon successfully Passing a Gate,
you are required to take a 4 hour nap before considering subsequent navigation.

This is a Rule 2 stipulation to make the game fair to senior skippers who are unavoidably overcome with excitement at accomplishing a successful movement, consequently falling asleep during the next iteration.

(only fair)

[ronin]

you're all wrong. the correct rule is that if you're not me, you're simply not allowed to log in gor a month

done

[briartrtpd..]

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I'm looking at 6times7 and thinking that extra 200 miles to the east of me is going to be hard to get back

[klymen]

I'm looking at 6times7 and thinking that extra 200 miles to the east of me is going to be hard to get back

200 miles? I have 1300 miles to claw back! One boat at a time. There's a trio about 100nm east of me that better keep a look out unless they want me to appear on their transom Jean Le Cam-style. At least for us back-markers the wind is filling in a bit, though its also looking a bit erratic for the next little while. Depending on exactly where you are on the course there could be some big wins or further losses...

p.s. thanks for the rankings!

[6times7]

Clarification: what I meant to make clear was that as soon as you have passed north of one or other of the west or east markings at each end of a gate, you can dive south.

Smelli
you just need to cross the line , i spent two updates above the line and it updated to green

The Race Instructions are very clear on this: Sailing Instructions
m2for

/pedantic on
Well kind of, what they say is '.....whereas the red tracks, in the bottom 2 images are incorrect and will not validate your route'

But one of the bottom images has a green track dipping the line....
/pedantic off

Having these gates is making the southern ocean much more tactical than the 'hook into a low and send it' i was expecting. I'm sure there will be more passing oportunitities on the next ones, especially for the hunters - it's why I rolled the dice on a big dive south after the last gate.


Anyone found the group rankings? I keep getting told I can't use all the features as my account isn't validated, but when I try to reply to the validation e-mail it comes up with a 'parametres incorrects', error message

[briartrtpd..]

this link will give you the sailing anarchy group

http://www.virtualre...s=22555#content
it seems to be delayed position.

I never worked out how the groups of 10 racing against each other works i have set up 2 groups
v0g2012 sailing anarchy 1 and 2 but you cant invite people to join so i gave up trying to get it to work

[6times7]

Cheers briar - it was the rankings for the groups of 10 thing I was looking for - wondered how sa were getting on, guess they haven't got it up and running.

[DRIFTW00D]

Any one seen any artists making art work with their tracks??

These gates are a challenge. Throw in a hole at the line and it becomes something else To cross east. west or middle has the gray matter working over time. Seems best VMG East is the on to go to. But once crossed heading east is all VMG. There must be a better way than just guessing???

Join the racing VG2012 SAILING ANARCHY Team Race teams here and here

http://www.virtualre...?id_groupe=9035

http://www.virtualre...?id_groupe=8834

Come on Whos IN!!

[gusmus]

Any one seen any artists making art work with their tracks?

I most certainly have. My own track is an artisic impression of Wall street, City of London, and any other stock exchange you may think of. It goes up. It goes down. It goes anywhere I wish to point it. Just like the manipulators of the stock exchange,,,, I can do whatever I want and the general public have no idea nor control over what the fuck is going on,,,,,,,,, unless you can afford the pro sails and the autopilot.

[Mr. Fixit's brother,, Mr. Fixit]

Clarification: what I meant to make clear was that as soon as you have passed north of one or other of the west or east markings at each end of a gate, you can dive south.

Smelli
you just need to cross the line , i spent two updates above the line and it updated to green

The Race Instructions are very clear on this: Sailing Instructions
m2for

/pedantic on
Well kind of, what they say is '.....whereas the red tracks, in the bottom 2 images are incorrect and will not validate your route'

But one of the bottom images has a green track dipping the line....
/pedantic off

Having these gates is making the southern ocean much more tactical than the 'hook into a low and send it' i was expecting. I'm sure there will be more passing oportunitities on the next ones, especially for the hunters - it's why I rolled the dice on a big dive south after the last gate.


Anyone found the group rankings? I keep getting told I can't use all the features as my account isn't validated, but when I try to reply to the validation e-mail it comes up with a 'parametres incorrects', error message

One of the other 'benefits' of the ice gates is commercial. Had the boats been able to dive extreme south immediately, they would likely be a thousand miles further down the racecourse and flying right in front of a system. This racecourse makes the race XXX times longer and gives the sponsors that much more value. Personally I'd rather be at 65S watching the degrees tick away.

[Maxion]

I'm looking at 6times7 and thinking that extra 200 miles to the east of me is going to be hard to get back

200 miles? I have 1300 miles to claw back! One boat at a time. There's a trio about 100nm east of me that better keep a look out unless they want me to appear on their transom Jean Le Cam-style. At least for us back-markers the wind is filling in a bit, though its also looking a bit erratic for the next little while. Depending on exactly where you are on the course there could be some big wins or further losses...

p.s. thanks for the rankings!

Us back markers in the 30k region are going to have a bad time in the next week, we're all going to run slower than the leaders, sadly

[gusmus]

Clarification: what I meant to make clear was that as soon as you have passed north of one or other of the west or east markings at each end of a gate, you can dive south.

Smelli
you just need to cross the line , i spent two updates above the line and it updated to green

The Race Instructions are very clear on this: Sailing Instructions
m2for

/pedantic on
Well kind of, what they say is '.....whereas the red tracks, in the bottom 2 images are incorrect and will not validate your route'

But one of the bottom images has a green track dipping the line....
/pedantic off

Having these gates is making the southern ocean much more tactical than the 'hook into a low and send it' i was expecting. I'm sure there will be more passing oportunitities on the next ones, especially for the hunters - it's why I rolled the dice on a big dive south after the last gate.


Anyone found the group rankings? I keep getting told I can't use all the features as my account isn't validated, but when I try to reply to the validation e-mail it comes up with a 'parametres incorrects', error message

One of the other 'benefits' of the ice gates is commercial. Had the boats been able to dive extreme south immediately, they would likely be a thousand miles further down the racecourse and flying right in front of a system. This racecourse makes the race XXX times longer and gives the sponsors that much more value. Personally I'd rather be at 65S watching the degrees tick away.

In the first version of the VOR when we were approaching the cape we few noticed a hole in the gap between the St Helena high and the lows coming through from Cape Horn. We went for it and in about 3 days we were riding a white swan and with the gribs set we couldn't lose. After a few days of orgasms we fell off of the back of the front which no grib in the world agreed with until Mr Sebastrinoidea admitted that they had slowed the gribs by 2 hours so we didn't get into CapeTown before the real boats. I still think that was a shit thing to do and haven't forgiven them.

[briartrtpd..]

there has been carnage at the top of the leader board , dreams shattered and maybe some real heros emerging
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[briartrtpd..]

in the game they appear to have an extra set of gates that aren't in the sailing instructions

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[gusmus]

in the game they appear to have an extra set of gates that aren't in the sailing instructions

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Well untill they appeare on the map they can stuff them up their "FROGGIE" assholes. Ice gates? those fuckers don't need Ice gates... They need bars on the friggin windows, never mind gates. Lock all of the bastards up for 300 years and we'd still have a friggin problem with Ice gates and the Freench Way of doing De Stoof. Feerst ov allll ju have to keeeel ze frog..... (Fucking good idea). I'm behind you all ZE Vey.
.

[dinghydoc]

in the game they appear to have an extra set of gates that aren't in the sailing instructions

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Oh, I was already planning my route based on that gate! Is it real or not? Ha, this would be a good trick guys. Maybe I will do a little research before I go skipping a gate.

No secret I'm going for the middle of the Crozet gate. Must admit it's a bit of a twisted strategy. Not sure it matters much, middle or east end at this point. The direction to head after the gate is a real brain buster though. For those of us getting to the Crozet in the next 8-16 hours I'm not sure diving south is going to pay off. Looks like you have to go a long ways to make much gain if the forecast holds. However, that only applies if that next gate is a REAL gate!!

[dinghydoc]

Anyone notice that the Regatta News boat is heading more than 90 degrees away from the course line? They must really want to get south.

[gusmus]

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Oh, I was already planning my route based on that gate! Is it real or not? Ha, this would be a good trick guys. Maybe I will do a little research before I go skipping a gate.

No secret I'm going for the middle of the Crozet gate. Must admit it's a bit of a twisted strategy. Not sure it matters much, middle or east end at this point. The direction to head after the gate is a real brain buster though. For those of us getting to the Crozet in the next 8-16 hours I'm not sure diving south is going to pay off. Looks like you have to go a long ways to make much gain if the forecast holds. However, that only applies if that next gate is a REAL gate!!

Well wherever they decide to put it,, I'm getting pissed off for wasting my time. Damned good job I'm "sin options" otherwise I'd be exploding by now,

[Mr. Fixit's brother,, Mr. Fixit]

It is in the sailing instructions as amendment 5. It's the Porte Amsterdam gate.

[gusmus]

It is in the sailing instructions as amendment 5. It's the Porte Amsterdam gate.

Ohh goody. We can all smoke legal joints as we pass ehh?

[Mr. Fixit's brother,, Mr. Fixit]

It is in the sailing instructions as amendment 5. It's the Porte Amsterdam gate.

Ohh goody. We can all smoke legal joints as we pass ehh?

[gusmus]

After looking at it. It's the original N mark for the Kerguellens. You have to pass N of that mark before the ice gate. Basically. " Don't go further S than this".

[smellibits]

6times7 definitely will and smellibits may catch some decent wind, with good angles, developing more or less on the rhumb line to the next gate, but I can't see anyone else making it readily.

So it looks like the rich will get richer over the next couple of days, compounded by some ( relative ) windholes developing down to the south making that a really quite tricky alternative option.

Feel ( a bit, but not too much of course)for Briar and Cyrille who really got screwed over the last 24 hours. Snakes and ladders. Just waiting to get bitten.

[busybeeolympia]

Anyone notice that the Regatta News boat is heading more than 90 degrees away from the course line? They must really want to get south.

Try clicking on it. It features a news report now.

[briartrtpd..]

Im sure it wasn't there yesterday

Add Port Amsterdam 40°00S /077°00E -­‐ 084°00 E.

[gusmus]

6times7 definitely will and smellibits may catch some decent wind, with good angles, developing more or less on the rhumb line to the next gate, but I can't see anyone else making it readily.

So it looks like the rich will get richer over the next couple of days, compounded by some ( relative ) windholes developing down to the south making that a really quite tricky alternative option.

Feel ( a bit, but not too much of course)for Briar and Cyrille who really got screwed over the last 24 hours. Snakes and ladders. Just waiting to get bitten.

But you've got it easy mate. all you have to do is haul in the brails and pull up the leeboards. Well I suppose that if the sprit whacks you round the earhole on a gybe it'll set the bells ringing, then you should have thought of that before setting off round the world on a thames barge.

[DRIFTW00D]

Regatta News boat is

Mr Sebastrinoideas' boat??

43S 111E target Zezo

[gusmus]

Regatta News boat is

Mr Sebastrinoideas' boat??

43S 111E target Zezo

Full of fucking journalists.... I bet that they all work for news international.. They think that Prince Charles is sailing one of the fuckers.

[briartrtpd..]

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[elby]

ALL SAILORS WHO THINK THAT THEY HAVE CLEARED THE ICE-GATE, CHECK THE COLOUR OF THE ICE-GATE FLAGS!!!

[briartrtpd..]

its great what you can do with microsft paint, i aint going back!

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[briartrtpd..]

but this appears to be the flags for the top 3000 boats , so turn around and back you go

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[elby]

scottmax and m2for (the green lines...)

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[briartrtpd..]

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[elby]

I LIKE!

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[x2sea]

[elby]

I did get above the 39th parallel but my naviguessing has sucked lately.

what do the flags say???

[x2sea]

flags are green.
btw how do you post just the pic in this forum?
craig

[scottmax]

I've got the ticks on the flags, no need to turn back.

[elby]

flags are green.
btw how do you post just the pic in this forum?
craig

click 'more reply options' at the bottom... attach file at the bottom...

[elby]

ALL SAILORS WHO THINK THAT THEY HAVE CLEARED THE ICE-GATE, CHECK THE COLOUR OF THE ICE-GATE FLAGS!!!

better safe than sorry...

[x2sea]

flags are green.
btw how do you post just the pic in this forum?
craig

click 'more reply options' at the bottom... attach file at the bottom...

Thank you
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[dinghydoc]

I've noticed that sometimes the green course lines do not show the real track of a boat. Even my own course line will sometimes take odd short cuts. So it may look like some people did not go north of the gate but they actually did. Still a good idea to check those gate flags to make 100%. Having to turn around would really suck.

Well, it looks pretty clear that I should of stuck with those of you that went straight for the east end! Nice call. Now banging head on keyboard. I'll get you at the next gate. Ha. At least you could put a TV screen on your transoms so I could have something to watch at night.

[briartrtpd..]

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[elby]

just 2485 non-payers to catch... (it sounds so easy...)

[briartrtpd..]

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[FINS]

FUNNY my gigabyte in this race, GOAT RODEO, has decided to take a break and fix things (I'm getting tired of the 2 am changes) so I am in lighter winds sailing almost due east and making up places (5778). Maybe shorter distance will work out for me.... The other thing is tired of watching the boats with Code 0's sailing a few knots faster.

[Cyrille Hydrogene]

With hindsight, I can admit I made a mistake aiming for the Western part of the gate (as did Wing it!). I lost a lot of ground to 6times7 and smellibits, who have made the good tactical choice crossing at the last moment possible.
It's going to be hard to catch up, but anything can still happen!

Eau Gazeuse

[x2sea]

Woot, Woot! I just broke the 9,000th place barrier!. . . .small pleasures. . .
just sayiin'

[x2sea]

With hindsight, I can admit I made a mistake aiming for the Western part of the gate (as did Wing it!). I lost a lot of ground to 6times7 and smellibits, who have made the good tactical choice crossing at the last moment possible.
It's going to be hard to catch up, but anything can still happen!

Eau Gazeuse

I'm curious to see how Eau Gazeuse and GruffT come together -- opposite strategies between Gates 2 and 3.
m2for (middle road, which rarely pays)

[6times7]

Next few days forecast has more holes than a swiss cheese, and some big opportunities - seeing how it's going to pay off is all part of the fun... and if someone can remind me of this when I hit a wall that would be cool! SA'ers are all fairly well spread over the course so sure someone will have the chance before too long....

[briartrtpd..]

Next few days forecast has more holes than a swiss cheese, and some big opportunities - seeing how it's going to pay off is all part of the fun... and if someone can remind me of this when I hit a wall that would be cool! SA'ers are all fairly well spread over the course so sure someone will have the chance before too long....

Don't get too comfortable up there, it is a minor problem that the distance is increasing each wind change!

[briartrtpd..]

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[briartrtpd..]

I have added a distance to "catch the f....er" at the front field, it will only stay until i get totally demoralised

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[DRIFTW00D]

Same old same old 400,000 plugs pulled!! This time I need to jibe in 11 min, Would not be so bad If I did not just drop on to a sleigh ride and was not going 20 frinen Kns

[fogmachine]

A few days ago m2for and I almost collided at night, he went to the West Crozet gate and I went East, at one point we had more than 100 miles of leverage. We've come back together, and East was better - by maybe ~40 minutes. The light air of the ridge between us and the Amsterdam gate be the next chance to split.

It looks like the VirtualRegattaNews deep south strategy didn't go so well, and maybe our little pack (also with scottmax and hutspot77) will pass a few more of the iceberg tourists.

[gruffT]

Fairaway - where are you going fella? Is it that bad? Have you given up and joined the VOR, heading to Dubhai? I sure hope my routing holds up - could be a very sticky end otherwise.....

[dinghydoc]

Fairaway - where are you going fella? Is it that bad? Have you given up and joined the VOR, heading to Dubhai? I sure hope my routing holds up - could be a very sticky end otherwise.....

I think Fairaway turned his boat is a protest billboard and pointed it north. Got screwed one too many times I guess.

I feel like the Lone Ranger at the moment. Almost everyone else went high or low of the rhumb line. I was headed high when the router suddenly said "no, changed my mind, stick to the middle". I'll stop feeding him if it turns out badly but if I end up no further behind Me Rongo, grufft and Pigasus than I was the gruel will continue to flow. Picking a route through this mess of highs and lows is fun!

EDIT: I realize now Goat Rodeo is coming up the middle to my SW. Looks like a good line as well. I didn't count smelli and 6x7 who are nearly at the gate! They went straight down the line.

[briartrtpd..]

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[Cyrille Hydrogene]

Latest, 6times7 and Smellibits to hit the gate today - Can you leave it open for the rest of us - thanks
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Thanks for the rankings Briar. It's even more interesting with the distance to the leaders! It's a great motivation tool to try to catch up with 6x7 and smelli

[smellibits]

Agree 100% with Cyrille.

Thanks Briar.

Great job you and Briar have done getting up towards the mark - but pain to come for a little while? Ugh !

Guys who have carved through and from the north west - good stuff.

Both sets have some great boat speed when I've dipped in and had a look over the last 24 hours or so, and big boat speed = jism or something colourable.

Those fuckers ( I think we need semi affectionate abuse for whomever is in or near the front ), specificaly those calling themselves 6times7, the biggest fuckers, are going the low road, whilst one of the lesser fuckers, smellibits, are going the high road ( no choice, if that were to be a factor, which it isn't ).

Per the Briar yardstick, at c 150NM down, let's see what the dice roll.

But back to some of the earlier stuff. I haven't rolled back to see how things may pan out for some of the guys a bit down the track, but I know that in the next day, probably day and a half to two days, there's some real light stuff to cut through come what may, and the fuckers ( biggest and lesser and anyone nudging up behind) will have their work cut out.

Options, options, fuck ups, fuck ups.

[6times7]

Yep, 2nd that, cheers briar - how easy would it be to add a nationalities flags - just for a bit of added spice, and, well, a very scientific analysis of the best RTW SA sailor nationalities - seem to be a couple of brits at the top atm (Which makes a huge difference from the games top pages which are very French)

As far as being comfortable up here - it isn't! Small differences are making for bigger changes in place - ie -40 places for overshooting the last mark by 10 miles as I had to set a course before leaving for work... I'd much rather be chasing than chased, and you lot better keep the motivation up 'cos there's a long way to go...even before we hit the last leg up the atlantic... a couple of months or so yet at least....

PS - assuming I can offer them through the 'send options' button, I've a spare 500 credits on offer for the first person that needs them for whatever aid that gets - first come first served.

EDIT - And yes smellibits is right - big gamble on getting through the low road at the moment, but the high has been moving the right way, I'm defo going to be dropping off this sleigh ride before the leaders, but the high road is too far behind me at the moment so I've got to give it a go

[dinghydoc]

The 24 -36 hour forecast just completely blows -- in the wrong direction.

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[fogmachine]

The 24 -36 hour forecast just completely blows -- in the wrong direction.

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Yup, would prefer if it sucked.

[klymen]

The 24 -36 hour forecast just completely blows -- in the wrong direction.

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Those of us back at Crozet, by contrast, are eagerly awaiting the next wind change which will hook us into a fast-reaching wonderland for 36 hours or so as the wind dies then starts blowing from every direction for you guys over by Amsterdam. Your 24hr+ decisions are looking seriously complicated at the moment.

[elby]

2169 SO's to catch... mmmmhhhhhhhhh, could use some private wind...

[elby]

the gap will be closed a bit... (unfortunately on the wrong side of me)

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[DRIFTW00D]

What is killing me is that line of green after the gate just behind the leaders in red in the photo above. I blew it again, but where?? Its the hi rode for me. At least till after Australia.

I always did wonder where the lows came from . Now Im on track to catch one new just born spinning out of the Southern Indian Ocean. Ive been south v racing friends west around. We were way down south as far as possible just off the Antic Arctic Continent where the winds out of the east most of the time in the polar ice pack where no REAL boat could go.

Dosent seem right up here. Back in the Southern Ocean Allstars days Id see some vboat running way up here going East like hell, thinking WTF?? So this time its NORTH to Wind. At least for know.

[briartrtpd..]

for those that want flags could you believe in the whole damn interweb i could only find this one

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but if i find some more i will see what i can organise!

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[briartrtpd..]

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Thanks for the rankings Briar. It's even more interesting with the distance to the leaders! It's a great motivation tool to try to catch up with 6x7 and smelli

ok what have I missed I'm worried now or have taken a flyer

[x2sea]

A few days ago m2for and I almost collided at night, he went to the West Crozet gate and I went East, at one point we had more than 100 miles of leverage. We've come back together, and East was better - by maybe ~40 minutes. The light air of the ridge between us and the Amsterdam gate be the next chance to split.

It looks like the VirtualRegattaNews deep south strategy didn't go so well, and maybe our little pack (also with scottmax and hutspot77) will pass a few more of the iceberg tourists.

Interesting how close we've come together. I had actually hit the middle of the Crozet gate after initially aiming at the West end but fogmachine had the better route.

I've just had a change of heart over how to play out the next ridge and it appears I'll be tailing fog for a while.

[elby]

i'll be heading to the west side of the gate and will see from there... (east side means staying down in low windspeed/ going up now means eating the lull to the fullest/ going for the west end of the gate i have a chance of sneaking into the next system...) difficult!

[dinghydoc]

I guess routing tools in the hands of a rooky is like a 5 year old with a loaded gun. A really bad idea. I managed to use it to sail into the worst possible place. I could have used a dart board and done a better job! Crap, crap, crap. I just lost a day. Will be flogging about in a hole of light air trying to get above the gate while the group that went high just catches the next wave of lows. Crap, crap, crap. Gotta learn from this mistake, and the last one, and the one before that.

[elby]

I guess routing tools in the hands of a rooky is like a 5 year old with a loaded gun. A really bad idea. I managed to use it to sail into the worst possible place. I could have used a dart board and done a better job! Crap, crap, crap. I just lost a day. Will be flogging about in a hole of light air trying to get above the gate while the group that went high just catches the next wave of lows. Crap, crap, crap. Gotta learn from this mistake, and the last one, and the one before that.

use it as another information source... it is not always right as the weaterforecast changes from time to time. always build in a certain safety margin and go your own way!

[briartrtpd..]

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[the loose cannon]

Nice to see you all here. I checked out of the game after the first crash as we all got to the corner of Spain. Have slept great, the wife and I are getting along and I have gotten a lot of work done at the office.

How's it going out there in the middle of virtual nowhere?

LOLZ

[Sailing My Cubicle]

I guess routing tools in the hands of a rooky is like a 5 year old with a loaded gun. A really bad idea. I managed to use it to sail into the worst possible place. I could have used a dart board and done a better job! Crap, crap, crap. I just lost a day. Will be flogging about in a hole of light air trying to get above the gate while the group that went high just catches the next wave of lows. Crap, crap, crap. Gotta learn from this mistake, and the last one, and the one before that.

use it as another information source... it is not always right as the weaterforecast changes from time to time. always build in a certain safety margin and go your own way!

That's the problem with wx routers, they apply real world weather based off of continually updating forecasts while game world weather updates only every 12 hours. Key is to study the real world forecasts and try to position yourself where you want to be at the update using the game world weather.

I think the zezo router is going this go-round, which uses only game world weather. Like elby said, routers are just another information source.

[smellibits]

Heading for Perth. Got a daughter there, so may pop in.

Impossible to get south for the next 2+ days. Just as well don't have to pass through gates.

Looks like there will be a depression building above the W Australia gate in a couple of days, which'll also bring quite a few of you guys up onto smellibits.We'll have to see how that develops and where it goes.

Until I realised I was going to fall off the back of the big winds that those who were able to dive south at Amsterdam held onto, I had a sense, illusory, no doubt, of being in contact with the leaders, at about a day's quick sail ahead. Bang. That's gone, for now anyway.

Meantime 6times7 continues ripping up the course. F****rs.

[dinghydoc]

So much for the roaring forties. I think you could sail a Hobie Cat in a lot of these conditions. Being my first "virtual or otherwise" trip around I'm surprised at the number of highs and light air conditions that roll through. Maybe that's normal for this area. I expected this shit in some places but not so much down here in high 30's and 40's.

I am using the ZERO router but obviously not wisely! LOL I think I need to zoom out and take a bigger view of the movement of the lows. On the approach to this last gate it insisted I go right down the middle after telling me the high road was good a day earlier. So something in the forecasts pushed the optimum route down the middle but then things went in the crapper and being up high turned out better. I don't know if that was bad luck or the other guys had better knowledge and experience. I followed the router and it did not pay off. Next time I'll think long and hard about taking a flyer. It's rarely good in buoy racing and wasn't good here.

Yeah, 6times7 is freaking GONE........

[DRIFTW00D]

ZEZOs a tool U are the navigator.

1 Get a new zezo update each time u want to use it for course change.
2 I leave it set at 8 days and am now aming at NZ gates. or at the far end of the eight day line.
3 I zoom out and see if it is going where I want, if not I play with the set as destination to see possible ways to go.
4 Remember what U want to do now is go east deep south. Follow the fat bulge in the rout line.
5 Use the NOW button to click through the weather as it moves down the line.
6 When u agree where you want to go with the router zoom in, use the locate boat feature, then just follow the line . Some players at this point switch to one day.
7 It is just a close guess there is often more speed a little up or down at times.

It is fun to type in another boats name into paco tool then click the zezo link to look at his options. Just shut the tabs to avoid confusion when your done.

U cant just go where zezo tells u, but I still do at times.

[briartrtpd..]

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[x2sea]

I guess routing tools in the hands of a rooky is like a 5 year old with a loaded gun. A really bad idea. I managed to use it to sail into the worst possible place. I could have used a dart board and done a better job! Crap, crap, crap. I just lost a day. Will be flogging about in a hole of light air trying to get above the gate while the group that went high just catches the next wave of lows. Crap, crap, crap. Gotta learn from this mistake, and the last one, and the one before that.

use it as another information source... it is not always right as the weaterforecast changes from time to time. always build in a certain safety margin and go your own way!

That's the problem with wx routers, they apply real world weather based off of continually updating forecasts while game world weather updates only every 12 hours. Key is to study the real world forecasts and try to position yourself where you want to be at the update using the game world weather.

I think the zezo router is going this go-round, which uses only game world weather. Like elby said, routers are just another information source.

What I find confusing is the different time settings for the game as well as Zezo. Zezo uses UTC consistently (good) but in the game, current time is shown as UTC+1 and, if you are plotting way points, the time is given in your local time. So when I'm heading for the next 12 hour wind shift, I'm looking at (e.g. for me) 1900 hrs in Zezo which is 2000 hrs in game and, if setting a way point, it is 1100 hrs. (I'm 8 hours behind UTC, 9 hrs behind the game time).

Shite, my brain hurts just trying to explain that. . .
m2for

[Cyrille Hydrogene]

I guess routing tools in the hands of a rooky is like a 5 year old with a loaded gun. A really bad idea. I managed to use it to sail into the worst possible place. I could have used a dart board and done a better job! Crap, crap, crap. I just lost a day. Will be flogging about in a hole of light air trying to get above the gate while the group that went high just catches the next wave of lows. Crap, crap, crap. Gotta learn from this mistake, and the last one, and the one before that.

use it as another information source... it is not always right as the weaterforecast changes from time to time. always build in a certain safety margin and go your own way!

That's the problem with wx routers, they apply real world weather based off of continually updating forecasts while game world weather updates only every 12 hours. Key is to study the real world forecasts and try to position yourself where you want to be at the update using the game world weather.

I think the zezo router is going this go-round, which uses only game world weather. Like elby said, routers are just another information source.

What I find confusing is the different time settings for the game as well as Zezo. Zezo uses UTC consistently (good) but in the game, current time is shown as UTC+1 and, if you are plotting way points, the time is given in your local time. So when I'm heading for the next 12 hour wind shift, I'm looking at (e.g. for me) 1900 hrs in Zezo which is 2000 hrs in game and, if setting a way point, it is 1100 hrs. (I'm 8 hours behind UTC, 9 hrs behind the game time).

Shite, my brain hurts just trying to explain that. . .
m2for

Ouch, my brain hurts just trying to read that!
Maybe that's why I'm not using any router.

Seriously, I'm trying to look ahead, but Tropical Storm Claudia looks like a big speed bump on my way to the next gate. I don't know how to tackle it yet.
The good thing is I have "Wing it" in my sight and I won't let him escape!

The bad news is that 6times7 is flying away, looking confortable enough in front of the no wind zone trying to catch him up. And smellibits seems unconcerned too... We'll see.

[briartrtpd..]

6times7 your slipping I've pegged back 4 miles!
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[scottmax]

I've jumped the shark!!
I thought I set a couple of way point last night but must not have hit the confirm button, I hate it when I do that. Now instead of my brilliant plan of getting through the front I am a shit load behind. Just as well we have 16k+ mile to go I'll need most of that to get back into the 7000's.

In regard to routing software post a link so we can all have a go, I am just using the 3 day outlook from the game and it sometimes gets frustrating. Many years ago I would use ugrib for weather predictions but I got sick of that as often ugrib and the game would not even be close.

[elby]

2169 SO's to catch... mmmmhhhhhhhhh, could use some private wind...

1570 to go... hoping, praying and begging for an easy passage thru the light air zone...

[elby]

hitting the gate asap and down south again... (i think... at the moment... until the foracast changes...)

[fogmachine]

In regard to routing software post a link so we can all have a go, I am just using the 3 day outlook from the game and it sometimes gets frustrating. Many years ago I would use ugrib for weather predictions but I got sick of that as often ugrib and the game would not even be close.

I've been using vrtoutoolz for polars, zyGrib for NOAA forecasts, and vrtool for routing and keeping track of fellow Anarchists. It took quite a bit of Googling and screwing around to make useful; I'm not sure I trust the (fairly simple) routing heuristic. The game uses the NOAA GFS model which is much more accessible than Meteo France or other models.

I also messed around with OpenCPN (which can swallow the GRIB bz2 files from zyGrib) but the PITA factor was just getting too high.

Weather Underground makes a number of models (GFS, NAM, ECMWF, RUC) available if you just want to look at things in a browser - go back and forth in time w/ the J and L keys. It can be pretty:

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zyGrib can make pretty pictures, too:

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No matter what I use, the Amsterdam gate is still in a high-pressure ridge wind hole.

[dinghydoc]

I've jumped the shark!!
I thought I set a couple of way point last night but must not have hit the confirm button, I hate it when I do that. Now instead of my brilliant plan of getting through the front I am a shit load behind. Just as well we have 16k+ mile to go I'll need most of that to get back into the 7000's.

In regard to routing software post a link so we can all have a go, I am just using the 3 day outlook from the game and it sometimes gets frustrating. Many years ago I would use ugrib for weather predictions but I got sick of that as often ugrib and the game would not even be close.

The Sail Zero site is the game routing tool a few of us are using and referring to here. Use Shift-Click to set the start point and Ctrl-Click to set the end point of your route. The rest you can probably figure out on your own. This is a beta version for the Vendee Globe. The other games have a help link that describes some features but I don't think this one has that.

Thanks to Driftwood for the tips. I'm learning!! I think.

http://sail.zezo.org...dee/charts.html

I now just use http://www.pacotool.fr and the router above. I like to get my lat/long from Pacotool and double check boat stats. It updates quickly and confirms sail selection and other stuff. I use the lat/long to help set my position in sail.zero.

This next day or two is really a challenge. Again there is no easy route to follow from the Amsterdam gate with these high pressure zones rolling around. I think I see a way to thread the needle but the timing is very close so I may get screwed (again) if the forecast changes too much. I hate having only one way out, but with these weather patterns there has been a lot of that lately. Pick a direction and tough it out or try a carefully timed escape. I'm a gambling man.

EDIT: I always think of something else...The sail.zero site is run by a guy on a little PC he runs. I made a small donation because I have been using it a lot.

[DRIFTW00D]

In regard to routing software post a link so we can all have a go,

Start at http://www.pacotool.fr/ link below is a google translator of the site

VENDEEGLOBEVIRTUEL TOOL

first refresh your position

Under

Boat data

if the position is more than 10 mins old

Click the hot link

Get from VR

after the page refrishes click the ZEZO link

Use the zezo link on of the paccotool page, it will launch zezo withe position currently displayed on the poco page, no need to find the Lat and long them prick the chart

It is 2012 after all and the seas we cross are electronic.

[briartrtpd..]

6times7 and Smellibits, Eau and I are almost there

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[gruffT]

Can't........


Get.......


South......

(for ages)

[Cyrille Hydrogene]

Can't........


Get.......


South......

(for ages)

Well, you can. But do you really want to? I'm not sure...

[elby]

sad times at the moment...!

[briartrtpd..]

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[klymen]

I'm almost starting to feel sorry for what was the leading SA pack struggling in the fickle winds as us backmarkers fly through on this depression which for those hooked into it looks likely to continue to the West Australia gate at least. But the positive side is that in 24hrs there'll be an even bigger group of us in the same weather system basically taking the rhumb line is the plan from Amsterdam to W Aust now in fast reaching 20+ knots!