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[Snapper]

I am taking the border ride to get my money back on the countless Aztec calendars I bought which have failed

This year's edition is spot on. Grab me an Elvis on the crucifix fridge magnet please. WX looking good so you might be able to get through early on Sat and hit The Hole with Woody for 'happy hour'.

[realestatebroker]

the wind... she is coming.   The cougars...... not so much.

[Bill Gibbs]

the wind... she is coming.   The cougars...... not so much.

A good swap

[Bill Gibbs]

Thanks Condor !

One of mine from the Border Run 2011

               cheers Dal

Latest e-mail from NOSA about the race has a nice pic of this big cat flying a hull. Belongs to the OP of this thread.



Looking good!

Hats off to a great photographer!

[DA-WOODY]

By the numbers

675

The most boats ever to enter the race occurred in 1983.

 

175

The lowest total number of boats that entered the race, in 2010. Race organizers blame the economy and safety issues in Mexico with the drop off.

 

6:46:40

The time it took Steve Fossett's 60-foot catamaran Stars and Stripes to finish the 125-nautical mile course in 1998. It remains the only boat ever to finish the race before sundown.

 

1

Number of fatal sailing accidents in the 66-year history of the Newport to Ensenada Yacht Race.

 

 

 

 

So who's planing on doing the Pavilion Party tomorrow ??

 

who's just going to party on the boat ??

 

who's thinking the DAGO Red Aye (Morning bus) will get them to Newport in time to make the boat/start ??

[DA-WOODY]

the wind... she is coming.   The cougars...... not so much.

A good swap

 

swapping Cougars keeps ya Young 

[sumpin]

I have a golf afternoon planned, winery tour, tacos at La Fonda, quick donation to the 3 times removed :mayor: of Roseyrita and a 4 hour border wait. Maybe a velvet painting of famous poker dogs for Snap. I will leave it at your club unless the traffic is clear then back to sunny Lost Angeles.

 

early cougar sighting today, who knew they got AARP discounts at Blackies

[DA-WOODY]

Got a call from a friend on a Maxi Sled who knows how much I LOVE The N2E pre race party

 

their message BIG PARTY @ BCYC Tonight = Members, Skippers, Crew

 

the uncleansed being uninvited (Gold-diggers, Hookers & Cougars ???)

 

and a Rift Raft, Kidz, Dogs, uncleansed & "others" Party across the Bay so as not to be seen 

 

If that is the Case = It shall bring FAILING to a level the Chargers Failed to Fail @ ever

 

 

Keeping an Open Mind and a Positive Outlook (as long as possible)

 

I'm about to head North on the Iron Horse & Pix to Follow

 

​but the Excitement beforehand Just ain't there at this point

[condor]

BCYC party needs reservations with names.  Wristbands issued.

 

Might be tough to crash.

 

But probably doable.

[DA-WOODY]

BCYC party needs reservations with names.  Wristbands issued.

 

Might be tough to crash.

 

But probably doable.

 

 

perfect  I just hope they have private party areas for Blonds - Brunets - Red Heads ect.

 

in separate areas for 18-26 - 27-35 - 36-45 - 46-55 -

 

as well as no tits - SM-M - L - EXL

 

And let's Not mix in Natural with Enhanced Breasts

 

And then we Must separate everyone by Boat length so not to cross classes

 

Hell lets have a different area for Dudes and another for Females   

 

 

If it's True about the BCYC Party tonight, I'll be sleeping in tomorrow

 

Any Success at BCYC Tonight shall come at the Direct Expense of the Pavilion Party

 

Look for the masses to party on their boat this year

 

and do a Turn & Burn to start next year = why get there ahead if your crew wants to stay on the boat anyway

 

I'll still wait to see for myself  .................  I guess

[Parma]

Got a call from a friend on a Maxi Sled who knows how much I LOVE The N2E pre race party

 

their message BIG PARTY @ BCYC Tonight = Members, Skippers, Crew

 

the uncleansed being uninvited (Gold-diggers, Hookers & Cougars ???)

 

and a Rift Raft, Kidz, Dogs, uncleansed & "others" Party across the Bay so as not to be seen 

 

If that is the Case = It shall bring FAILING to a level the Chargers Failed to Fail @ ever

 

 

Keeping an Open Mind and a Positive Outlook (as long as possible)

 

I'm about to head North on the Iron Horse & Pix to Follow

 

​but the Excitement beforehand Just ain't there at this point

I hope you are wrong about there being separate parties. At the very least I hope the "separate party" is a mischaracterization of a small, private dinner party for personal friends.

 

Otherwise, cue the funeral dirge.

[DA-WOODY]

Well I'm Home after going to both Parties 

 

BCYC was a Good time and I'm Grateful for the Hospitality  

 

Once inside the FT Door it Was All Open everywhere  (Guessing 100 - 200 people maybe more)

 

I just felt like going around back to the band but No 

 

Oh the memories of Parties Past that came back while walking around inside

 

The boats all looked quiet (Sadly) 

 

 

Well I'm off to bed as I'm Beat after a Quick Harley ride Up & Back

 

I'll get to the Pavlovian Party Tomorrow

 

All in All I had a Good time on a Full Moon Night

 

BUT it was No comparison to any past BCYC N2E Party       

[full circle]

da woody - where are the party pictures and starting line pictures? some of us beginning to feel neglected.

 

i know, go to fiddler's or something right?

[dal]

Congrats to Loe Real !

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[DA-WOODY]

da woody - where are the party pictures and starting line pictures? some of us beginning to feel neglected.

 

i know, go to fiddler's or something right?

 

 

no ..............   shuldda gone to one of the parties last night

 

 

did the race start already ??

 

 

 

I've been enjoying the breeze out in the yard all day

 

I must carefully pic my races to shoot this year as I intend to go the AC in SF

 

A common message heard at the Pavilion, was disgust that the party had been moved from BCYC

 

the Party at the Pavilion was Up-Beat and a stream of Babes were heading out as I was arriving 8:45 or so

 

within an hour it was a ghost town as everyone went off to enjoy the Full Moon (just about) and party on their boats

 

 

 

The Party at BCYC could be found Not-Guilty of being an Actual Party Per-say

 

Oh it was a Full Club with people everywhere "In & Out"  but No Band

 

Very Proper and Dignified = Yawn (But very nice none the less)

 

As I just hapended to be on the Guest List and had No trouble getting in, I Respectfully kept me Kamera put away

 

The people at BCYC last night were Not the ones you'ed be checking out the BCYC Party PIX to See

 

"They" were at the Pavilion

 

Issues w the Pavilion 

 

(1)  Has a Roof - and the Moon Was Full and the Night Air Warm

 

(2) Too Damn Big - everyone spread out rather than the Up-Close feeling @ past BCYC Parties

 

(3) Location, Location, Location - Too damn far from the Boats, can't walk back and forth to your boat

 

(4) Atmosphere - BIG BOX = Convention Hall, No Boats w rigs clanking in the breeze, no Smell of the Sea

 

 

 

What the Pavilion had going for it:

 

The Racers, The Babes, it was The Right People (just in the wrong place)

 

Plenty of room (yet Un-Interesting)

 

Plenty of room (yet no displays to set the theme)  

 

Better than I expected  (that was easy)

 

OK so here are 2 Pix abet taken 1 hr before the party was over so NOT showing how many people showed

 

but none the less back at BCYC Party Daz hundreds had to be herded out @ Closing time

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[Editor]

Congrats to Loe Real !

elapsed time - 07:03:51. impressive! is that pic of them finishing?

[DA-WOODY]

Congrats to Loe Real !

elapsed time - 07:03:51. impressive! is that pic of them finishing?

 

From Rich Roberts Press Release:

 

 

    Photographer: Leslie Richter Date added: Apr 27, 2013

 

 

 

 

 

 

of note the wing machine on the east side of Mission Bay has been shut-off for quite a while

[dal]

SURE !!!   

   (But finishing the Border run 2011!!!! )  Sorry guys, my RIB doesn't go that far south )   cheers Dal

Congrats to Loe Real !

elapsed time - 07:03:51. impressive! is that pic of them finishing?

[fan]

Great race we came into the bay well on pace to break the monohull record.  Just before 10pm we were 3.4 miles out doing 10 knots.  So we had an hour to go 3.4 miles and break the record.  Well it all went to shit as there was a huge transition which started with no wind and ended with upwind.  Ended up missing the record by 20 minutes.  I guess that is why it is such a tough one to get.  Great sail down the coast Mast Head Genoa +GS -> A3+GS changed to the A2 +SS at the Coronados.  Just a great run in 16-18 hitting 20's just on rails.  Heartbreaker at the end but just a great surprising run.

[realestatebroker]

Suggestion for next year.   The finish line was located almost 1/2 mile from the GPS coordinates listed in the SI.  With all the lights in Ensenada, VERY difficult to find, especially if not in the right location.  Also, if you require the racers to monintor VHF 16, you might ask the finish line boat to do the same.  We hailed them on Ch 16 repeatedly with no reply.

[nz65]

Onboard video of the race from Afterburner, Bill did a great job, nothing broke and the winds were the constant. He has done way more for the sport than many here.

 

http://youtu.be/s9U9_9ZXgdE

[Somebody Else]

Suggestion for next year.   The finish line was located almost 1/2 mile from the GPS coordinates listed in the SI.  With all the lights in Ensenada, VERY difficult to find, especially if not in the right location.  Also, if you require the racers to monintor VHF 16, you might ask the finish line boat to do the same.  We hailed them on Ch 16 repeatedly with no reply.

 

We sailed right up to it in darkness, city lights and all.

Was not the strobe working when you finished?

 

True, it was not at the coordinates they gave, but it was certainly close enough to pick out the unlit boat and buoy from the distance of the given coordinates.

[Somebody Else]

How many votes do I hear for moving the finish?

 

 

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[DA-WOODY]

How many votes do I hear for moving the finish?

 

How about 1 BIG ARSED PARTY from Thursday through Sunday in DAGO

 

then even those who hook a left @ Pt Loma can go to the Awards 

 

FREE DRINKS for Cougars  ...............  2X$ Drinks for the Guys 

 

 

Cast yer Votes

 

 

early & often 

[Snapper]

How many votes do I hear for moving the finish?

 

+1 I'd vote for that new line even though we did some serious damage to our class in the last 3 miles (won by an hour)

[EarthBM]

What time did the wind die? Was it from 20kt to zero, or from 20kt to 10kt?

[Somebody Else]

What time did the wind die? Was it from 20kt to zero, or from 20kt to 10kt?

 

It wasn't time; it was place: abeam Punta San Miguel.

It happens in the same place 7 out of 8 years.

 

15 knots to 1 knot.

[n0w0rries]

This was my 2nd N2E race.

 

My thoughts:

+1 The Coral setup way more beer spots to get tecate or tecate light, and they even had waiters with trays of them walking around

-1 They ran out of Tecate on Sunday around noon.

+1 More wind than last year

+1 for the Mexican government, we stayed downtown and like last year it was very safe and clean, and the fast pass you could get to help at the border was a HUGE benefit.

+1 the margaritas from the pool bar were very good

 

Thank you NOSA, the Mexican Government, and everybody else who was involved.

 

Did anybody here what happened to the crew who got fingers in a winch at the start?  Hope they are ok and didn't lose them.

[walterbshaffer]

How about 1 BIG ARSED PARTY from Thursday through Sunday in DAGO

 

then even those who hook a left @ Pt Loma can go to the Awards 

 

FREE DRINKS for Cougars  ...............  2X$ Drinks for the Guys 

 

 

Cast yer Votes

 

 

early & often 

 

Maybe someone could start a race just like that & call it "The Border Race" or "Run for the Border" or something like that. it just might work.

 

How many votes do I hear for moving the finish?

The N2SM?

[DA-WOODY]

 hook a left @ Pt Loma 

Maybe someone could start a race just like that & call it "The Border Race" or "Run for the Border" or something like that. it just might work.

 

>How many votes do I hear for moving the finish?

The N2SM?

 

 

Ahhh yes the "Island Free" BR

 

it does hook a left @ Pt Loma 

 

it doesn't have even a hint of a N2E party (at either end)

 

in fact they are still working on the merits of getting a finish boat

 

or not   

[EarthBM]

What time did the wind die? Was it from 20kt to zero, or from 20kt to 10kt?

 
It wasn't time; it was place: abeam Punta San Miguel.
It happens in the same place 7 out of 8 years.
 
15 knots to 1 knot.

Well Afterburner reported 20kt all the way to the finish (before 8pm)... So I am trying to figure our the cut off time under which the rich get richer... If you miss the wind window you'll lose no matter what your handicap is.

[Somebody Else]

 

What time did the wind die? Was it from 20kt to zero, or from 20kt to 10kt?

 
It wasn't time; it was place: abeam Punta San Miguel.
It happens in the same place 7 out of 8 years.
 
15 knots to 1 knot.

Well Afterburner reported 20kt all the way to the finish (before 8pm)... So I am trying to figure our the cut off time under which the rich get richer... If you miss the wind window you'll lose no matter what your handicap is.

 

That would be the "7 out of 8 years" clause.

 

I haven't done a quadzillion N2E like some. Around a dozen. Probably a few more. In boats ranging from 23' to 68'. In all but 2 of those races the wind quit at Punta San Miguel regardless of time of day. That is just one guy's experience.

 

I am not sure of the wind speeds -- no instruments on board. Just estimating from a moonlit sea and the loads on sails.

[JustDroppingBy]

We had decent (shifty and bouncing from 10-19 kts) breeze until we were about 7 miles from the finish (3am) when it pretty much shut down completely.  Our watch was over at 3 and no one decided to hang out for the finish line    Still got in just before 0630, so that was nice...  waited to get enough water to tie up to the fuel dock, handed in the passports in SD just before 6 in the evening on Saturday. 

[Kmag]

 

 

What time did the wind die? Was it from 20kt to zero, or from 20kt to 10kt?

 
It wasn't time; it was place: abeam Punta San Miguel.
It happens in the same place 7 out of 8 years.
 
15 knots to 1 knot.

Well Afterburner reported 20kt all the way to the finish (before 8pm)... So I am trying to figure our the cut off time under which the rich get richer... If you miss the wind window you'll lose no matter what your handicap is.

 

That would be the "7 out of 8 years" clause.

 

I haven't done a quadzillion N2E like some. Around a dozen. Probably a few more. In boats ranging from 23' to 68'. In all but 2 of those races the wind quit at Punta San Miguel regardless of time of day. That is just one guy's experience.

 

I am not sure of the wind speeds -- no instruments on board. Just estimating from a moonlit sea and the loads on sails.

 

 

Saw a nice picture of your start... were you dropping something off at the committee boat?

[DA-WOODY]

 

 

 

What time did the wind die? Was it from 20kt to zero, or from 20kt to 10kt?

 
It wasn't time; it was place: abeam Punta San Miguel.
It happens in the same place 7 out of 8 years.
 
15 knots to 1 knot.

Well Afterburner reported 20kt all the way to the finish (before 8pm)... So I am trying to figure our the cut off time under which the rich get richer... If you miss the wind window you'll lose no matter what your handicap is.

 

That would be the "7 out of 8 years" clause.

 

I haven't done a quadzillion N2E like some. Around a dozen. Probably a few more. In boats ranging from 23' to 68'. In all but 2 of those races the wind quit at Punta San Miguel regardless of time of day. That is just one guy's experience.

 

I am not sure of the wind speeds -- no instruments on board. Just estimating from a moonlit sea and the loads on sails.

 

 

Saw a nice picture of your start... were you dropping something off at the committee boat?

 

Mordida 

[LBC]

Good wind until Punta San Miguel.

Got there about 6:30am and then crawled to finish. 

No problem finding the finish boat at that speed even though the coordinates were wrong.

Fingers of wind meant everything there. 

Our competition was maybe 600 yards outside of our line, got a finger of wind and beat us by an hour!

[Somebody Else]

Saw a nice picture of your start... were you dropping something off at the committee boat?

 

Oh Jeeze!

 

Yeah. Caught barging (skipper mistook a spectator boat for the outboard end of the line) and when it was obvious there was no room for us to start legally he wisely decided to shoot above the RC boat while he still had plenty of room (unlike a certain unnamed Class 40 which screwed you guys over pretty thoroughly a couple weeks earlier.)

 

Like I said, plenty of room to head up, circle around, and start in the 2nd row.

 

Oh... spectator boats. Oops! All of them were pretty cool and when they saw us head up they all got out of the way except one. That one boat pulled the full-on deer-in-the-headlights move -- their skipper kept going full-reverse, full-forward, full-reverse... not going anywhere, just trashing his transmissions. All he had to do (besides not being in that spot which the RC had told him multiple times to get away from already) was to go forward and we would have had room to circle around and start. But no, he just stood there right in the path of a charging 60-footer. The powerboat skipper looked kind of like this:

So Bob went the only way he could without dividing the derping powerboat in half; alongside the RC. Fenders out, no damage to either boat. (Actually, we lost an el-cheapo TV antenna on their flopper-stopper line and thus could have incurred a rule 55 violation! Probably not; it wasn't intentional.)  After we got clear of the mess, we started. We asked the RC, "What should we do about fending off of you?"

 

Their reply: "It wasn't your fault. It was all that powerboat's fault. We warned him multiple times to stay away but they kept returning to that unsafe place. Just race."

[DA-WOODY]

I don't even remember being there             

[fan]

Saw a nice picture of your start... were you dropping something off at the committee boat?

 

Oh Jeeze!

 

Yeah. Caught barging (skipper mistook a spectator boat for the outboard end of the line) and when it was obvious there was no room for us to start legally he wisely decided to shoot above the RC boat while he still had plenty of room (unlike a certain unnamed Class 40 which screwed you guys over pretty thoroughly a couple weeks earlier.)

 

Like I said, plenty of room to head up, circle around, and start in the 2nd row.

 

Oh... spectator boats. Oops! All of them were pretty cool and when they saw us head up they all got out of the way except one. That one boat pulled the full-on deer-in-the-headlights move -- their skipper kept going full-reverse, full-forward, full-reverse... not going anywhere, just trashing his transmissions. All he had to do (besides not being in that spot which the RC had told him multiple times to get away from already) was to go forward and we would have had room to circle around and start. But no, he just stood there right in the path of a charging 60-footer. The powerboat skipper looked kind of like this:

So Bob went the only way he could without dividing the derping powerboat in half; alongside the RC. Fenders out, no damage to either boat. (Actually, we lost an el-cheapo TV antenna on their flopper-stopper line and thus could have incurred a rule 55 violation! Probably not; it wasn't intentional.)  After we got clear of the mess, we started. We asked the RC, "What should we do about fending off of you?"

 

Their reply: "It wasn't your fault. It was all that powerboat's fault. We warned him multiple times to stay away but they kept returning to that unsafe place. Just race."

Glad you cleared that up as it was not what it loked like from off the boat.  I did not know that the RC could grant instant clemancy for hitting a mark of the course due to a spectator boat blocking your bail out. j/k

[Somebody Else]

Glad you cleared that up as it was not what it loked like from off the boat.  I did not know that the RC could grant instant clemancy for hitting a mark of the course due to a spectator boat blocking your bail out. j/k

 

They probably can't grant instant clemency.

 

However, it was in everyone's best interest to do so. In an event of that size with that many spectators milling about, course marshals would be a VERY good idea.

 

The powerboater probably had never seen a yacht race before and had no idea where boats may or may not be heading at any given moment. He put himself in a very stupid position and it was either because he didn't know any better or because he was trying to get the best photograph ever in the entire history of yacht photography.

 

Hell, we put our boat in a very stupid position. But in the absence of spectator boats it would have been a non-event.

 

Curious: what did it look like from off the boat?

Because on the boat it did not look pretty.

At all.

[fan]

Yeah it's all part of the spectacle that is N2E! Although I was disappointed I didn't see the crazy preacher guy or Geri in a plane. We did make one pass through the fleet after check in and it was a bit of chaos.

[silent bob]

Is this race over yet?

[DoRag]

The "race" was over ten years ago.

 

Now it's a cruise to an RV park at the Corral.

 

 

Is this race over yet?

[Folding prop]

Looks like DoRag was finally released from the Betty Ford Clinic. Are you rehabilitated or still the angry man with a compromised anal sphincter?

[VwaP]

Looks like DoRag was finally released from the Betty Ford Clinic. Are you rehabilitated or still the angry man with a compromised anal sphincter?

Did they ever put the finish line in the right place? Or was it close enough to where they said it would be?

[Bob's Your Uncle]

What ratings are used for this race?

Is there a So Cal rating organization that provides ratings to both the mono hulls and multi hulls? And, are mono vs. multi ratings calibrated? If so, how?

Are these ratings available on line somewhere, as I would like to point our local (Left Coast) rating authority to them.

Regards,

***R. thompson***

[walterbshaffer]

What ratings are used for this race?

Is there a So Cal rating organization that provides ratings to both the mono hulls and multi hulls? And, are mono vs. multi ratings calibrated? If so, how?

Are these ratings available on line somewhere, as I would like to point our local (Left Coast) rating authority to them.

Regards,

***R. thompson***

For this race the multihulls are rated by ORCA and the monos by PHRF.

 

I do not see how the ratings could be calibrated and would even suggest that they should not be calibrated: doing so might tempt someone to start monos & mutis together in one class with a list of resultant issues greater than the percieved benefits derived thereby.

[Bob's Your Uncle]

What ratings are used for this race?
Is there a So Cal rating organization that provides ratings to both the mono hulls and multi hulls? And, are mono vs. multi ratings calibrated? If so, how?
Are these ratings available on line somewhere, as I would like to point our local (Left Coast) rating authority to them.
Regards,
***R. thompson***

For this race the multihulls are rated by ORCA and the monos by PHRF.
 
I do not see how the ratings could be calibrated and would even suggest that they should not be calibrated: doing so might tempt someone to start monos & mutis together in one class with a list of resultant issues greater than the percieved benefits derived thereby.

It was my understanding that a 52' catamaran was declared the overall winner, on corrected time, and received a Lexus or something. If true, then it stands to reason that the ORCA and PHRF ratings must somehow be calibrated, which I found surprising, as I was under the impression that the ORCA multihull ratings were golf type handicaps, not PHRF ratings.

Are the SoCal monohull PHRF ratings golf type handicaps as well?

Regards,

***R. thompson***

[Somebody Else]

Are the SoCal monohull PHRF ratings golf type handicaps as well?

 

Sort of, but with more politics and cheating.

[walterbshaffer]

 It was my understanding that a 52' catamaran was declared the overall winner, on corrected time, and received a Lexus or something. If true, then it stands to reason that the ORCA and PHRF ratings must somehow be calibrated, which I found surprising, as I was under the impression that the ORCA multihull ratings were golf type handicaps, not PHRF ratings.

Are the SoCal monohull PHRF ratings golf type handicaps as well?

Regards,

***R. thompson***

Ummmm.....it's a 2 year lease, not a giveaway.

 

It's possible that the ORCA ratings are somehow adjusted or calibrated for this race, but PHRF does not issue ratings with an eye as to what ORCA ratings are, so in that sense they are not calibrated. Not sure how the ORCA guys determine ratings. For example do they issue a 3 number rating like PHRF SoCal does? Seeing that PHRF is based on observed performance it would seem that the only truly fair way to authoritatively calibrate the ratings would be to have a side by side comparisons of the 2  boat types in the same series of races over a period of time. How NOSA allows for a comparison is probably best answered by NOSA.

 

And I have never seen a PHRF board compare it's monhull fleet to multis with a set of race data, but that does not mean that ORCA is not doing so in an effort to "bridge the gap" that currently exists.

 

And no, SoCal PHRF ratings are not golf handicapped: if 2 identical boats have different results the slower boat will not get a rating adjustment.

[Snapper]

Multi's and mono's should not be scored together especially in this race where the multi's are not racing under PHRF ratings. Afterburner sailed a great race (in a 4 boat class) but Meanie should have been the OA winner.

 

When did NOSA start scoring multi's for the OA? This was news to me.

[Bill Gibbs]

NOSA started a trophy for Overall corrected in 2004, the Tommy Bahama trophy.

Several Press releases incorrectly called this the President of the USA trophy, which is for the top PHRF boat overall.

Which Meanie won.

 

In past years special prizes have been awarded to the top Mono, most recently 2010, a Rolex I believe.

2011 was the first year a big prize was given for the Tommy Bahama trophy, won by Medicine Man.  Also a 2 yr Lexus lease.

 

ORCA was a 6 boat class, thank you very much :-)

5 boats even started.

Small to be sure, but don't make it smaller.

[DA-WOODY]

NOSA started a trophy for Overall corrected in 2004, the Tommy Bahama trophy.

Several Press releases incorrectly called this the President of the USA trophy, which is for the top PHRF boat overall.

Which Meanie won.

 

In past years special prizes have been awarded to the top Mono, most recently 2010, a Rolex I believe.

2011 was the first year a big prize was given for the Tommy Bahama trophy, won by Medicine Man.  Also a 2 yr Lexus lease.

 

ORCA was a 6 boat class, thank you very much :-)

5 boats even started.

Small to be sure, but don't make it smaller.

 

 

Hay Now - Length doesn't matter 

[sailorwillis]

Here is a Photo of our finish at around 1000.

 

[sumpin]

Here is a Photo of our finish at around 1000.

 

 

 

standard issue.. although this year was one nice sail until the last 5 miles the move of race HQ to the Coral really F'd the "feel" of it. Downtown was so sad during the daytime hours and the Coral wasn't much better. 

[jackdaw]

I just saw in the SI's that the Croozer Class was not allowed to use their motors and autopilot AT THE SAME TIME.

 

That's harsh and almost Volvo-like. Must have really cut into happy hour.

[Bill Gibbs]

We had good meals at the Hotel Coral and enjoyed both the marina and courtyard ambiance near the score boards.  Rooms were better than my crew deserves.  Outdoor tacos were good.  Sore sailors soaked in the Jacuzzi near the pool bar.

Result posting times were amazing.  I got texts with my time before we had the boat put away.  Free beer on arrival.

We had a great time in town Saturday afternoon.  Papas and Beer was loud and crowded.  Amigos hard to find a table.  I suggest skipping the wine tasting place next to Hussongs, wine is terrible.  Streets were crowded, I suspect a cruise ship was in town.  Exactly what we go looking for in Ensenada. :-)

The Sat night Fiesta wasn't great, but maybe ok.

Sunday awards were MC'd by Gator a 2nd year.  I think Gator does a very good job.

All-in-all, a very good N2E

[sumpin]

We had good meals at the Hotel Coral and enjoyed both the marina and courtyard ambiance near the score boards.  Rooms were better than my crew deserves.  Outdoor tacos were good.  Sore sailors soaked in the Jacuzzi near the pool bar.

Result posting times were amazing.  I got texts with my time before we had the boat put away.  Free beer on arrival.

We had a great time in town Saturday afternoon.  Papas and Beer was loud and crowded.  Amigos hard to find a table.  I suggest skipping the wine tasting place next to Hussongs, wine is terrible.  Streets were crowded, I suspect a cruise ship was in town.  Exactly what we go looking for in Ensenada. :-)

The Sat night Fiesta wasn't great, but maybe ok.

Sunday awards were MC'd by Gator a 2nd year.  I think Gator does a very good job.

All-in-all, a very good N2E

no

[Madmax]

Only basing this on what I heard and what it was.

1-Party must be at BCYC or another smallish place.

2-Beer sponsor is mandatory.

3-Rum sponsor is mandatory.

4-Must have a feeling that wives will not die going to Ensenada.

5-Must have a better vibe, better shirts, better classes etc.

[Madmax]

PS Catamarans etc...need their own class.

[Somebody Else]

When the regatta clothing was snatched away by NOSA and given to Pirates Liar the quality went down, the designs/logos went way down and the prices went up.

 

The exception is the high-end clothing (e.g. Gill) where the quality went up, the designs and logos still went way down and the prices still went way up.

 

[Mud sailor]

No band at the party, please have a good DJ (maybe in combination with a band where the members are under 60 with a singer) who can get people involved, makes a huge difference
Maybe a smaller venue, but it was easy to get to with the very efficient water taxis
Beer and rum should be way cheaper at the party
Multis should not be eligible for the overall unless you can prove that the handicaps match realistically (or two Lexus leases....
Move the finish line (please, it was painful this year)
Make amends with BCYC so at least they are selling tshirts, you can pick up packets there (rather than get a taxi to the sea scout hut)
Make sure crew lists are lodged with US customs, so check in at SD is quicker and easier
The early start worked....good!
Make sure press boats are smaller and have experienced drivers, A start was almost very expensive!

[Bill Gibbs]

Thanks to everyone who expresses improvement suggestions for the 2014 N2E race.

I will do my best to understand them and present them to the NOSA board for consideration.

Any opinions I express are mine alone, not the opinions of NOSA.  I will even present suggestions I don't agree with. :-)

[Bill Gibbs]

Multis should not be eligible for the overall unless you can prove that the handicaps match realistically

A lot of people think that multis cannot be rated accurately against monos.

In general they are right.  

PHRF (or any single value system) cannot rate dissimilar performing boats accurately.  They don't sail in the same conditions for starters.  The only way to be accurate is inside narrow rating range classes.  N2E provides the best and most accurate handicap classes racing in SoCal.  For dissimilar boats in different classes, its a wind conditions lottery.  Whoever spends the most time in the best wind conditions will win.  This is also true comparing Bad Pak to a Catalina 30.  Maxis to PHRF G.  They are very differently performing boats.

 

Are multis unfairly rated against mono's?  Yes, to their disadvantage.

In the last 14 years of N2E results I have access to, multi's have corrected overall 3 times.  In all three the conditions allowed the fast multi to be much faster than all monos, finish just before wind shut off, and be hours ahead of the first mono.  The same multi corrects poorly in different years and different conditions.  Finishing first elapsed is not enough.  There has never been a "close" multi corrected victory, or a victory by any multi not faster than all monos. (in some of these years the multi class topped 20 boats)

 

Who do the conditions favor most often?  Maxis.  Maxis have the best corrected time in 5 races.  Why?  Primarily because common N2E conditions allow them to be among the fastest boats, and they spend more time in stronger wind than slower classes.

The remaining 6 overall winners are spread among different PHRF classes and represent years the wind did not shut off but instead built.  Whichever class spent the most time in the best wind won, never the same class twice.

 

So don't pick on multi's, complain about PHRF inaccuracy in general. Though there is no known solution.

IMHO

[walterbshaffer]

So don't pick on multi's, complain about PHRF inaccuracy in general. Though there is no known solution.

PHRF ratings will be extremely accurate if the wind condition and sea state any particular boat is rated for exists 100% of the time from when that boat starts until when that boat finishes.

 

It's the dead hours, wind patches, higher or lower wind speeds, tactical decisions and atypical TWA that accounts for the differences, none of which impacts are easily calculated (or even known in most cases) so it's easier to say that if the rating was different the result would have been more realistic.

[Bill Gibbs]

So don't pick on multi's, complain about PHRF inaccuracy in general. Though there is no known solution.

PHRF ratings will be extremely accurate if the wind condition and sea state any particular boat is rated for exists 100% of the time from when that boat starts until when that boat finishes.

 

It's the dead hours, wind patches, higher or lower wind speeds, tactical decisions and atypical TWA that accounts for the differences, none of which impacts are easily calculated (or even known in most cases) so it's easier to say that if the rating was different the result would have been more realistic.

You are correct.

When conditions vary from the ones used for the rating, similar boats still perform similarly, but dissimilar boats do not, leading to rating inaccuracies proportional to the amount of the condition variation and the amount of boat dissimilarity.

[Somebody Else]

You are correct.

 

When conditions vary from the ones used for the rating, similar boats still perform similarly, but dissimilar boats do not, leading to rating inaccuracies proportional to the amount of the condition variation and the amount of boat dissimilarity.

 

And thus the difficulty rating sportboats against their heavier traditional counterparts: either the sortboat is going to win every windy race or the heavy boat will win every slow race. Trying to find a median where each type has an equal chance of winning on any given day is impossible.

 

And thus is born the HPR fleet to race like against like.

[Bill Gibbs]

Like against like is always more accurate.