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#1 Grinder

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:19 AM

You decide ;)

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 04:00 AM

Looks ok three months out, but god bless the poms for for providing metric dimensions for the length of a TP52.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 05:25 PM

DC in his 105, eh?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 07:00 PM

DC in his 105, eh?


Pretty cool for us

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 07:45 PM

Be patient. The entries will come. It won't be the biggest year ever but it is likely to bounce off the lows in recent years (At least I hope so).

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 07:48 PM

After the great time that I had last year I can't wait to see how the HPR class looks this year. 6 boats already with lots more potentially out there.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 08:06 PM

+1

F400 v. MC38 v. C40

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:03 PM


DC in his 105, eh?


Pretty cool for us

I can see it now, Dennis side winding down Duval, while Damian bobbles down Duval. It will be epic!
I might have to go down this year

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:13 PM



DC in his 105, eh?


Pretty cool for us

I can see it now, Dennis side winding down Duval, while Damian bobbles down Duval. It will be epic!
I might have to go down this year


Better, have pitman pay for a J/105 charter and go head to head against DC.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:16 PM




DC in his 105, eh?


Pretty cool for us

I can see it now, Dennis side winding down Duval, while Damian bobbles down Duval. It will be epic!
I might have to go down this year


Better, have pitman pay for a J/105 charter and go head to head against DC.


All great ideas. I can't wait to get down there. Cruising Duval with Espo & DC...what could be better?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:49 PM

Classic - Pin this thread !

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:16 PM

Classic - Pin this thread !

Agreede!! Thisse coud be epice!!

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 04:14 PM

In the last 24 hours KWRW 2013 has surpassed KWRW 2012 in terms of entry numbers. First time in a while and still over a month until entries close. Potential for beating 2011 as well?

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 05:19 PM

Good to hear

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 06:12 PM

+1

F400 v. MC38 v. C40

Hopefully F400 vs F400

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:21 PM


+1

F400 v. MC38 v. C40

Hopefully F400 vs F400

are any of the California boats coming to play?

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:28 PM

Cool, a thread about my favorite regatta!!

oh wait, it died 4 years ago. Never mind.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:03 PM

In the last 24 hours KWRW 2013 has surpassed KWRW 2012 in terms of entry numbers. First time in a while and still over a month until entries close. Potential for beating 2011 as well?

Too bad!

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:14 PM



+1

F400 v. MC38 v. C40

Hopefully F400 vs F400

are any of the California boats coming to play?

dunno.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 09:19 PM

I wonder what kind of numbers would have been generated if J/22s had been allowed.

KWRW used to have a LOA >= 24' restriction. I think they should allow kites next

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:00 PM

The J70 has really taken hold. What a terrific turnout they are getting. From a strictly selfish standpoint the new c lass has meant an exceptionally large increase in tech team shirt orders. Many thanks for all of them. Just a reminder- The Cyber week sale ends tomorrow on the $9.99 tech shirts...

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:43 PM

looks like the 105 class dies even more dead

J-70, gonna wait 2 years and see

I'm heading for the T 10 and some rum.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 11:48 PM

I wonder what kind of numbers would have been generated if J/22s had been allowed.

KWRW used to have a LOA >= 24' restriction. I think they should allow kites next


Not too many J/22 owners would be willing to spend the kind of money it takes to race at Key West. That is why they race J/22's. They want good one design racing, nothing else. Just my opinion.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:08 PM

By my bad mental arithmetic it's 125-126 boats and that's not gonna change in the next 2 weeks (except for down).

By all accounts it's not a great year, if it was not for the J70s it would have been a flop.

Hope it comes back soon, there's a lot of pent up money (or wishful money) in the UK from peeps who want to come over and play.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 04:54 PM

By all accounts it's not a great year, if it was not for the J70s it would have been a flop.


If it wasn't for the Melges 24, it would have been a flop. If it wasn't for the Melges 32, Farr 40, Swan 42, IRC. HPR, PHRF or any other of the boats that have signed up, it would have been a flop.

I'm really not sure why the number of entries - up or down - makes an event a flop or success when it is the actual sailing, racing, organization, location, parties, etc that makes the event! You can have a party with 30 or 300 and have just as good a time at either.

The fact is, the boats are changing, classes are changing, entries are changing. Fact is, there is a long and very competitive list of boats registered and they'll be having a great time and some great racing in just about 2 weeks in sunny and warm Key West.

Want to see it to come back soon? Plan for it, get it on your list for next year and sign up early! It will be one more boat on the line that will help make it "less than a flop" (whatever that is). Just be there!

See you in Key West.

LZ

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:45 PM


By all accounts it's not a great year, if it was not for the J70s it would have been a flop.


If it wasn't for the Melges 24, it would have been a flop. If it wasn't for the Melges 32, Farr 40, Swan 42, IRC. HPR, PHRF or any other of the boats that have signed up, it would have been a flop.

I'm really not sure why the number of entries - up or down - makes an event a flop or success when it is the actual sailing, racing, organization, location, parties, etc that makes the event! You can have a party with 30 or 300 and have just as good a time at either.

The fact is, the boats are changing, classes are changing, entries are changing. Fact is, there is a long and very competitive list of boats registered and they'll be having a great time and some great racing in just about 2 weeks in sunny and warm Key West.

Want to see it to come back soon? Plan for it, get it on your list for next year and sign up early! It will be one more boat on the line that will help make it "less than a flop" (whatever that is). Just be there!

See you in Key West.

LZ

I will be watching the results from Vail

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:50 PM

I'd gladly go...
If I had a ride....



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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:42 PM


DC in his 105, eh?


Pretty cool for us


No J105s at all or are you & Connor in limbo?

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:50 PM



DC in his 105, eh?


Pretty cool for us


No J105s at all or are you & Connor in limbo?


We're all out. Too bad, wish I was going.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:10 AM


By all accounts it's not a great year, if it was not for the J70s it would have been a flop.


If it wasn't for the Melges 24, it would have been a flop. If it wasn't for the Melges 32, Farr 40, Swan 42, IRC. HPR, PHRF or any other of the boats that have signed up, it would have been a flop.

I'm really not sure why the number of entries - up or down - makes an event a flop or success when it is the actual sailing, racing, organization, location, parties, etc that makes the event! You can have a party with 30 or 300 and have just as good a time at either.

The fact is, the boats are changing, classes are changing, entries are changing. Fact is, there is a long and very competitive list of boats registered and they'll be having a great time and some great racing in just about 2 weeks in sunny and warm Key West.

Want to see it to come back soon? Plan for it, get it on your list for next year and sign up early! It will be one more boat on the line that will help make it "less than a flop" (whatever that is). Just be there!

See you in Key West.

LZ


+1

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:01 PM



By all accounts it's not a great year, if it was not for the J70s it would have been a flop.


If it wasn't for the Melges 24, it would have been a flop. If it wasn't for the Melges 32, Farr 40, Swan 42, IRC. HPR, PHRF or any other of the boats that have signed up, it would have been a flop.

I'm really not sure why the number of entries - up or down - makes an event a flop or success when it is the actual sailing, racing, organization, location, parties, etc that makes the event! You can have a party with 30 or 300 and have just as good a time at either.

The fact is, the boats are changing, classes are changing, entries are changing. Fact is, there is a long and very competitive list of boats registered and they'll be having a great time and some great racing in just about 2 weeks in sunny and warm Key West.

Want to see it to come back soon? Plan for it, get it on your list for next year and sign up early! It will be one more boat on the line that will help make it "less than a flop" (whatever that is). Just be there!

See you in Key West.

LZ


+1


DM will be looking to say hello to you....

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:04 AM




By all accounts it's not a great year, if it was not for the J70s it would have been a flop.


If it wasn't for the Melges 24, it would have been a flop. If it wasn't for the Melges 32, Farr 40, Swan 42, IRC. HPR, PHRF or any other of the boats that have signed up, it would have been a flop.

I'm really not sure why the number of entries - up or down - makes an event a flop or success when it is the actual sailing, racing, organization, location, parties, etc that makes the event! You can have a party with 30 or 300 and have just as good a time at either.

The fact is, the boats are changing, classes are changing, entries are changing. Fact is, there is a long and very competitive list of boats registered and they'll be having a great time and some great racing in just about 2 weeks in sunny and warm Key West.

Want to see it to come back soon? Plan for it, get it on your list for next year and sign up early! It will be one more boat on the line that will help make it "less than a flop" (whatever that is). Just be there!

See you in Key West.

LZ


+1


DM will be looking to say hello to you....


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You, not so much.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:59 AM


By all accounts it's not a great year, if it was not for the J70s it would have been a flop.


If it wasn't for the Melges 24, it would have been a flop. If it wasn't for the Melges 32, Farr 40, Swan 42, IRC. HPR, PHRF or any other of the boats that have signed up, it would have been a flop.

I'm really not sure why the number of entries - up or down - makes an event a flop or success when it is the actual sailing, racing, organization, location, parties, etc that makes the event! You can have a party with 30 or 300 and have just as good a time at either.

The fact is, the boats are changing, classes are changing, entries are changing. Fact is, there is a long and very competitive list of boats registered and they'll be having a great time and some great racing in just about 2 weeks in sunny and warm Key West.

Want to see it to come back soon? Plan for it, get it on your list for next year and sign up early! It will be one more boat on the line that will help make it "less than a flop" (whatever that is). Just be there!

See you in Key West.

LZ


See you there. Bunch of haters around here, hence the lack of good forum content.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 04:37 AM


By all accounts it's not a great year, if it was not for the J70s it would have been a flop.


If it wasn't for the Melges 24, it would have been a flop. If it wasn't for the Melges 32, Farr 40, Swan 42, IRC. HPR, PHRF or any other of the boats that have signed up, it would have been a flop.

I'm really not sure why the number of entries - up or down - makes an event a flop or success when it is the actual sailing, racing, organization, location, parties, etc that makes the event! You can have a party with 30 or 300 and have just as good a time at either.

The fact is, the boats are changing, classes are changing, entries are changing. Fact is, there is a long and very competitive list of boats registered and they'll be having a great time and some great racing in just about 2 weeks in sunny and warm Key West.

Want to see it to come back soon? Plan for it, get it on your list for next year and sign up early! It will be one more boat on the line that will help make it "less than a flop" (whatever that is). Just be there!

See you in Key West.

LZ


+1

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:08 PM

yessir.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 03:58 PM





By all accounts it's not a great year, if it was not for the J70s it would have been a flop.


If it wasn't for the Melges 24, it would have been a flop. If it wasn't for the Melges 32, Farr 40, Swan 42, IRC. HPR, PHRF or any other of the boats that have signed up, it would have been a flop.

I'm really not sure why the number of entries - up or down - makes an event a flop or success when it is the actual sailing, racing, organization, location, parties, etc that makes the event! You can have a party with 30 or 300 and have just as good a time at either.

The fact is, the boats are changing, classes are changing, entries are changing. Fact is, there is a long and very competitive list of boats registered and they'll be having a great time and some great racing in just about 2 weeks in sunny and warm Key West.

Want to see it to come back soon? Plan for it, get it on your list for next year and sign up early! It will be one more boat on the line that will help make it "less than a flop" (whatever that is). Just be there!

See you in Key West.

LZ


+1


DM will be looking to say hello to you....


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You, not so much.

Uh, so, is it just me are you stalker creepy with everybody?



Best be nice to him (he doesn't like bacon "jokes") as he will soon own you......

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:52 PM

123 boats

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:07 PM

Best be nice to him (he doesn't like bacon "jokes") as he will soon own you......


Won't someone please give this poor thing a job?

Posted Image


Maybe I'm wrong, but according to the Boston Globe, I'm guessing DM has bigger fish to fry:


"All of Dan Meyers’s First Marblehead stock is no longer worth enough to pay the $45 million he owes."



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:53 PM


Best be nice to him (he doesn't like bacon "jokes") as he will soon own you......


Won't someone please give this poor thing a job?

Posted Image


Maybe I'm wrong, but according to the Boston Globe, I'm guessing DM has bigger fish to fry:


"All of Dan Meyers’s First Marblehead stock is no longer worth enough to pay the $45 million he owes."

What goes around, comes around!

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 02:03 PM



Best be nice to him (he doesn't like bacon "jokes") as he will soon own you......


Won't someone please give this poor thing a job?

Posted Image


Maybe I'm wrong, but according to the Boston Globe, I'm guessing DM has bigger fish to fry:



"All of Dan Meyers’s First Marblehead stock is no longer worth enough to pay the $45 million he owes."

What goes around, comes around!


The Anti SLAPP hearing was held recently - let the John Does be named......

#41 Heriberto

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 11:28 PM

Actually, looks like the lawsuit is similar to how jesposito would describe KWRW: DEAD!


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I don't agree on KWRW though. I think it is awesome. Only problem is finding a cheap place to stay.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:42 AM

Actually, looks like the lawsuit is similar to how jesposito would describe KWRW: DEAD!


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I don't agree on KWRW though. I think it is awesome. Only problem is finding a cheap place to stay.


There is a trailer park and a campground.

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 12:46 AM


There is a trailer park and a campground.


:P :D

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Posted 10 January 2013 - 02:07 AM

Actually, looks like the lawsuit is similar to how jesposito would describe KWRW: DEAD!


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I don't agree on KWRW though. I think it is awesome. Only problem is finding a cheap place to stay.

KWRW is awesome, I've been there 14 times with my boat and 5 more with others. But when the locals ie: boat yards, docking and real estate rape you and the event starts to cater to the big boys and the latest OD classes, it's time to say fuck off.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 07:58 PM

If anyone is driving down from Miami to Key West next Friday (18/Jan), have room for 1, want some company, or need a car driven down on Friday, I'm looking for a ride down.

Please let me know. Email, PM or give me a ring.

Would be very much appreciated.

LZ

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:17 AM



By all accounts it's not a great year, if it was not for the J70s it would have been a flop.


If it wasn't for the Melges 24, it would have been a flop. If it wasn't for the Melges 32, Farr 40, Swan 42, IRC. HPR, PHRF or any other of the boats that have signed up, it would have been a flop.

I'm really not sure why the number of entries - up or down - makes an event a flop or success when it is the actual sailing, racing, organization, location, parties, etc that makes the event! You can have a party with 30 or 300 and have just as good a time at either.

The fact is, the boats are changing, classes are changing, entries are changing. Fact is, there is a long and very competitive list of boats registered and they'll be having a great time and some great racing in just about 2 weeks in sunny and warm Key West.

Want to see it to come back soon? Plan for it, get it on your list for next year and sign up early! It will be one more boat on the line that will help make it "less than a flop" (whatever that is). Just be there!

See you in Key West.

LZ

I will be watching the results from Vail


I hope we get some snow.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 12:21 PM

What time are you landing Luiz?

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 02:30 PM

What time are you landing Luiz?


I'm in Orlando and on the way to Miami on Wed so will be there. Anytime Friday would work for me.

You driving Friday? I'll PM you my cell #

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:20 PM


Best be nice to him (he doesn't like bacon "jokes") as he will soon own you......


Won't someone please give this poor thing a job?

Posted Image


Maybe I'm wrong, but according to the Boston Globe, I'm guessing DM has bigger fish to fry:



"All of Dan Meyers’s First Marblehead stock is no longer worth enough to pay the $45 million he owes."


You are wrong. You need to understand just how !st Marble stock he sold, before the decline. The answer is a whole lot. Several folks have estimated his net worth at $250mm. And your next question is.....?

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:27 PM



Best be nice to him (he doesn't like bacon "jokes") as he will soon own you......


Won't someone please give this poor thing a job?

Posted Image


Maybe I'm wrong, but according to the Boston Globe, I'm guessing DM has bigger fish to fry:




"All of Dan Meyers’s First Marblehead stock is no longer worth enough to pay the $45 million he owes."


You are wrong. You need to understand just how !st Marble stock he sold, before the decline. The answer is a whole lot. Several folks have estimated his net worth at $250mm. And your next question is.....?

Captain America aka G.I.Joe speaks up.How about answering the questions about your sailing history that you have ignored? Remember that some of us know who you are.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:30 PM

Nearly 40 sailboats in five classes are expected to line up off Port Everglades for the 1 p.m. Wednesday start of the Fort Lauderdale to Key West Race, now in its 38th year. The first finishers are expected to arrive at the finish line off Fort Zachary Taylor early Thursday morning, with the bulk of the fleet trickling in the rest of the day.
Race chairman Joel Bowie expects a quick race, but not a record-breaker, amid breezes forecast to be from the southeast about 10 to 12 knots. Bowie said there are two keys to winning the 160-mile race.
“Really good navigation so you sail as direct a course as you can,” Bowie said. “And sailing hard at night. The guys that can keep that level of effort and competition at 2 in the morning, that’s the key.”
An awards ceremony will be held at 5 p.m. Friday at Kelly’s Caribbean Bar and Grill in Key West.
Bowie said he expects about 40 percent of the fleet to stick around in the Island City for Sunday’s start of Quantum Key West 2013, also known as “Key West Race Week,” which runs through Jan.25. More than 125 boats in several handicapped and one-design racing classes are slated to compete.


Read more here: http://www.miamihera...l#storylink=cpy



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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:46 PM

Found a ride to KW on Friday. Thanks everyone!

See you down there.

LZ

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 03:51 PM

Found a ride to KW on Friday. Thanks everyone!

See you down there.

LZ

If it doesn't work out you can drive my car down.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 06:19 PM


Found a ride to KW on Friday. Thanks everyone!

See you down there.

LZ

If it doesn't work out you can drive my car down.


And arrive covered in glitter and smelling of self hate? That's how ya leave mate.. Not arrive

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:55 PM

Anyone know of a good place to store a boat on a trailer between key wet and Miami events? Need to put an m24 somewhere. At 110 per week shake a leg is out of my price range.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 02:36 AM

Anyone know of a good place to store a boat on a trailer between key wet and Miami events? Need to put an m24 somewhere. At 110 per week shake a leg is out of my price range.


But Shake-A-Leg's money goes to a good cause.....putting disabled and disadvantaged kids on boats....$110 well spent.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:37 AM

Anyone wanna make predictions on Class winners?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:57 AM

Anyone wanna make predictions on Class winners?

Ravenes baby!!!!

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:23 AM


Anyone wanna make predictions on Class winners?

Ravenes baby!!!!

+1!

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:30 AM

Anyone wanna make predictions on Class winners?


Dang not much in the way of Local teams making the trip...and only 1 J120 a far cry from when we almost got OD start.

I'll go with,

Rio in the 52's
Grooverdishy (sp) in the M32's



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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:02 AM


Anyone wanna make predictions on Class winners?


Dang not much in the way of Local teams making the trip...and only 1 J120 a far cry from when we almost got OD start.

I'll go with,

Rio in the 52's
Grooverdishy (sp) in the M32's


It's a far cry from the days when there was tons of discussion on here the night before the regatta. It'll be interesting to see how the HPR class plays out over the week. Amazing to see that many J70's.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:26 AM

J70's has tons of pros.

Must be they smell lots of sail selling opportunities. Dave Ullman sailing a J70....Jeeesh!

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:31 AM

J70's has tons of pros.

Must be they smell lots of sail selling opportunities. Dave Ullman sailing a J70....Jeeesh!


Funny thing all the boats racing already have sails. So how many of them are going to buy from each other? Ullman always leads the way to the new hot class. He'll be a factor.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:53 AM

Anyone know why the two Carkeek 40's have different ratings?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:59 AM

lots of differences in the two. keels, rudders, and lots of bits and pieces.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:23 AM

Big fucking yawn.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:01 PM

Big fucking yawn.

If it's such a big f#$king yawn to you, then why even waste your time and keystrokes? You obviously had a little interest or you wouldn't have clicked on the thread in the 1st place.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:36 PM




Best be nice to him (he doesn't like bacon "jokes") as he will soon own you......


Won't someone please give this poor thing a job?

Posted Image


Maybe I'm wrong, but according to the Boston Globe, I'm guessing DM has bigger fish to fry:




"All of Dan Meyers’s First Marblehead stock is no longer worth enough to pay the $45 million he owes."


You are wrong. You need to understand just how !st Marble stock he sold, before the decline. The answer is a whole lot. Several folks have estimated his net worth at $250mm. And your next question is.....?

Captain America aka G.I.Joe speaks up.How about answering the questions about your sailing history that you have ignored? Remember that some of us know who you are.

Any clues? :P

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:31 PM

And it begins.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 01:45 PM

If it shuts Dorag up its a bonus :)

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 02:48 PM

Anyone wanna make predictions on Class winners?


I'll be a homer and pick Smokin J from my club in the J70.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:23 PM


Anyone wanna make predictions on Class winners?


I'll be a homer and pick Smokin J from my club in the J70.

Interesting to see that the M24 Fleet includes a Corinthian Division.It's great to see a new hot fleet in the J70 but am wondering what some of the mom and pop programs are thinking when it appears many of these J70's are being sailed by professionals.IMO not a good way to promote this class at it's first major event.Good luck to the amateurs.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

I was wondering about so many Pro's as well. Man for a 22 foot boat, doing this regatta has to cost $7k-$10k. Including travel costs, dockage, hoist fees, room and board, meals, flights, DRINKS, plus if you are paying a pro or as some boats have two onboard. Not including the new jib or set of sails you bought just for KWRW. That is why we are seeing bigger boat guys in this division, they have the cash.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:38 PM

Anyone know of a good place to store a boat on a trailer between key wet and Miami events? Need to put an m24 somewhere. At 110 per week shake a leg is out of my price range.


Talk to Tom Lihan, he's sailing with Ullman on a J-70. He stores boats in a warehouse in Lauderdale, air conditioned. I think it's reasonable.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:45 PM


Anyone know of a good place to store a boat on a trailer between key wet and Miami events? Need to put an m24 somewhere. At 110 per week shake a leg is out of my price range.


Talk to Tom Lihan, he's sailing with Ullman on a J-70. He stores boats in a warehouse in Lauderdale, air conditioned. I think it's reasonable.



Dave & Greg will be doing updates from the J-70 and zerik Shampain will be giving updates from the Melges 24 fleet on our facebook site

http://www.facebook.com/ullmannewportbeach

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 03:57 PM

Didn't Key West start yesterday? No results?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:05 PM

Didn't Key West start yesterday? No results?

Only the drinking part, and Luiz doesn't get paid to score that. So... No Results.
THe first race should be under way now.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:32 PM

I was wondering about so many Pro's as well. Man for a 22 foot boat, doing this regatta has to cost $7k-$10k. Including travel costs, dockage, hoist fees, room and board, meals, flights, DRINKS, plus if you are paying a pro or as some boats have two onboard. Not including the new jib or set of sails you bought just for KWRW. That is why we are seeing bigger boat guys in this division, they have the cash.


$7-10k? Double that, at least.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:32 PM

You can follow the on-the-water blog that the scorers are posting live and get all the current info on the race course. Go to http://www.yachtscor...enu.cfm?eID=716 and click on the Blog link. It will pop-up a window that self-updates every 90 secs.

Also, for those interested in the Division 1 fleet, the TP52s are doing a Virtual Eye tracking of the boats with live commentary by Dobbs Davis and Andy Robertson. go to the TP52 Super Series web site at http://www.52superseries.com

Reminder… All starts are about an hour later this year. First starts scheduled to go at 11:30am

LZ

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:40 PM

http://sailinganarch...g-for-key-west/



Anyone wanna make predictions on Class winners?


I'll be a homer and pick Smokin J from my club in the J70.

Interesting to see that the M24 Fleet includes a Corinthian Division.It's great to see a new hot fleet in the J70 but am wondering what some of the mom and pop programs are thinking when it appears many of these J70's are being sailed by professionals.IMO not a good way to promote this class at it's first major event.Good luck to the amateurs.


The M24 has included a Corinthian Division since 2005.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:45 PM

I was wondering about so many Pro's as well. Man for a 22 foot boat, doing this regatta has to cost $7k-$10k. Including travel costs, dockage, hoist fees, room and board, meals, flights, DRINKS, plus if you are paying a pro or as some boats have two onboard. Not including the new jib or set of sails you bought just for KWRW. That is why we are seeing bigger boat guys in this division, they have the cash.


You realize this sport is called Yachting and it takes money.. it is not frisbee golf

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:48 PM

http://sailinganarch...g-for-key-west/




Anyone wanna make predictions on Class winners?


I'll be a homer and pick Smokin J from my club in the J70.

Interesting to see that the M24 Fleet includes a Corinthian Division.It's great to see a new hot fleet in the J70 but am wondering what some of the mom and pop programs are thinking when it appears many of these J70's are being sailed by professionals.IMO not a good way to promote this class at it's first major event.Good luck to the amateurs.


The M24 has included a Corinthian Division since 2005.

Thank you for the correction.Have not followed the series in years.Still like that concept and will bet the J70 Class wishes they had done the same.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 04:59 PM


I was wondering about so many Pro's as well. Man for a 22 foot boat, doing this regatta has to cost $7k-$10k. Including travel costs, dockage, hoist fees, room and board, meals, flights, DRINKS, plus if you are paying a pro or as some boats have two onboard. Not including the new jib or set of sails you bought just for KWRW. That is why we are seeing bigger boat guys in this division, they have the cash.


$7-10k? Double that, at least.


ayup

which I why I skip the event and go skiing.
It's fun to do on OPB's but really wasn't worth it to take my own boat down.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:07 PM

KMAG, yeah I know it takes money, my thought process was how many guys who buy 22 foot boats can afford $10k for one event? Our sport is getting shrunk into smaller boats because of the expenses. Why else would there not be more Farr 40's, Melges 32's and even Melges 24's there if it were not so expensive?! I sail a small boat, am I now to expect these owners to come into my class and turn it into a arms race because they can?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:15 PM


http://sailinganarch...g-for-key-west/




Anyone wanna make predictions on Class winners?


I'll be a homer and pick Smokin J from my club in the J70.

Interesting to see that the M24 Fleet includes a Corinthian Division.It's great to see a new hot fleet in the J70 but am wondering what some of the mom and pop programs are thinking when it appears many of these J70's are being sailed by professionals.IMO not a good way to promote this class at it's first major event.Good luck to the amateurs.


The M24 has included a Corinthian Division since 2005.

Thank you for the correction.Have not followed the series in years.Still like that concept and will bet the J70 Class wishes they had done the same.

The J-70 class does it too.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 05:24 PM


The J-70 class does it too.

The same guys that will sell you an early hull if you agree to enter some big regattas and let them put a bunch of pros on to show
decent results?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 06:30 PM

KMAG, yeah I know it takes money, my thought process was how many guys who buy 22 foot boats can afford $10k for one event? Our sport is getting shrunk into smaller boats because of the expenses. Why else would there not be more Farr 40's, Melges 32's and even Melges 24's there if it were not so expensive?! I sail a small boat, am I now to expect these owners to come into my class and turn it into a arms race because they can?


Sort of the nature of the beast. Economy drives the sport also and when people are not making as much money we lose the middle class (which sucks)

There are boats for everyone.. and different regattas depending on budget etc. Key West is looking thin except for a few classes. I am heading to Bacardi Race Week on the Vipers.. now that is a class that requires less cash and you can not really have an arms race the way they set it up... Even if the owner is bending the rules and paying a couple guys to sail with him it is still going to be pretty reasonable.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

Regardless of any discussions I certainly wish I was down there now with 24" of lake effect snow forcasted by Wednesday morning.Good luck to all participants and enjoy the series.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:50 PM

Lake Effect in KW too....good luck to 'em

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:51 PM


Anyone wanna make predictions on Class winners?


I'll be a homer and pick Smokin J from my club in the J70.

I'll go with the home team also with Risky Buisness in the M24 Corinthian Fleet.Past MORC International Champ and all around excellent sailors.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 08:05 PM


I was wondering about so many Pro's as well. Man for a 22 foot boat, doing this regatta has to cost $7k-$10k. Including travel costs, dockage, hoist fees, room and board, meals, flights, DRINKS, plus if you are paying a pro or as some boats have two onboard. Not including the new jib or set of sails you bought just for KWRW. That is why we are seeing bigger boat guys in this division, they have the cash.


$7-10k? Double that, at least.


It was around 10K the two times we did KWRW, the last time being 2009. (30 foot PHRF boat)

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:16 PM

How is that possible for a 30-foot PHRF boat? Even only coming down for seven days, a crew of eight people is going to spend minimum $100/day per person, that's $4800. Lodging at least $150/night per person (two people in a $300 room), so that is another $6200, that is already $11K, without travel costs, regatta fees, "wristbands", fuel, launch, anything. If it was only $10K for a 30-foot phrf boat it would not be that difficult to justify.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:18 PM

Ryan Ruhlman!

4th in the J70's. I love it. Keep it going.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:25 PM

Well, I am not doing the Race Week but Dragon did do the Feeder Race. It was great to meet Heriberto, Sol, Mainsheet Sister and LZ all in person. I probably met a few others, but was pretty drunk at the time.

Have fun this week.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:26 PM

How is that possible for a 30-foot PHRF boat? Even only coming down for seven days, a crew of eight people is going to spend minimum $100/day per person, that's $4800. Lodging at least $150/night per person (two people in a $300 room), so that is another $6200, that is already $11K, without travel costs, regatta fees, "wristbands", fuel, launch, anything. If it was only $10K for a 30-foot phrf boat it would not be that difficult to justify.


Well if you make your crew pay for accommodations and travel.... l

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:37 PM

And who sails with 8 on a 30' PHRF boat?

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:41 PM

And who sails with 8 on a 30' PHRF boat?

that herbi dude i guess

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:48 PM

And who sails with 8 on a 30' PHRF boat?


On the Henderson 30 we sailed with 9-10 sometimes depending on wind... was really f'ing fast upwind... but not very comfortable

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 10:51 PM

B Squared J70. Bryan Cameron, Brian Elliot, and David Hyer 2nd in J70, no pro onboard. Just 3 good sailors from Sayville, Long Island.

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 11:05 PM

B Squared J70. Bryan Cameron, Brian Elliot, and David Hyer 2nd in J70, no pro onboard. Just 3 good sailors from Sayville, Long Island.


There is a J/70 registered at KWRW with only civilians ? Now thats news




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