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#1 Bulbhunter

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 11:58 PM

Ok so I have a bunch of retarded neighbors who think the one little stretch by my house 25mph street is some sort of drag strip. We have two schools less than 10minutes walking distance and the speeders seem to be parents given they show up around 7:30-8am and then again starting at 2:30 through 3:30.

The local cops have parked a speed trailer by my driveway that slowed em up for about 3 days now at week two its just a potential target to hit as they blast by.

Anyone install one of those speed signs which you can monitor and they take photos? I'm in a small town chances are the town council will say sure if you pay for it. LOL Which case a few mailers with pictures and speeds posted on them will start to change some attitudes. Two weeks ago we had a 7yr old hit on his bike - the week prior my neighbors car was plowed into across the street parked on the curb. This stretch now has three homes with little kids two of which with kids who are out front playing now.

One of the neighbors with kids that play out front has talked about unloading his paint gun on a few regular speeders.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:02 AM

You'd think a small town would welcome the extra revenue from speed enforcement. Try talking to the mayor, manager whatever.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:05 AM

If a kid has already gotten hit, why aren't the cops there writing tickets?

Also, has your neighbor whose car got hit considered replacing it with a Subaru?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:15 AM

I use the grouchy old fucker method. When I see them scream through I yell ”SLOW DOWN THERE ARE CHILDREN PLAYING” even if the children are inside. Accidentally did it to a well-liked neighbor before I realized who was driving, felt bad, but he apparently felt worse. Once chased a guy down on my bike, he tried to ignore me at the light as I yelled at him to drive slower.

Once I finally made peace with not being a cool, young man, but rather a cranky old disgusting fart, it made the confrontations so much simpler. Yelling ” children” a lot avoids fistfights, you're just looking to protect the children. The older kids are embarrassed when I yell at the speeders,.I don't give a shit though.

Another neighbor sticks one of those yellow signs IN the road, seems to work.

Nothing is better than a nice sharp speed table/bump, but you need to grease someone on the city council for one of those.

Best of luck, fuck 'em up good!

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:22 AM

People who speed in school zone should spend some jail time. they are worse than sailors racing at top speed at night in whale populated waters.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:31 AM

video them and youtube it - plus send the files to the cops - and show them to the city council

anyone can tell the difference from 25 to 45 or more

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:33 AM

I used to follow the speeders home, stop, get out and ask them if they know what the speed limit was in from of their house. Only had to do it I few times, threw my recycle bin at one lady, she almost hit me at the mailbox.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:50 AM

Roll a ball out in front of their car one morning. That'll make 'em take it easy, after the slam their forehead into the steering wheel first.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:53 AM

When my kids were of the age to be walking to school, another dad and I made it our business to keep tennis balls within reach and tagged speeders who didn't respond to being yelled at to slow down. One of the cars we hit called the cops, who then stopped by and talked to us. It was nice to see they had our backs; and started writing tickets for a few days. Quite the change from being chased by the cops for throwing snowballs at cars as a kid in Wisconsin.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:56 AM

Make a subaru obstacle course in the middle of the road. If they can make it thru scratch free, they deserve to speed.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:09 AM

If it's not high traffic you can buy a couple rubber speed bumps and glue them in for less than $500.00, soup to nuts. Get a few neighbors to chip in.

https://www.google.c...iw=1024&bih=548

Your call, but I suggest saying nothing, and I do mean nothing, about it to the city and just do it. If the city comes asking everybody must remember that they don't know shit.

Or, you can fight city hall to do it for you. Might win. Might lose, but somebody will have been out to do a study, and will remember that there isn't supposed to be one there next time they pass by.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:33 AM

I use the grouchy old fucker method. When I see them scream through I yell ”SLOW DOWN THERE ARE CHILDREN PLAYING” even if the children are inside. Accidentally did it to a well-liked neighbor before I realized who was driving, felt bad, but he apparently felt worse. Once chased a guy down on my bike, he tried to ignore me at the light as I yelled at him to drive slower.

Once I finally made peace with not being a cool, young man, but rather a cranky old disgusting fart, it made the confrontations so much simpler. Yelling ” children” a lot avoids fistfights, you're just looking to protect the children. The older kids are embarrassed when I yell at the speeders,.I don't give a shit though.

Another neighbor sticks one of those yellow signs IN the road, seems to work.

Nothing is better than a nice sharp speed table/bump, but you need to grease someone on the city council for one of those.

Best of luck, fuck 'em up good!


What???? Give the kids some duct take and some twigs and tell thrm to htfu . Remember from your other post it builds character.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:42 AM

If it's not high traffic you can buy a couple rubber speed bumps and glue them in for less than $500.00, soup to nuts. Get a few neighbors to chip in.

https://www.google.c...iw=1024&bih=548

Your call, but I suggest saying nothing, and I do mean nothing, about it to the city and just do it. If the city comes asking everybody must remember that they don't know shit.

Or, you can fight city hall to do it for you. Might win. Might lose, but somebody will have been out to do a study, and will remember that there isn't supposed to be one there next time they pass by.


That's what I'd be doing, some form of speed bump Polisi tidur or sleeping police we call them and they're everywhere here.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:55 AM

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:04 AM

Hey U

Get a motion sensitive camera like the one deer hunters use.

They're fairly cheap. Might capture the plate number.

The flash will make 'em think twice.

Show the pics to the Man downtown.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:58 AM

People who speed in school zone should spend some jail time. they are worse than sailors racing at top speed at night in whale populated waters.

People who speed in school zone should spend some jail time. they are worse than sailors racing at top speed at night in whale populated waters.

sounds like a euphemism for your typical friday night at the bar.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:20 AM

Two options, both work with the exception of reprobates

1. Have a street sign faked up that says "traffic camera in operation". Put in on a pole by the road. Make it look official. Them get the biggest old surveillance video camera you can find on eBay. Put that on a pole a bit down the street.

2. Call the cops on every really bad speeder and report that they appeared intoxicated.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 03:23 AM

Good idea.

Neighbors on the other street put their little yellow dude out in the street as well.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:49 AM

random accidental concrete prairie cakes ( stategically placed )

cement mixer truck musta dropped them .....

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 10:47 AM

sounds like a euphemism for your typical friday night at the bar.

Onna rolle!

:)

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:00 AM

Ok so I have a bunch of retarded neighbors who think the one little stretch by my house 25mph street is some sort of drag strip. We have two schools less than 10minutes walking distance and the speeders seem to be parents given they show up around 7:30-8am and then again starting at 2:30 through 3:30.

The local cops have parked a speed trailer by my driveway that slowed em up for about 3 days now at week two its just a potential target to hit as they blast by.

Anyone install one of those speed signs which you can monitor and they take photos? I'm in a small town chances are the town council will say sure if you pay for it. LOL Which case a few mailers with pictures and speeds posted on them will start to change some attitudes. Two weeks ago we had a 7yr old hit on his bike - the week prior my neighbors car was plowed into across the street parked on the curb. This stretch now has three homes with little kids two of which with kids who are out front playing now.

One of the neighbors with kids that play out front has talked about unloading his paint gun on a few regular speeders.


Did it ever occur to you to follow them home and pull into their driveway and have an adult conversation about not speeding because there are kids around? It might work and be the easiest solution. If they tell you to fuck off and keep doing it, then I would make it my life to make theirs hell. Take pics of the cars with the speed in the background, call the cops everytime they speed by, just whatever it takes to figure out that its more worth it to just slow down than it is to deal with the hassle. Hell, even lie your ass off and tell the cops they almost ran over your kid and you want them arrested. Whatever it takes.

Just don't do anything illegal like cause damage to their car. It tips the balance in their favor if they can claim you did something to them. I disagree with Mark about putting rubber strips out. Too easy in this litigous society to be sued because you caused damage to their car with a non-approved device. I think that's a very bad idea to even give someone a reason to sue you.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:02 AM

they are worse than sailors racing at top speed at night in whale populated waters.


And..... the douche-hits just keep on comin'

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:14 PM

Hey U

Get a motion sensitive camera like the one deer hunters use.

They're fairly cheap. Might capture the plate number.

The flash will make 'em think twice.

Show the pics to the Man downtown.


The flash is a great idea. Maybe the Man would mail it to them if the lic plates are captured.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:25 PM

Make a subaru obstacle course in the middle of the road. If they can make it thru scratch free, they deserve to speed.


This is what we did in my old neighborhood, essentially.
During daylight hours, everyone parked their cars in the street instead of the driveway, and none too close to the curb. This alone reduces speeds by about 10mph.
If the kids are playing in the front yard, mom parks the car obviously/obnoxiously far out into the travel lane. That buys another 5-10mph.
If the kids/mom across the street does the same, it becomes a one-way 10mph choke point.

If enough people (lots of people, not lots of complaints from the same four people) complain to the city, you'll get your speed bumps.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:53 PM

I had exactly the same problem.

It was solved by the installation of speed humps. That took a LOT of firm but polite and considered communication with the city government (city councillor, engineering staff, etc.). Most people on the street were on-side and we were sort-of organized, in that one email was sent to the city councillor representing about 20 homes. The city liked dealing with one person representing many, not responding to 20 different people.

After many years of this, the speed humps were installed and the change has been dramatic. The street is much more liveable and friendly to children, cyclists, etc.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:55 PM

Beware, speed bumps are just launching pads, people will find thier car's tolerance speed.

I am not sure you will find that a speed moderating device that will work.

I do like the tennis ball / parking on both sides of the street method. Keep us posted.
Sail safe!

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:01 PM

Why don't you buy a cheap speed gun and then film speeding drivers and send it in to the council, that would surely help your cause.

Found this for cheap; http://www.bhphotovi...s=REG&A=details

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 02:39 PM

speed camera, public grants and fund raiser will complete the project. First contact local gov agency, second contact speed camera company to help with solicitation of local government, get grant and fund raiser. The end. this is done 100's of times around the country.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:08 PM

Hey Swannie, are any of them on Harleys?

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:11 PM

I used to follow the speeders home, stop, get out and ask them if they know what the speed limit was in from of their house. Only had to do it I few times, threw my recycle bin at one lady, she almost hit me at the mailbox.


Got you beat I was clipped about a year ago by side mirror while standing at the mail box not even sure they ever saw me.
Cop was parked out front though a little too far up the street right about where they start gunning it vs two houses down and further though the curve that runs across the length of my place where they would see the full race track effect.

Neighbors down one opposite side of the street at the corner freaking hate it only been there three months just bought the place in a bidding war. A few of us with little kids will be setting up the "Slow Kids Playing signs" We now as of two days ago have two bolted to the corner power pole and thinking of getting the hammer drill out and mounting a couple of 4x4 posts on the top of the curb in a few spots then mount the "Slow kids playing signs to those" otherwise the wankers will walk off with em.

I have done the grouchy old man thing stepping into the street waving and yelling at speeders to slow down - so far two HS kids came to a complete stop and were very sorry and told me they would slow down. The Adults will aim for you and try to hit you without so much as covering the brake pedal. Two streets away they had the same issue and started leaving old kids toys scattered around the street - signs and cones etc they said it took about a year before the speeders found a new route and the locals figured out that slowing down is actually OK. LOL

I'll keep up the angry grumpy old man plan - I did go out near the end the SF Giants game last night and track down one of the worst offenders been trying to figure out where he lived. I now know and I think I have about 10 neighbors we might all just walk over and introduce our selves with a local cop and explain why we are paying him a visit. The guy is in his 40's and a complete jackass hammers up and down the streets like he's in a fucking NASCAR race.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:20 PM

What some streets around here that had speeding problems did was to install those plastic/hard rubber posts in the ground. The city was aware of the problem and after enough bugging they bowed to pressure. Basically the same idea as parking the cars out in the street, but without the risk of someone totalling your car. They are bolted into the road, but are removable with a bit of effort if a big truck needs to pass through. If a car hits them they make a great bang sound and then just fold down rather than going through the car like a concrete post, they will leave damage on the offending car. Most of these roads have them placed at both ends and they are really visible with reflective tape on them, so no excuses about not seeing them.

I've also seen people who convince city council to put a nice big cement flower pot on the side of the road, sticking out just enough to not let 2 cars through without some careful driving. A big grey lump of concrete will slow people down pretty fast and the flowers look really nice.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:24 PM

One would hope speed limits are based upon clear science. There are rules and there are penalties for faiure to drive within those rules.
the presence of the children may or may not have something to do with the current limits but should have nothing to do with enforcing the rules unless that is clearly posted. ( example. In Texas a person may not use a cell phone is a school zone)

I suggest you begin by asking your city council to enforce teh laws in your area. if that is insufficient to provide safety, as thatt the speed limits be adjusted futher or that special extra protective measures be taken.
Those measures might be speed bumps, closing the street, placing barriers around which drivers must negotiate, changing through streets to dead end, forcing turns at the end of the block, additional signage, or whatever else some highway engineer may have in his toolchest.


In the meantime. Teach your children, and your neighbor's children about recognizing the dangerous adults who may harm them.



Good luck

note: You might remind the city council about what happens to communities when their leaders fail to act after being informed about adults who endanger children. (Yes... That is the official Sandusky / Paterno/ PSU reference which must, in an effort to prove we have learned our lesson, be added by PSU grads to any discussion about the safety of children.)

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:35 PM

Best result I've seen was a neighborhood road in Alexandria VA that "connected" two major roads. City placed speed sensors and a stoplight about 1/2 between the two major roads. If you hit the sensors at 30MPH or more, the light turned red and gave you a "stop and go penalty" that was a lot more painful than just going the speed limit. Didn't take long for folks to figure out how to slow down.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:45 PM

25 MPH is a county ordinance locally, but wow do people abuse it. Mostly the college crowd. Honestly I think they are simply clueless, and not intentionally being jackasses.

DDE nailed it with the ball throwing exercise. Seems to work best so far.

Talking to parents about assholes littering and speeding has been an epic fail.

Parking the car out in the road is a great idea! And yes, its a Subaru. :-P Should work great. Thanks Figment.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 04:53 PM

Beware, speed bumps are just launching pads, people will find thier car's tolerance speed.

I am not sure you will find that a speed moderating device that will work.

I do like the tennis ball / parking on both sides of the street method. Keep us posted.
Sail safe!


The noise will be a non starter for the speed bumps. However we don't have sidewalks and yes its fully 100% residential street that leads to no where - so thinking maybe raised markers set out say 4ft from the curbs especially along the inside bend along the front of our house to - retrain the drivers to not cut the corner given when walking lots of walkers and kids you often find your self head on with a car coming at you cutting the corner as close as they can to the curb zero place for people to be walking or for me to even be standing at the mail box. I'm going to research some ideas and the more extreme ideas like those spring poles glued to the street set out a little bit to keep drivers from cutting in close to the curb through the turn leaving no safe place for people walking or me for instance standing at the mail box. This would also slow people up a tad too. The street is actually pretty damn wide however the lack of sidewalks puts everyone in the street which is fine if jackasses would drive with some respect to people walking and playing in their neighborhood.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:00 PM

25 MPH is a county ordinance locally, but wow do people abuse it. Mostly the college crowd. Honestly I think they are simply clueless, and not intentionally being jackasses.

DDE nailed it with the ball throwing exercise. Seems to work best so far.

Talking to parents about assholes littering and speeding has been an epic fail.

Parking the car out in the road is a great idea! And yes, its a Subaru. :-P Should work great. Thanks Figment.


I have a huge Candy Apple Red Sequoia we leave parked on the street all the neighbors have told me never to put it in the drive way given it gives them a safe path to walk when walking up the street given cars must go around and they don't cut the corner as bad. Thinking led or just basic raised reflectors set out 3-4ft from the curb I like the spring post idea not a bunch just a couple in key spots that force people to pay attention and stay off the curb so there is a place for people to walk.

Small town doubt I can get much for financial support and if a few of us offer to do the job our selves pending approval probably not much push back at all. We can glue down some reflectors and a couple of spring posts for cheap and not impede the flow of traffic but for sure give everyone walking and the kids a safe way to walk up the street without facing oncoming jackasses thinking they are the next Hot shit NASCAR driver.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:13 PM

A finely-focused and ranged EMP device to discriminately knock out electronics of offending vehicles. Would also be useful against the boom-boom stereos that roll by rattling shit on your shelves.

That's what you need. If you find one, let me know.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:13 PM


Make a subaru obstacle course in the middle of the road. If they can make it thru scratch free, they deserve to speed.


This is what we did in my old neighborhood, essentially.
During daylight hours, everyone parked their cars in the street instead of the driveway, and none too close to the curb. This alone reduces speeds by about 10mph.
If the kids are playing in the front yard, mom parks the car obviously/obnoxiously far out into the travel lane. That buys another 5-10mph.
If the kids/mom across the street does the same, it becomes a one-way 10mph choke point.

If enough people (lots of people, not lots of complaints from the same four people) complain to the city, you'll get your speed bumps.


A few of us have done this a little it does help but the one time no cars are parked on the street we get a kid hit by a car. So need to get some other ideas. My little brother has a background in Development and plotting streets and city proposals so will be tapping him possibly for the town council approach.

For sure signs up the back side. Figuring a way to get cars off the curb which does in effect slow the speeds down would be ideal

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:31 PM

A lot of the older residential neighborhoods in Seattle use traffic circles at every intersection.

Another thought...consider moving if you can't get your neighbors to rally against speeders.

Buy on a short dead end street or cul-de-sac, is so you don't have to deal with speeders in the immediate vicinity of your home.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:33 PM

Signs, yelling, paint-balling, tickets, etc. are all good suggestions, but they just don't seem to work. The only solution to your problem is to have the speed limit reduced to 15 mph and install speed bumps, with the appropriate warning signs. You will need all residents on the street to sign a petition and take it to the mayor and ALL city officials. If they won't respond, then the residents need to get together and hire an attorney to represent them. If the city officials are put on notice of the problem and if a child is harmed or killed, then those city officials put themselves in personal jeopardy of a lawsuit. Won't be easy, won't happen overnight, but remember THE SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE OIL.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 05:53 PM

By the way curb to curb street is 36ft wide most neighbors park in their garage or driveway very very few park in the street.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 06:04 PM

Moving isn't happening we live in a prime location and the Market is off the charts not to mention we just moved here in 09. The old timer neighbor across the street says that the speeds and aggressive driving is something that he has noticed more so than anytime in the past also. He said back when his three girls were in HS the main issue were the kids speeding up the street to go to a friends house etc. But he said they were easy to deal with and that seems to be the case with any of the HS kids a few of us have yelled at - they all stop and now take it easy. Its the adults who pose the issue and have a really aggressive driving attitude.

The town is like 16,000 people so resources are thin and the town services in many case are part time jobs

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 06:16 PM

anyone on the block artistic ??

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1193610/Dont-look-Cyclists-faced-huge-hole-ground-towpath--luckily-just-pavement-art.html
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You don't sound very resourceful and are Not figuring on a Really Bad guy driving by

around these parts I'd say Don't Fuck with people in cars

people in cars act like they are in a forum (Powerful behind the wheel) only difference they have plates / ID

a slow remedy pour gas onto a couple spots about 2' around

keep it up and you'll soon have pot holes (or move here we got the fackers everywhere)

pot holes are an act of Gawd so no lawsuit danger

quicker drive around and pick up some Cones and under construction signs and put out randumbly

Kids keep putting cones out = damn Kids no lawsuit danger again

just Do No remove from a place needed

around these parts there is always a pile of em about to go up or just came down


or

Paint a crosswalk across the street and get some signs made (any vinyl lettering shop'll do)

Get creative rather than Fucking with people in cars = YOU NEVER KNOW


Make your own set-up like this:

Road safety

In a continuing effort to reduce speed and increase safety for both our motorists and pedestrians, we have initiated new measures and expanded others. On streets where residents deem there is a speed issue, we conduct traffic studies. We place traffic speed plates on the street to measure the speed of all vehicles that pass over or near these plates over a 24 hour period for 7 days.
When these studies show that there is a speeding issue, we determine which traffic calming measures should be put in place and also ensure that there is an additional police presence to apprehend, ticket and deter speeding offenders.
We have placed traffic-calming bollards on streets where traffic studies have indicated a problem and they have proved to be as effective as speed humps with the added bonus of not negatively impacting on the response time of our emergency vehicles.
Examples of these bollards can be seen at the intersection of Cavendish and Fleet where they are effectively used to divert traffic through the left turn from Cavendish Blvd. onto Fleet Rd. They also prevent vehicles in the middle lane from driving straight, which is no longer permitted and which would cause a potential hazard for pedestrians attempting to cross Cavendish Blvd.
Bollards will also be placed on Tommy Douglas Rd. near the corner of David Lewis Rd. this year to prevent vehicles from cutting corners at these stops. To increase awareness and to provide safety of our pedestrians, we have placed ten very visible flexi-median sign posts at all our major unprotected crosswalks.
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The city installed in May pedestrian crosswalk signs at street level and painted chevrons at the start of the school zone near front of École Maimonides on Parkhaven Rd. These measures are part of recommendations from the The city installed in May pedestrian crosswalk signs at street level and painted chevrons at the start of the school zone near front of École Maimonides on Parkhaven Rd. These measures are part of recommendations from the Traffic Committee, which is chaired by Councillor Sam Goldbloom.Traffic Committee, which is chaired by Councillor Sam Goldbloom.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 06:34 PM

So new to town you really need to love small I mean small towns. I talked to the town receptionist we have one. She had the guy in charge of city property ie landscaping and safety type issues like trees looking like a major issue over roads etc.

He sits on a traffic advisory board which has two retired traffic engineers on it - a major church pastor and a number of active home owners. 20 minute call he spys the area on google maps and knows the area and agreed that it was a big trouble area. So filling out a form getting the other neighbors to sign 5 of them thats all we need - and we are on the next meeting schedule. He even said they will hear us first given we have little kids and will probably be rushing back home to get kids in bed etc.

If this works out I will be very impressed!!!

Oh by the way when he explained his role I mentioned an old oak I just noticed this week hanging over a major road we have two schools on that is nearly at 40 degrees and for sure coming down soon. He said that he would call his ground crew who is actually just up the street and ask them to check it out. LOL

Ok lets see what happens!!!
Thanks for the info guys gives me some general ideas on what others have done and what type of things this Advisory group might end up suggesting.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 08:54 PM

Are the speeders people who need to go down your street or are they using it out convenience? We had a similar problem here. They speeders were mostly drivers cutting through this neighborhood as a shortcut.

The solution here was a lot of traffic circles. Not only did it slow the cars down most of the people who were cutting through the neighborhood, the worst of the speeders, decided that the extra hassle wasn't worth the effort and are back on the roads designed to be main arteries.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:00 PM

Here you go....

http://gizmodo.com/5...lmost-instantly

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:07 PM

Here you go....

http://gizmodo.com/5...lmost-instantly


Brilliant...

Get one of these, sell some ad space on your front lawn to towing companies, and sit back and have some fun...

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 09:24 PM

Are the speeders people who need to go down your street or are they using it out convenience? We had a similar problem here. They speeders were mostly drivers cutting through this neighborhood as a shortcut.

The solution here was a lot of traffic circles. Not only did it slow the cars down most of the people who were cutting through the neighborhood, the worst of the speeders, decided that the extra hassle wasn't worth the effort and are back on the roads designed to be main arteries.


The basic layout of the area is a primary main drag road across the valley from us with one stop sign and two schools on it less than 1/4 mile apart the road is dead end about 1/2 mile long max. Proper bike path wide paved road no direct houses on it etc. On our side of the very small valley there is our street that runs about 1/3 the length parallel sort of meeting the main road at the end - which ties to another road which runs the other 1/3 etc. The one very little section at our house about 5 houses long .45acre lot size is on a slight down hill/uphill with a street branching off no stop signs either street - then one house down from mine around slight bend is a corner ie end of the street with only one stop sign. So we get people racing up the street from the corner and we get people racing down the street from the top of the hill and off the other side street no stop sign - pair that with a very slight bend so you have people cutting the curve per say leaving pedestrians with no place to go. We don't have sidewalks. Street is actually 36ft wide curb to curb which is part of the speed issue. Nice and wide you turn the corner and hey lets drop the hammer.

So mitigation steps would be three way stop at the side street one house up from me -- then a 4way stop one house down from me around the bend. This slows up the cars a little assuming they stop! - Then some type of offset marker approach that would cause drivers coming down the hill to stay in the street vs shaving the curve leaving no room for pedestrians or me checking my mailbox. LOL Raised reflectors to set the shoulder - or even a couple of well placed plastic flex pylons glued to force the cars to stay in the street vs drive along on the shoulder etc. By forcing the usable road space down this does slow the cars up given if I and the neighbor park on both sides of the street cars must slow down to negotiate the narrower space which by the way is still plenty for side by side passing going opposite directions etc. So center line stripe - shoulders created with some sort of marking effort and stop signs would probably fix the issue. Right now its just a unmarked 36ft wide sprint track.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 11:16 PM


Beware, speed bumps are just launching pads, people will find thier car's tolerance speed.

I am not sure you will find that a speed moderating device that will work.

I do like the tennis ball / parking on both sides of the street method. Keep us posted.
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The noise will be a non starter for the speed bumps. However we don't have sidewalks and yes its fully 100% residential street that leads to no where - so thinking maybe raised markers set out say 4ft from the curbs especially along the inside bend along the front of our house to - retrain the drivers to not cut the corner given when walking lots of walkers and kids you often find your self head on with a car coming at you cutting the corner as close as they can to the curb zero place for people to be walking or for me to even be standing at the mail box. I'm going to research some ideas and the more extreme ideas like those spring poles glued to the street set out a little bit to keep drivers from cutting in close to the curb through the turn leaving no safe place for people walking or me for instance standing at the mail box. This would also slow people up a tad too. The street is actually pretty damn wide however the lack of sidewalks puts everyone in the street which is fine if jackasses would drive with some respect to people walking and playing in their neighborhood.


The biggest benefit of sticking posts or other obstacles permanently on the corner would be that it forces a tight corner, tight enough and the drivers have to slow down unless they want to skid out into the other lane/a yard (works best in ice/snow conditions).

Another fun feature could be to have a small proximity sensor, when a car gets close to the corner a bunch of embedded LEDs in the street turn on. Of course variants based on the speed of the approaching vehicle would work too. Though you only get one shot out of it per driver, once they figure out if they can drive over the LEDs they'll just ignore them.

Basically you have to scare the drivers (not ideal, but it'll get them to slow down at least for a little while) or put something in their way that they just have to slow down to deal with. That and lowering the speed limit is all you really could do.

Best of luck, the guy with the town sounds amazing!

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 12:17 AM

One of my asshole neighbors used to race his truck up & down my alley and I was afraid he'd hit my dog. One day, I pitched a 4x4 in front of him. He slammed on the brakes and came very close to running it over. I yelled at him and he apologized profusely. That said, I ought have known better than to take him on by myself. I was lucky that he didn't pull a gun on me or go out of control to nail a nearby lightpole.

In my former life I used to design roads and streets, among many other things for a small municipality. I used criteria based on residential population, existing right of way width, actual traffic counts, etc. Your extra wide street is in need of "traffic calming". See http://en.wikipedia....Traffic_calming

This is how to get your way with your government entity: The guy you are dealing may be nice but could get hamstringed by his higher-ups. Educate yourself with as much as you can about the subject before any hearings and bury their committees with what you've learned using the applicable jargon, documentation, photos, videos. Become a VERY squeaky wheel until the actual construction is completed. And I mean a TOTAL and unrelenting pain in the ass. You will prevail.

Please be very careful about what you put in the road right of way as it can be considered "booby-trapping". If somebody gets killed or maimed hitting it or trying to avoid it you can find yourself thrown in jail and/or on the wrong end of a liability lawsuit. I've seen it happen.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:16 PM

Nothing is better than a nice sharp speed table/bump, but you need to grease someone on the city council for one of those.

And you and the neighbors could put down a speed bump of your own with a little asphalt while you work with the city council. If the homeowners offer to pay for it, I would think the city council might be all over it...best of luck.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 02:30 PM

Roll a ball out in front of their car one morning. That'll make 'em take it easy, after the slam their forehead into the steering wheel first.


As kids we used to roll a basketball out from the bushes. The driver wouldn't see it, and it sounded terrible as it rolled under the car and got caught. Another variation that I was not part of is the unsuspecting driver brakes to a stop, and an Oscar-caliber kid would then jump out behind the car and writhe around on the ground screaming, and the rest of the group jumpsup and down screaming. Great goof. However in retrospect I am glad that no driver got hurt or too traumatized. It is indeed a stupid and youthful squirrely thing to do.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 04:38 PM

Nothing is better than a nice sharp speed table/bump, but you need to grease someone on the city council for one of those.

And you and the neighbors could put down a speed bump of your own with a little asphalt while you work with the city council. If the homeowners offer to pay for it, I would think the city council might be all over it...best of luck.


The cost of a speed bump and the noise on a very quiet street would be a deal breaker even for me. Sorting out a way to justify the shoulder of the road and force drivers to drive in the road vs on the shoulder will do a few things make if far far safer for people walking which by the way 10 people have walked by between 9am and 9:30am my office window looks out on the street. By forcing the drivers to stay in the road you force them to reduce speed also.

The form for the traffic review board gets sent in today and we go before them first week in Nov - first on the schedule. Not bad for just finding out about it yesterday.

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Posted 17 October 2012 - 11:57 PM

When I was a kid, we initially lived on a dead end street. Development resulted in the street going through to the next major crossing. End result was a straightaway with no cross streets for almost half a mile. We lived at the about the quarter mile mark. Since there were no curbs, my dad had old railroad ties stacked to delineate the property line. More than once one of them got thrown out in front of some drag racing clown.
(Note, dad served as a drill sergeant after running "The Gauntlet" in Korea)
City finally got on it, cops started patrolling.
Ironically, my mom got one of the first tickets - for 30 in a 20.

When my kids were small, I just did the curmudgeon thing with an occasional tennis or basketball toss. And yes, the kids slowed and corrected their behavior. The adults seemed oblivious. Some even made excuses about their speed - if five 3-year-olds weren't playing in my yard at the time I might have bought it.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:11 AM

A lawn chair, a beer and a semi-automatic paintball gun. Satisfying.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 02:31 AM

Had some time to sit one house up sat on the neighbors front walkway using their mailbox as a back rest - which gave me full view of the police speed trailer which is parked right at the corner of my lot facing the down hill traffic. Anyway sat out for the afternoon 2-2:30pm rush to get kids etc which are the same people driving like jackasses in the morning.

So just as I sat down this big Ford Excursion thing black comes down the hill as soon as trailer hit 35mph which they were still 80ft or so up the street from where the curve starts at my property. I jumped up and yelled slow down the young stay at home mom stomped on the brake and gave me that Oh busted look and proceeded on at the right speed. She knew.
I was sitting there when she came back the other way where they could see me sitting at the mailbox pretty sure that was the first time I've seen that truck doing the limit or less.

I was more interested in seeing what sort of speeds people were doing but every time a car registered 35mph or over before even reaching the bend I would stand up and either yell at them or just standing up fast would cause them to jump on the brakes and slow down. My neighbor was home and came out laughing at me. He says I told you their was some big numbers being posted on the trailer. He can see it from his driveway but not from the front of his house. He said there are a few 40+ numbers tossed up occasionally but if they are hitting 30+ before they even reach the trailer they are doing mid to high 30's through the curve where we have people nearly getting run down.

Anyway there were two cars I was hoping to see given the past couple of days I've been watching closer and these two seem to really rip by every time they go by. This black Volvo SUV 4 times a day will haul some ass through every time. Sure enough 2:35 there it goes 35 at the trailer probably carrying that speed or picking up more through the curve. So I wait 8 minutes and here they come.

I walk out into the street and wave them to stop. Whole family is in the car dad - HS kid and younger Middle school kid. Wife driving. She rolls down the window and I say Hi I'm your neighbor my name is ---- she shakes my hand. Then I say hey you live over on street XXX at the end of the street right - thats when I start getting the evil eye from them. Then I say listen we had a little kid hit right here a week ago and I'm asking a few neighbors to slow it down. She starts to formulate an excuse and I cut in and mention I watched them come down the hill and saw the speed. She stopped mid effort and I said thank you have a nice evening.

LOL I did notice that a number of cars really slowed up when they saw me sitting out there watching. I counted 14 kids rid by on bikes and 5 kids walk by on foot. The level of stupidity with these people driving like are in some sort of race is just nuts. My neighbor came out and showed me where his mail box had been hit three times ha ha. Big solid cement river rock type 5ft high box thing with the mailbox embedded in it. Glad no one has hit my mailbox its just a 2x4 sheet rocked plastered decorative thing that would explode into a million pieces if someone hit it.

Anyway crazy thing is I have sorted out that 4 of the major offenders all live on the same damn court up the street about a solid 5 minute walk.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 04:31 AM

Put a sign like this up at the end of the street and see what the reactions are like:

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 08:15 PM

Quick update more young families have moved into the area this past year and are PISSED! About the speeding and aggressive driving- we actually finally get a town traffic safety meeting next month!! Took me a year to get it! Good news is we now have a second filed complaint to the traffic safety board farther down from our area all the same speeders we have given they need to race through this other area also before exiting the housing development to the main road. BTW the main road runs parallel to this area and does not have homes directly on it and there are 4 points where our housing development area can access the main drag which is dead end ie no through traffic. The issue with people speeding through the development vs driving out to the main drag is that if they race through the housing area they can arrive at the far corner about 4 car lengths sooner than the car that drove out to the main drag and did the 35mph speed limit.

 

So figuring out a way to force drivers to slow down in the housing area will have an effect of those drivers going out to the main drag closer to their home vs speeding through their neighbors front yards the full length of the housing development.

 

We shall see what happens. Currently there are around 10 very pissed off home owners covering maybe a quarter mile stretch of this housing area so odds are good that the PD and the Town will not be able to ignore this issue anymore.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 08:31 PM

Just don't lobby for speed bumps. My Subaru drags on the bigger ones.

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:09 PM

Leave old bikes lying half way in the street.  When people see bikes like that kids are ussualy close behind.  Also I like the ball idea.  My sister has done that in front of her house works pretty well and good for a laugh when they notice it was an adult.  



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:22 PM

Another non essential street has done the old bike thing and balls it only worked after about 10 home owners all next to each other started doing social evenings with about 13 kids in the middle of the street  along with the adults people finally got the message to go the other way around. Our street won't work that way lots of people need to use it - they just need to learn that driving like ass holes isn't going to be tolerated anymore.

 

Speed bumps are not in the budget nor do I want to hear it all day and all night long. Budget solutions will be speed signs probably speed change from 25mph to 15mph a couple of proper stop signs where we have zero and the more costly items may be curbed planters that force cars to stay in the street vs driving on the shoulders ie cutting corners leaving no place for pedestrians and kids given we lack sidewalks - think street - curb and yard nothing between. Another area similar to ours also a primary route to a elementary school for kids in the neighboring town put in curbed planters every X feet along the sides of the road forcing drivers to stay off the shoulder - slow down and also giving pedestrians space along the shoulder to walk without being forced off the shoulder by drivers who refuse to give them room.

 

Yes we are dealing with a bunch of dick heads behind the wheel of a 4000lb machine.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:41 PM

Set a video cam on a tripod and record the offenders.  Drop a copy in their mailbox with a note saying that the next copy goes to their insurer and the police.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:43 PM

In Mexico they use portable speed bumps at check points... fire hoses filled with sand.  Cheap and effective,



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:49 PM

Set a video cam on a tripod and record the offenders.  Drop a copy in their mailbox with a note saying that the next copy goes to their insurer and the police.

The video camera thing is in the works only its more along the lines of security cameras hosted by a few neighbors with a camera that can view traffic ie driving behavior and vehicle identification etc. This will of course offer the ability for folks to point out a regular offender and then grab video of said offender to show the PD. The other issue we have right now is that the PD doesn't think we have an issue so zero enforcement takes place which is part of the issue because they watch the main road like hungry hawks and all the in the know dick heads simply race through our hood and stay off the main drag that runs parallel.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:52 PM

Quick update more young families have moved into the area this past year and are PISSED! About the speeding and aggressive driving- we actually finally get a town traffic safety meeting next month!! Took me a year to get it! Good news is we now have a second filed complaint to the traffic safety board farther down from our area all the same speeders we have given they need to race through this other area also before exiting the housing development to the main road. BTW the main road runs parallel to this area and does not have homes directly on it and there are 4 points where our housing development area can access the main drag which is dead end ie no through traffic. The issue with people speeding through the development vs driving out to the main drag is that if they race through the housing area they can arrive at the far corner about 4 car lengths sooner than the car that drove out to the main drag and did the 35mph speed limit.

 

So figuring out a way to force drivers to slow down in the housing area will have an effect of those drivers going out to the main drag closer to their home vs speeding through their neighbors front yards the full length of the housing development.

 

We shall see what happens. Currently there are around 10 very pissed off home owners covering maybe a quarter mile stretch of this housing area so odds are good that the PD and the Town will not be able to ignore this issue anymore.

 

 

Just don't lobby for speed bumps. My Subaru drags on the bigger ones.

 

 

Not up on the American language (main drag???) but from what I can gather... Yours is a residential road that other people favour over the intended main access road due to it being a slightly quicker journey? We call those routes rat-runs.

 

Perfect for speed bumps. Not one, many. There's very little I like about Irish traffic engineering, but oh boy do they know how to encourage people to use the intended road... We have some that you have to crawl over in 1st gear to avoid wrecking your suspension. Don't like those. But seriously, if the rat-run users reckon they'll have to go over a speed bump every 150 metres they won't go that way. The noise will be less than expected because the only traffic on the road will be people living on the road - no through traffic....Plus, you might consider hitting one ramp a little hard,,, but if there's a series of 8 ramps your neck won't stand up to hitting them all hard so people WILL slow down.

 

They're annoying as hell but the point is - they work.They really, really work.

 

Example from here: used to be used as a way of escaping some bad traffic lights on the main road from Dublin City Centre to Dublin airport. Ramps put in, no longer used as a rat run because constantly slowing for bumps and the effect it has on the car means people just won't bother with it - they'll stay on the intended road: (look both ways on road for idea of distance between bumps)

 

https://maps.google....,14.15,,0,17.32



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:17 PM

Quick update more young families have moved into the area this past year and are PISSED! About the speeding and aggressive driving- we actually finally get a town traffic safety meeting next month!! Took me a year to get it! Good news is we now have a second filed complaint to the traffic safety board farther down from our area all the same speeders we have given they need to race through this other area also before exiting the housing development to the main road. BTW the main road runs parallel to this area and does not have homes directly on it and there are 4 points where our housing development area can access the main drag which is dead end ie no through traffic. The issue with people speeding through the development vs driving out to the main drag is that if they race through the housing area they can arrive at the far corner about 4 car lengths sooner than the car that drove out to the main drag and did the 35mph speed limit.

 

So figuring out a way to force drivers to slow down in the housing area will have an effect of those drivers going out to the main drag closer to their home vs speeding through their neighbors front yards the full length of the housing development.

 

We shall see what happens. Currently there are around 10 very pissed off home owners covering maybe a quarter mile stretch of this housing area so odds are good that the PD and the Town will not be able to ignore this issue anymore.

 

 

>Just don't lobby for speed bumps. My Subaru drags on the bigger ones.

 

 

Not up on the American language (main drag???) but from what I can gather... Yours is a residential road that other people favour over the intended main access road due to it being a slightly quicker journey? We call those routes rat-runs.

 

Perfect for speed bumps. Not one, many. There's very little I like about Irish traffic engineering, but oh boy do they know how to encourage people to use the intended road... We have some that you have to crawl over in 1st gear to avoid wrecking your suspension. Don't like those. But seriously, if the rat-run users reckon they'll have to go over a speed bump every 150 metres they won't go that way. The noise will be less than expected because the only traffic on the road will be people living on the road - no through traffic....Plus, you might consider hitting one ramp a little hard,,, but if there's a series of 8 ramps your neck won't stand up to hitting them all hard so people WILL slow down.

 

They're annoying as hell but the point is - they work.They really, really work.

 

Example from here: used to be used as a way of escaping some bad traffic lights on the main road from Dublin City Centre to Dublin airport. Ramps put in, no longer used as a rat run because constantly slowing for bumps and the effect it has on the car means people just won't bother with it - they'll stay on the intended road: (look both ways on road for idea of distance between bumps)

 

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We have those just over the hill from us in another town very large and yes you need to do about 3mph over them or you'll launch or damage something. Very very costly as in WAY out of the budget for our small Town. Not a through street in the sense that there is some place to go at both ends its a dead end valley with one major road that runs up one side nothing but houses then a cattle ranch at the end of the valley. The only people driving like jerks are the people that live here all the speeders and aggressive drivers we have trouble with all live at the midway point where going just farther up the road and hitting the main road takes just slightly as in about 10 seconds longer than if they RACE down two streets through the housing area all the way to the end where it meets up with the main road which is still the only way in or out of the area. Basically all we need to do is slow them up 10 seconds and they will all just head out to the main road vs racing through the houses all the way to the end of the housing area before hitting the main road.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:21 PM

Sounds like you somehow have to make it slower to take your street than the main drag.

 

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I like the idea of planted potted Olive trees.

 

How about some scarecrows?  



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:34 PM

Sounds like you somehow have to make it slower to take your street than the main drag.

 

bumps

 

obstacle courses of cones

 

I like the idea of planted potted Olive trees.

 

How about some scarecrows?  

Yes just need to add about 5-10 seconds to the time it takes to run from about 2/3's of the way up if you will in the housing area down to the bottom corner at the main road. There are no Stop signs where several of the key roads in the housing area meet so add two or three easily identified stops and then enforce them you have the 5 to 10 second bump in time it takes to run through the housing area vs simply taking the closest of 4 routes out to the main road and thus we cut the speeding and number of vehicles driving through the housing area down dramatically. The curbed spots along the shoulder think triangle shaped tall curb planter say every other house along both sides of the street would do two things force people to drive slower given the road is now considerably narrower ie they can't cut the curve to the curb like they do now. This would also give pedestrians a place to walk where cars can't go currently if your walking most of the time these drivers will not slow down or give you room they won't even slow up so they do not pass opposite traffic at the same time they pass you walking on the shoulder!

 

Even mowing your front yard including my self many of us park our car on the curb so we don't get hit stepping over the curb while pushing the lawnmower. Yes its that nutty.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:45 PM

Ah k.. Another thing I like are the automatic speed detectors that give a live read out of your speed placed directly under a speed-limit sign. I certainly find it hard to do 62kph in a 60kph zone if it's flashing up in front of me than if I'm looking at the speedo going "ahhh sure I'm kinda at 60"...

 

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Maybe stick in some pedestrian crossings? Chicanes?

 

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Ask for road safety ads to be shown at the local cinema? The more graphic the better. It gets the point across.

 

(it is quite graphic in spots)

 

Road safety campaign in the schools so the kids can pester the parents about the speed?

 

Probably out of the budget but what about a lifting barrier in the road? Drive up to it, slow to a crawl, it lifts, go through, it goes down?

 

A cheap one would be rumble strips on the road at intervals. Doesn't FORCE the driver to slow down, but the noise inside the car is a nuisance if you're too fast.

 

 

 

Quick update more young families have moved into the area this past year and are PISSED! About the speeding and aggressive driving- we actually finally get a town traffic safety meeting next month!! Took me a year to get it! Good news is we now have a second filed complaint to the traffic safety board farther down from our area all the same speeders we have given they need to race through this other area also before exiting the housing development to the main road. BTW the main road runs parallel to this area and does not have homes directly on it and there are 4 points where our housing development area can access the main drag which is dead end ie no through traffic. The issue with people speeding through the development vs driving out to the main drag is that if they race through the housing area they can arrive at the far corner about 4 car lengths sooner than the car that drove out to the main drag and did the 35mph speed limit.

 

So figuring out a way to force drivers to slow down in the housing area will have an effect of those drivers going out to the main drag closer to their home vs speeding through their neighbors front yards the full length of the housing development.

 

We shall see what happens. Currently there are around 10 very pissed off home owners covering maybe a quarter mile stretch of this housing area so odds are good that the PD and the Town will not be able to ignore this issue anymore.

 

 

>>Just don't lobby for speed bumps. My Subaru drags on the bigger

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Not up on the American language (main drag???) but from what I can gather... Yours is a residential road that other people favour over the intended main access road due to it being a slightly quicker journey? We call those routes rat-runs.

 

Perfect for speed bumps. Not one, many. There's very little I like about Irish traffic engineering, but oh boy do they know how to encourage people to use the intended road... We have some that you have to crawl over in 1st gear to avoid wrecking your suspension. Don't like those. But seriously, if the rat-run users reckon they'll have to go over a speed bump every 150 metres they won't go that way. The noise will be less than expected because the only traffic on the road will be people living on the road - no through traffic....Plus, you might consider hitting one ramp a little hard,,, but if there's a series of 8 ramps your neck won't stand up to hitting them all hard so people WILL slow down.

 

They're annoying as hell but the point is - they work.They really, really work.

 

Example from here: used to be used as a way of escaping some bad traffic lights on the main road from Dublin City Centre to Dublin airport. Ramps put in, no longer used as a rat run because constantly slowing for bumps and the effect it has on the car means people just won't bother with it - they'll stay on the intended road: (look both ways on road for idea of distance between bumps)

 

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We have those just over the hill from us in another town very large and yes you need to do about 3mph over them or you'll launch or damage something. Very very costly as in WAY out of the budget for our small Town. Not a through street in the sense that there is some place to go at both ends its a dead end valley with one major road that runs up one side nothing but houses then a cattle ranch at the end of the valley. The only people driving like jerks are the people that live here all the speeders and aggressive drivers we have trouble with all live at the midway point where going just farther up the road and hitting the main road takes just slightly as in about 10 seconds longer than if they RACE down two streets through the housing area all the way to the end where it meets up with the main road which is still the only way in or out of the area. Basically all we need to do is slow them up 10 seconds and they will all just head out to the main road vs racing through the houses all the way to the end of the housing area before hitting the main road.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:54 PM

I like the speed detector signs too but after having the town speed trailer parked twice for over a month this past year right at the corner of my lot I can honestly say all it did was keep speeding cars off the curb and give pedestrians something to duck behind LOL. I sat at the neighbors mail box just up from the speed trailer at 2pm ie when the middle schoolers get out and the parents were all doing low to mid 30's and still gaining speed when they past the 25mph posted speed trailer. LOL My yard is along the inside bend just beyond that so fair guess many are touching 40mph and most are doing mid 30's when even 25mph especially with kids walking and riding bikes home is borderline too fast.

 

We have a middleschool at the bottom ie entry and exit point to the housing area and we have an elementary school about midway on the main road. The main road has a proper large paved path thats set back about 8ft from the road. All the kids in our housing area take two main roads in the housing area to the the schools I live just shy of the corner where the two roads join and over 80% of all the kids going to both schools pass by. We probably have about 30 kids that ride bikes and or walk by the house each way every day. And its the F'ing parents who drive like dick heads! I tell ya it doesn't get any more stupid its not like we don't know who these people are and where they live. LOL

 

BTW those speed signs are like $1200 a pop!



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:06 PM

We've got a similar problem in our neighborhood.  About to be made worse by a new retail development.   I sat in on endless public hearings.  There really are no good solutions.  The speed signs are a somewhat cheap fix, but dubiously effective.  Speed bumps are a nuisance for the locals as well as the speeders, and nobody wants one in front of their house.  Best thing to ask for is frequent police radar patrols.  Enough speeding tickets might make a dent.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:10 PM

Keeping the cars from driving on the shoulders ie forcing people to dive out of the street when on foot - and adding about 5-10 seconds to the trip through the hood vs going out to the main road would have a pretty big effect on the issue. Just need the town traffic safety meeting and traffic engineer to agree that we have an issue. From the looks of it we may have as many as 20 neighbors show up of which 10 of them are pretty ticked off and the other 10 want to see something done. So looking like the issue can't be ignored by the PD or the town any longer.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:18 PM

see that's just ridiculous that the parents are the worse culprits. What are the family of the injured child like? Would they be open to having their child feature on a flier handed out at the schools to parents along the lines of

 

 

"<insert cute picture>My name is xxx. I am 8 years old. Last year a speeding driver ran me down when I was cycling to school. I could have died. 30 other kids cycle to and from my school and lots walk there too. Parents still speed along the road where we walk and cycle. Does one of us need to die before people slow down? The limit is 25. Do you want to kill one of us? Help us slow traffic down. Even if it makes you a little late it might let us make it to adulthood"

 

If it's a small town though, there's probably not much you will really be able to do about it. Small towns usually breed stubborn mindsets and feelings of invincibility. It may very well take a kid being killed before they cop on.

 

Not knowing the sizes of the properties involved, would it be possible to donate a 2m strip at the bottom of each yard and have a footpath put in? Couple of days work involved, plus materials, yeah probably not the cheapest but... There's a child already injured....



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:29 PM

Kid hit by the truck was not exactly following the rules of the road either but it didn't help that his mother was the car racing down the hill behind said kid on the bike who was riding on the wrong side of the street. Work truck was driving fast not as fast as many but fast. The mother of said kid is a whack job she was also a renter I have not seen them for the last 6 months or so.

 

Regardless of all that the point is people are not slowing down driving like complete dicks with no regard to safety for kids or adults be it walking the dog, walking home from school, mowing my damn lawn or even standing at my mail box.

 

A couple of them have been stopped by a number of us and told to slow it down which case they only slow it down when your looking. Getting the cars off the shoulder ie forcing them to drive in the street will have a profound effect on speed and pedestrian safety. Adding three key stops will add time to the run through the hood vs taking one of the 4 ways you can get out to the main road thus reducing the number of people rushing through the housing area.

 

The old guy across from us been here 40yrs told us back in the day he laid a base ball bat across one guys windshield so the issue is nothing new pretty sure doing that today would result in lawsuits.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:42 PM

BTW those speed signs are like $1200 a pop!

See if your town can arrange to rent or lease one of those signs from a neighboring community.  Then get your town to park an empty cop car about 150' or so downstream of the sign. 

 

Another alternative is to get a local cop to park an unmarked car on the street , stand in front of it, and when a speeder comes down the road point a portable radar gun at it.  If resources allow, further down the road station a chase car with an officer handing out tickets to speeders.  Word will get out fast and the town will have a nice little revenue stream.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:46 PM

BTW those speed signs are like $1200 a pop!

See if your town can arrange to rent or lease one of those signs from a neighboring community.  Then get your town to park an empty cop car about 150' or so downstream of the sign. 

 

Another alternative is to get a local cop to park an unmarked car on the street , stand in front of it, and when a speeder comes down the road point a portable radar gun at it.  If resources allow, further down the road station a chase car with an officer handing out tickets to speeders.  Word will get out fast and the town will have a nice little revenue stream.

We have two cops on duty and I think 6 total. Town owns two speed trailers we had one parked on the both streets a combined three times for a total of 2.5 months. The PD did a speed observation where they parked in the most visible spot possible and of course everyone seemed to be doing 25mph! Wow! Had he parked just 25ft from where he did park ie in my driveway behind my SUV he would have wrote speeding tickets all day.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:02 AM

I really don't get how people, especially parents, have so little regard especially around kids. Kids near the road freak me out. We've a zebra crossing that goes between an icecream parlour and a playground. You'd be surprised how many people don't make the connection between the combination of those two places and the likelihood of stray kids on the road. So many times I've seen high speed toddlers making a dash for the crossing (from both directions). One recently where a bus had to stand on the brakes and blare his horn to alert the oncoming traffic to a 2 year old moving fast across the road with parent in pursuit. Only for the bus driver being alert that kid would be dead. Yet people fly through there at the speed limit (50kph) without any regard to their surroundings. People are just stupid. Really, really stupid and unfortunately there's no cure for stupid.

 

Is it possible to get the town to commit to a footpath within 5 years (gives them saving time) because it really sounds like that's a huge part of the problem. Actually, if you want to push traffic away from the shoulder then rumble strips all the way along the shoulder might work and be within budget? Nobody likes driving on rumble strips.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:17 AM

I really don't get how people, especially parents, have so little regard especially around kids. Kids near the road freak me out. We've a zebra crossing that goes between an icecream parlour and a playground. You'd be surprised how many people don't make the connection between the combination of those two places and the likelihood of stray kids on the road. So many times I've seen high speed toddlers making a dash for the crossing (from both directions). One recently where a bus had to stand on the brakes and blare his horn to alert the oncoming traffic to a 2 year old moving fast across the road with parent in pursuit. Only for the bus driver being alert that kid would be dead. Yet people fly through there at the speed limit (50kph) without any regard to their surroundings. People are just stupid. Really, really stupid and unfortunately there's no cure for stupid.

 

Is it possible to get the town to commit to a footpath within 5 years (gives them saving time) because it really sounds like that's a huge part of the problem. Actually, if you want to push traffic away from the shoulder then rumble strips all the way along the shoulder might work and be within budget? Nobody likes driving on rumble strips.

We have two foot paths between houses though its not on our side of the subdivision. Your right you can't fix Stupid! I'm actually waiting for one neighbor who has two 6yr olds twins and has had a couple of close calls to actually file a restraining order against one particular house hold both father and son drive like their ass is on fire and the only water in town is at their house. Restraining order would force them to go out to the main road the other direction ie the would not be able legally to drive through our area of the neighborhood. LOL

 

The big fix would be PD actually writing tickets

 

As for your your crossing zone situation I and several others have stopped in our own cars to let people ie neighbors cross the street only to have another neighbor drive around the stopped car and speed by nearly hitting the person we stopped for. Yes stupidity knows no bounds. Most of them by the way are stay at home moms which is even more of a WTF? Are they rushing home to catch the pool boy for a romp before the house keeper shows up?



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:25 AM

Do like they do in the San Diego area. .. ..... You have a water problem.. Don't you? I said you have a water problem when it rains. Go to the city and request drainage dips in your road. They love to take off oil pans.. From speeding cars. They do help drain the water but they will slow people down. Way down...

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:26 AM

If your wife is hot, have her call the cops to complain. One of them will be over daily to "keep an eye on things" while you're at work. His or her patrol car, parked in your driveway all afternoon, will probably slow the speeders down.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:28 AM

Do like they do in the San Diego area. .. ..... You have a water problem.. Don't you? I said you have a water problem when it rains. Go to the city and request drainage dips in your road. They love to take off oil pans.. From speeding cars. They do help drain the water but they will slow people down. Way down...

Hmm? Now thats a thought I had not heard of yet. We actually do have some water challenges and the roads in another year will probably turn to gravel if the Town doesn't start fixing the failed pavement and start keeping them sealed. Park the drains at the key Stop sign locations that need stop signs and bingo we might start getting the desired driving results.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:30 AM

If your wife is hot, have her call the cops to complain. One of them will be over daily to "keep an eye on things" while you're at work. His or her patrol car, parked in your driveway all afternoon, will probably slow the speeders down.

LOL - my wife is hated by all that end up dealing with her when you want to let someone know how you really feel you turn her loose on them then they are WAY happy to be talking to me instead. Thats the wrong approach for sure.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:32 AM

Fuck y'all...get your freakin' midgets inside in front of a game console like everyone else...fuckin' roads belong to cars and drivers...

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:54 AM

i think you might need to find someone willing to toss a couple 2x4s in the road before the morning commute...



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 01:18 AM

Roll a ball out in front of their car one morning. That'll make 'em take it easy, after the slam their forehead into the steering wheel first.

GREAT idea....



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 01:51 AM

 Couple of life-sized cardboard images of Pam Anderson in a bikini with her thumb out? 



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 03:36 AM

I think you need a big old POS one ton truck. A 18-20 sail/power boat on a trailer.

 

Then practice backing in and out of your driveway every morning and every evening.

 

Shouldn't take to long for them to find an "alternate" route

 

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:44 AM

My road used to be " test drive " highway, cul de sacs and no other exit.  My kids and others used the roads, no sidewalks, to visit each other.  car goes zipping thru, I would back out of the driveway when a car was exiting the area but 200 yards away, get out, check the mail box for mail as the car approached.and have a friendly chat with the driver.  Problem stopped in a month or so.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 05:27 PM

I take my sweet time backing into and pulling out of my drive way all the neighbors do the same same deal in SF on the street we lived on for 12yrs all the neighbors knew each other and we would take our sweet ass time getting lined up to pull into our narrow driveways with the cars parked on the curb etc. Oddly enough the people here in Suburbia are 100X worse and most of them are stay at home moms pretty sure they are rushing back to the house to hook up with the pool boy before their house keepers arrive and oddly enough NONE of them and I do mean ZERO of the one's I have sorted out spend any time at the gym.

 

One of our other parent friends the Mom is a big time Lawyer and she was talking about how most of the parents they meet in the next town over with their older son's soccer have a stay at home mom with a Nanny, house keeper etc she commented they better look freaking hot as hell and be doing Yoga classes 5 days a week with that sort of deal. LOL



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 05:31 PM

I would love to sort out how to build a laser based speed reader which then can be fed to a video system they can't possibly be that difficult to set up when you can pick up laser measuring tapes for almost nothing. Think small security camera posted at the mail box with a small laser / eye on it and your security video system shows vehicles and their speeds. That would be the cats meow anytime we have the same car speeding up and down the road we simply go check the security footage with the speeds and send a copy to the cops.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:44 PM

I live on a somewhat busy street with lots of 'cut-through' traffic.  There are lots of kids nearby and a junior school.  With the co-ordination of the neighbors and the city councillor, we have had speed humps installed on the street. 

 

Note these are speed humps.  It is a ramp up, a raised flat spot, then a ramp down all made from asphalt.  It is about 3' wide (long?) and about 6" high.  At 'normal' speeds (say, 20 mph or less) it is almost imperceptible.  At higher speeds (say, over 30 mph) it is like getting launched into orbit.  These things work!  There is less traffic on the street and what traffic there is drives much slower.  It is almost zero inconvenience for people living on the street and people driving sensibly. 

 

My two cents. 



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 06:59 PM

I live on a somewhat busy street with lots of 'cut-through' traffic.  There are lots of kids nearby and a junior school.  With the co-ordination of the neighbors and the city councillor, we have had speed humps installed on the street. 

 

Note these are speed humps.  It is a ramp up, a raised flat spot, then a ramp down all made from asphalt.  It is about 3' wide (long?) and about 6" high.  At 'normal' speeds (say, 20 mph or less) it is almost imperceptible.  At higher speeds (say, over 30 mph) it is like getting launched into orbit.  These things work!  There is less traffic on the street and what traffic there is drives much slower.  It is almost zero inconvenience for people living on the street and people driving sensibly. 

 

My two cents. 

We have one at the middle school on the main drag. There were two but the FD had it removed given it forced them to slow Emergency vehicles down too much on the main route to a gated ie high priced area. Huge drama and town trauma over the cost and the single woman who got them installed without proper town approval. Speed bumps in our town won't happen till the FD Chief, PD Chief and key Political players all get their kids run over by speeders.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 01:02 AM

I live on a somewhat busy street with lots of 'cut-through' traffic.  There are lots of kids nearby and a junior school.  With the co-ordination of the neighbors and the city councillor, we have had speed humps installed on the street. 

 

Note these are speed humps.  It is a ramp up, a raised flat spot, then a ramp down all made from asphalt.  It is about 3' wide (long?) and about 6" high.  At 'normal' speeds (say, 20 mph or less) it is almost imperceptible.  At higher speeds (say, over 30 mph) it is like getting launched into orbit.  These things work!  There is less traffic on the street and what traffic there is drives much slower.  It is almost zero inconvenience for people living on the street and people driving sensibly. 

 

My two cents. 

We have one at the middle school on the main drag. There were two but the FD had it removed given it forced them to slow Emergency vehicles down too much on the main route to a gated ie high priced area. Huge drama and town trauma over the cost and the single woman who got them installed without proper town approval. Speed bumps in our town won't happen till the FD Chief, PD Chief and key Political players all get their kids run over by speeders.

  If the "Main drag" is your residential street you are fucked. 

 

   For most residential streets, a city won't notice or care if the residents bolt down a rubber speed-bump. If your problem is punks blowing through uncontrolled intersections, they probably won't notice a stop sign that looks just like the ones they put in either... 



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 01:17 AM

 

I live on a somewhat busy street with lots of 'cut-through' traffic.  There are lots of kids nearby and a junior school.  With the co-ordination of the neighbors and the city councillor, we have had speed humps installed on the street. 

 

Note these are speed humps.  It is a ramp up, a raised flat spot, then a ramp down all made from asphalt.  It is about 3' wide (long?) and about 6" high.  At 'normal' speeds (say, 20 mph or less) it is almost imperceptible.  At higher speeds (say, over 30 mph) it is like getting launched into orbit.  These things work!  There is less traffic on the street and what traffic there is drives much slower.  It is almost zero inconvenience for people living on the street and people driving sensibly. 

 

My two cents. 

We have one at the middle school on the main drag. There were two but the FD had it removed given it forced them to slow Emergency vehicles down too much on the main route to a gated ie high priced area. Huge drama and town trauma over the cost and the single woman who got them installed without proper town approval. Speed bumps in our town won't happen till the FD Chief, PD Chief and key Political players all get their kids run over by speeders.

  If the "Main drag" is your residential street you are fucked. 

 

   For most residential streets, a city won't notice or care if the residents bolt down a rubber speed-bump. If your problem is punks blowing through uncontrolled intersections, they probably won't notice a stop sign that looks just like the ones they put in either... 

Until the snowplow blows through, those rubber things will not stand a chance against a muni snowplow.  



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:38 PM

I used to follow the speeders home, stop, get out and ask them if they know what the speed limit was in from of their house. Only had to do it I few times, threw my recycle bin at one lady, she almost hit me at the mailbox.

First 6 months at the house I was clipped at the mail box driver never even slowed or stopped. Folded the passenger side mirror back. Thats when I started parking the truck on the curb anytime I mowed the lawn or did anything out front forced the cars to stay off the curb ie go around the truck. I could just see my self stepping off the curb pushing the mower and getting taken out when I'm not looking.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:39 PM

isn't hit and run a felony?



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 05:02 PM

Hey bulb, you got pics of the area?  I am really currious as to the curve and the makeup of the area as i grew up on a lane without curbs as well.  



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 05:50 PM

isn't hit and run a felony?

Yes assuming the driver even knew they clipped me. Ever cycle? I can't even tell you how many times I've been clipped by a mirror. New to the area I also wasn't able to sort out who it was ie neighbor wise. Only way to really capture license plates is by video or taking pictures given by the time you can see the plate and the line of sight almost impossible to get the plate written down.

 

Good news is now that we have the meeting date it seems there are many neighbors I was not aware of who are down right pissed off about this issue. I figure we will have around 15 people from the area at the meeting and I know of three who if nothing is done will organize the neighbors and we will put in our own stop signs $250 installed BTW from the same company that the town purchases its road signs from. We need about 10 of them for all the major cross points in the housing area that currently lack zero markings which is part of whats contributing to this driving behavior people just wheel blindly around fairly major two way and 4 way intersections and then hammer it down the street.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 05:56 PM

By the way the entire Town the top posted speed is 35mph! Small down 16,000 people. Hard to believe its in the Bay Area eh?



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 06:34 PM

I can't see how that is legal or will help your case with the town.

 

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there was supposed to be the line about you putting up your own stop signs in the quote box, but this stupid forum sw deleted it and I can't change it now. 






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