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[Doug Lord]

Nav,

All the teams are using hydraulics on the boats.

I'm aware of that, just as I (and SR presumably) was aware that there must be control over the trim of the foils. But it's the detail that's interesting, not just having seen a barrel of hydraulic oil next to the boat. One way of filling in the blanks is by taking information from the crew interviews.

So how do the 3 present designs use hydraulics and for what?
What control is there over foils in each case? How are they trimmed and in which planes can they be moved?

The rams under the AR wing have been shown for example but of course there is no schematic of their function, how they are activated or powered
It's always interesting that when you get into the detail, what was 'common knowledge' can turn out to have been very different understandings of the situation.

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Good questions-let me know if you get any good answers....

[Ross 780]

All quiet at ETNZ and LR bases at 7am when I rode past.


The LR base is sporting a new flagpole and one giant Italian flag this week

[Kiwing]

All quiet at ETNZ and LR bases at 7am when I rode past.


The LR base is sporting a new flagpole and one giant Italian flag this week

Worth a picture - come loyal Italians where are the pictures of the flag and boat?

[Barnyb]

“Buona fortuna” Luna Rossa!

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[Xlot]

The LR base is sporting a new flagpole and one giant Italian flag this week

Yes, PB seems to have a passion for large flags - remember the one in VLC

“Buona fortuna” Luna Rossa!

Thanks, but you do not say that to wish good luck: it's usually "in bocca al lupo" (same vein as "break a leg"), sailors are foul mouthed everywhere and use "in culo alla balena"

[Kiwing]

"Buona fortuna" Luna Rossa!

Thanks great Promo but good in context as well!

[Kiwing]

Wonder if they are sailing this weekend?

[Kiwing]

The crane is up like they are both sailing today!!

[Rennmaus]

The crane is up like they are both sailing today!!

Two wings are up.
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[~Stingray~]

Is there much wind in the forecast?

[jaysper]

Is there much wind in the forecast?

Man! getting sick of this light wind stuff! want to see them in a bit more

[kiwi_bob]

Should be 10-15kn today - I would imagine they would be fully powered up in that - they just wont have much waves to contend with - perfect sailing conditions....

[Kiwing]

Will be perfect for just getting up on foils and trying to maintain that during changes in course.

[~Stingray~]

Should be 10-15kn today - I would imagine they would be fully powered up in that - they just wont have much waves to contend with - perfect sailing conditions....

Excellent!
Tnx, here's hoping we have a cam pilot on standby

[Kiwing]

Should be 10-15kn today - I would imagine they would be fully powered up in that - they just wont have much waves to contend with - perfect sailing conditions....

Excellent!
Tnx, here's hoping we have a cam pilot on standby

Can that cam pilot take over I am a learner!
ETNZ has been up on foils already!

[MUNUMANA!!!]

Looks like they are getting towed back with sails down. All over for today.

[~Stingray~]

LR got just 4 hours out of today? Must have had an issue out there?

[MUNUMANA!!!]

Very long tow from a long way out to sea. Must be something significant if they didn't nurse it home with just the wing.

[Indio]

Very long tow from a long way out to sea. Must be something significant if they didn't nurse it home with just the wing.

Naaah, they're just practising towing back from the Pacific outside GG against the 50knt tide.

[maxmini]

Very long tow from a long way out to sea. Must be something significant if they didn't nurse it home with just the wing.

Naaah, they're just practising towing back from the Pacific outside GG against the 50knt tide.

better safe than sorry

Perhaps they just want to beat the ET boys to the bar? Wasn't that the story last week for their half day on the water ?

[DA-WOODY]

Given LR have been out performing ETNZ in the AC45s despite joining late. I'd suggest that given equal boats and another few months training they have a pretty good shot at making ETNZ regret "helping" them.

I think its pretty safe to assume that ETNZ will be able to build a 2nd gen boat that is a click faster.

at the same time TOUSA its safe to assume will build a 2nd gen boat that is stronger

trading places ??

when/where will everyone know exactly the SweetSpot for Racing in FRISCO ??

[Rennmaus]

Very long tow from a long way out to sea. Must be something significant if they didn't nurse it home with just the wing.

Wing was down and later up until nightfall (and even afterwards?). Boat @ the mooring?
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[onimod]

I think that's two AC45's moored on buoys overnight

[Rennmaus]

I think that's two AC45's moored on buoys overnight

I really need glasses! Indeed, it's not the AC72 wing that went up for the night.

[onimod]

Does anyone know if it's still Franck at the helm of LR?
Has anyone else had a crack?
Is Iker even in AKL?

[Tony-F18]

Today, in the Hauraki Gulf - Auckland NZ - the AC 72 LR will sail its second race versus ETNZ. In this occasion Luna Rossa will fly the white ribbon, symbol of the international day "Stop violence against women".

Max Sirena, skipper of LR, has declared: " We are on schedule with our programme and we are very satisfied with the progress: no matter who is faster, in this phase the focus is on getting familiar with the boat and we are now starting to push on the throttle. This is already very good news."

[nav]

Do they throw the 45s into the drink if they bruise something on the 72? Makes sense if everyone is there ready ready to train....

[Tony-F18]

America's Cup: Luna Rossa skipper reflects on the opening days

Luna Rossa Challenge skipper Max Sirena is embarking on his fourth America’s Cup challenge with the Italian syndicate.

He joined the fledgling team in 2000 as a mid-bowman, but now has chosen every man on the team. Sirena took time out yesterday to review how the team has progressed after its late entry into the 34th America’s Cup.

Yesterday was Luna Rossa’s sixth day of sailing the AC72. What has the team learned so far?

We are still on the learning curve of the boat. Only yesterday we tried to be more focused in performance and proper trim than everything else. Up to day before yesterday was more about sea trials. With this boat you will always be in sea trials until the end of the Cup because every day is different and you discover something new with this new machine.

Do you feel like you’ll be ready, fully prepared for the start of the Louis Vuitton Cup?

You’re never ready enough, for sure. Our goal is to try and arrive in San Francisco in good shape, but the main goal is to have as much confidence in the boat as possible to be able to focus on racing the boat rather than sailing the boat. That is the main goal for us.

What has surprised you the most about sailing the AC72?

It all depends on which wind range you are sailing. We’ve sailed a couple of days in winds over 20 knots and it’s a different game, the boatspeed gets up big time. Over 18 knots of breeze you sail easily over 35 knots boatspeed. You have to change the way you sail the boat. You have to be more careful and you push less. It’s fantastic to sail this boat. It’s emotional and stressful at the same time, but it’s an incredible feeling.

Some sailors have said that it’s easier than sailing the AC45.

The main difference is the bear off in these boats. With this boat, you’ve got the foil and are able to trim the foil to have some lift, and that is a big help bearing off. Still, the boat is very powerful and it all depends on the wind range you are sailing. Somehow they are easier to sail, but in saying that they are way more powerful than the 45.

You went sailing yesterday with Team New Zealand, but how hard has it been one boat testing?

There is a very strong relationship between the sailing team and the design team this time around, more than in previous campaigns. The feedback after each test – you try different rake, different sails, different ways to trim the wing or the front sail – the results coming out from the sensation and the feel you have when sailing is different and difficult. I expect big differences in boatspeed for next year because you’re doing a lot of work alone and then you go to San Francisco and you show where you are compared to the other competitors.

Yesterday (Tuesday, New Zealand time) we did a couple of racing drills with Team New Zealand and that was a good thing because you speed up the learning process. But yesterday was Day 6 for us and they have sailed more than 20 days. Personally, I was very happy about the result yesterday.
Lunna Rossa and Emirates Team New Zealand in the first race between AC72s.

One of your shore crew was injured last week while launching the wing. How have you changed the procedures for that in light of the incident?

We spend a lot of time thinking about the best procedure to step and load this boat. The critical problem of stepping the wing is having the wing half way hoisted and exposed to the wind and wind shifts. When the wing is 50 percent in the air there is not much you can do. It is a big surface and when it starts to go it’s hard to hold. I don’t think we can avoid it at that stage. You can always change the way you are stepping the wing, but the there will always be a 5 percent chance to have an issue during this maneuver. The shore team worked very well and fixed the wing in a day and a half and we sailed on Monday. You don’t want to have someone hurt. That is the bad part when you have an accident like that. Fred (Gastinel, a member of the shore team) is already back from the hospital and tomorrow will be back to work.

You’ve been with Luna Rossa since the team was founded. How is this one different from past teams?

The big difference of Luna Rossa is the spirit, and this spirit is coming out of Patrizio Bertelli. I’ve known him for long time. For me it’s easy to work this way. I’m lucky because I chose each team member. The main goal was to not have any rock stars. In saying that I’m not saying we don’t have talent, there’s lots of talent from the kitchen to the shore team to the technical support team, to the design team and the sailing team.

The team is full of talent. The main goal is to have everyone working for the team and not for themselves. At the end it’s a team game. If the team wins, it’s good for everyone. We approach everything low key. We don’t like to send out an interview or press release after every sailing day like other teams. I’m not saying that it’s wrong or right, this is the way we work. I tell the boys let’s show what we can do on the water and then they’ll talk about us. It’s a different approach, low profile. We like to show our strength on the water, not just by sending out press releases every day.

So summarize the state of the team right now. How far down the path towards the 34th America’s Cup are you and how much more needs to be done to get there?

We are on the learning curve. We are really happy because we started one and a half years after the other teams like Artemis, Oracle and Team New Zealand. We got the boat in the water and have sailed in pretty much all wind ranges. So far, touch wood, we haven’t had any major problems sailing. So now we have to focus on sailing performance and going out and spending as many hours as possible on the water to improve our strength. There is a lot of work to do. We want to use the next months ahead before moving to San Francisco in May to build and test the right tools on the next boat.

by America's Cup.com

" We want to use the next months ahead before moving to San Francisco in May to build and test the right tools on the next boat."
That last line is interesting, have the challengers already agreed on multis for the next cup?

[Tony-F18]

L's?

[nav]

Tony the MS interview was posted and commented on from post #975 ->

^^ That's a great shot - link?

[Tony-F18]

Sorry, sometimes I have to do actual work and miss things being posted.
I got the pic from their FB page: https://www.facebook...arossachallenge

[Tony-F18]

The horizon is off in their pic, when adjusted you can see how the bow is up quite a bit (pretty much the same we saw with OR17:

[nav]

They must be pretty proud of themselves then with that foiling shot. As MS said in that interview they are not big on putting much out to the public. I imagine he like others might be a bit caught between two worlds communication wise. The old style 'Official PR Statement' or 'Press Release', was carefully crafted and at least by some equally carefully considered - whereas s sentence or two, or a photo posted on 'social media' is just a throwaway....

[Xlot]

The horizon is off in their pic

Noticed that, but I thought that's how it's sloped Down Under ..

Thought about OR17 too (and wanting to see video, rather that stills) - maybe they got back early to change undies. But (raked) board seems to move much less water than ETNZ's.

[Hastings]

Noticed that, but I thought that's how it's sloped Down Under ..

It depends on the time of day.

When the slope gets really bad you need to put on crampons.

Not good to have the citizenry tumbling in outer space.

Far too much junk up there!

[hoom]

The horizon is off in their pic, when adjusted you can see how the bow is up quite a bit (pretty much the same we saw with OR17:

Thats pretty much the attitude I've seen on webcam.
Its also about the same as in that first foiling pic they posted.

But unlike Oracle they seem to go there & stay that way.
Might help with keeping the bow up on bear-aways etc but its gotta be slower straight-line than ETNZs flat foiling with lower AoA on the foils.

In the other pic we can see that they get the same unpretty warping/kinking of the leeward side of the front element D as ETNZ.

[nav]

The AC45s survived the night on the moorings and have now gone out for 'Family fishing Sunday' http://www.takeabrea...-city.asp?cam=2

http://www.spencerho....nz/webcam.html Hotel cam is down

http://www.windsurf....am_takapuna.asp ?? Nope


http://www.sitecam.c...uckland_webcam/ Gotcha!

[Kiwing]

The horizon is off in their pic, when adjusted you can see how the bow is up quite a bit (pretty much the same we saw with OR17:

Between ETNZ and LR we have a good test bed for our theories and speculation.

My 2 cents sees LR faster but less stable and slower for longer? ETNZ foiling slower but for longer?

BUT around a race track which will cross the line first???

[nav]

I had the impression (but solely based on a couple of photo sequences) that NZ72.1 was less stable on her foils, but possibly not ploughing quite as big a hole as the previous iteration. Has anyone else noticed any difference?

[maxmini]

The horizon is off in their pic, when adjusted you can see how the bow is up quite a bit (pretty much the same we saw with OR17:

Couple more days like this and the challengers will have a new team to look up to LR looks very clean going thru the water .

[Xlot]

In the other pic we can see that they get the same unpretty warping/kinking of the leeward side of the front element D as ETNZ.

It should really be an open "C" so it can twist. But focusing on the red portion, it's quite translucent for a composite skin and reinforcements aren't aligned with ribs - odd

[hoom]

It should really be an open "C" so it can twist.

You're right and it is an open back C.

[Doug Lord]

L's?

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Has anyone seen any pictures of LR foiling on 2 foils with both windward foils clear?

[Ross 780]

All quiet at LR and ETNZ bases on the ride past this morning, though there were some LR boys heading to work .

[ncs]

All quiet at LR and ETNZ bases on the ride past this morning, though there were some LR boys heading to work .

Both LR AC45s were moored overnight. Today's forecast is mid-teens to low-twenties.

[Indio]

All quiet at LR and ETNZ bases on the ride past this morning, though there were some LR boys heading to work .

Both LR AC45s were moored overnight. Today's forecast is mid-teens to low-twenties.

Might be an opportunity for a salvage claim

[Kiwing]

I hope this is a long term set back for LR.

Us lounge junkies are getting addicted to our fix of foiling monsters!!

Might have to go sailing!

[nedoneil]

L's?

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Has anyone seen any pictures of LR foiling on 2 foils with both windward foils clear?

I would not be worried about angle of the hulls at this stage. Yes LR looks a little bow up but this is their first crack. For the 2nd variation add a little lift to the rudder and take a little lift from the L-foil and you will change the angle of the hulls to get a more efficient flat ride. NZ did this when they put their 72 in the shed a came out with their more aggressive bow down set up... Watch this space they will tweak the boards and be flying flat in no time. Bow up to start with is the safe way to go.

[Ross 780]

The LR boys spent the afternoon chasing each other around on their AC45's in the harbour between the Harbour Bridge and the Westhaven entrance to their base.

Didn't seem to be much structure and only a limited 1km run before turning. So seemingly not testing anything on a speed basis.

Both AC45's back on their anchorages now despite a relative breezy westerly and it looks like they will be left there overnight

[DA-WOODY]

flying is Easy









even DM could do it




controlling how you land is the Hard Part




When and Where you land - Even Harder


In FRISCO ???

you can interpret all you want what you learn in the Lab

But that's NOT where you'll have to take the Test

[Indio]

flying is Easy









even DM could do it




controlling how you land is the Hard Part




When and Where you land - Even Harder


In FRISCO ???

you can interpret all you want what you learn in the Lab

But that's NOT where you'll have to take the Test.

OR17 found that out!!

[maxmini]

The LR boys spent the afternoon chasing each other around on their AC45's in the harbour between the Harbour Bridge and the Westhaven entrance to their base.

Didn't seem to be much structure and only a limited 1km run before turning. So seemingly not testing anything on a speed basis.

Both AC45's back on their anchorages now despite a relative breezy westerly and it looks like they will be left there overnight

They did this rather than spend one of the few remaining days that ET has for two boat testing with their 72 ?

Interesting ...

[dogwatch]

They did this rather than spend one of the few remaining days that ET has for two boat testing with their 72 ?

Interesting ...

IIRC AC45s are not a "surrogate yacht" so this has nothing to do with the available time for AC72 testing.

[maxmini]

They did this rather than spend one of the few remaining days that ET has for two boat testing with their 72 ?

Interesting ...

IIRC AC45s are not a "surrogate yacht" so this has nothing to do with the available time for AC72 testing.

You missed the point .

I'll say it again slower this time.

ET took out their 72

That is one more day from the 30 total allowed

LR could have gone out with their 72 for one of the valuable two boat testing days that everyone talks about .

Instead they go out play with the 45's .

Why ?

[Ross 780]

It seemed a strange thing to not to sail given that the wind had a kick to it, but not so much that you would have felt out of control aka OR17.

The wind strength would have represented a reasonable and progressive step up, from what they have sailed in previously. In fact almost ideal progression.

The fact that the AC45's were being sailed yesterday and were left moored means today's activity was planned.

Given they finished early on Saturday and were towed in from a long way out, possibly suggests an issue of some sort.

[Donjoman]

Maybe they are doing some mods....or repairs.

[dogwatch]

I doubt either ETNZ or LR want to spend all their testing time on 2 boat tuning.

[maxmini]

I doubt either ETNZ or LR want to spend all their testing time on 2 boat tuning.

" all " being what six or seven remaining ? The two boat testing program was played up as a major advantage yet it appears that for some reason LR has chosen to minimize that perceived advantage . I think Ross raises some good points as well .

As I said earlier , interesting .

[Indio]

I doubt either ETNZ or LR want to spend all their testing time on 2 boat tuning.

" all " being what six or seven remaining ? The two boat testing program was played up as a major advantage yet it appears that for some reason LR has chosen to minimize that perceived advantage . I think Ross raises some good points as well .

As I said earlier , interesting .

It was "was played up as a major advantage" only by the OR-AR Axis in their protests/applications/bitchings to the Jury.

[hoom]

Don't forget that there is another new 45 days starting 1 Feb - 1 May.
Its not like there is no more training days.
ETNZ are obviously trying to get as much sailing data as they can get as soon as they can get it for maximum input to boat 2.
Also possibly going for maximum Xmas break before going hard out through to the AC match?

[Ross 780]

I agree with maxmini.

Why would you muck around sailing in a piece of water all Auckland yachties know is notorious for the strength of tides. You can't test anything, ie foils, in that water. So it was a nothing bit of sailing, rather than focussed sailing that you would do for an AC campaign.

I could see the tops of their wings from my desk and one minute they would be here and then look up again and they would be up by the Bridge.

The anchoring tonight means there is a high probability they will be out in them again tomorrow why?

Possibly building cat handling experience like more bear away experience in fresh breezes, maybe.

They have got 66 days left before 31 January and 24 days I think left up their sleeve. You would want to stay out of the Gulf Xmas to New Year maybe. Cuts a few days out. That means they can sail every second day approx.

On a day, like to today was, you would want to be out if possible in the AC72.

Sailing close to base also meant you didn't need support crew, who maybe were preoccupied with something else.

Doesn't quite make sense to do what they did.

[maxmini]

I doubt either ETNZ or LR want to spend all their testing time on 2 boat tuning.

" all " being what six or seven remaining ? The two boat testing program was played up as a major advantage yet it appears that for some reason LR has chosen to minimize that perceived advantage . I think Ross raises some good points as well .

As I said earlier , interesting .

It was "was played up as a major advantage" only by the OR-AR Axis in their protests/applications/bitchings to the Jury.

No it was not .

[maxmini]

Don't forget that there is another new 45 days starting 1 Feb - 1 May.
Its not like there is no more training days.
ETNZ are obviously trying to get as much sailing data as they can get as soon as they can get it for maximum input to boat 2.
Also possibly going for maximum Xmas break before going hard out through to the AC match?

Will ET still be sailing ET 1 at that time ? I am not sure when the second boat will be on the water .

[Boybland]

They are going to be able to sail against each other for months after January, even after they move to SF.
Most of the LR components except the hulls are probably made in NZ, it makes sense to be here early on if you want to change something, might as well get the same guy that built it to change it.

[nav]

Do they throw the 45s into the drink if they bruise something on the 72? Makes sense if everyone is there ready ready to train....

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What is with you Yanks? One of you refuses to name the sponsor of the team and one is too lazy to use the rest of team name - bloody hopeless, it's not 'ET' thickoo - that is taken, refer to the TLA's if confused!

[nav]

They are going to be able to sail against each other for months after January, even after they move to SF.
Most of the LR components except the hulls are probably made in NZ, it makes sense to be here early on if you want to change something, might as well get the same guy that built it to change it.

So the anti-spying 200m clause does not affect these two competitors now, before the design sharing cut-off, nor after it?

[maxmini]

Do they throw the 45s into the drink if they bruise something on the 72? Makes sense if everyone is there ready ready to train....

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What is with you Yanks? One of you refuses to name the sponsor of the team and one is too lazy to use the rest of team name - bloody hopeless, it's not 'ET' thickoo - that is taken, refer to the TLA's if confused!

Not confused in the least . If GD is ok with placing top priority of his teams owner / sponsor name in front why aren't you ?
It is Emirates Team after all

[Ross 780]

All quiet at ETNZ and LR bases this morning on my ride past on a Raleigh SBDU Road Ace at 7 am local.

AC 45's safe on the moorings

[maxmini]

They are going to be able to sail against each other for months after January, even after they move to SF.
Most of the LR components except the hulls are probably made in NZ, it makes sense to be here early on if you want to change something, might as well get the same guy that built it to change it.

The original benefit was thought to be comparing two identical boats and make refinements for future developments . That is not happening as planned , why ? Did LR get a better start then either of the " partners " expected ?
The practice racing after jan is nice but now who knows If that will happen either . It was the two team boat development that was thought to be a big advantage which is so far being squandered .

[Rennmaus]

Maybe they are doing some mods....or repairs.

Veeeery probable.

[Xlot]

All quiet at ETNZ and LR bases this morning on my ride past on a Raleigh SBDU Road Ace at 7 am local.

Impressive (the 7 am part, I mean )

[nav]

Repairs finished? Crane is up...

[Ross 780]

They have done some work to the wing with a a new top section with the AC insignia now present.

[hobsonlea]

Looks like 2 x AC45s in the Water and 1 AC72 on the crane just landed next to them on the water.. ! surely then cant be sailing 3 boats today ?

[Kiwing]

Looks like 2 x AC45s in the Water and 1 AC72 on the crane just landed next to them on the water.. ! surely then cant be sailing 3 boats today ?

Why can't some of the shore crew have some fun too?

[Ross 780]

LR have taken quite some time to get wing installed and cat now is in water.

But now have a problem. Cant get the wire to come free of the hook on the wing. They have gone up and now trying sideways.

Seem to have a "tangle"

[Kiwing]

LR have taken quite some time to get wing installed and cat now is in water.
But now have a problem. Cant get the wire to come free of the hook on the wing. They have gone up and now trying sideways.
Seem to have a "tangle"

They have all the bad luck just lately!!

[Ross 780]

Both AC72's have been in the water for over an hour now. ETNZ's is swinging on its mooring

Plenty of breeze out of the west

[Ross 780]

Finally heading out through the Westhaven breakwater.

Just have to sail faster during the day to make up.

[bluesea]

I'd think both would decline inter-team 2 boat testing after this phase.

[KiwiJoker]

Both boats out and sailing in fresh breeze. Water is flat, in close at least. Haven't started playing yet. LR off Takapuna. ETNZ when last seen near North Head.

[HNZ]

Thank you Mr. Webcamdriver. Keep it up!

[VTsailor]

Thank you Mr. Webcamdriver. Keep it up!

what is the webcam web addresss?

[Scarecrow]

www.spencerbyron.co.nz/webcam.html

[maxmini]

Both boats out and sailing in fresh breeze. Water is flat, in close at least. Haven't started playing yet. LR off Takapuna. ETNZ when last seen near North Head.

LR looks good on the water but very lonely Its been almost 7 hrs now when do they get together ?

[KingMonkey]

Odd that they're not sailing together.

Equally odd that Luna Rossa is now the 2nd most experienced AC72 team!

[jaysper]

Odd that they're not sailing together.

Equally odd that Luna Rossa is now the 2nd most experienced AC72 team!

I'm surprised that AR aren't out on the bay a LOT more often.
They could sail every second day and still not run through their 30 day limit.

[youah]

the return of spy game

[bruno]

All quiet at ETNZ and LR bases this morning on my ride past on a Raleigh SBDU Road Ace at 7 am local.

AC 45's safe on the moorings

good on you, old school, I had a Raleigh back in the day but not so nice, guerciotti is presently consigned to air trainer.
http://www.classiclightweights.co.uk/builders/raleigh-sbdu-builders.html

[Ross 780]

Thanks for the link Bruno. The LBS redid the bar tape in red and black. Very fetching and comfortable.

Waiting for the weather to stabilise before I get my ALAN's out.

[Ross 780]

LR boys having a play in the AC45's this afternoon. Running one with a small gib and one without.

Chase boat in attendance.

Seem to be trying to get their tacks faster.

[Ross 780]

Play time is over. Gone back to base.

Mostly sailed individually, so no co ordinated workout.
Some attempts at what looked like prestart dial up and then go.
Beats up to the harbour bridge and then a blast down harbour to the Westhaven entrance they use.

[Hastings]

good on you, old school, I had a Raleigh back in the day

Yes, me too! And 1000 other kids at our detested high school.

But these days you need a Flying PIgeon bike from China. Robust and chic, they are quite the rage.

Although newer Chinese bikes are also good.

Went into a Beijing bike shop looking to rent. Nice bike by the door with a very low price. I assumed this was the daily rental.

"No sir," said Mr. Wong, "You give me that much and you keep the bike."

What I do not understand is how a $40 bike (in Beijing) is worth $700-$800 by the time it lands in Auckland, New York or Sydney!

In some ways, the demise of those sturdy British bikes (eg. Raleigh, Humber etc) is emblematic of the disintegtration of UK industry.

[Ross 780]

Wing is up on LR.

ETNZ base was quiet on my ride past earlier. Everything looked shutdown

Time to analyse all the data

[Terry Hollis]

This defines Franck's roll with Luna Rossa ..

Franck Cammas is one of the greatest multihull experts out there. He is the winning skipper of the 2012 Round the World Race. Cammas' sports career also counts numerous records in multihull, among which the victory of the Trophée Jules Verne in 2010 (round the world record in 48 days, 7 hours, 44 minutes and 52 seconds) and the Transat Jacques Vabre, the crossing of the Atlantic ocean from Le Havre, France to San Salvador de Bahia, Brasil, that he won in 2001, 2003 and 2007. In 2010 he won the Route du Rhum (single handed transatlantic) on board of the 31,50 meter trimaran Groupama 3. In 2012, at his debut in this event, he won the Volvo Ocean Race with the VOR 70 Groupama 4.....just to name a few of his accomplishments. Cammas joined Luan Rossa Challenge earlier this season in the role of coach. AC UNCUT reporter Genny Tulloch catches up with Cammas in Auckland.

[onimod]

This defines Franck's roll with Luna Rossa ..

Franck Cammas is one of the greatest multihull experts out there. He is the winning skipper of the 2012 Round the World Race. Cammas' sports career also counts numerous records in multihull, among which the victory of the Trophée Jules Verne in 2010 (round the world record in 48 days, 7 hours, 44 minutes and 52 seconds) and the Transat Jacques Vabre, the crossing of the Atlantic ocean from Le Havre, France to San Salvador de Bahia, Brasil, that he won in 2001, 2003 and 2007. In 2010 he won the Route du Rhum (single handed transatlantic) on board of the 31,50 meter trimaran Groupama 3. In 2012, at his debut in this event, he won the Volvo Ocean Race with the VOR 70 Groupama 4.....just to name a few of his accomplishments. Cammas joined Luan Rossa Challenge earlier this season in the role of coach. AC UNCUT reporter Genny Tulloch catches up with Cammas in Auckland.

From the vid: Franck is only in AKL till the end of December. Presumably after that it's Iker or Chris?

[umpire]

Notice that during the Cammas interview they show a clip ENTZ up on her foils, has anyone seen a video of LR doing the same?

[ecosse4me]

Hi there Umpire, love the location name you chose. Should have been Edintram or Edinbridges :-)
Not seen a video, but seen the photo (was it photoshopped?????????)
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Notice that during the Cammas interview they show a clip ENTZ up on her foils, has anyone seen a video of LR doing the same?

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[DA-WOODY]

thing ya gutta love about this place

is

rather than pussyfootin around the bush

people just

GO FOR THE THROAT

[Kiwing]

That is a great picture, ups the anti for everyone!!