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#1701 maxmini

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 06:34 PM

It will be interesting to see how LR progresses now that they are out from under the shadow of ET. It's not unexpected in any way but should be fun to watch.

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 07:09 PM

Ross780 - zoom lens on for the LR camp - see if you can get some shots of the foils/systems that Clean mentioned?

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It would be great to find out what Clean was talking about-some kind of new foil control system but we don't even know what the old foil control system was for sure. So, it's not likely to learn any thing soon unless someone gets a camera where LR would rather you didn't.......

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Posted 14 March 2013 - 11:31 PM

Great interview with Max Sirena.

Best quote:

Everything is obviously related to wind speed. As soon as you go in a higher range over 18, everything is more difficult to do because the boat is way more loaded and is powerful. For example, it’s really difficult to do a double tack in a short amount of time, or a double jibe. But so far we are surprised that you can almost do everything, but again it’s all related to the wind speed.


One forced double tack/gybe, and the race is over?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:01 AM

Great interview with Max Sirena.

Best quote:

Everything is obviously related to wind speed. As soon as you go in a higher range over 18, everything is more difficult to do because the boat is way more loaded and is powerful. For example, it’s really difficult to do a double tack in a short amount of time, or a double jibe. But so far we are surprised that you can almost do everything, but again it’s all related to the wind speed.

One forced double tack/gybe, and the race is over?


Isn't there a worry about getting stuck in irons during the down speed mid tack and tipping over backwards or PP's in a stalled down speed mid gybe? Or are these beast's just too big for that?

You get boxed out deep in the start sequence and tack away but can't gain enough speed to complete another tack in time... the alternative is a massive and sudden bare away from a down speed situation in 18 and up! Yikes... Race could be over before it starts in that scenario. By the time you got your shit sorted and pointed up course the other cat is rounding the first mark.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:13 AM

Source:
http://www.sailingwo...under-the-radar

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:27 AM


Great interview with Max Sirena.

Best quote:

Everything is obviously related to wind speed. As soon as you go in a higher range over 18, everything is more difficult to do because the boat is way more loaded and is powerful. For example, itís really difficult to do a double tack in a short amount of time, or a double jibe. But so far we are surprised that you can almost do everything, but again itís all related to the wind speed.

One forced double tack/gybe, and the race is over?


Isn't there a worry about getting stuck in irons during the down speed mid tack and tipping over backwards or PP's in a stalled down speed mid gybe? Or are these beast's just too big for that?

You get boxed out deep in the start sequence and tack away but can't gain enough speed to complete another tack in time... the alternative is a massive and sudden bare away from a down speed situation in 18 and up! Yikes... Race could be over before it starts in that scenario. By the time you got your shit sorted and pointed up course the other cat is rounding the first mark.

Definitely, it's been happening in even the AC45's. JS has been one of the best at forcing boats into it, especially against ETNZ in the MR's that can be seen in at least two videos.

Not yet convinced about optimal fore/aft AC72 board positions foiling/cog/rudderload-wise but for tacking a more aft board position must surely help in any kinda cat if you get trapped.

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 12:53 AM

This is light fun but since Genny is evidently in NZ things could get more interesting. We've got practically nothing from LR for months; she has at least something already on her trip:



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Posted 15 March 2013 - 02:10 AM

That is an old vid as:
(1) Superyacht Weta (back right) is no longer there. It has been up in Whangarei for its fitout for about 2 months.
(2)The guy is wearing a jacket which there is no need to do at the moment (or for the last few months)
(3) If Genny was in town she would have invited all the local SA's down to Swashbucklers for a good time

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 02:59 PM

Source:
http://www.sailingwo...under-the-radar


So what's he on about here?

What is the difference between the boats?
Our boat 1 is very similar to their boat 1, but on boat 2 we made some changes—our wing is different, and the foils are completely different. Even the foil we will have when we arrive in San Francisco in May will be completely different to what they have. In the end, everyone is tuning their boat as they want. At the moment we’re not on the same level as ETNZ because we have planned our activities a little different to them. We’ll be about 80% of their boatspeed when we start to sail again in San Francisco when we’ll have the full package, and there’ll be another 20% of the development during the LV Cup.


'We' made changes when 'we' designed NZ/A?
Or we call/will call our modified B1 boat 2?

Or should 'we' be 'they' (which would then all make sense) and he either misspoke or was misquoted?

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Posted 15 March 2013 - 06:52 PM


Source:
http://www.sailingwo...under-the-radar


So what's he on about here?

What is the difference between the boats?
Our boat 1 is very similar to their boat 1, but on boat 2 we made some changes—our wing is different, and the foils are completely different. Even the foil we will have when we arrive in San Francisco in May will be completely different to what they have. In the end, everyone is tuning their boat as they want. At the moment we’re not on the same level as ETNZ because we have planned our activities a little different to them. We’ll be about 80% of their boatspeed when we start to sail again in San Francisco when we’ll have the full package, and there’ll be another 20% of the development during the LV Cup.


'We' made changes when 'we' designed NZ/A?
Or we call/will call our modified B1 boat 2?

Or should 'we' be 'they' (which would then all make sense) and he either misspoke or was misquoted?


I think we should be they...

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Posted 16 March 2013 - 05:17 PM

The quote is most likely accurate as it stands. LR have made wing and foil changes such that they now view it as their boat 2.

Not much different than 17b - same concept that everyone seems to accept.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:58 PM

And the hulls are hardly ever in the water,
so whats sailing is new!!
:)

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:27 PM



Sorry if this has been posted before.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:56 PM

@ 1:08 :o

Last day sailing has been and gone. Loading day - 26th March.
First day sailing in SF - 10th May

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:28 PM

I wonder if LR and ENTZ will share ride on the way to America?

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:31 PM

Shame to see them leave.
Hope we can host them for the next AC in Auckland.
The Italians (Luna Rossa & Mascalzone Latino) are always good spirited and a lot of fun.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 06:40 PM

The missing shots of the last months...

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 09:50 PM

I wonder if LR and ENTZ will share ride on the way to America?

While the boats may travel on the same ship, this para seems to suggest LR will be leaving sooner: http://i.stuff.co.nz...a-upping-anchor

"Team New Zealand will continue solo training in Auckland before shifting base to San Francisco in May."

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:26 PM


I wonder if LR and ENTZ will share ride on the way to America?

While the boats may travel on the same ship, this para seems to suggest LR will be leaving sooner: http://i.stuff.co.nz...a-upping-anchor

"Team New Zealand will continue solo training in Auckland before shifting base to San Francisco in May."


If memory serves, ETNZ will pack up and move in mid-April before opening shop in San Francisco in late May.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 10:32 PM

The missing shots of the last months...


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All photos Copyright Luna Rossa Challenge 2013 – Photo by Brendon O’ Hagan


Interesting to see they have added an enema protector here.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:19 AM



I wonder if LR and ENTZ will share ride on the way to America?

While the boats may travel on the same ship, this para seems to suggest LR will be leaving sooner: http://i.stuff.co.nz...a-upping-anchor

"Team New Zealand will continue solo training in Auckland before shifting base to San Francisco in May."


If memory serves, ETNZ will pack up and move in mid-April before opening shop in San Francisco in late May.

Perhaps ETNZ is waiting for when their crane operator is ready to pack up and move with them to SF?

:)

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 03:05 AM




I wonder if LR and ENTZ will share ride on the way to America?

While the boats may travel on the same ship, this para seems to suggest LR will be leaving sooner: http://i.stuff.co.nz...a-upping-anchor

"Team New Zealand will continue solo training in Auckland before shifting base to San Francisco in May."


If memory serves, ETNZ will pack up and move in mid-April before opening shop in San Francisco in late May.

Perhaps ETNZ is waiting for when their crane operator is ready to pack up and move with them to SF?

:)


No where to hide if you're the OR crane operator.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 06:09 AM



Sorry if this has been posted before.


interesting seeing draper leave the wheel and run across the tramp mid tack. i guess i expected them to have a lee helmsmen hold course while he gets across.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 07:18 AM




Sorry if this has been posted before.


interesting seeing draper leave the wheel and run across the tramp mid tack. i guess i expected them to have a lee helmsmen hold course while he gets across.

That is one hell of a good looking boat.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 08:00 AM

interesting seeing draper leave the wheel and run across the tramp mid tack. i guess i expected them to have a lee helmsmen hold course while he gets across.

Check the vid again. As he leaves the S'brd side there is already someone sitting on port holding the wheel.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 06:21 AM

Alameda update

Some woodworkers were in today building what looks to me like a sail loft.
They have started rigging their new dock.
One solitary 40' shipping container occupies the middle of the floor.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 11:14 AM

And inside the container a large cardboard box.
Inside the box... a plastic chair!

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 05:30 PM

For our good friend Xlot:



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Posted 28 March 2013 - 07:02 PM


^^
Hadn't seen that Rennie (as always, my search capability is non-existent) - thanks.

Met Giulio Guazzini in Palermo for the C-cat presentation, gave him the CNN 3-part Newport LAC link.



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Posted 30 March 2013 - 04:51 PM

And inside the container a large cardboard box.
Inside the box... a plastic chair!


we need a 3d rendering of that container, cardboard box, and most importantly, the chair. and anything on the floor whatsoever could also be helpful.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:09 PM


And inside the container a large cardboard box.
Inside the box... a plastic chair!


we need a 3d rendering of that container, cardboard box, and most importantly, the chair. and anything on the floor whatsoever could also be helpful.


I have heard from an inside source that the chair has advanced rocking technology.

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Posted 30 March 2013 - 05:56 PM



And inside the container a large cardboard box.
Inside the box... a plastic chair!


we need a 3d rendering of that container, cardboard box, and most importantly, the chair. and anything on the floor whatsoever could also be helpful.


I have heard from an inside source that the chair has advanced rocking technology.

I like it, but i'm sure it looks something more like this:
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Posted 03 April 2013 - 10:56 PM

http://www.wynyard-q...dia/Webcam.aspx

LR's 'tent wall' containers being stripped down now in the background.

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Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:01 PM


^^
But has the boat left already? Was supposed to ship out on March 26


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Posted 03 April 2013 - 11:55 PM

Wouldn't it be nice if, like the other teams, LR at least Tweeted something occasionally?

Their PR has been a bit of a let-down for me, I'd expected Prada to be more engaging. Perhaps it'll come, maybe even starting in Napoli.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 12:38 AM

I guess the fact that they are moving under cover in Alameda means that don't have to move the boat and the whole base at once, unlike ETNZ who move to a concrete desert.
Good chance both bases will move together.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:00 PM

I guess the fact that they are moving under cover in Alameda means that don't have to move the boat and the whole base at once, unlike ETNZ who move to a concrete desert.
Good chance both bases will move together.

Thanks Nav.

I always read your posts!

LR will raise the visual standards in the bay and maybe attract a new group of spectators!

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:30 AM

Wouldn't it be nice if, like the other teams, LR at least Tweeted something occasionally?

Their PR has been a bit of a let-down for me, I'd expected Prada to be more engaging. Perhaps it'll come, maybe even starting in Napoli.

 

 

Agreed. They are normally one of the really friendly teams.

Maybe they are just not comfy with the web as a medium



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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:37 AM

Wouldn't it be nice if, like the other teams, LR at least Tweeted something occasionally?

Their PR has been a bit of a let-down for me, I'd expected Prada to be more engaging. Perhaps it'll come, maybe even starting in Napoli.


Prada does not tweet. They dress twats. Well.

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 01:41 PM

^ Funny
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At LR's FB:

ACWS Napoli 2013 - In attesa delle regate ufficiali.
Updated about an hour ago · Taken at Napoli
ACWS Naples 2013 - Waiting for the official races.
https://www.facebook...=3&l=7c3249bdcc

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:13 PM

Luna Rosas' future digs next to Camp Artemis .

(Orma 60 in front of Camp Artemis.

 

 

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 06:53 PM

Wow. Everything is bigger in Texas California eh? - even the Orma 60s 72s!

 

Couple of good hulls going to waste there :D



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:21 PM

^^ I wonder if either AR or LR will be drilling any well placed holes in the shared walls between the two bases? :ph34r:



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:26 PM

American MO (or is it the Russians?) LR base will already be fully wired*!

 

* this is a joke for those having difficulties with over the top comments



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:45 PM

^^ I wonder if either AR or LR will be drilling any well placed holes in the shared walls between the two bases? :ph34r:

 

I know that is meant to be a light hearted comment. :)

 

To late in the game for any useful technology transfere. 

Its been close to a year now that I've been hanging around Artemis and just lately getting to meet crew from Or and ENTZ.

These guys all know each other, they are good friends, they have worked with or against each other for many AC campaigns.  I'm pretty sure these teams know whats going on next door.



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 07:57 PM

Luna Rosas' future digs next to Camp Artemis .


Et Tu, Pulticula Monstri?

It's Luna Ross ... oh, forget it

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:10 PM

Luna Rosas' future digs next to Camp Artemis .

(Orma 60 in front of Camp Artemis.

 

 

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Surprised they didn't give it a fresh coat of paint before putting their name on it.

 

Glad to see Alameda involved in the cup. Maybe that will be the next village site should Oracle defend. A kind of gift to Pehskin.



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:25 PM

^^ I wonder if either AR or LR will be drilling any well placed holes in the shared walls between the two bases? :ph34r:

 

I know that is meant to be a light hearted comment. :)

 

To late in the game for any useful technology transfere. 

Its been close to a year now that I've been hanging around Artemis and just lately getting to meet crew from Or and ENTZ.

These guys all know each other, they are good friends, they have worked with or against each other for many AC campaigns.  I'm pretty sure these teams know whats going on next door.

 

Glad to see someone around here can detect some levity!

 

Actually, your point about them being friends.

I wonder if some of the rhetoric being thrown around by OR & ETNZ will cause some damage?



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 08:35 PM



Luna Rosas' future digs next to Camp Artemis .
(Orma 60 in front of Camp Artemis.
 
 
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Surprised they didn't give it a fresh coat of paint before putting their name on it.
 
Glad to see Alameda involved in the cup. Maybe that will be the next village site should Oracle defend. A kind of gift to Pehskin.
Yep, who painted the sign with the misspelling, might it have been MM? :)

And.. Agreed.

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Posted 07 April 2013 - 09:23 PM

^

Misspelled? 

Not me, my keyboard must be broken. :)



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Posted 07 April 2013 - 10:07 PM

I doubt RC and GD send eachother cards for christmas...

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:29 AM

Didn't PC sail for an Italian team previously ?



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:32 AM

Didn't PC sail for an Italian team previously ?

 

Yep, he kicked TNZ's arse in the '92 LVC final as part of Il Moro De Venzia (spelling?).

I think maybe another Italian team also, but not sure.

 

My understanding is that he has Italian heritage and speaks the language, so a pretty good fit.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:41 AM

PC's (ex?) wife is Swedish, her father Pelle Peterson a noted Swedish yacht designer. That fits well too.

It's nice that AR is as Swedish as it is, their Club's commodore and others have been visiting SF already and their Swedish Youth Team has been given a lot of attention too.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:48 AM

^ I don't much care "how Swedish" they are. Its just nice to have as many other countries and teams in the AC.

 

I still wish Mascalzone Latino were in it as they were one of my faves.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:52 AM

^ I don't much care "how Swedish" they are. Its just nice to have as many other countries and teams in the AC.

 

I still wish Mascalzone Latino were in it as they were one of my faves.

Quit being so irrational.

 

Don't they have 392 kiwis, one crazy frenchman and an aussie ?



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 01:56 AM

^ I don't much care "how Swedish" they are. Its just nice to have as many other countries and teams in the AC.

 

I still wish Mascalzone Latino were in it as they were one of my faves.

Quit being so irrational.

 

Don't they have 392 kiwis, one crazy frenchman and an aussie ?

 

 

Hehehe, probably. Especially the crazy french man.

Still great to see them in it.

 

I think that super strict nationality rules are bollocks anyways.

If you were to restrict it, for example, to people born in that country you would be excluding a number of my best friends who were not born in NZ but are some of the truest of Kiwis I know.

 

In fact, if we went overboard with the country of origin rules, NZ probably couldn't compete, since all the teams get their sails from the same place as I understand it



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:05 AM

 

^ I don't much care "how Swedish" they are. Its just nice to have as many other countries and teams in the AC.

 

I still wish Mascalzone Latino were in it as they were one of my faves.

Quit being so irrational.

 

Don't they have 392 kiwis, one crazy frenchman and an aussie ?

 

 

Hehehe, probably. Especially the crazy french man.

Still great to see them in it.

 

I think that super strict nationality rules are bollocks anyways.

If you were to restrict it, for example, to people born in that country you would be excluding a number of my best friends who were not born in NZ but are some of the truest of Kiwis I know.

 

In fact, if we went overboard with the country of origin rules, NZ probably couldn't compete, since all the teams get their sails from the same place as I understand it

I agree with the argument that nationality rules would only benefit NZ if NZ wins the cup, and that would put many bodies on the street. 

 

The strongest advocates can't see past their nose. It's like protectionisim as a good economic strategy.



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:11 AM

 

 

^ I don't much care "how Swedish" they are. Its just nice to have as many other countries and teams in the AC.

 

I still wish Mascalzone Latino were in it as they were one of my faves.

Quit being so irrational.

 

Don't they have 392 kiwis, one crazy frenchman and an aussie ?

 

 

Hehehe, probably. Especially the crazy french man.

Still great to see them in it.

 

I think that super strict nationality rules are bollocks anyways.

If you were to restrict it, for example, to people born in that country you would be excluding a number of my best friends who were not born in NZ but are some of the truest of Kiwis I know.

 

In fact, if we went overboard with the country of origin rules, NZ probably couldn't compete, since all the teams get their sails from the same place as I understand it

I agree with the argument that nationality rules would only benefit NZ if NZ wins the cup, and that would put many bodies on the street. 

 

The strongest advocates can't see past their nose. It's like protectionisim as a good economic strategy.

 

I think that in the short term at least, strict nationality rules would favour NZ regardless of whether they are defender or not since it would force some incredibly talented people out of the cup, and NOT all of them are Kiwis.

 

If we look at OR, they would lose a tonne of talent including BA, JS and all the other Ozzies in addition to the Kiwis.

 

Either way, I don't agree with them even though I have to admit to having a heightened affinity to my own team because of the number of Kiwis in it.

However, my definition of Kiwi includes the likes of Gio & Rod Davis who are as Kiwi as I am IMHO.

Perhaps even more so, since they chose to come here rather than being born here?



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:44 AM

A majority (>50%) of the sailors being native born should satisfy most everybody's nationalistic lusts without too big a hurt on the rest of things.

But like RC suggested in this week's interview, the Keep It In SF/USA factor could be big regardless the honorary American guns Larry hires. Nobody here hates Ozzies, NZers, Brits, etc. It's just not a 'competition' or an enemy issue for most people looking to just enjoy everything.

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Posted 08 April 2013 - 02:54 AM

A majority (>50%) of the sailors being native born should satisfy most everybody's nationalistic lusts without too big a hurt on the rest of things.

But like RC suggested in this week's interview, the Keep It In SF/USA factor could be big regardless the honorary American guns Larry hires. Nobody here hates Ozzies, NZers, Brits, etc. It's just not a 'competition' or an enemy issue for most people looking to just enjoy everything.

 

Keep it in SF/USA factor???

 

What was that reference? Maybe I missed that interview?



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Posted 08 April 2013 - 04:19 AM

Didn't PC sail for an Italian team previously ?

PC was one of the earliest and higher profile players in the " nationality of convenience " game. Yes he was " Italian " for awhile there .



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:05 AM

They sorted that spelling on the building out yet?

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:16 PM

Really good interview with Max Sirena.

He pulls no punches!!!!

 

http://www.vsail.inf...-to-vsail-info/

 

Some snippets:

 

VSail.info: You are probably the best suited to assess Team New Zealand since you have sailed against them. Do you have any assessment of the other two teams, Oracle and Artemis?
Max Sirena: At the end, Oracle will be competitive just for the simple fact they have unlimited resources and more time available than the challengers. These are their biggest advantages. I don’t know about Artemis, they are an unknown for everybody. According to some rumors they will launch their second boat at the end of May, beginning of June, so we will have to wait and see what they have. However, there is no doubt they made a blunder with their first boat.

 

VSail.info: Shorter term, I suppose you will use the Naples event as the last training opportunity on the AC45′s. Unlike Artemis and Oracle that send their B-teams or even C-teams, you will have your two full crews with Draper and Bruni.
Max Sirena: Yes and this is another of these things that I don’t know how to express politely. Once again, Artemis and Oracle act like buffoons because up to a few months ago they were the ones promoting these events, even for the future



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:35 PM

VSail.info: Why didn’t you want to communicate? After all, if you achieve more than you plan, it is a positive message.

Max Sirena: It was my own, personal request. I wanted the team to work relaxed, without too many media distractions. It’s my personal philosophy, I’d rather have the media talk about us when we win our races. I don’t want to communicate drivel every day, the way our friends are doing.

 

VSail.info: Isn’t that “drivel”, as you call it, also part of marketing? You have the luxury of having Patrizio Bertelli funding the team so you probably don’t feel any marketing pressure.

Max Sirena: That’s true, that’s a major advantage we have compared to the other teams. The fact our main sponsor is also the owner of the team allows us the liberty to adopt such a low-profile communications policy. However, and this is my own personal opinion, people aren’t interested in reading every day on Facebook whether you played frisbee or whether you bought a nice truck. This is a bit pitiful.

 

:lol: :lol:

 

Good questions from VS



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:36 PM

Really good interview with Max Sirena.

He pulls no punches!!!!

 

http://www.vsail.inf...-to-vsail-info/

 

Some snippets:

 

VSail.info: You are probably the best suited to assess Team New Zealand since you have sailed against them. Do you have any assessment of the other two teams, Oracle and Artemis?
Max Sirena: At the end, Oracle will be competitive just for the simple fact they have unlimited resources and more time available than the challengers. These are their biggest advantages. I don’t know about Artemis, they are an unknown for everybody. According to some rumors they will launch their second boat at the end of May, beginning of June, so we will have to wait and see what they have. However, there is no doubt they made a blunder with their first boat.

 

VSail.info: Shorter term, I suppose you will use the Naples event as the last training opportunity on the AC45′s. Unlike Artemis and Oracle that send their B-teams or even C-teams, you will have your two full crews with Draper and Bruni.
Max Sirena: Yes and this is another of these things that I don’t know how to express politely. Once again, Artemis and Oracle act like buffoons because up to a few months ago they were the ones promoting these events, even for the future

 

Max was classic in this, certainly not holding anything back:

 

VSail.info: Isn’t that “drivel”, as you call it, also part of marketing? You have the luxury of having Patrizio Bertelli funding the team so you probably don’t feel any marketing pressure.
Max Sirena: That’s true, that’s a major advantage we have compared to the other teams. The fact our main sponsor is also the owner of the team allows us the liberty to adopt such a low-profile communications policy. However, and this is my own personal opinion, people aren’t interested in reading every day on Facebook whether you played frisbee or whether you bought a nice truck. This is a bit pitiful. On the other hand, obviously, we can’t put on the internet the videos of what we have been doing and testing on the boat every day. This is why we decided at the end of our period in Auckland to publish the video of our last day of sailing, to show that we are here and we are working hard.



Nav, you beat me to it by mere seconds.



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:37 PM

Buffoons, that the exact term! Like the ex-president Berlusconi....  a good pair of buffoons! Thhey just dont merit anyhow to win this cup! Go Luna Rossa/ETNZ! Show them what sailors are!



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 08:52 PM

Whilst I still think the Mike Drummond interview was the most informative, this one is certainly the most entertaining!



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 09:10 PM

Lol .. big dilemma for ACalphabet now: either they let "buffoons" stand, and implicitly endorse it - or they throw the Dalton Muzzle Amendment at Max .. don't think they'd dare

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:09 PM

Well he is spot on about the 45s.
What can they actually trial him for?!!

The whole Nascar/F1 thing RC talked up, sailors being personalities etc, and arguably the biggest recognisable personality of this cup - James Spithill - won't be at their pet 45 event. It wouldn't even be on if it wasn't for contracts.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:30 PM

Very encouraging interview. Max sounds plenty confident with the LR program so far, and for their prospects over the next few months.

Good Q's and A's

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:35 PM

Well he is spot on about the 45s.
What can they actually trial him for?!!

The whole Nascar/F1 thing RC talked up, sailors being personalities etc, and arguably the biggest recognisable personality of this cup - James Spithill - won't be at their pet 45 event. It wouldn't even be on if it wasn't for contracts.

Dalton said last week his A team would not have been going to this last event either, if the AC72 were not in transit. He understands it.

BAR's entry will have only one new face, the bowman; that could be a still-formidable team. Slingsby's too.

MaX S claims to not care about PR but I bet they try hard to win Naples again.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 10:42 PM

I'm glad it worked out as it did for Slingsby - more than deserves it, and should win it.

 

However branding - OR4 is Spithill, OR5 is Coutts.  

Neither will be at the event.

BAR to outsiders has nothing to do with OR.

 

Haven't seen the jury requests for excuses to sail the 72s yet...



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:25 PM

Good interview and honest answers by Max. A couple of hypotheticals..

 

1: They've got only 14 sailors, so only 3 reserves. If they lose sailors to injuries, sickness, family emergencies etc, it looks like they would be able to secure sailors from ETNZ as a logical source.

 

2: If LR were to damage their boat, ETNZ could conceivably lend them their B1 as there doesn't appear to be anything restricting it.

 

AR must be dreading being DP'ed by the ETNZ-LR gangbangers during the 21-race testing phase of LVC  :)



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:34 PM

Good interview and honest answers by Max. A couple of hypotheticals..
 
1: They've got only 14 sailors, so only 3 reserves. If they lose sailors to injuries, sickness, family emergencies etc, it looks like they would be able to secure sailors from ETNZ as a logical source.
 
2: If LR were to damage their boat, ETNZ could conceivably lend them their B1 as there doesn't appear to be anything restricting it.
  .. :)

Why on earth would GD help anyone, especially a team with bloodlines so competitively close to his own?

Not buying it.

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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:40 PM

Good interview and honest answers by Max. A couple of hypotheticals..
 
1: They've got only 14 sailors, so only 3 reserves. If they lose sailors to injuries, sickness, family emergencies etc, it looks like they would be able to secure sailors from ETNZ as a logical source.
 
2: If LR were to damage their boat, ETNZ could conceivably lend them their B1 as there doesn't appear to be anything restricting it.
  .. :)

Why on earth would GD help anyone, especially a team with bloodlines so competitively close to his own?

Not buying it.

 

Actually CiC kinda prohibits this.

Additionally, there would be some serious questions asked if LR were even allowed to train with boat 1, since this would represent transfer of intellectual property past the 31 December cut off point, since the LR guys could look at all the systems ETNZ put in place post this date.

 

So I agree with you Stinger, although for differing reasons.



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:45 PM

Good interview and honest answers by Max. A couple of hypotheticals..
 
1: They've got only 14 sailors, so only 3 reserves. If they lose sailors to injuries, sickness, family emergencies etc, it looks like they would be able to secure sailors from ETNZ as a logical source.
 
2: If LR were to damage their boat, ETNZ could conceivably lend them their B1 as there doesn't appear to be anything restricting it.
  .. :)

Why on earth would GD help anyone, especially a team with bloodlines so competitively close to his own?

Not buying it.

 

You are not buying anything unless you can spin it up as good for OR or the alphabet....

 

LR and TNZ are going to help each other to get the cup from lazza and russ.....just like or and artemis are going to help each other to stop them doing it...



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:49 PM

Very encouraging interview. Max sounds plenty confident with the LR program so far, and for their prospects over the next few months.

Good Q's and A's

 Nice spin but you forgot to mention how he slags off your heros and the alphabet....and the wsl of the world... 



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:52 PM

Go Max - Spin Free Zone!



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Posted 09 April 2013 - 11:53 PM


LR and TNZ are going to help each other to get the cup from lazza and russ

Damn, you actually contributed a thought worth considering, finally.

But I still can't see GD letting his few/precious extra guys risk getting hurt to help LR; and obviously LR can't use NZ built hulls in the Match.

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 12:09 AM

Protocol can be amended by majority agreement of the Competitor Forum. Depending on how LR goes in Naples, they could end seeded 1st, AR second and ETNZ last in the LVC. This then means ETNZ will need to beat out AR in the 21 RR races (and sandbag against LR) to get into the final against LR - and become CoR and gain the majority they need to amend the Protocol  :).

 

Easy...



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 12:27 AM

... Amend the Protocol to what end?

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 12:38 AM

^^ I wonder if either AR or LR will be drilling any well placed holes in the shared walls between the two bases? :ph34r:


I thought the exact same thing when I saw the above picture. Funny...

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 12:57 AM

Protocol can be amended by majority agreement of the Competitor Forum. Depending on how LR goes in Naples, they could end seeded 1st, AR second and ETNZ last in the LVC. This then means ETNZ will need to beat out AR in the 21 RR races (and sandbag against LR) to get into the final against LR - and become CoR and gain the majority they need to amend the Protocol  :).

 

Easy...

 

 

Hmmm, this is kinda conspiracy theory in reverse.

Burn the witches, burn ALL the witches!



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:01 AM

... Amend the Protocol to what end?

CIC...in reply to Jaysper's post 1776. Jeez, keep up..... :wacko:



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:04 AM

... Amend the Protocol to what end?

CIC...in reply to Jaysper's post 1776. Jeez, keep up..... :wacko:

 

 

If OR/AR did this to their benefit I would scream blue bloody murder and I am sure you would too.

 

Doing such a thing would be totally immoral and I don't believe that ETNZ/LR would contemplate doing this for a second.

If they did, I suspect they would lose a lot of supporters, myself included.



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:06 AM

Protocol can be amended by majority agreement of the Competitor Forum. Depending on how LR goes in Naples, they could end seeded 1st, AR second and ETNZ last in the LVC. This then means ETNZ will need to beat out AR in the 21 RR races (and sandbag against LR) to get into the final against LR - and become CoR and gain the majority they need to amend the Protocol  :).

 

Easy...

 

 

Hmmm, this is kinda conspiracy theory in reverse.

Burn the witches, burn ALL the witches!

Nothing conspiratorial about it: perfectly viable process. CIC can be changed via an amendment to the Protocol which can be done with the majority decision of the Competitors' Forum (of 4, for now): without AR, ETNZ-LR control it. and when AR gets knocked out in the LVC RR, ETNZ becomes CoR.

 

What's so hard to understand in that?!?



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:11 AM

 

... Amend the Protocol to what end?

CIC...in reply to Jaysper's post 1776. Jeez, keep up..... :wacko:

 

 

If OR/AR did this to their benefit I would scream blue bloody murder and I am sure you would too.

 

Doing such a thing would be totally immoral and I don't believe that ETNZ/LR would contemplate doing this for a second.

If they did, I suspect they would lose a lot of supporters, myself included.

You'd be no loss to the effort. It's the AC, it's in the rules, perfectly legitimate tactic. I'd have no problem if AR-OR tried to do it: in fact, I'd expect them to do it if they could. But the weaker link in that civil union is AR, so they're unlikely to be in a position to control anything compared to ETNZ-LR.



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:15 AM

 

Protocol can be amended by majority agreement of the Competitor Forum. Depending on how LR goes in Naples, they could end seeded 1st, AR second and ETNZ last in the LVC. This then means ETNZ will need to beat out AR in the 21 RR races (and sandbag against LR) to get into the final against LR - and become CoR and gain the majority they need to amend the Protocol  :).

 

Easy...

 

 

Hmmm, this is kinda conspiracy theory in reverse.

Burn the witches, burn ALL the witches!

Nothing conspiratorial about it: perfectly viable process. CIC can be changed via an amendment to the Protocol which can be done with the majority decision of the Competitors' Forum (of 4, for now): without AR, ETNZ-LR control it. and when AR gets knocked out in the LVC RR, ETNZ becomes CoR.

 

What's so hard to understand in that?!?

 

Hmmm, a course of action doesn't need to be illegal to be a conspiracy.

You are suggesting that ETNZ/LR could or would conspire to achieve an outcome that would (by most people) be considered amoral and unconscionable.

So, in effect you are suggesting that ETNZ/LR are the potential conspirators rather than AR/OR who you normally target as being conspirators.

 

Hence the term "reverse conspiracy theory".



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:16 AM

 

 

... Amend the Protocol to what end?

CIC...in reply to Jaysper's post 1776. Jeez, keep up..... :wacko:

 

 

If OR/AR did this to their benefit I would scream blue bloody murder and I am sure you would too.

 

Doing such a thing would be totally immoral and I don't believe that ETNZ/LR would contemplate doing this for a second.

If they did, I suspect they would lose a lot of supporters, myself included.

You'd be no loss to the effort. It's the AC, it's in the rules, perfectly legitimate tactic. I'd have no problem if AR-OR tried to do it: in fact, I'd expect them to do it if they could. But the weaker link in that civil union is AR, so they're unlikely to be in a position to control anything compared to ETNZ-LR.

 

Well then, I suggest that your moral compass is out of alignment with the majority of ETNZ's supporters.



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:19 AM

 

 

Protocol can be amended by majority agreement of the Competitor Forum. Depending on how LR goes in Naples, they could end seeded 1st, AR second and ETNZ last in the LVC. This then means ETNZ will need to beat out AR in the 21 RR races (and sandbag against LR) to get into the final against LR - and become CoR and gain the majority they need to amend the Protocol  :).

 

Easy...

 

 

Hmmm, this is kinda conspiracy theory in reverse.

Burn the witches, burn ALL the witches!

Nothing conspiratorial about it: perfectly viable process. CIC can be changed via an amendment to the Protocol which can be done with the majority decision of the Competitors' Forum (of 4, for now): without AR, ETNZ-LR control it. and when AR gets knocked out in the LVC RR, ETNZ becomes CoR.

 

What's so hard to understand in that?!?

 

Hmmm, a course of action doesn't need to be illegal to be a conspiracy.

You are suggesting that ETNZ/LR could or would conspire to achieve an outcome that would (by most people) be considered amoral and unconscionable.

So, in effect you are suggesting that ETNZ/LR are the potential conspirators rather than AR/OR who you normally target as being conspirators.

 

Hence the term "reverse conspiracy theory".

No, I've outlined a course of action which is perfectly legal and acceptable, to address an issue you claimed could not be done - i.e. CIC, in relation to a hypothetical situation in which ETNZ might decide to lend LR their B1.

In the immortal words, AC is not tiddlywinks....



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:20 AM

 

 

 

... Amend the Protocol to what end?

CIC...in reply to Jaysper's post 1776. Jeez, keep up..... :wacko:

 

 

If OR/AR did this to their benefit I would scream blue bloody murder and I am sure you would too.

 

Doing such a thing would be totally immoral and I don't believe that ETNZ/LR would contemplate doing this for a second.

If they did, I suspect they would lose a lot of supporters, myself included.

You'd be no loss to the effort. It's the AC, it's in the rules, perfectly legitimate tactic. I'd have no problem if AR-OR tried to do it: in fact, I'd expect them to do it if they could. But the weaker link in that civil union is AR, so they're unlikely to be in a position to control anything compared to ETNZ-LR.

 

Well then, I suggest that your moral compass is out of alignment with the majority of ETNZ's supporters.

What a sanctimonious wanker!! What qualifies you to speak for the "majority of ETNZ supporters"?!?



#1793 jaysper

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:33 AM

What a sanctimonious wanker!! What qualifies you to speak for the "majority of ETNZ supporters"?!?

 

And welcome back Indio!

Looks like we are about 2 steps from your normally prejudicial slurs against pretty much any minority that pisses you off.

 

Have fun with your next time out, I'm sure it will be along shortly :)



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:55 AM

What a sanctimonious wanker!! What qualifies you to speak for the "majority of ETNZ supporters"?!?

 

And welcome back Indio!

Looks like we are about 2 steps from your normally prejudicial slurs against pretty much any minority that pisses you off.

 

Have fun with your next time out, I'm sure it will be along shortly :)

 

So are you going to join up with pious pete to get someone flicked because they disagree with your opinion?....pm ubertroll he will help you... 

 

You asked a question, he answered it with a theory that OR and AR would use in a heartbeat to win the AC... 



#1795 Indio

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 01:56 AM

What a sanctimonious wanker!! What qualifies you to speak for the "majority of ETNZ supporters"?!?

 

And welcome back Indio!

Looks like we are about 2 steps from your normally prejudicial slurs against pretty much any minority that pisses you off.

 

Have fun with your next time out, I'm sure it will be along shortly :)

You'd be in one of those minorities...why didn't you answer the question: What qualifies you to speak for the "majority of ETNZ supporters"?!?



#1796 ro!

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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:02 AM

 

What a sanctimonious wanker!! What qualifies you to speak for the "majority of ETNZ supporters"?!?

 

And welcome back Indio!

Looks like we are about 2 steps from your normally prejudicial slurs against pretty much any minority that pisses you off.

 

Have fun with your next time out, I'm sure it will be along shortly :)

You'd be in one of those minorities...why didn't you answer the question: What qualifies you to speak for the "majority of ETNZ supporters"?!?

 

Maybe he thinks 50 posts a day here qualifies him as the moral majority kiwi....



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 02:05 AM

 

What a sanctimonious wanker!! What qualifies you to speak for the "majority of ETNZ supporters"?!?

 

And welcome back Indio!

Looks like we are about 2 steps from your normally prejudicial slurs against pretty much any minority that pisses you off.

 

Have fun with your next time out, I'm sure it will be along shortly :)

You'd be in one of those minorities...why didn't you answer the question: What qualifies you to speak for the "majority of ETNZ supporters"?!?

 

Ok, so apparently English is your second language. The question remains therefore if you indeed have a "first language".

 

Firstly, I suggest you look up the definition of suggest. Nowhere in the definition will you find mentioned that it is an absolute assertion

 

Included here is part of the definition "to mention or introduce (an idea, proposition, plan, etc.) for consideration or possible action: The architect suggested that the building be restored."

 

Secondly, given that I am suggesting something rather than introducing an assertion or some statistical fact, there is no suggestion that I speak for the majority of ETNZ supporters.

 

What the sentence ACTUALLY MEANS (rather than the delusional meaning you inferred) is that I believe that most ETNZ supporters would disagree with you. Furthermore, I believe this STRONGLY.

 

 

If you would like any further lessons in English or even your first language, please just ask.



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:16 AM

 

 

What a sanctimonious wanker!! What qualifies you to speak for the "majority of ETNZ supporters"?!?

 

And welcome back Indio!

Looks like we are about 2 steps from your normally prejudicial slurs against pretty much any minority that pisses you off.

 

Have fun with your next time out, I'm sure it will be along shortly :)

You'd be in one of those minorities...why didn't you answer the question: What qualifies you to speak for the "majority of ETNZ supporters"?!?

 

Maybe he thinks 50 posts a day here qualifies him as the moral majority kiwi....

I think this twat likes reading his own posts...



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 03:27 AM

Just ignore it, Jays. It's not worth the aggravation.



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Posted 10 April 2013 - 06:55 AM

Just ignore it, Jays. It's not worth the aggravation.

 

 

Cheers, you are of course correct.

My bad for attempting to engage in intelligent conversation with him.






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