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[Foyle]

I'd really like to see more video and pics of LR, but for a campaign supposedly justified by advertising exposure they don't seem to be putting much effort into the media.

[Xlot]

Disclaimer: I have zero evidence supporting this, but ..

.. the thought has been nagging me: Persico's still got the hull molds, right?

Guess it all depends on the spirit of the campaign - LR wouldn't have hesitated if it had been full-on as in 2003, this time it might just be preparation for AC35

[masterbeam]

I guess due to the traffic on the bay the 72s dont go out.
So it looks like the NO was teaching Draper on the moth.
I miss playing mario kart back in the day.

[Monster Mash]

Luna Rossa is going out today

[MrSurly]

from yesterday:

 

 

[Tornado-Cat]

from yesterday:

 

Rock stable foiling. If they are fast they will be dangerous.

[jaysper]

from yesterday:

 

Rock stable foiling. If they are fast they will be dangerous.

 

Stable and nice manvoure.

But I think ETNZ will hand them their arses in a hat TC.

[Sailbydate]

from yesterday:

 

Rock stable foiling. If they are fast they will be dangerous.

Great vis, Mr Surly. Thanks.

[~Stingray~]

+1

Since flybes (great new Anarchy term, who was that coined it?) are so rare it helps to rate these maneuvers by how many seconds pass from FF'ing from one to the other, generally during a hot-up before they bear away. That there was what, about 12 seconds?

Very smooth, rock solid setup - they're looking good.

[Sailbydate]

+1

Since flybes (great new Anarchy term, who was that coined it?) are so rare it helps to rate these maneuvers by how many seconds pass from FF'ing from one to the other, generally during a hot-up before they bear away. That there was what, about 12 seconds?

Very smooth, rock solid setup - they're looking good.

I think Jays coined that one, IIRC. ETNZ are looking pretty sharp in that vid, but still room for improvement no doubt.

[jaysper]

+1

Since flybes (great new Anarchy term, who was that coined it?) are so rare it helps to rate these maneuvers by how many seconds pass from FF'ing from one to the other, generally during a hot-up before they bear away. That there was what, about 12 seconds?

Very smooth, rock solid setup - they're looking good.

 

Fybes was one of mine. Am hoping we will get to see some facking as well

 

Still doesn't compare to the genius of whoever coined the term "4xfoiling"

[eric e]

you've sure got a good position there surly

 

they seem to need quite a bit of space after the bear-away

 

to S their back back up on the foil

 

if you're not first to the top mark it might be hard to find the space

 

esp.

 

if the boat that got to the top mark first

 

does a big belly flop in front of you... 

 

search for flybe

 

shows yesterday

 

post #685 of san fran bay spotting

[Tornado-Cat]

 

from yesterday:

 

Rock stable foiling. If they are fast they will be dangerous.

 

Stable and nice manvoure.

But I think ETNZ will hand them their arses in a hat TC.

TNZ was faster in NZ, however the wind is tricky in the bay and both hulls falling in the water cost a lot.

 

Stability could prove more important than expected and....I would not hate to see the Italians win the Cup

[jaysper]

 

 

from yesterday:

 

Rock stable foiling. If they are fast they will be dangerous.

 

Stable and nice manvoure.

But I think ETNZ will hand them their arses in a hat TC.

TNZ was faster in NZ, however the wind is tricky in the bay and both hulls falling in the water cost a lot.

 

Stability could prove more important than expected and....I would not hate to see the Italians win the Cup

 

I wouldn't hate them to win the cup either, the Italians are awesome.

 

I just don't believe they can do it because ETNZ has a 2nd gen boat with possibly mroe mods to come.

Plus they have a full design team, which does not.

[Boybland]

 

 

from yesterday:

 

Rock stable foiling. If they are fast they will be dangerous.

 

Stable and nice manvoure.

But I think ETNZ will hand them their arses in a hat TC.

TNZ was faster in NZ, however the wind is tricky in the bay and both hulls falling in the water cost a lot.

 

Stability could prove more important than expected and....I would not hate to see the Italians win the Cup

They were faster in NZ even on the days where the wind was tricky and shifty as well.

Besides ETNZ also have plenty of alternative foils including stability v speed ones and should be able to mode exactly the same way plus still have the benefit of the other changes they made on boat 2 should they desire to do so.

There is always the possibility they might have found a solution that ETNZ have not though that is both fast and stable.

 

I don't think anyone would hate to see the Italians to win the cup to be honest once they got over the hurt of their own team not doing so.

[jaysper]

^

Whilst I will be glued to the interweb for the racing and will find it all very exciting, in some ways this will be a very boring LVC.

I expect that ETNZ will hammer LR who will in turn hammer AR (I know SWS, we disagree on this).

 

If this is the case, then there will be little excitement about the outcome of the racing.

[Kiwing]

Hey I think the races will be for TV.

AR first for semies (story book)

Lr second for semies

ET third for semies. (just)

 

Then ET will beat AR, and ET will beat LR (hopefully to become the challenger.

[nroose]

Nice video Surly.  And nice stabilization!  Thanks!

[uflux]

That trainer wheel of an excuse for a foil look super draggy!!! Like they put the brakes on after the gybe...

[Xlot]

Are they (ETNZ) sailing with two different boards to see which works best or is this actually their race setup?
Having more curve on starboard tack might be useful to get foiling quicker on the short reach after the start (although possible sacrificing a little bit of upwind performance on that tack).

Not LR's case - but then new boards are expected any day now

[Xlot]

It's funny to observe though that exactly six years ago, during the Louis Vuitton Cup semifinals in Valencia, America's Cup sailors were, mostly, wearing shorts and t-shirts and the only head protection they needed was a cap.
 

Nice bus at rush hour ..

Coincidence: just back from Naples - a friend is racing his 28er in the Italian Championship [wish they had run the ACWS yesterday, 30kts gusts] - and one of the ML V5s was sitting on the hard. In all fairness (yeah, right) it looked so quaint - and so would any TP52ish candidate to replace the AC72, wrong boat as it is. It seems to me foiling, winged multis are here to stay and the challenge is making them safe and entertaining in match racing.

[Rohanoz]

It's funny to observe though that exactly six years ago, during the Louis Vuitton Cup semifinals in Valencia, America's Cup sailors were, mostly, wearing shorts and t-shirts and the only head protection they needed was a cap.
 

Nice bus at rush hour ..

All that crew and still no-one appears to be steering?!!

[Koukel]

Beautiful gybe.  This looks super fast.  What other boat over 50 feet can come back up to speed this fast?  I know ACC yachts kept their momentum through the turns, but in a good gybe on a 72 the power is turned on so fast its hard to tell when the boat actually comes through the wind.

 

Does the term fybe seem lame to anyone else? 

 

What would really be fun is to see some of you people with oh-so many opinions have an opinion on how good a poster you are.  Are you right most of the time?  For some of you posters to imagine you're right 70% of the time on this site would be generous. 

 

What if three out of every ten things you said to your kids was wrong?  They'd think you were a fool by six years old.  

 

Koukel

 

 

from yesterday:

 

 

[Xlot]

All that crew and still no-one appears to be steering?!!

That's the Italian way (unless of course it's two people at the same time steering in opposite directions)

[~Stingray~]

'Sausalito'?? Anyway, despite the misprint, some nice photos at the link.
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The Italian challenger, Luna Rossa, has moved its AC72 across the Bay from a temporary base in Sausalito.

On a breezy Monday, the team trained in the morning south of the Bay Bridge before coming in to its base at Piers 30/32, where the team will host its technical operations this summer.

The new base in the city is adjacent to fellow challenger Emirates Team New Zealand.

Artemis Racing will remain in Sausalito, while ORACLE TEAM USA is maintaining its technical base of operations further south at Pier 80.

http://m.americascup...n-san-francisco

[Monster Mash]

That was short but sweet.

If given the chance you gotta see that boat live.

[ncs]

'Sausalito'?? Anyway, despite the misprint, some nice photos at the link.
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The Italian challenger, Luna Rossa, has moved its AC72 across the Bay from a temporary base in Sausalito.

 

Southbeachito?

 

[jaysper]

Beautiful gybe.  This looks super fast.  What other boat over 50 feet can come back up to speed this fast?  I know ACC yachts kept their momentum through the turns, but in a good gybe on a 72 the power is turned on so fast its hard to tell when the boat actually comes through the wind.

 

Does the term fybe seem lame to anyone else? 

 

What would really be fun is to see some of you people with oh-so many opinions have an opinion on how good a poster you are.  Are you right most of the time?  For some of you posters to imagine you're right 70% of the time on this site would be generous. 

 

What if three out of every ten things you said to your kids was wrong?  They'd think you were a fool by six years old.  

 

Koukel

 

I maintain steadfastly that its too damned hard to guage how fast these things are actually travelling without having two or more of them side by side.

Currently we have every man and his dog suggesting that ETNZ is a LOT slower than OR in a straight line and who knows, maybe they are right. But I don't find the statement of "shit OR looks faster to my eyeball" to be compelling evidence.

 

We have some evidence that AR is slow compared to OR, although the boat in question is gone now.

We have some evidence that LR is slow compared to ETNZ, however LR have just undergone some mods.

But not much else.

 

I'm not wanting to stop every man and his dog speculating, cos its fun to do and to read.

But I will continue to garnish all such speculations with a grain of salt.

[icupusa]

City of Alameda seems to have vanished over night, No worries Sausalito must be very happy. Tourist will flock to see a base that doesn't
exist. But the good news is theres a New Little Italy in town South Beach to be exact . Piers 30-32 I agree its a typo except the fact is repeated twice . Perhaps theres plans for Artemis to stage something. Highly unlikely but at this point would anyone be surprised at this point . All three challengers were to be in San Francisco . Certainly spreads the average tourist coming to see the Cup a little thin. Perhaps we are seeing a down sizing for the Challenger of record . It must be all hands on deck in the hanger over there in Alameda oh sorry Sausalito .

 

Perhaps GD was right 

 

[SWENZ]

from yesterday:

 

Interested in comments about the foil deployment in this video. 1st gen foil.

Does the twist in the foil, adjust the pitch/angle or is it the viewing angle or the foil housing being adjusted?

The retraction of the foil pole is impressive.

Do all foils have the pulley system above the foil as this one does? is it to adjust the foil using the twist?

[Barnyb]

 

Sail Revolution

Tritium had a little multi company out on The Bay today!

 

 

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[Terry Hollis]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Brad Butterworth: Simpson unacceptable death

 

" You have a team favorite? "I think back to a Cup more 'friendly' this should be back in New Zealand or arrive in Italy at all like challenge, indeed the dream including myself, Luna Rossa in Italy. They are all sure that it is Emirates Team New Zealand would know Luna Rossa is a change in a positive way. But I believe that Oracle has done a great job and that the package boat - wing is fantastic and superior to other boats and I fear that it will be really hard to beat.If Oracle wins I think we will see in the next edition but still cat foiling of 50 feet. "

 

I put this in the Luna Rossa thread because it is Italian .. read the rest here ..

 

http://www.thesailin...-inaccettabile/

 

[~Stingray~]

^ the g-tran: http://translate.goo...KTyBzgXwqLvUihw

[WetHog]

^ the g-tran: http://translate.goo...KTyBzgXwqLvUihw

 

 

BB's likes fancy cars, roadhead, stone walls and sail boats with 1 hull. Seems clear he is pulling for either ETNZ or ETNZ-LR to win so the AC can go back to mono-hulls because he made it obvious during AC33 that he is no fan of multi-hulls. Thats all I got out of that article.

 

WetHog 

[nav]

+1

Since flybes (great new Anarchy term, who was that coined it?) are so rare it helps to rate these maneuvers by how many seconds pass from FF'ing from one to the other, generally during a hot-up before they bear away. That there was what, about 12 seconds?

Very smooth, rock solid setup - they're looking good.

 

Fybes was one of mine. Am hoping we will get to see some facking as well

 

Still doesn't compare to the genius of whoever coined the term "4xfoiling"

 

that was mine
 

[nav]

 

Luna Rossa at Pier 30/32.. http://photo.america...1,12,en,f1.html

[KiwiJoker]

 

Luna Rossa at Pier 30/32.. http://photo.america...1,12,en,f1.html

 

I see access to hi res files on this official AC site is restricted to publishing professionals only.  

 

Understandable, but surely someone in SA management or from amongst our ranks can arrange accreditation for you. 

 

You're doing yeoman work uploading pix from ETNZ.  

 

We deserve similar access to americascup.com.

[~Stingray~]

Nav already has that accreditation, I think.

I kow I do, starting since applying at least two years ago and receiving approval. maybe things have tightened up since then?

[jaysper]

 

+1

Since flybes (great new Anarchy term, who was that coined it?) are so rare it helps to rate these maneuvers by how many seconds pass from FF'ing from one to the other, generally during a hot-up before they bear away. That there was what, about 12 seconds?

Very smooth, rock solid setup - they're looking good.

 

Fybes was one of mine. Am hoping we will get to see some facking as well

 

Still doesn't compare to the genius of whoever coined the term "4xfoiling"

 

that was mine
 

 

Well done that man!

It hasn't had quite the longevity of fybing ever since OR (kinda) figure out how to do it, but is sure is a hell of a lot funnier! 

Actually, it could make a comeback if AR ever actually launch

[nav]

 

Luna Rossa at Pier 30/32.. http://photo.america...1,12,en,f1.html

 

I see access to hi res files on this official AC site is restricted to publishing professionals only.  

 

Understandable, but surely someone in SA management or from amongst our ranks can arrange accreditation for you. 

 

You're doing yeoman work uploading pix from ETNZ.  

 

We deserve similar access to americascup.com.

 

Yeah KJ, I have also had that accreditation for a long time. Before the teams got their PR acts together (well some of them have) this site was my main source of good shots. I still use it but it's a lot more hassle to use than to take the shots directly from the team websites if they are offered there. (note that many/most of the shots available on the AC site are from the team photographers)

 

In the post above I just wanted to draw peoples attention to the many shots available there - partly through laziness and partly due to criticism of 'C&Ping other peoples work', I didn't bother this time to review, select, download, upload to a hosting site and then post the new links for the shots so they would show here (adding of course the ©, the owner, the photographers attribution/s and terms of use)

 

Some people prefer just reading and typing anyway.
 

[ita289]

Hi all

 

From what has been posted in the Alameda thread it seems LR should almost be ready to test the new wing, right?

Anyone has any news from inside the shed to let us know if/when new foils are expected?

 

By the way, in general I don't mind the scarce news/media from the team we had so far, as I take it as a sign that they are fully focused on doing their homework well and getting ready to be fully competitive. I like this pragmatic and "low profile" attitude because it contradicts all stereotypes on us Italians. However, maybe now that this lady is on board we'll see more info released?

 

Cheers

[nav]

Thanks for the update - hopefully once she is onsite LR will start cranking out the news. What better way for Giordana to get to know the team than to interview them all and publish the results!

[Monster Mash]

Hi all

 

From what has been posted in the Alameda thread it seems LR should almost be ready to test the new wing, right?

Anyone has any news from inside the shed to let us know if/when new foils are expected?

 

By the way, in general I don't mind the scarce news/media from the team we had so far, as I take it as a sign that they are fully focused on doing their homework well and getting ready to be fully competitive. I like this pragmatic and "low profile" attitude because it contradicts all stereotypes on us Italians. However, maybe now that this lady is on board we'll see more info released?

 

Cheers

They've still got a way to go with the wing

Pic taken yesterday

 

[KiwiJoker]

 

 

Luna Rossa at Pier 30/32.. http://photo.america...1,12,en,f1.html

 

I see access to hi res files on this official AC site is restricted to publishing professionals only.  

 

Understandable, but surely someone in SA management or from amongst our ranks can arrange accreditation for you. 

 

You're doing yeoman work uploading pix from ETNZ.  

 

We deserve similar access to americascup.com.

 

Yeah KJ, I have also had that accreditation for a long time. Before the teams got their PR acts together (well some of them have) this site was my main source of good shots. I still use it but it's a lot more hassle to use than to take the shots directly from the team websites if they are offered there. (note that many/most of the shots available on the AC site are from the team photographers)

 

In the post above I just wanted to draw peoples attention to the many shots available there - partly through laziness and partly due to criticism of 'C&Ping other peoples work', I didn't bother this time to review, select, download, upload to a hosting site and then post the new links for the shots so they would show here (adding of course the ©, the owner, the photographers attribution/s and terms of use)

 

Some people prefer just reading and typing anyway.
 

 

 

Thanks Nav.  You've confirmed what I was guessing.   There are rich deposits for mining if you have the necessary accreditation. Yes it's a ton of work, and pro bono work at that, retrieving and reposting.  

 

Yet I know a lot of folks here appreciate your efforts. I certainly do. And I'd love to see more, having viewed the thumbnails.

 

Is your accreditation for Sailing Anarchy?  If so, perhaps there's a duty that goes with it to show us some of the other stuff that's out there (nudge, nudge, wink, wink!).

 

Hey Stinger!  How about a few downloads and posts?

 

Of course, this would be a logical assignment for Clean but we might have to wait days, weeks or months before seeing anything.

 

Or perhaps we can get multiple accreditations for SA.  Perhaps one of our Italian members could keep broaden our coverage of Luna Rossa,  with a nod to MM of course.

[Kiwing]

I think MM will have to introduce himself to "this Lady" if he has not already done so.

 

ita you could make MM's day.

[Monster Mash]

Hi all

 

From what has been posted in the Alameda thread it seems LR should almost be ready to test the new wing, right?

Anyone has any news from inside the shed to let us know if/when new foils are expected?

 

By the way, in general I don't mind the scarce news/media from the team we had so far, as I take it as a sign that they are fully focused on doing their homework well and getting ready to be fully competitive. I like this pragmatic and "low profile" attitude because it contradicts all stereotypes on us Italians. However, maybe now that this lady is on board we'll see more info released?

 

Cheers

They've still got a way to go with the wing

Pic taken yesterday

 

I posted this over in AC in Alameda but perhaps it belongs here.

 

_{Update on LR W2.}

 

_{The wing has a ways to go. They've painted the leading edge red but it doesn't appear to be fully skinned yet.}

_{The lower two aft flapperons (?) are shrink wraped but they have not been shrunk yet.}

_{There is what appears to be an oven for curing Leading Edge  D sections.  It looks like they are built of Kevlar.}

_{The receptionists office is not up to Italian standards.  It's minimal at best and all white. Very sterile looking.}

_{They do appear to be a happy crew.}

 

[Kiwing]

MM does this have Giordana's blessing or haven't you met her yet? or are you staying clear just in case she wants to censor your camera?

 

Once again I want to thank you for your low key but pertinent posts.

[The Sailing Times]

The auto translation of my article is really unreadable... sorry for that

[~Stingray~]

Paging Xlot to the white courtesy phone..

Anyone, is this accurate? Says it's the first shot of LR's Wing 2?

http://americascup.t...igger-at-top-of

[Terry Hollis]

With this demand about the dagger board controls it begs the question .. what kind of penalty will they give if a team refuses to comply ??

[~Stingray~]

^

[Monster Mash]

Paging Xlot to the white courtesy phone..

Anyone, is this accurate? Says it's the first shot of LR's Wing 2?

http://americascup.t...igger-at-top-of

 

Doubt it.  I saw W2 yesterday and it was close but still not finished.

See post #227 in AC in Alameda.