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#401 Offshore 1

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 01:50 AM




Is this likely due to the separation of Skipper and Helm roles on LR? If Max is skippering from elsewhere on board does this mean the helm doesn't get to see all of the added info? Wouldn't you want the helm informed anyway?

Or, does it get bolted on later? Did ETNZ have theirs fitted on launch day?


Nope, the dash was a later addition AFAIK.

What 'added info' by the way? Have you seen the displays? I have seen shots that show the dash and it appears to have a few buttons, but nothing I've seen yet shows any 'info' - perfectly likely though. Note that JS gets his data (or shopping lists?) via wrist-tablet.



My understanding is that the boats are the same excluding jibs, genekers, foils and colour scheme. The platform and wings are the same. This was set in place on purpose so the two boats can compare performance over the next few months. So whilst there may be cosmetic differences the areas where performance improvements can be made (foils, and sails...) can be tested in an effectual 2 boat campaign (although no data exchange will take place)with the results being interprested by the individual teams and then converted into the best setup.


What about the 'fuel fill' on LR?


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:49 AM

Dont see an extra coffee grinder to etnz,
The finns in the sidedeck are the same 238mm high
And as for the extra winch, you are looking at a coil of rope sitting on another coil of rope sitting on the deck

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:57 AM

What about the 'fuel fill' on LR?


I think you'll find that the 'fuel fill' has since been covered up and is now hidden from view. It is probably idenical to the ETNZ one only the ETNZ one was already covered up before anyone got a chance to photograph it up this close.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 10:56 AM

The finns in the sidedeck are the same 238mm high

Thats a surprisingly specific number, do you happen to have any others? :huh:

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:37 AM

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:06 PM

^^
Great cartoon, thanks F18.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:15 PM

No Yoga?

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:50 PM

Worth another look.. (click to enbiggen)

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Missing dash and the 'fuel fill' is all I'm seeing now that looks 'other'. Does LR have the exposed rudder quadrant though?

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 08:33 PM

^
Tapered winch bases (more foot room) and access cover over fuel fillers.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 09:15 PM

grinder peds look a little slimmer?

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:16 PM

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Cartoon by http://www.monsta.co.nz/ :-)


Whats in the rear view mirror?

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:46 PM

^
looks like a pic of auckland's skytower

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:01 AM

This.

edit: In fact it is this picture in the wing mirror.

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#414 Indio

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:14 AM


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Whats in the rear view mirror?

This guy is quite good - wasn't he the same guy who did Alinghi cartoons during AC32?

#415 Hastings

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:21 AM

Wasn't he the same guy who did Alinghi cartoons during AC32?


UBS is in big shit. Laying off many employees.

Is Ernesto still on the UBS board?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:29 AM


Wasn't he the same guy who did Alinghi cartoons during AC32?


UBS is in big shit. Laying off many employees.

Is Ernesto still on the UBS board?


Yea... they are the only bank in the world laying off employees in the last few years....they still show up on the billboards at every F1 race so they still have a few sheckels left ..

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:46 AM



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Cartoon by http://www.monsta.co.nz/ :-)


Whats in the rear view mirror?

This guy is quite good - wasn't he the same guy who did Alinghi cartoons during AC32?

Yes.

Good one.

#418 ~Stingray~

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:21 AM

Carlo B photo
http://m.facebook.co.../photo.php&_rdr

That damn boat really is stunning.

Will be extremely photogenic when sailing too, starting.. tomorrow?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:30 AM

If TNZ- LR (or OR) hired marked O'Brien, w'll have lots of fun ! :D :lol: :D

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:51 AM

This.

edit: In fact it is this picture in the wing mirror.

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Could be this one too...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/terryhollis/6978594155/in/photostream/lightbox/

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:29 AM

Clever^

But like someone suggested - that rearview mirror could be fun to get imaginative with

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:36 AM

Terry did you take the mirror picture ? not sure but it would be amusing.

#423 Terry Hollis

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:41 AM

Terry did you take the mirror picture ? not sure but it would be amusing.


No .. it's not one of mine ..

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:42 AM


Terry did you take the mirror picture ? not sure but it would be amusing.


No .. it's not one of mine ..

Whatever, congratulations for your nice pictures. Canonian ? Nikonian ?

#425 Terry Hollis

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:48 AM



Terry did you take the mirror picture ? not sure but it would be amusing.


No .. it's not one of mine ..

Whatever, congratulations for your nice pictures. Canonian ? Nikonian ?


Nikon Canon until about two years ago .. these days it's mostly a Sony dSLT ..

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:50 AM




Terry did you take the mirror picture ? not sure but it would be amusing.


No .. it's not one of mine ..

Whatever, congratulations for your nice pictures. Canonian ? Nikonian ?


Nikon Canon until about two years ago .. these days it's mostly a Sony dSLT ..

Sony is doing best captors now. I'm a a previous Nikonian, now Canonian, thinking of the 1DX.
(end of the hijack)

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:55 AM

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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:56 AM


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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

Photoshopped :lol:

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:58 AM



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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

Photoshopped :lol:

:D :D

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:19 AM

They look Nikonian

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:22 AM

Don't know about size, seems similar to me, maybe a bit bigger.
But the rudder seems vertical vs the hull being angled out :huh:

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:25 AM

They look Nikonian

We should ask Simon :D

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:27 AM

Still no sign of them on the water today :(
Maybe tomorrow?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:29 AM



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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

Photoshopped :lol:


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What do you think ?

#435 Barnyb

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:25 AM

Don't know about size, seems similar to me, maybe a bit bigger.
But the rudder seems vertical vs the hull being angled out :huh:


Being fitted can compare to a 5'10" Italian

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:35 AM


Don't know about size, seems similar to me, maybe a bit bigger.
But the rudder seems vertical vs the hull being angled out :huh:


Being fitted can compare to a 5'10" Italian

SL33 in background

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:05 AM




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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?


Don't forget no component on the AC72 can exceed max beam so that limits the size of the 'T' foils on the rudder. OR 's rudders cant outboard so the outboard tip of the 'T' will hit max beam earlier than the vertical rudders of TNZ or LR.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:19 AM

Another difference between TNZ and LR.

TNZ do not I believe have one of these!

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#439 tomtom

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:36 AM


Wasn't he the same guy who did Alinghi cartoons during AC32?


UBS is in big shit. Laying off many employees.

Is Ernesto still on the UBS board?

FFS you're a retarded moron. As the whole fucking SA and the world knows for a fucking long time, he is not, hasn't been for years. And who the fuck cares. A simple referral back to Alinghi cartoons - which was a fucking cool sailing,marketing and branding team BTW- and you drag up shit like that.

Should we drag up that Oracle files stupid lawsuits, is sued by the US government for overcharging, and has laid off thousands of ex-Sun employees every time Oracle is mentioned? (And is Ellison still on the board, nay, owns, Oracle? Doh - Stupid)

Of course no one does, because that would be an arse curdling stupid thing to do.
Get a grip, a life and some perspective.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:44 AM

Another difference between TNZ and LR.

TNZ do not I believe have one of these!

But I would have thought that they would use an Italian make slicer, not a Dutch one :) - not that I am not a little bit proud of that as a CCC (card carrying cloggie): some Dutchness on the seriously cool LR team.

f Italy spend as much time, effort and skill on their economy and their country as they do on their boats, cars, fashion and food, they could be world beaters. (Of course they will reply; "what else is there besides boats, cars, fashion and food?" - and they would not be far wrong ;-) )

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:46 AM


Another difference between TNZ and LR.

TNZ do not I believe have one of these!

But I would have thought that they would use an Italian make slicer, not a Dutch one :) - not that I am not a little bit proud of that as a CCC (card carrying cloggie): some Dutchness on the seriously cool LR team.

f Italy spend as much time, effort and skill on their economy and their country as they do on their boats, cars, fashion and food, they could be world beaters. (Of course they will reply; "what else is there besides boats, cars, tractors, fashion and food?" - and they would not be far wrong ;-) )


fixed,

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:52 AM

Do LR have a quick enough chase boat?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:10 AM

Do LR have a quick enough chase boat?

I would have thought that Patrizio would have insisted on their own 1200-HP Powercat tender as part of the deal :)

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:52 AM

LR has a 3x300hp 45 ft RIB, seen in some pictures, It's fast enough. Chase One is a NZL maritime industry showoff piece, not that I don't like it quite the opposite, but it's a bit overkill. Not even Oracle has chase boats that spicy, Artemis has 2x Yamaha 350 V8s on their.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:53 AM

I haven't seen it if they do have one.
From the limited pictures I saw from the webcam today it looked like a mother duck teaching 3 little ducklings to paddle - the ducklings weren't keeping up.
Maybe that's where they want to observe from.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:56 AM

No 7

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:04 AM

LR has a 3x300hp 45 ft RIB, seen in some pictures, It's fast enough. Chase One is a NZL maritime industry showoff piece, not that I don't like it quite the opposite, but it's a bit overkill. Not even Oracle has chase boats that spicy, Artemis has 2x Yamaha 350 V8s on their.


Cheers.
I guess if Chase One earns it's money only once by righting the 72 then it will be all worthwhile.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:23 AM


Another difference between TNZ and LR.

TNZ do not I believe have one of these!

But I would have thought that they would use an Italian make slicer, not a Dutch one :) - not that I am not a little bit proud of that as a CCC (card carrying cloggie): some Dutchness on the seriously cool LR team.

f Italy spend as much time, effort and skill on their economy and their country as they do on their boats, cars, fashion and food, they could be world beaters. (Of course they will reply; "what else is there besides boats, cars, fashion and food?" - and they would not be far wrong ;-) )


I bet they aren't slicing Dutch Proscuitto though. :)

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:27 AM

The launch food was Italian (cheese, cheese, proscuitto, bread, cheese, salami) but I think the beer was dutch!

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:28 AM



Another difference between TNZ and LR.

TNZ do not I believe have one of these!

But I would have thought that they would use an Italian make slicer, not a Dutch one :) - not that I am not a little bit proud of that as a CCC (card carrying cloggie): some Dutchness on the seriously cool LR team.

f Italy spend as much time, effort and skill on their economy and their country as they do on their boats, cars, fashion and food, they could be world beaters. (Of course they will reply; "what else is there besides boats, cars, fashion and food?" - and they would not be far wrong ;-) )


I bet they aren't slicing Dutch Proscuitto though. :)

It's not too bad though:
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And photographed on a mirror - how topical :-)

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:51 AM

As LR and TNZ are sharing design and performance data until the end of the year, and knowing that the number of boards is limited. On top they will sail together ...

Couldn't we think that they will compare different board/rudder shape on the 2 boats ? I mean they could test the double of board/rudder than the other no ?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:17 PM

No 7

Doesn't look like the nicest place to spend 6+ hours on the water, tending to instrumentation data on laptops, etc, summertime notwithstanding.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:49 PM



Posted Image

Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?


Don't forget no component on the AC72 can exceed max beam so that limits the size of the 'T' foils on the rudder. OR 's rudders cant outboard so the outboard tip of the 'T' will hit max beam earlier than the vertical rudders of TNZ or LR.

That would be the most interesting comment of this thread.
OR would have to limit the size of its T because their hull is too sleak ?
So, if that is the case, and if the reason they can't foil is that their T rudder is too small, then OR has to work on a new boat to make a foiling boat ?

Two extrapolations, but worth making it.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 12:55 PM

The T can be 7m wide if they want.
They just both need to stay within the 14m beam max.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:06 PM

LR has a 3x300hp 45 ft RIB, seen in some pictures, It's fast enough. Chase One is a NZL maritime industry showoff piece, not that I don't like it quite the opposite, but it's a bit overkill. Not even Oracle has chase boats that spicy, Artemis has 2x Yamaha 350 V8s on their.

That gives you an idea of the top speed of the respective AC72, no?
ETNZ 1200 HP
LR 900
AR 700 (enough to break the beam anyway)
OR, uh, how much HP does that tugboat have? ;)

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 02:56 PM

The T can be 7m wide if they want.
They just both need to stay within the 14m beam max.

Correct, unless they want symetrical T

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:19 PM


Posted Image

Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

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They look about the same to me except-and this is wierd-if you measure the length of the t-foil on either side of the vertical on LR the inboard side is longer! Maybe some sort of photo distortion? The angle of the photo doesn't look like it would account for this-but maybe.(Take a piece of paper and mark it-you'll see what I mean)

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 03:20 PM

It's a great looker and I wish them well, but as usual, they will probably lose with great style. La Bella Figura...

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 04:56 PM

so were they sailing today?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:08 PM



Posted Image

Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

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They look about the same to me except-and this is wierd-if you measure the length of the t-foil on either side of the vertical on LR the inboard side is longer! Maybe some sort of photo distortion? The angle of the photo doesn't look like it would account for this-but maybe.(Take a piece of paper and mark it-you'll see what I mean)


That's probably what I would have done. Since they're limited by the beam they add area inboard to make up for it.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:26 PM

Worth another look.. (click to enbiggen)
Posted ImageMissing dash and the 'fuel fill' is all I'm seeing now that looks 'other'. Does LR have the exposed rudder quadrant though?


Is this not a more useful shot?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:40 PM

This is all great guys, but can they sail it?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:49 PM


Worth another look.. (click to enbiggen)
Posted ImageMissing dash and the 'fuel fill' is all I'm seeing now that looks 'other'. Does LR have the exposed rudder quadrant though?


Is this not a more useful shot?

Difficult to see if the inward part of the T is longer. Doug ?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 06:10 PM



Worth another look.. (click to enbiggen)
Posted ImageMissing dash and the 'fuel fill' is all I'm seeing now that looks 'other'. Does LR have the exposed rudder quadrant though?


Is this not a more useful shot?

Difficult to see if the inward part of the T is longer. Doug ?


It's been stated repeatedly (here anyway ;) ) that they'd be testing foils other than those used on NZ72.1. We also see different main foils (some have cried 'fake' but based on what I'm not sure), but the only interesting comparison is with NZ72.1 surely - who cares how they compare to a completely different boat?

More interesting to me is the 'cassette' style rudder system, I asked earlier if anyone knew if this is a new thing - watch the LR video ^^ to see how easily they can be mounted. No sign of that from ETNZ that I know of to date - but then they obviously haven't been swapping rudders at the dock either (if at all).

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 06:38 PM

It's been stated repeatedly (here anyway ;) ) that they'd be testing foils other than those used on NZ72.1. We also see different main foils (some have cried 'fake' but based on what I'm not sure), but the only interesting comparison is with NZ72.1 surely - who cares how they compare to a completely different boat?


Max Sirena in the FV video interview stated that "real" boards won't be all that different from the presentation ones, but suited to foiling

More interesting to me is the 'cassette' style rudder system, I asked earlier if anyone knew if this is a new thing - watch the LR video ^^ to see how easily they can be mounted. No sign of that from ETNZ that I know of to date - but then they obviously haven't been swapping rudders at the dock either (if at all).


Which LR video? Nobody's mentioned yet the Rule req'mt that rudders be either rapidly removeable or free to rotate 360 degrees



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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:11 PM


It's been stated repeatedly (here anyway ;) ) that they'd be testing foils other than those used on NZ72.1. We also see different main foils (some have cried 'fake' but based on what I'm not sure), but the only interesting comparison is with NZ72.1 surely - who cares how they compare to a completely different boat?


Max Sirena in the FV video interview stated that "real" boards won't be all that different from the presentation ones, but suited to foiling

More interesting to me is the 'cassette' style rudder system, I asked earlier if anyone knew if this is a new thing - watch the LR video ^^ to see how easily they can be mounted. No sign of that from ETNZ that I know of to date - but then they obviously haven't been swapping rudders at the dock either (if at all).


Which LR video? Nobody's mentioned yet the Rule req'mt that rudders be either rapidly removeable or free to rotate 360 degrees


Here @ 2:00 : http://www.3news.co....31/Default.aspx

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:18 PM

FWIT - LR are aiming to sail tomorrow, according to a team member. Seems to be getting pushed out daily.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:35 PM

When did Giles Scott start sailing for Luna Rossa - I thought he was with Team Korea?

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:23 PM




Worth another look.. (click to enbiggen)
Posted ImageMissing dash and the 'fuel fill' is all I'm seeing now that looks 'other'. Does LR have the exposed rudder quadrant though?


Is this not a more useful shot?

Difficult to see if the inward part of the T is longer. Doug ?


It's been stated repeatedly (here anyway ;) ) that they'd be testing foils other than those used on NZ72.1. We also see different main foils (some have cried 'fake' but based on what I'm not sure), but the only interesting comparison is with NZ72.1 surely - who cares how they compare to a completely different boat?

More interesting to me is the 'cassette' style rudder system, I asked earlier if anyone knew if this is a new thing - watch the LR video ^^ to see how easily they can be mounted. No sign of that from ETNZ that I know of to date - but then they obviously haven't been swapping rudders at the dock either (if at all).


A lot of the sporties use this system, Melges 32 comes to mind

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 08:58 PM

I've heard they are getting a support Cat RIB tender the same as ETNZ. Should be in build as we speak. I look forward to its colour scheme.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:04 PM

Why pussyfoot around with that ? If your gonna go, go BIG :)

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:09 PM

Why pussyfoot around with that ? If your gonna go, go BIG :)

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Not enough:

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:21 PM

Crane up... italian style, starting the day at 10h30 :D

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:22 PM

Why pussyfoot around with that ? If your gonna go, go BIG :)

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Imagine all those props acting against one another :blink: ...unbelievable!!

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:24 PM

Crane up... italian style, starting the day at 10h30 :D


Yeah, but in the afternoon they'll feather the wing, take a little nap on the trampoline, and stay out testing until 8:30 pm. Back just in time for dinner at 10.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:38 PM


Crane up... italian style, starting the day at 10h30 :D


Yeah, but in the afternoon they'll feather the wing, take a little nap on the trampoline, and stay out testing until 8:30 pm. Back just in time for dinner at 10.


In earleir AC's you could always tell when the Italians were going to tack as they would toss their cigarettes into the drink just before it was " helm over " :)

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 09:42 PM

More interesting to me is the 'cassette' style rudder system

Thats no cassette, they're just poking the rudder stock up through the bearing.
ETNZ rudder stock mounts tiller on deck behind Barker so LR probably has same.
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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:07 PM

Why pussyfoot around with that ? If your gonna go, go BIG :)

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How many minutes can they try to follow an AC72 before running out of gas ? :D

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 10:52 PM


Why pussyfoot around with that ? If your gonna go, go BIG :)

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How many minutes can they try to follow an AC72 before running out of gas ? :D


Quite awhile actually . Modern outboards are some of the most efficient propulsion systems currently in use.They could run on the middle four for non foiling activity and then dial in the last four for foiling runs :)

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:39 AM



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Doesn't it looks a bit familiar ? (photos, credit to Sail-world)

Strange nobody noticed that the T rudder foils seems much bigger than the OR one ? Doug ?

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They look about the same to me except-and this is wierd-if you measure the length of the t-foil on either side of the vertical on LR the inboard side is longer! Maybe some sort of photo distortion? The angle of the photo doesn't look like it would account for this-but maybe.(Take a piece of paper and mark it-you'll see what I mean)


that's a photo illusion as they are swept

if you swept them at 45 degrees and then took the photo at 45 degrees 1 of them would disappear!

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 12:46 AM

^ bingo

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:38 AM

sailing?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 07:21 PM

Looks like they are really going saling today. They were up early. Crane up by 8am local time .Wing is on the crane.

Low cloud day. Virtually no wind around Westhaven.

Ideal for a learner driver.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 08:57 PM

Are they out there? rowing?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:11 PM

Must be doing the makeup as they are not moving on the web cam.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:36 PM

She came off the crane around 930am local time. Went for a quick look and the crew appear to be familiarising themselves with all the equipment. Winding the wing in and out. It all looks pretty relaxed.

No real urgency to get the cat underway. Moveout onto the harbour an hour or two yet I would guess.

Very light winds around Westhaven. So maybe waiting for the breeze to build.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:37 PM

She is on her way being towed out past the breakwater into the mainstream of the harbour. Steady 6 knots of brezze out of the north -onshore breeze to those overseas. Going down harbour as expected.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:46 PM

She is off and flying down harbour on her own. One big rib and one smaller one at the back in attendance.

Quite a sight.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:52 PM

She is off and flying down harbour on her own. One big rib and one smaller one at the back in attendance.

Quite a sight.


Flying meaning foiling or just going fast?

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 11:00 PM

yeh they just took it out of the shed and foiled down the harbour!

being towed into the channel now


http://www.spencerho....nz/webcam.html

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:03 AM

Did anyone see the shape of the foils?
Were they "L" or "S"?

Isn't that great two foiling AC72s to watch and talk about.
Let us hope there will be three tomorrow!

And OR comes in ahead of schedule. Then with Hydro.. in the Transpac sailing will be going faster in leaps and bounds!!

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:15 AM

yeh they just took it out of the shed and foiled down the harbour!

being towed into the channel now


http://www.spencerho....nz/webcam.html


how cool is that

fresh out of the box

someone is on the cam

but it seems far off the northern beaches and the light is poor


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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:28 AM

I caught a glimpse when someone was driving the cam about 20 minutes ago, they looked pretty good.

Anyone spot a helicopter in the air? May have been a bird close to the hotel, was hard to tell.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:58 AM

Wow foiling on day one. Italian cojones! Really curious to see if L foils were used. If so, OR design=suck.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:27 AM

Anyone know who is on the helm?

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:22 AM

foiling

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:36 AM

Lots of wheelies and up/downs, but for the first day out, pretty good!

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:39 AM

Steady foiling already not too bad for the first day out.

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:42 AM

Well I would imagine Max and the boys would be pretty happy after one day out on the water. Lots of time under sail, and some good foiling at the end. Not sure which foils they had on but I suggest not the full s curve ones so all up a good outing.

I know they were jumping out of their skins to get on the water so there will be some good spitrits back in the base tonight.




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