Tartan 34C 1968 - Pop Quiz - Who designed this boat?
Posted 27 October 2012 - 11:06 AM
Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:33 PM
Here is that post, the answer and the link.
Of course it is a collaborative effort and without having been there it is hard to assign credit.
But ....the answer surprised me.
Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:49 PM
Heck, even BP collaborates on some things at some times.
Posted 27 October 2012 - 02:57 PM
But I'm probably wrong.
Posted 27 October 2012 - 05:09 PM
My boat was floated before it was painted, I assume to locate the bootstripe on the hull. Is that usual?
Hopefully I'll be able to get my turntable up to the house and set up this weekend. Ann has a lot of chores for me in the yard. Now I have to go help her get the aerator on the tractor.
Posted 27 October 2012 - 05:38 PM
Good, get that turntable set up. If it has been a while since you listened to vinyl I think you will be amazed. Cartridges can get stiff with age as the rubber grommet hardens up. There are some very good reasonably priced cartridges available. I can assist you if you think a replacement is warranted. ( When I say "cartridges" imagine me saying it in that Homer Simpson voice, "bacon")
I just got off ARCHIV music placing a nice fat order of new classical recordings. Yum! ARCHIV is first rate, huge selection, great website and fast delivery. I can't wait.
No, No, No!
Imagine me telling a builder, "Well, just launch it and we'll see where it floats." Right.
I'm certain that it is done and it's not unusual for a builder to float a new boat in his "tank" to check flotation (several Taiwan yards had big tanks) but most builders rely on the designer to get it right.
There are few more satisfying moments than when a designer sees a new boat launched and float right where he predicted. It has taken me 40 years to perfect my smug "I knew exactly where it would float" look.
Raining hard here. Dogs are sleeping. But I don't have to worry about a stinking Taiphoon like you East coast guys.
Posted 27 October 2012 - 06:23 PM
Posted 27 October 2012 - 06:44 PM
The most likely scenario is much more benign.
Posted 27 October 2012 - 09:23 PM
There are several stories that mention others but once again there was an optional yawl rig and then the change to a larger diesel and other modifications. These plans are on the web and they were not drawn by GF jr
I am going to leave this one alone. Maybe a Tartan owner has a set of hull plans for the 34 from 1967 that have the initials listed.
Boomer depp was kind enough to post what info he had. There is a set of hull lines from 1967. However the initials are hard to read. They might be DWG....then again what I am looking at may not even be the initials of who drew the plans. I checked the S&S alumni list and there should not have been anyone with the first intial D working on this project in 1967.
Offset engine - I didn't know that either. I think the reason that neither of us noticed is that there is very little shaft that exits the hull on the stub of the keel. The shaft is only seen for a few inches on either end.
Olin Sparkman - That is definitely a good way to decide on a broker. Can you do your listings correctly.
Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:05 PM
DWG, now isn't that an abbreviation of 'Drawing'. S&S were the premier design shop in '50s, '60s and 70's. Like any large design firm, they hired draftsmen, NA's, etc and probably had the pick of available talent. Trying to determine who drew the lines from a sail plan dwg is a fools journey as it could be someone who actually designed or just someone good with a pencil who was asked to put down on paper dimensions worked out by an engineer. To find the person who actually designed the boat, you'd have to find someone who worked at S&S in the '60s to tell you. It very well could have been a collaboration of a number of people.
Posted 01 November 2012 - 09:59 PM
Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:00 PM
"DWG" is almost certainly "drawing", what an awful set of initials for a draftsman to have. "Who's on first?"
But I think it's valid and fun to try and trace the components of the design down to the specific design team involved. It all started with the hull lines so I'm very interested in who drew the specific lines to each design.
Having worked in other design offices I can tell you for a fact that it's a bit disurbing after working your ass off to produce a beautiful drawing to have a client say to your boss, "What beautiful drawings you do." And then have the boss say, "Thank you." I also know that some of the designers who worked at S&S were a wee bit bitter when they left. But hell, given the volume of work that S&S put out I can't see it happening any other way. And if for a moment you don't think I admire the work of S&S just take a look at this. Doesn't get much better than that.
Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:02 PM
There is a set of hull lines and after looking at them they are not in German Frers jr's handwriting. His writing is very distinct from this time period. For instance several letters and especially numbers will go below the line that they are written on that would be odd for someone from the U.S. So it looks like I was wrong. Not the first time and I doubt the last.
Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:20 PM
Don't be fooled. Frers was a young man at the time and he may have been playing with various letterring styles. We all did that.
Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:30 PM
Clip <Having worked in other design offices I can tell you for a fact that it's a bit disurbing after working your ass off to produce a beautiful drawing to have a client say to your boss, "What beautiful drawings you do." And then have the boss say, "Thank you.">
Amen to that.
Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:26 AM
...I admire the work of S&S just take a look at this. Doesn't get much better than that.
So much of that boat is under water. But look at what's above water. Gorgeous. It's probably ridiculous to ask what we'd do with that design given what we know now. I'd like to know I could back a modern version into my slip.
How about changing nothing except replacing the rudder with a spade hung as far aft as reasonable?
Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:39 AM
I would not change a thing on that design. I'd rather change myself.
Posted 02 November 2012 - 03:56 AM
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 11:49 AM
I would not change a thing on that design. I'd rather change myself.
I met the owners, Ed Kane and his wife Marty, at a local hunt club gathering. I asked them about the boat, the transom was still bright then. They seem to be having a lot of fun owning her and they've treated her very well from what I know.
Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:45 PM
I think what I likeabout this design are the overal proportions,i.e. low freeboard, small deck structures, sweeping sheer and shapely ends plus it's hard to argue with the paint and varnish job. As for the underbody I like the organic flow to the lines. It may not be the shape of speed today but it sure looks right and sweet to my eye.
Posted 02 November 2012 - 12:58 PM
I like that Tartan 34, too. Amazing bargain at $18K.