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#1 hreko

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 06:58 PM

I just started to built prototype of my dreamboat HReko-looo. Most of the project you can see on www.hreko.com

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Posted 27 October 2012 - 10:57 PM

hreko:
Welcome.
It looks like you are having fun. You might give some thought to how well that boat will balance. I think the center of pressure is pretty far aft.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:54 AM

Please forgive Bob, he has no manners sometimes.

Fuck off and show us your wife or girlfriend's tits, then we can continue.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 06:31 PM

The good Cop, bad Cop thingy kinda fell apart right out the gate.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 09:01 PM

hreko:
Welcome.
It looks like you are having fun. You might give some thought to how well that boat will balance. I think the center of pressure is pretty far aft.


Does the mast bending way the heck forward as shown in the picture help? That just looks weird.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:29 PM

I think the mast bending forward will be the least weird thing on the boat, did you check the web site? That will be a very unique craft.

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 10:58 PM

I want to either see some knockers or an indignant reaction to the welcome before I will visit the site. ;)

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Posted 28 October 2012 - 11:46 PM

I think it Would be really nice to see some natural tits from a 5'10" Dutch gal, maybe 162 lbs ( i don't like them scrawny". I want a gal who can carry my Braunsveiger.

It is really strange the words that Spell check comes up with for "Braunswieger". I learned all of my German from reading along with Wagner's operas. I kind of think I have a handle on it.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:19 AM

I like to think I'm pretty open minded when it comes to folks trying new things. I can't call myself a Yacht Designer, but I think I understand a large portion of the basics and the fact that even the most advanced speed monsters that are out there sailing today all address the same basics.

So with stuff like this, I wonder what sort of 'basics' these designs which are 'out there' are trying to address.

On the site, it seems that it is using mostly form stability (nothing new there) with 'external water ballast' in the tubes along the hull along with 'dynamic' water ballast. I'm assuming that means it automatically adjusts to the conditions. He calls it 'Hybrid Stability' and includes an airbag at the top of the mast. <_<

The mast rotates forward in an attempt to 'open up' the forward sail. Why not just have a tensioner on the forestay? It seems to me the last place you want your mast pivoting is at the partner. And what's going to happen with the shrouds?

The one thing that does sound kind of cool is the fact that the head sail is actually two sails held close together. When reaching, they act as one sail lying against one another (in twin grooves on the forestay). When running, the two sails can open up. Of course, there are twin headstays out there now for this purpose, but I don't think they are intended to run two headsails when reaching. Something tells me this isn't anything new either.

Sounds like a lot of fucking around for not as much gain.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:43 AM

I think it Would be really nice to see some natural tits from a 5'10" Dutch gal, maybe 162 lbs ( i don't like them scrawny". I want a gal who can carry my Braunsveiger.

It is really strange the words that Spell check comes up with for "Braunswieger". I learned all of my German from reading along with Wagner's operas. I kind of think I have a handle on it.


Bob, it's Braunsweiger... I am a liverwurst (Leberwurst) expert after all. I do not believe Wagner featured Leberwurst in any of his works.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:10 AM

No? What about Ride of the Leberwursts? Tristan und Leberwurst? Or his finest, GotterdamI'moutofleberwurstagain?

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:23 AM

Ish - you're right. I reviewed my catalog and also found I had forgotten the Leberwurst-Idyll, one of the most poignant odes to a sausage ever written.

Of course, there is also the masterwork, The Ring, but that refers to a form found more often in Germany. My bad.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 05:16 AM

and another thread devolves into the subject of food......what's with CA? (and what type of wine does Anom suggest best be served with Braunsweiger?)

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:32 AM

and another thread devolves into the subject of food......what's with CA? (and what type of wine does Anom suggest best be served with Braunsweiger?)


Personally..... I think I'd just have a beer with it. It's a long walk down to the enoteca and I'd have to go right past this Czech booth that has beer including a 9% Porter that I had the other night (like I said, its a long way down to the enoteca, I had to stop for some fortification for the hike) that was darn good.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:14 PM

eh, I tried Hreko

Othervise, you just need to show us some hot girl tits from either the Netherlands or Croatia.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:26 PM

'external water ballast' in the tubes along the hull along with 'dynamic' water ballast.


Hmmm.

External _______ ballast. Dynamic ballast.

External Tequila ballast?

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:29 PM


'external water ballast' in the tubes along the hull along with 'dynamic' water ballast.


Hmmm.

External _______ ballast. Dynamic ballast.

External Tequila ballast?


hmmm...that would present a conundrum. I would not want to be in a position to choose between Tequila and righting moment. Unless it's really bad tequila. If there is such a thing.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 01:44 PM

1. Consuming enough Tequila makes righting moment seem irrelevant.

2. Large tanks need baffles anyway. Maybe a series of small tanks and you empty them one at a time and refill with salt water.

3. Consuming enough Tequila makes choosing the right one seem irrelevant.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:11 PM

liverwurst


Yummy :wub:

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:44 PM

I want to either see some knockers or an indignant reaction to the welcome before I will visit the site. ;)


You haven't missed anything
It's ugly and loaded with weirdness

That's kinda harsh on the guy's dream but he's trying to build it with other people's money and also not posting any tits.

I did engineering for a lot of guys who assumed that they were much smarter than the engineers who designed similar equipment. Invariably it was a miserable failure and my job became scraping off the "original design" and make it work by plugging in components from the lowbrow mainstream of engineering.

Conventional wisdom is conventional but if it works then one should start by respecting that. There is plenty of room for functional, practical innovation without going bizarro. Shucks look how much better cars are now than 40 years ago.

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liverwurst


Yummy :wub:


True

But what kind of wine goes with it? And can you grill it??

FB- Doug

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:49 PM

Can you fry liverwurst? With some bacon?

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:52 PM

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Grilled bacon and liverwurst sandwich with curly fries and coleslaw.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 02:57 PM

Ishmael, will you marry me?

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:07 PM

Is that legal in Florida, Tom?

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:30 PM

Ish:
I am going to try that sandwich this week. It sounds great.

I like to put slab of liverwurst on a hot English muffin with cream cheese. Bacon would be the perfect addition.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:34 PM

Is that legal in Florida, Tom?

I dunno, but I'm already thinking we should have a waiting period for people who get swept away. Maybe I could find some other way to get the
sandwich? ;)

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 03:41 PM

Here's where to find it:

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:12 PM

Here's where to find it:

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Thanks. Is the owner single?

Wait! I'm not!

Gotta find some other plan.

#29 MoeAlfa

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:13 PM

Haven't seen any one fry liverwurst since my Kraut father was alive and in charge of what he ate. You can get essentially the same thing in a knackwürst-like size. It tends to ooze around the pan a bit. I grew up eating sausages from here

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about once a week. Bratwürst (smoked and plain), weisswürst, bauernwürst, bockwürst, knackwürst and hot dogs. Let's not talk about the hams. I have given all that up, but I'm getting hungry thinking about it. Time to go heat up some tofu, collard, and mushroom stew and brown rice.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:28 PM


Here's where to find it:

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Thanks. Is the owner single?

Wait! I'm not!

Gotta find some other plan.


You could always convert.

There must be a religion out there that allows polygamy and yet does not insist you forego certain foods (good luck finding halal liverwurst)

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:41 PM

I didn't read the web site in detail, so I'm not sure if he intends the bilge keels to be permanently filled, or to fill them only when they are on the windward side.

In either case, it looks to me like he has fallen victim to some common misonceptions about water ballast. There have been a lot of water ballasted boats, and a lot of bilge keel boats, but as they've developed, they have not moved toward his configuration. Not a good sign.

It's easy to think that the volume and weight of the bilge keels acts differently than if the same volume enclosed in the hull, but the differences are minor. If, instead of the bilge keels, he just added a smoothy faired equal volume to the main hull, the would get very similar overall stability and much reduced drag.

Water ballast is used a lot in amateur-built boats, and I've seen all sorts of misconception about how it works (when it works). I've thought about it hard. I'm pretty sure it works best in a shallow-bodied, flat-floored, light displacement boat. Done right, it can give modest sailing performance, like whichever of the MacGreagors sails the best.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 04:55 PM

Once your design includes an inflating bag at the top of the mast to provide for righting... you have crossed the rubicon. Good luck!

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 05:01 PM

Here's where to find it:

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Ricks got his own service window?? :o

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 06:28 PM


liverwurst


Yummy :wub:


True

But what kind of wine goes with it? And can you grill it??

FB- Doug


A lot of people would recommend a decent Merlot, but I prefer a Pinot Noir.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 07:59 PM


Here's where to find it:

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Ricks got his own service window?? :o


Could be a different Booth. The ground looks awfully clean around that window.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:24 PM



Here's where to find it:

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Ricks got his own service window?? :o


Could be a different Booth. The ground looks awfully clean around that window.


only one way to tell, see if Rick's got grass stains on the knees of his overalls.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 08:53 PM

Boomer is coming up tomorrow and we are going to try it. I am thinking some lettuce and tomato might be good but I don't want to delute the liverwurstyness too much.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:09 PM

Boomer is coming up tomorrow and we are going to try it. I am thinking some lettuce and tomato might be good but I don't want to delute the liverwurstyness too much.


an LLT sammy?

We'll need a report back on that!

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:11 PM

What are you doing for lunch Hobot?

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:14 PM

What are you doing for lunch Hobot?


you are making me hungry!

slice of liverwurst + slice of onion + mustard + cream cheese (or not).....

I'm thinking of heading to Central Market!!

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:15 PM

You are most welcome to come up to the shack if you are nearbye.

You forgot the bacon. It's all about the melding of the bacon and the liverwurst.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 09:20 PM

You are most welcome to come up to the shack if you are nearbye.

You forgot the bacon. It's all about the melding of the bacon and the liverwurst.


I'll give Boomer a call.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 10:00 PM

I just picked up a pound of Coombs' finest bacon, but I don't think the mail will make it.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 10:59 PM

Ish:
I get Hempler's from B'Ham. It's very good.

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:18 PM

Do you go right to the source there in Ferndale?

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Posted 29 October 2012 - 11:32 PM

I just picked up a pound of Coombs' finest bacon, but I don't think the mail will make it.


Just noticed in the SA Index page.....Happy Birthday Ishmael! (99 years old....best cut back on the bacon)

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 12:29 AM

That's tomorrow, and I'm really 103 but the counter only goes to 99.

Cut back on bacon? Hush yo mouf, boy.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 02:32 AM

Well, as you have 40+ years on me I'll just say, yes Sir and duly noted.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 07:33 AM



Here's where to find it:

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Thanks. Is the owner single?

Wait! I'm not!

Gotta find some other plan.


You could always convert.

There must be a religion out there that allows polygamy and yet does not insist you forego certain foods (good luck finding halal liverwurst)

FB- Doug


They are called the "Sausage People" saw them on Facebook. Any kind of sausage will do.

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:35 AM

That's tomorrow, and I'm really 103 but the counter only goes to 99.

Cut back on bacon? Hush yo mouf, boy.


Have a good one Ish !

BTW .....in the efforts of self preservation,decided to stop having birthdays about 20 years.....just saying

#51 mad

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:06 PM



Here's where to find it:

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Ricks got his own service window?? :o


Could be a different Booth. The ground looks awfully clean around that window.

Good point and the window looks clean as well :P

Edit
and it only took 10 posts for the thread to go completely off the rails :D

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 06:28 PM

Okay....
Looks like you guys scared him off.

I was looking forward to learning more about the "Tender Insert hull Extender" device.
Damn.




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