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#101 Cavelamb

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 03:58 AM

I break the hull into sections as Perfection tends to run...OWL, BLW, Stern & deck...takes me about a week to get 3 coats on all.


Spray?
Or roll and tip?
Asking because I've never tried it before.

BTW, Van Diemen II looked pretty good last time you posted pics.
I was curious how you made the double transom parts?

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:25 AM

I made a tool box that holds all my hand tools in four levels. It's all leather and mahogany inside, oak outside. My wife uses it for blanket and material storage since it's a pain to access the planes on the bottom level, lifting out two flats of heavy tools each time. So I keep all my tools in three chipboard hell cupboards, but the planes at least live on their old leather.


I believe the appropriate term is veneration. Them planes got it. I feel guilty for my "plane drawer', that contains the planes, glsss plates, bazillion grits of superfine abrasive sheets, and some rocks. And my Father-in-Law gave me a book titled "Planecraft", which sits in my bookcase.

I am not worthy.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 12:09 AM

Cave...roll tip...spraying can actually be lethal.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 03:20 AM

Cave...roll tip...spraying can actually be lethal.


Copy that.

I've done a little bit of two-part spray stuff.
But I had good guidance getting started.
I have a proper mask, but don't want to invest in a full
paint shop with pressure suit and all for home projects.

We all have to decide that point for ourselves,
where our talents and capabilities are put to best use?

The gray primer I used is a two-part automotive thing (Nason?).
Good stuff, Maynard. (Outside with a mask and gloves)

Roll, huh? I'm working in 1" = 1' scale, so a 2" roller would be uhm
- 1/6" diameter? Where do you get those?

These being such a small area I may just try to cross-coat with brushes.
Wet brush to put it on and tip off dry?
Keep a wet leading edge and see how it looks.

break

I started a Catalina 27 tonight as a Christmas present for a friend.
All of the lifts were cut from the same edge of the board this time.
The alternating grain pattern of the first attempt was kinda interesting.
But we'll see.

#105 Dale dug a hole

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 07:03 AM

I'd like to have a play and I'd like to try a pacific dory. like em for some reason, and the bottom is flat.

So what sort of program can I plug the info from this to give me bits I've got to glue together.

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Only going to play eg, craft wood and plaster for the first one.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 05:29 PM

Hole:
Contact Rasputin ( Rasper) and I'd be he could knock you out a 3D model in less than an hour for that simple hull. He's quite good at eyeballing things.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 06:16 PM

Traded in the block plane for ab 18 inch had saw to do the whittling.
It went really fast.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 06:22 PM

I'd like to have a play and I'd like to try a pacific dory. like em for some reason, and the bottom is flat.

So what sort of program can I plug the info from this to give me bits I've got to glue together.

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Only going to play eg, craft wood and plaster for the first one.


If Bob if going to give me a referral like this, I'd better follow up. I'll post you some templates that you can print out and use to cut the sides, bottom, and transom.

How about scale? How big do you want the model. Perhaps I'll just size it to fit on legal size paper for the printer.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:27 PM

Here is a quick 3d model of the Pacific Dory. I haven't scaled it yet, it is full size in meters. For those of you interested, I've attached a 3dPDF file of the Rhino3D model here that you can open with Adobe Acrobat Reader (8 and later). I've been trying this format out on Bob and hopefully will be using it with his clients in the future. I'd appreciate any comments from you all on how it works and what browser you are opening it in. Thanks

Rasp

Dang, I can seem to find the attachment button in this new format for the site. I'll keep trying.

See it now, the pdf is too big for attaching here. I'll upload it somewhere else and post a link here.

How about a screenshot for now?

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 09:36 PM

Isn't anyone going to point out he has the bow on the wrong end ...you were all over me like white on rice!!

:P

#111 Dale dug a hole

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 03:14 AM

Here is a quick 3d model of the Pacific Dory. I haven't scaled it yet, it is full size in meters. For those of you interested, I've attached a 3dPDF file of the Rhino3D model here that you can open with Adobe Acrobat Reader (8 and later). I've been trying this format out on Bob and hopefully will be using it with his clients in the future. I'd appreciate any comments from you all on how it works and what browser you are opening it in. Thanks

Rasp

Dang, I can seem to find the attachment button in this new format for the site. I'll keep trying.

See it now, the pdf is too big for attaching here. I'll upload it somewhere else and post a link here.

How about a screenshot for now?

Thanks for the offer, but I should be able to work it out. :mellow:
OH yeh happy with a screen shot

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 03:17 AM

Isn't anyone going to point out he has the bow on the wrong end ...you were all over me like white on rice!!

:P


That's just because we expected better from you. :)

"White on rice"...what the hell does that mean?

One of my co-workers the other day, talking about touchdowns, babbled something about doing the "jigaboo dance". Is it something like that which should be avoided in polite company?

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 03:21 AM


Here is a quick 3d model of the Pacific Dory. I haven't scaled it yet, it is full size in meters. For those of you interested, I've attached a 3dPDF file of the Rhino3D model here that you can open with Adobe Acrobat Reader (8 and later). I've been trying this format out on Bob and hopefully will be using it with his clients in the future. I'd appreciate any comments from you all on how it works and what browser you are opening it in. Thanks

Rasp

Dang, I can seem to find the attachment button in this new format for the site. I'll keep trying.

See it now, the pdf is too big for attaching here. I'll upload it somewhere else and post a link here.

How about a screenshot for now?

Thanks for the offer, but I should be able to work it out. :mellow:


You want to have a look?

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 03:33 AM

WTF? What's with this new forum crap? I've been attaching screenshots and all sort of other stuff and now twice I've attached a screenshot of this Pacific Dory for Dale and it doesn't show up in my post. What am I missing here? Dale doesn't show much interest so maybe he can work it out, but I went to the trouble and can't post the results. I'm going to try one more time...

Looks like I have to upload a simple screenshot to a photo sharing site and then just post a link here, what a bunch of crap! When did this come about? I've been attaching images for Bob in CA for months, is this new? Sorry for the rant, but I don't get it... If anyone really gives a s__t, I've got a really nice 3d PDF that I'd like to share that I did this afternoon for Dale right off of his posted image but for the life of me I can't figure out how to do so.

There is a new button at the top called 'MyMedia' and it shows every image that I have posted in the past here on CA for a number of projects with Gate, Bob, and others. But now why can't I post a simple screenshot without going to a image hosting site? Too much porn of the Friday threads? I'm calling bullshit on this, why make it hard? If any one has an explanation I'd like to hear and I'll cool down and get back to the basics. WTF!

#115 Dale dug a hole

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:43 AM

Sorry rasp if you get the idea I'm not interested, I am. :)

To add something go to 'more reply options' you should see Attach Files, choose file etc

Then "Add to Post"

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 05:42 AM

OK in between drinking beer and watching the v8's on tv.

I went with up and down lines not the side to side one, also I hope I've got the bow the right way. :blink:

its a bit of a laugh. but when the glue dries I get to do some whittling :)

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 09:48 AM

latest pics this morning.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 10:02 AM

OK in between drinking beer and watching the v8's on tv.

I went with up and down lines not the side to side one, also I hope I've got the bow the right way. :blink:

its a bit of a laugh. but when the glue dries I get to do some whittling :)

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Da Da ding da da ding da da ling ding ding.

Dude, your "whittling" with VB. How many fingers you got?

Accualy, I like the basic dory hull better. If your going to make a model, make it right.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 12:25 PM

"White on rice"...what the hell does that mean?

One of my co-workers the other day, talking about touchdowns, babbled something about doing the "jigaboo dance". Is it something like that which should be avoided in polite company?


Muddy Waters-

I want to be close to you baby, as white is to rice,
Close to you baby, as cold is to ice,
Close to you baby, as fire is to smoke,
Close to you baby as a pig is to poke
Close to you baby as I can get,
Close to you baby as water is to wet
Close to you baby, as an egg is to a hen
Close to you baby, as siamese twins.

I think Siamese and jigaboo both don't go too far these days. Speaking of Muddy Waters, neither does "Good Morning Little Schoolgirl". And Little Walter's "Boom, Boom, Out Go The Lights"- thats right out, too. Sigh.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 01:26 PM

Lets see if Dale's 'Attachments for Dummies' instructions works for me. I thought that I had tried that 'more reply options' button before with no better results.

That button is new, right? I don't remember having to take that extra step in the past. I'll see if I can get the 3dPDF file trimmed down to under the 1 MB limit and post here as well.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 01:27 PM

Still didn't work! One more time...




Got it now, thanks Dale.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 02:03 PM

Now that I've got the hang of the attachments, DUH! See if you like this, Dale and let me know what length you want your scale model and I'll adjust the Rhino model to match and then 'unroll' the sides, transoms, and bottom for you to print and assemble.

The uploader wouldn't take my just under 1 MB 3dPDF just now. I'm getting frustrated with this new web group again.

Got it now. Just barely fit so it will take a while to download and then when you open in Acrobat Reader just click and drag to spin the model or roll the mouse wheel in and out for zoom.Attached File  PacificDory26.pdf   973.23K   14 downloads

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:31 PM

My progression is this...

- clear epoxy no filler
- wet sand
- spray with one part primer...you'll think it's fair until you do this
- sand off high spots, fill low spots with thickened epoxy
- coat any spots sanded down to raw wood with thin epoxy
- make fair and repaint with grey primer
- clear epoxy to lock in primer
- epoxy with fairing filler added brush on
- wet sand

- two part primer
- wet sand
- Perfection
- wet sand
- Perfection
- wet sand
- Perfection
- wet sand to remove dust
- sand with 320 grit


- clear coat
- paste wax x 5-8 coats

Simple.


Using Perfection in small amounts has been giving me fits. I buy a quart pack and use it in small (often 2-3 oz.) increments, mixing by volume, 2:1. Goes very well. My problem is that the hardner is difficult to store for more than a couple of weeks without gumming up and eventually turning into a semisolid brick. I've had a particular problem with the Perfection Plus (clear gloss). And I haven't found a source of hardner alone. It seems that it only comes in resin/hardner packs, so that when the hardner kicks, there's not much I can do with the resin component.

How do you guys store and dispense the Perfection components in small amounts to keep it from kicking off prematurely? Great stuff but at these prices, I need a way to use all of it and not lose half.

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Posted 02 December 2012 - 04:44 PM

I remove the lid from the hardener and fit it into an air tight container (tupperware) just slightly bigger than the can...the one I'm using now has been there for 3 months and seems to be perfect.

The latest Perfection I bought, the hardener had a pop up spout with a twist off cap...that might be better.

I mix small portions was a couple SS teaspoons...1 teaspoon hardener: 2 teaspoons paint....works great.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:10 AM

Now that I've got the hang of the attachments, DUH! See if you like this, Dale and let me know what length you want your scale model and I'll adjust the Rhino model to match and then 'unroll' the sides, transoms, and bottom for you to print and assemble.

The uploader wouldn't take my just under 1 MB 3dPDF just now. I'm getting frustrated with this new web group again.

Got it now. Just barely fit so it will take a while to download and then when you open in Acrobat Reader just click and drag to spin the model or roll the mouse wheel in and out for zoom.Attached File  PacificDory26.pdf   973.23K   14 downloads

Thanks for the 3d plan, very cool that you can twist it around in a pdf. I have already knocked up a basic model but will use the 3d model to guide me on whittlen'

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:08 AM

You sure got some whittling to do Dale, we want to see those internal details!

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:57 AM

Fuck the internal details, thanks Rasp.

But I do have some work to do on it... it aint easy getting things right

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:55 PM

Dale

Hang in there...btw, that little hull is WAYYYYYY harder than a larger model. If you struggle, put it aside and move to a larger boat.

Wanna see tough, try one of these!! Walker Bay 8'...even the inflatables are carved.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 04:53 PM

That's a beaut Gate.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:07 PM

That's a beaut Gate.


Thanks...my finger tips are still healing.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 05:16 PM

I think that if you can model that Walker Bay you can model just about anything.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 08:39 PM

I think that if you can model that Walker Bay you can model just about anything.


Should look great in that little black dress from Christian Dior!

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:02 AM

Dale

Hang in there...btw, that little hull is WAYYYYYY harder than a larger model. If you struggle, put it aside and move to a larger boat.

Wanna see tough, try one of these!! Walker Bay 8'...even the inflatables are carved.


Gate! That's awesome!

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 12:10 AM

Cave:
You built your model going the wrong way. Shame on you.
Say it one hundred times, "Bow to the right."

I had a model once with the bow to the left.
I gave it away.

I did not make this rule up. Bow to the right is standard practice.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:04 AM

Cave:
You built your model going the wrong way. Shame on you.
Say it one hundred times, "Bow to the right."

I had a model once with the bow to the left.
I gave it away.

I did not make this rule up. Bow to the right is standard practice.


Oh!
Never heard that one.
Guess I'll take them all apart and reglue?

Funny though... There are all drawn bow to the right.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 02:12 AM

Now that I've got the hang of the attachments, DUH! See if you like this, Dale and let me know what length you want your scale model and I'll adjust the Rhino model to match and then 'unroll' the sides, transoms, and bottom for you to print and assemble.

The uploader wouldn't take my just under 1 MB 3dPDF just now. I'm getting frustrated with this new web group again.

Got it now. Just barely fit so it will take a while to download and then when you open in Acrobat Reader just click and drag to spin the model or roll the mouse wheel in and out for zoom.Attached File  PacificDory26.pdf   973.23K   14 downloads


That's a neat trick, R.
How did you do that???

Richard

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:02 AM


Now that I've got the hang of the attachments, DUH! See if you like this, Dale and let me know what length you want your scale model and I'll adjust the Rhino model to match and then 'unroll' the sides, transoms, and bottom for you to print and assemble.

The uploader wouldn't take my just under 1 MB 3dPDF just now. I'm getting frustrated with this new web group again.

Got it now. Just barely fit so it will take a while to download and then when you open in Acrobat Reader just click and drag to spin the model or roll the mouse wheel in and out for zoom.Attached File  PacificDory26.pdf   973.23K   14 downloads


That's a neat trick, R.
How did you do that???

Richard


The latest Adobe Acrobat Pro version will do these 3dPDF's but it doesn't come cheap! I use a much more affordable plugin in Rhino by a small software company called SimLab Soft based in Jordan of all places. I won a copy of their first version a couple of years ago in a design contest and had less than satisfactory results. They recently upgraded and I think it cost $39 to get the latest and I'm very happy with the results. They do a standalone version that I may eventually but as it supports animation, but will wait until that matures into a workable solution as well. I've been doing another model lines plan for Gatekeeper over the last couple of days and will post a 3dPDF of that model as well so look for it in a new thread. I like being able to share my 3d Rhino model with a client without them having to go to the trouble of downloading the evaluation version of Rhino3D. When your client can see the model in 3d and spin and zoom it makes a huge difference and helps to justify the investment of time and energy to do the modelling in 3d. Glad you tried it and I'll be sure to offer up further examples.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 03:17 AM


Cave:
You built your model going the wrong way. Shame on you.
Say it one hundred times, "Bow to the right."

I had a model once with the bow to the left.
I gave it away.

I did not make this rule up. Bow to the right is standard practice.


Oh!
Never heard that one.
Guess I'll take them all apart and reglue?

Funny though... There are all drawn bow to the right.


Dont worry Cave, I've fixed it for you...

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:04 AM



Cave:
You built your model going the wrong way. Shame on you.
Say it one hundred times, "Bow to the right."

I had a model once with the bow to the left.
I gave it away.

I did not make this rule up. Bow to the right is standard practice.


Oh!
Never heard that one.
Guess I'll take them all apart and reglue?

Funny though... There are all drawn bow to the right.


Dont worry Cave, I've fixed it for you...

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;)


Cool!

I think Impress printed the patterns on the wrong side of the paper.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:16 AM



Now that I've got the hang of the attachments, DUH! See if you like this, Dale and let me know what length you want your scale model and I'll adjust the Rhino model to match and then 'unroll' the sides, transoms, and bottom for you to print and assemble.

The uploader wouldn't take my just under 1 MB 3dPDF just now. I'm getting frustrated with this new web group again.

Got it now. Just barely fit so it will take a while to download and then when you open in Acrobat Reader just click and drag to spin the model or roll the mouse wheel in and out for zoom.Attached File  PacificDory26.pdf   973.23K   14 downloads


That's a neat trick, R.
How did you do that???

Richard


The latest Adobe Acrobat Pro version will do these 3dPDF's but it doesn't come cheap! I use a much more affordable plugin in Rhino by a small software company called SimLab Soft based in Jordan of all places. I won a copy of their first version a couple of years ago in a design contest and had less than satisfactory results. They recently upgraded and I think it cost $39 to get the latest and I'm very happy with the results. They do a standalone version that I may eventually but as it supports animation, but will wait until that matures into a workable solution as well. I've been doing another model lines plan for Gatekeeper over the last couple of days and will post a 3dPDF of that model as well so look for it in a new thread. I like being able to share my 3d Rhino model with a client without them having to go to the trouble of downloading the evaluation version of Rhino3D. When your client can see the model in 3d and spin and zoom it makes a huge difference and helps to justify the investment of time and energy to do the modelling in 3d. Glad you tried it and I'll be sure to offer up further examples.



Way above my pay grade, Ras.
But it's really impressive to see that motion in a PDF file.

I piddle with some 3D stuff in Design CAD, but that's a drafting package, not really a modeling system like Rhino.

So what other boats have you drawn up as lift patterns?
I'm fresh out.

I just glued up Dorothy's Capri 18
Bow to the left since I did it before Bob advised me of my foolishness.
Dale? I may need some of your special help again!

What was Cortney's boat?
Maybe one of us should work up a small memento for her?
I'd be happy to carve one if I had the patterns.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:28 AM

Cave,

I think you will like the latest that Gates and I have been working on the last couple of days. An icon of the IOR era, Carina and we have run everything by Bob (the Maestro) as we have very little real hard data input due to the designers dragging their feet on supplying the original lines. I had the usual web low res PDF of the plan and profile and a few photos of the boat on the stands or in on the launch trailer. I like when I can get a photo of a boat in the travel lift slings as the slings clearly define the underwater sections, but in this case we didn't have that input. I think I broke new ground on this project in being able to use 'perspective matching' in my 3d software (Rhino3D) to pick out the sheer, canoe body line, and transom edges and adjust my initial model to accurately (hopefully!) define the hull surface. Gates is persisting in getting the original lines from the designer and it will be interesting to see how close I have come if they deliver the real lines. Anyway we think we have enough for Gates to proceed and he mentioned he would start a thread on this project. I'll let him do the honors, look for it soon.

Rasp

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 04:52 AM

OK, here is a look at the 3dPDF for those interested. It is right at the 1MB limit and hope it gets through.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 05:17 AM

OK, here is a look at the 3dPDF for those interested. It is right at the 1MB limit and hope it gets through.


Neat stuff; beautiful rendering. Sheer seems a bit too springy, as I recall.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 05:17 PM

Ain't she cute...same scale as GK

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:12 PM

OK, here is a look at the 3dPDF for those interested. It is right at the 1MB limit and hope it gets through.


Thanks, that is way cool.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 06:59 PM

Ain't she cute...same scale as GK


And going the wrong way, same as GK. :)

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:31 AM

Hey Cavelamb,

How are the hulls going.

I'd like to see them. :)

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:20 PM

Some progress...
The 26 is in the process of being painted.
An the Catalina 27s (2 of them) are coming along.
One is about ready for paint.
The other is in the carving stage - quite well along and looking like a potential bright finish!

Dorothy is building a Capri 18 (she learned to sail in one and loves them).
That basically means I'm carving and shaping, and she will get to paint it. :)
It gets another coat of epoxy and then will be ready to smooth and paint.

I wish I had someone like Rasputin doing genius level work for me.
I'd build some more.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 09:03 PM

Nicely done...cave and boot stripes, or just a fine line at the DWL, will really define the shape and take the puffy look out of the white hull. I find most designs look puffy until the DWL is in place.

And when you really think you are getting good, send a hi-def picture to Bob Perry and ask him to be honest. I dare ya!

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 11:58 PM

Come on Dan. I'm only hard on you because we are good pals. What kind of friend would I be if I BS'ed you?

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:19 AM

You wouldn't be a friend at all if you were easy on me...Cave would benefit from some tough love!!

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:19 AM

Nicely done...cave and boot stripes, or just a fine line at the DWL, will really define the shape and take the puffy look out of the white hull. I find most designs look puffy until the DWL is in place.

And when you really think you are getting good, send a hi-def picture to Bob Perry and ask him to be honest. I dare ya!

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The white one is my Capri 26 - first one I tried to carve.
I don't really need to ask Bob. I can see.
(Besides, I hate it when Bob is honest with me. :( )
The after body is too deep for one thing.
I didn't have the guts to really cut deep then -
nor had I learned the value of a small handsaw yet!
It's from my own lines drawings, not like Rasputin does.

To match my boat, it gets a teal water line stripe and cove stripe
and a tan rub rail. And a blue bottom, of course.
All of that should work wonders on it.

The first 27 is a lot better, I think.
That's the one in the photo.
Once the rudder is hung, anyway.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 01:37 AM

Cave

Bob will be honest but fair...but mostly honest. ;)

They both are quite good...and I'm not being nice. What I have learned is more than anything your "eye" will improve more than your hands. Bob sees things that I just don't see. Now I'm starting to see them.

The shape of the "first 27" is much crisper, just take a hard look midship at the sheer. There is a lump there that needs some attention...or it's just glare, but take a good look.

For some reason I see more flaws in pictures of my work than in reality. I've quit letting it piss me off, and started using it as a tool.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:11 AM

Cave

Bob will be honest but fair...but mostly honest. ;)

They both are quite good...and I'm not being nice. What I have learned is more than anything your "eye" will improve more than your hands. Bob sees things that I just don't see. Now I'm starting to see them.

The shape of the "first 27" is much crisper, just take a hard look midship at the sheer. There is a lump there that needs some attention...or it's just glare, but take a good look.

For some reason I see more flaws in pictures of my work than in reality. I've quit letting it piss me off, and started using it as a tool.



I was referring to my first Catalina 27 there.
Not my first First 27... is there one of those?... but I confuse easily these days...
Sorry.
I'll look at it very carefully, but I think that hump is actually a dip a little bit forward.

BTW, I've used photos that way for ages.
Although I'd not be able to explain exactly why that happens.
It for sure does.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 02:49 AM

You mean THAT hump?
It turns out it was a hump after all - but in the hull - not so much in the shear line.
Funny how that three dimensional stuff works.
And how wood works too.

I think it's better now.
May still need just a touch off the top of the rail there, but I'll look at it in the
light of day before tearing into it again.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 03:14 AM

Cave,I see in that last picture you have a long tube fluorescent near you. Use it to see unfairness in your glossy hull. If th reflection is smooth the hull is locally fair. If it dips or gives you a fisheye then there is a bump or hollow. Lightly rub your hand ovet the spot and you should be able to detect the problem area. It takes a little time and practice.

For fairing the hull when sanding lightly spray it with some contrasting primer. Then use a thin piece of plastic as a sanding board. Use something that bends to the general contour of the hull,not to stiff, not too wimpy,that you can get 2-3 fingers on. When you sand, the "board" will bridge the hollows where the paint will remain or it will sand the paint/wood off the high spots.

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 04:10 AM

Good point Jose,

Surfboard shapers usually had flourescent tubes in boxes that let just a slot of light out on either side of the shaping table. These lights cast a linear light across the foam blank as it was being shaped and gave a indication of the symmetry and contours of the board as the shaping process progressed. I have display options in Rhino that do much the same to give visual clues as to the fairness of a surface and it works much the same as the surfboard shapers lightboxes. Reflections magnify what is really going on on a surface and many a carefully faired and primed hull reveals a multitude of flaws when the first coat of reflective topcoat goes on. Black topcoat is the worst, it will show every little flaw!

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:29 AM

No, the bow is still on the pointy end!

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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:04 AM

My Catalina 27 fleet - one coming - one going?

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 12:47 AM

Looking good cave, yeh I think you could go with a clear finish, why the hell not :)



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The clear finish (bright or varnish (damit)) WILL happen - some day. (I hope)

It looks pretty cool.
Did you see that pic of Rasputin's alternating light/dark lifts.
That would be so beautiful (if it were really real ;) )

But I got really fed up with all my assorted frustrations today.
(dealing with VA can do that to a person)

Hung up the phone (I can't hear it anyway),
turned off the computer,
tossed my files and sandpaper back in the toolbox,
and went sailing instead!

It was 74 degrees today.
Nice warm south breeze - 15 gusting 20.

Solo - no rail meat.

Damn, I really needed that.

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 01:17 AM

You could use a bit of cunningham, you smug bastard lucky guy. :)

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 04:43 AM

:)

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:32 PM

It's been awhile but cataract surgery, a cold and obccessive compulsive fussiness have at least resulted in a very pretty hull.

The client changed his mind and went from red antifouling to blue. It's amazing the transformation...from an aggressive looking hull to a classy refined look. Both are winning looks in my mind.

She has been a struggle, and every minute of this struggle has been enjoyable. Great boat, great client :)

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 11:42 PM

Mighty purtty there mister Gate.




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