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#1 Swanno (Ohf Shore)

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 06:26 AM

Shaw 650 on the weekend. I am just editing footage fron the stern mounted camera now.

http://www.youtube.c...e=youtube_gdata

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:16 AM

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=2-a-BuWn84U

Thanks Swompy :) :).

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:21 AM

video from the back of the boat
http://www.youtube.c...e=youtube_gdata

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:43 AM

Is this taking on a go pro? If so try licking the lens. It may sound different but it helps to keep the drops off the out side of the Lens. Great vids tho gave me some new idears when we go in. Never pulled the kite over the jib like that we just let the halyard go and clean up after but that is very costly in time compared to your capsize.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:00 PM

Ha thats some funny shit the skipper calls to get rid of it but keeps the boat powered up, must of did his apprenticeship on yachts :lol: :lol:

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:30 PM

Is this taking on a go pro? If so try licking the lens. It may sound different but it helps to keep the drops off the out side of the Lens. Great vids tho gave me some new idears when we go in. Never pulled the kite over the jib like that we just let the halyard go and clean up after but that is very costly in time compared to your capsize.


Thanks for the tip :). Yes, taken on two go pros. We knew it was going to be a pretty good day!

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 10:32 PM

Ha thats some funny shit the skipper calls to get rid of it but keeps the boat powered up, must of did his apprenticeship on yachts :lol: :lol:


:lol: He could have done his time on a skateboard and he'd still have handled it better than most.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 11:40 PM

Ha thats some funny shit the skipper calls to get rid of it but keeps the boat powered up, must of did his apprenticeship on yachts :lol: :lol:


Haha, its actually funny how the two people who grew up in Dinghy’s were straight over onto the keel yet the two who spent most of their time sailing with a heavy keel were left in the cockpit wondering what the hell just happened.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:01 AM

Just wondering, I understand the 650 came with two bulb options, a lighter and a heavier. Which does this boat have?

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 12:52 AM

Production boats are all the heavier bulb, it was only the home builts from NZ which had the lighter bulbs

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:13 AM

Which is this?

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:18 AM

Which is this?

This one now has a production keel in it.
It arrived with the light version but has since swapped it out

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 01:22 AM

So in the video...this is with the heavy bulb? Seems to go over pretty easy.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 02:56 AM

Nice footage, great to see shaws are self righting with two on the board lol.

Love how they get it up and straight back into it.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 04:09 AM

So in the video...this is with the heavy bulb? Seems to go over pretty easy.


:D yes, this was the heavy bulb but naaaa, they don't usually go over easy. The conditions were pretty squally at times. It was a real gentle fall over and yeah, popped up really quickly (50 seconds). Bloody good fun :). It was up there as one of the best days I've had on the water!

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 04:17 AM

So in the video...this is with the heavy bulb? Seems to go over pretty easy.


Well a fair old chunk of rail meat (me) jumped off the rail just at the wrong time to fire the kite halyard but i tried to get back out when i felt the boat lean. unfortunately if i had fired the halyard on the first attempt, or not jumped off the rail, i think the boat would have stayed upright.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 04:28 AM

So in the video...this is with the heavy bulb? Seems to go over pretty easy.


there is only about 25kgs diffrence between the keels, and there was only about 30+ that came on very sudenly. we had all sortas on about 100m infrount of these guys only with out kite up

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:50 AM

Nice footage, great to see shaws are self righting with two on the board lol.

Love how they get it up and straight back into it.


Yeah fell over in 2nd and popped back up in 2nd B) JUST A SHIT LOAD OF FUN

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:52 AM

I could lift the light bulb and keel and walk around without too much trouble so I would guess maybe 60 kilos.
Nice, in this condition we would have been a bit further back in the boat hiking really hard and laying over like that is alot slower with the light bulb.
For the drop usually we would try to gybe, keep the genny to windward and drop against the jib.

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 08:55 AM

Hey verge, what do you think of your old toy with the chicken chute up and falling in ? hahaha

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 10:09 AM

Seeing that made me think how much I miss it :(.
I was lucky enough to sail with Rob and others that made it all seem easy.
With some time in the boat you will just get faster and faster. :D

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Posted 05 November 2012 - 02:10 PM

Is this taking on a go pro? If so try licking the lens. It may sound different but it helps to keep the drops off the out side of the Lens. Great vids tho gave me some new idears when we go in. Never pulled the kite over the jib like that we just let the halyard go and clean up after but that is very costly in time compared to your capsize.


Yeah both on Gopro, mine is a Hero on a head mount, the other is a hero 2

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:09 AM

I mount my hero 2 on the boom of the knuckles have some good vid so far 1 of the fishes during a capsize after a gybe.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 08:00 AM

You need to get the footage up for us all to see B)

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 08:13 AM

good stuff ;_) we've seen a few angles like that from time to time ;_)

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:29 AM

Maybe I will see what I can do.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 11:29 AM

To me they look a bit like a Cherub less the hard chines aft. Looks like you've got to right them like one too!

Great work boys!

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 12:26 PM

http://www.youtube.c...e=youtube_gdata

First crack at proper editing so please scuse some parts missing....

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:24 AM

What was the course? Looked like mostly reaching/downwind...Wish we sailed more of that here...Boat looks like a blast! What speeds were you hitting with just white sails in those squalls?

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:28 AM

Ha thats some funny shit the skipper calls to get rid of it but keeps the boat powered up, must of did his apprenticeship on yachts :lol: :lol:


I've done foredeck for a few owners like that over the years. They never seemed to drive down till I and half the crew were being dragged across the deck and over the side. Ahhh yes the good old days. Now I drive my own boat and my crew enjoy handling the spinnaker given its always ready to come down when I call for it.

But hey - good video - always more fun screwing around on boats vs say working.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:01 AM

What was the course? Looked like mostly reaching/downwind...Wish we sailed more of that here...Boat looks like a blast! What speeds were you hitting with just white sails in those squalls?


Top speed was 14.7 with white sails :). Was mostly reaching. Only had the boat a few months and yeah, these boats are without question, best fun ever :)!

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 05:47 AM

What was the course? Looked like mostly reaching/downwind...Wish we sailed more of that here...Boat looks like a blast! What speeds were you hitting with just white sails in those squalls?


Yeah the river runs on a SW/NE direction with the breeze blowing from the NW/N so it was lots of reaching and a very small amount of true windward stuff. Breeze was very shifty and as quick as the breeze picked up, it went away again so at times we were all hiking and at other times i was sitting to leeward. The north westerly is a prick like that due to it coming off the land and being being fussy on days of cloud and rain.

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 10:09 AM

To me they look a bit like a Cherub less the hard chines aft. Looks like you've got to right them like one too!

Great work boys!


AND GIRL POWER B)

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 06:48 PM


What was the course? Looked like mostly reaching/downwind...Wish we sailed more of that here...Boat looks like a blast! What speeds were you hitting with just white sails in those squalls?


Yeah the river runs on a SW/NE direction with the breeze blowing from the NW/N so it was lots of reaching and a very small amount of true windward stuff. Breeze was very shifty and as quick as the breeze picked up, it went away again so at times we were all hiking and at other times i was sitting to leeward. The north westerly is a prick like that due to it coming off the land and being being fussy on days of cloud and rain.


Rock on! Hope to get more of these up to the states. Raced against one in Newport a few weeks ago and it was hauling ass...Beat most of the big boats and won their class easily...Finished 4:40 after the better sailed J111 after a 20 mile circular course in 15-20 knts...Beat lots of other boats, but thought that was a decent comparison...It was also 17 and 20 mins ahead of the two VX Ones in it's class. Those are elapsed times for the record...

EDIT: Oh yea, if you care about rating, it also corrected over every other boat in the 68 boat spread by a min and half...

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:38 PM

By the way on the U20 450lbs of lead 6ft down - I always had to keep the dinghy sailors from jumping ship if we were knocked down. Also I found that in some conditions it was far better keeping the boat on its side and dousing the kite then popping back up vs getting the boat back up only to beat the living crap out of the rig and A-sail. Which case the conditions where the on the side douse were almost always the same conditions the dinghy sailors were jumping over the side to stand on the keel the opposite of what I wanted ha ha.

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 10:23 AM

BTW big respect to see the pornstar sailing shirt still being used somewhere ;_)

Manic is the boat that did a bit of a giant killing effort over in Newport....we've just sent another boat over to Australia last week and have another 4 already in production 2 for Aussie 2 for USA and so it is all coming together. It's hard to understand how quick these boats can be until you line them up against something quick....and downwind or reaching it is, as our Aussie mates might say, "toooo eeeeezey!" to blow past them.*

* unless you are on your side in the drink**
** or Verge tied the kite sheets on and you are trying to sheet on using a newfangled never ending sheet knot that isn't attached to the clew***
*** or you blame Verge, for your own screw ups in setting the boat up :_)

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 01:29 PM

BTW big respect to see the pornstar sailing shirt still being used somewhere ;_)

Manic is the boat that did a bit of a giant killing effort over in Newport....we've just sent another boat over to Australia last week and have another 4 already in production 2 for Aussie 2 for USA and so it is all coming together. It's hard to understand how quick these boats can be until you line them up against something quick....and downwind or reaching it is, as our Aussie mates might say, "toooo eeeeezey!" to blow past them.*

* unless you are on your side in the drink**
** or Verge tied the kite sheets on and you are trying to sheet on using a newfangled never ending sheet knot that isn't attached to the clew***
*** or you blame Verge, for your own screw ups in setting the boat up :_)


Gotta be on a shaw thing I guess B)

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:14 PM


BTW big respect to see the pornstar sailing shirt still being used somewhere ;_)

Manic is the boat that did a bit of a giant killing effort over in Newport....we've just sent another boat over to Australia last week and have another 4 already in production 2 for Aussie 2 for USA and so it is all coming together. It's hard to understand how quick these boats can be until you line them up against something quick....and downwind or reaching it is, as our Aussie mates might say, "toooo eeeeezey!" to blow past them.*

* unless you are on your side in the drink**
** or Verge tied the kite sheets on and you are trying to sheet on using a newfangled never ending sheet knot that isn't attached to the clew***u
*** or you blame Verge, for your own screw ups in setting the boat up :_)


Gotta be on a shaw thing I guess B)


Not only can he single handedly lift the keel but you can blame him for your own screw ups!

We need a 'Verge' for our boat Sticky Broom!

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 02:56 PM

BTW big respect to see the pornstar sailing shirt still being used somewhere ;_)

Manic is the boat that did a bit of a giant killing effort over in Newport....we've just sent another boat over to Australia last week and have another 4 already in production 2 for Aussie 2 for USA and so it is all coming together. It's hard to understand how quick these boats can be until you line them up against something quick....and downwind or reaching it is, as our Aussie mates might say, "toooo eeeeezey!" to blow past them.*

* unless you are on your side in the drink**
** or Verge tied the kite sheets on and you are trying to sheet on using a newfangled never ending sheet knot that isn't attached to the clew***
*** or you blame Verge, for your own screw ups in setting the boat up :_)


They were trucking for sure...I was on a swan 42 and it took about 15 miles or so to catch them after their 10 min head start...I think we beat them by ~10 mins in the end but they corrected out well in front of us...Impressive sailing for sure, both boat and crew...

Great to see a few more heading up this way. I think the bug is slowly catching on! Fast is fun! Its also nice not to have to wrangle 8+ crew for every race...

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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:20 PM

.It was also 17 and 20 mins ahead of the two VX Ones in it's class. Those are elapsed times for the record...



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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:46 PM

By the way on the U20 450lbs of lead 6ft down - I always had to keep the dinghy sailors from jumping ship if we were knocked down. Also I found that in some conditions it was far better keeping the boat on its side and dousing the kite then popping back up vs getting the boat back up only to beat the living crap out of the rig and A-sail. Which case the conditions where the on the side douse were almost always the same conditions the dinghy sailors were jumping over the side to stand on the keel the opposite of what I wanted ha ha.


On the Shaw a snuffer would facilitate that nicely. Dunno why it doesn't have one.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 06:25 AM


By the way on the U20 450lbs of lead 6ft down - I always had to keep the dinghy sailors from jumping ship if we were knocked down. Also I found that in some conditions it was far better keeping the boat on its side and dousing the kite then popping back up vs getting the boat back up only to beat the living crap out of the rig and A-sail. Which case the conditions where the on the side douse were almost always the same conditions the dinghy sailors were jumping over the side to stand on the keel the opposite of what I wanted ha ha.


On the Shaw a snuffer would facilitate that nicely. Dunno why it doesn't have one.


Octopussy another shaw over here has a zero on a furler which works really well B)

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 01:38 PM

Shaw 650 on the weekend. I am just editing footage fron the stern mounted camera now.

thanks for the vid
what's the thing with pulling the kite up on top of the jib ? do you do that on purpose to avoid shrimping ? do you pull the kite over and only then release the halyard ?
please let me know because last time we came down hard like this, the boat wouldn't come back up (blowing about 25kts) so we released the kite halyard and of course the whole thing was a mess once the boat came upright

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 01:49 PM


.It was also 17 and 20 mins ahead of the two VX Ones in it's class. Those are elapsed times for the record...


Shaw 650 on the weekend. I am just editing footage fron the stern mounted camera now.

thanks for the vid
what's the thing with pulling the kite up on top of the jib ? do you do that on purpose to avoid shrimping ? do you pull the kite over and only then release the halyard ?
please let me know because last time we came down hard like this, the boat wouldn't come back up (blowing about 25kts) so we released the kite halyard and of course the whole thing was a mess once the boat came upright


The halyard and the tackline were let go first. The boys were pulling the kite around to get it out of the water. Standing on the keel bought her up.

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Posted 12 November 2012 - 07:21 PM

Coming from slightly heaver boats this video makes my wonder why sport boats don't have jib furlers and main reef point.
Leaving the job to just flail away looks like senceless destruction of hy-tech cloth (how much would a furler weight for that tiny sail? 3 pounds?)
Also it would seem like throwing in a double reef and keeping the a sail up would be quicker then having to sail white sail.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 12:33 AM

Coming from slightly heaver boats this video makes my wonder why sport boats don't have jib furlers and main reef point.
Leaving the job to just flail away looks like senceless destruction of hy-tech cloth (how much would a furler weight for that tiny sail? 3 pounds?)
Also it would seem like throwing in a double reef and keeping the a sail up would be quicker then having to sail white sail.


Thats because you have come from heavier boats! We all dont do it for a reason!

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:21 AM

Coming from slightly heaver boats this video makes my wonder why sport boats don't have jib furlers and main reef point.
Leaving the job to just flail away looks like senceless destruction of hy-tech cloth (how much would a furler weight for that tiny sail? 3 pounds?)
Also it would seem like throwing in a double reef and keeping the a sail up would be quicker then having to sail white sail.


Dont forget o add a backstay as well...
Looks like they were sailing it too hot, as soon as the wing touches the water they slow down rather fast so two sailing it and still being mid teens would be the best bet.

We were sailing one a while ago on a windward leward course and managed to turtle it u wind but still easily flew he A downwind, gusts into high 30s from memory

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:23 AM

Before anyone gets worried it was a NZ boat with a light bulb as well

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:31 AM


Coming from slightly heaver boats this video makes my wonder why sport boats don't have jib furlers and main reef point.
Leaving the job to just flail away looks like senceless destruction of hy-tech cloth (how much would a furler weight for that tiny sail? 3 pounds?)
Also it would seem like throwing in a double reef and keeping the a sail up would be quicker then having to sail white sail.


Dont forget o add a backstay as well...
Looks like they were sailing it too hot, as soon as the wing touches the water they slow down rather fast so two sailing it and still being mid teens would be the best bet.

We were sailing one a while ago on a windward leward course and managed to turtle it u wind but still easily flew he A downwind, gusts into high 30s from memory


Yeah too hot, though we were trying to get up to mark B) when the gust shifted about 30 degrees and built from 20 to about 28 knots

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:32 AM

Before anyone gets worried it was a NZ boat with a light bulb as well


Na this one has had the production fin fitted with the heavier bulb B) still no concerns though

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:04 AM


Before anyone gets worried it was a NZ boat with a light bulb as well


Na this one has had the production fin fitted with the heavier bulb B)/> still no concerns though


I meant the one we turtled... we had to pinch marks a few times, we almost always had the big chute on the boat and the trimmer could usually fold the luff over so we could hold it a bit longer . Its always fun sailing them in mixed keelboat fleets when its hard not to be in the low teens on the start line. you guys are lucky having plenty of sport boats

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 06:55 AM



Before anyone gets worried it was a NZ boat with a light bulb as well


Na this one has had the production fin fitted with the heavier bulb B)/> still no concerns though


I meant the one we turtled... we had to pinch marks a few times, we almost always had the big chute on the boat and the trimmer could usually fold the luff over so we could hold it a bit longer . Its always fun sailing them in mixed keelboat fleets when its hard not to be in the low teens on the start line. you guys are lucky having plenty of sport boats


Yeah we had a great short course regatta last weekend with 8 windward leeward races and about 12 sporties out there. We should have knocked off the vipers for the first time in the type of regatta but unfortunately stripped a turnbuckle and dropped the rig before race 5 Sunday morning. Managed to get it back up and on the water for race 6,7 and 8. lost by 2 point on SMS to the vipers. We will get them next time B)

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 10:01 AM

Coming from slightly heaver boats this video makes my wonder why sport boats don't have jib furlers and main reef point.
Leaving the job to just flail away looks like senceless destruction of hy-tech cloth (how much would a furler weight for that tiny sail? 3 pounds?)
Also it would seem like throwing in a double reef and keeping the a sail up would be quicker then having to sail white sail.


To provide a bit of context, or a heavier earlier generation sportsboat or a bigger boat doing long distance racing, maybe reefing etc would be a good plan; however for this type of 6.5m boat, reefing would result in a less than ideal sail shape, and in the Shaw 650s, we can carry a full main up to 30+ knots no problem at all, downwind you want all the area you can get, upwind, you learn to sail the boat dumping power and the square tops are fairly automatic in how they release power.

The 650 does have 2 jibs, and we change over to the smaller jib in around 20+ knots.

A furler however doesn't help. Downwind these boats you do not sail with the wind aft of beam much, you sail on apparent and the boat stays planing in all wind above about 10 knots (unlike some other sportsboats with smallish kites and short prods where there is a sub planing mode where you sail them in displacement mode quite deep for which a furler probably helps, the Shaw has the best VMG when you stay planing and you steer up and down on every wave, every gust so more area is usually a good thing).

As the wind is almost always coming across the boat, the jib is actually helping a little; it also has several other major advantages. Firstly, in gybing, these boats have a nice long pole and a masthead kite so they gybe fairly easily since the gap is quite decent from the luff to the forestay, but by keeping the jib up, the sail never binds on the forestay; we now even see sportsboats like the M24 (big rig, big bulb, shorter prod) sailing like this as well; it's faster and easier not to be fluffing around with the jib. Also, the jib, if you do lay it over (perhaps slightly less than these guys), the jib enables you to steer the boat downwind on its side when the rudder isn't gripping, and you can then get the boat flat and shoot off again.

Plus also it gets the guy doing bow something to do, and provides plenty of ammunition at the bar to say, well while you were fudging up the drop and also didn't get all the controls on the main sorted to flatten out the main and you weren't serving drinks fast enough and you weren't hiking enough, you also did an awful job trimming the jib. As anyone knows, giving a bowman 'constructive feedback' is always a good thing ;_)

To put in perspective, sailing with 2 sails, we have had the Shaws up here going up to 20 knots steering through a pretty wide angle, it isn't slow to sail without the kite if there is enough breeze; the Shaws have a fairly small rig and are easy to get planing and most importantly, they stay planing very easily. You can see the modern designs in Australia and NZ are mostly down this end of the design approach; medium sized rigs, light weight boats, easily driven. Simple controls (no traveller, no reefing lines, no furlers, no masthead+ fractional kite hoists) and keep everything light and then you can focus on sailing the boat instead of fidgeting around with tons of ropes everywhere.

You learn to sail the boat flat and because the boats are light, the sails last for ages anyhow. We used the same Pentex main now as 4 years ago, and have during that time given the boat many thrashings and treated the sails poorly...no problem (ok it is pretty nackered now though, but that's ok, I will make the bowman buy a new one, as it is his fault for not prepping the boat properly). (somehow).

In the case of tight reaches, that is the one time where sail area is not much of a friend if it is windy and you are running a kite, so it requires a little planning and some luck if you are squeezing to get to get up to a mark. Seems like luck ran out this time around ;_) but better to have a quick planing boat and always hoist first and worry about everything else later, otherwise you end up running the risk of looking not so cool.

And we don't sail to look not so cool. And any lack of coolness...well you can blame the bowman for that.

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Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:18 PM

Looked like good fun to me.
No drama in the broach. The boat sat there patiently waiting for the crew to finish laughing and put her back on her feet.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:26 AM

Looked like good fun to me.
No drama in the broach. The boat sat there patiently waiting for the crew to finish laughing and put her back on her feet.


Your spot on MK, just waited till the kite was on its way down and moved about half a metre further out on the fin and up she came B) and yes giggle our arse off.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 07:46 AM

Things a porn star alright, one little slap and it flops right down on its back, and stays down. Seems to like it. Won't get back up until two dudes double-team its tail. Should name it "Charlie Sheen's Girlfriend".

Fast=check
Fun=check
Self-righting=huge uncheck.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:36 AM

Heriberto, It's self righting as any other light weight sportsboats with a decent sized kite in decent breeze; has more lead in the bulb than the similarly sized Viper (which IMHO has no issues at all and is also considered a self righting boat), no volume in the wings so it sits on its side waiting patiently until the kite is 'unstuck' from the water. This is the modern style of sailing this type of boat, for better or worse.

The best way of course is not to lean it over this far in the first place! Once you put the crew on the wrong side and the kite goes in the water...well then you have to tidy things up a bit :_)

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 08:53 AM

Things a porn star alright, one little slap and it flops right down on its back, and stays down. Seems to like it. Won't get back up until two dudes double-team its tail. Should name it "Charlie Sheen's Girlfriend".

Fast=check
Fun=check
Self-righting=huge uncheck.


A few things come to mind: girls blouse, chicken shit, yeah that about does it.

;) :D

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:19 AM

Things a porn star alright, one little slap and it flops right down on its back, and stays down. Seems to like it. Won't get back up until two dudes double-team its tail. Should name it "Charlie Sheen's Girlfriend".

Fast=check
Fun=check
Self-righting=huge uncheck.


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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:28 PM

like an ancient ally 60 footer Offy??? :P

Looks like heaps of fun.. Hope to join you guys out there soon. With as much rag as we can fit... but on a "Self Righting" Sporty.. Just wish Traps where allowed!

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 02:41 PM

Not making a value judgment, just an observation, I'm sure they are a lot of fun. I enjoyed the hell out of my I14.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:57 PM

Looks like it self rights a hellva sight better than a J24.

Actually self righting is an objective test specified by an international standard. I am reasonably sure (pun intended) that the Shaw passes the test.

To my eye, the real test thought is that there was no drama. The boat was not going upside down while they got over their giggle fit and sorted themselves out. Hell, they could have cold ones stored in the side lockers, pass them round and have a swift bevvy standing on the leeward tanks before attending to business. But they seemed keen to rejoin the race.

Sport boats can get pinned down temporarily by the chutes after a bad broach. When a boat like this goes on its side its a giggle and "Oh Shit" moment rather than that terrifying moment on a heavier boat when gear gets broken and people get hurt. I've never sailed a Shaw but a vid like this shows me that the people that sail them can laugh at themselves, and if you dont have the occasional splat you are not having enough fun. Frankly,it makes me want to go for a ride.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:46 PM

Not making a value judgment, just an observation, I'm sure they are a lot of fun. I enjoyed the hell out of my I14.


Yeah, sorry. I was just teasing ;). If you were in Perth I'd be telling you to come out for a sail before making up your mind. This is not something that happens often and the conditions were extreme - at times - if you look at the extended versio, later it looks like a balmy summers day :D.

Mambo Kings really gets it. Been sailing sporties for a while?

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 10:54 PM

Mambo Kings really gets it. Been sailing sporties for a while?

I'm led to believe he only crashes his Viper when the pressure is on at the end of a major regatta! :P

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 11:58 PM


Mambo Kings really gets it. Been sailing sporties for a while?

I'm led to believe he only crashes his Viper when the pressure is on at the end of a major regatta! :P/>


Oh, no!!! :D :D Poor thing!

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:29 AM

Looks like it self rights a hellva sight better than a J24.

Actually self righting is an objective test specified by an international standard. I am reasonably sure (pun intended) that the Shaw passes the test.

To my eye, the real test thought is that there was no drama. The boat was not going upside down while they got over their giggle fit and sorted themselves out. Hell, they could have cold ones stored in the side lockers, pass them round and have a swift bevvy standing on the leeward tanks before attending to business. But they seemed keen to rejoin the race.

Sport boats can get pinned down temporarily by the chutes after a bad broach. When a boat like this goes on its side its a giggle and "Oh Shit" moment rather than that terrifying moment on a heavier boat when gear gets broken and people get hurt. I've never sailed a Shaw but a vid like this shows me that the people that sail them can laugh at themselves, and if you dont have the occasional splat you are not having enough fun. Frankly,it makes me want to go for a ride.


Here here Mambo King, you really do get it B) If you make it DOWN UNDER sometime your more than welcome to come for a ride.

Sports boat sailors united and going fast no matter which weapon you choose B)

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:33 AM

like an ancient ally 60 footer Offy??? :P

Looks like heaps of fun.. Hope to join you guys out there soon. With as much rag as we can fit... but on a "Self Righting" Sporty.. Just wish Traps where allowed!


Im lucky enough to see both sides of the displacement line. I think the blue boat was splashed with you were 1!


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Posted 16 November 2012 - 12:10 PM

Very versatile, Mr Swompy! :)

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 03:09 PM

Very versatile, Mr Swompy! :)/>


Bit lucky arnt I

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 03:56 AM

Newbie alert!!!!!! Sorry no tits, still looking for the next f-ing bitch to give another house too.

M32 wipe outs are the best. We all just laughed our guts out........for ages. Even finished a Hammo race in Dent Passage on our ear doing 8 knots sideways!!!!! Laugh, I nearly crapped myself.

Scaled down to a M24 ( less mates required ) fewer smack downs and pretty similar boatspeed dw.

Sports boats, if you don't throw a kite up in 30kts, why are you there? Takes the pressure off the rig as you hit hi teens early twenties!

Fast is......fast!

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 08:51 AM

Things a porn star alright, one little slap and it flops right down on its back, and stays down. Seems to like it. Won't get back up until two dudes double-team its tail. Should name it "Charlie Sheen's Girlfriend".

Fast=check
Fun=check
Self-righting=huge uncheck.

A check of the rules will show that self righting is term that doesn't apply. "resistance to capsize" does however. Two different things.

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 12:58 PM

Shaw 650 - 2012 ASBA Victorian champs? 4 Bullets???

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 04:37 PM


Looks like it self rights a hellva sight better than a J24.

Actually self righting is an objective test specified by an international standard. I am reasonably sure (pun intended) that the Shaw passes the test.

To my eye, the real test thought is that there was no drama. The boat was not going upside down while they got over their giggle fit and sorted themselves out. Hell, they could have cold ones stored in the side lockers, pass them round and have a swift bevvy standing on the leeward tanks before attending to business. But they seemed keen to rejoin the race.

Sport boats can get pinned down temporarily by the chutes after a bad broach. When a boat like this goes on its side its a giggle and "Oh Shit" moment rather than that terrifying moment on a heavier boat when gear gets broken and people get hurt. I've never sailed a Shaw but a vid like this shows me that the people that sail them can laugh at themselves, and if you dont have the occasional splat you are not having enough fun. Frankly,it makes me want to go for a ride.


Here here Mambo King, you really do get it B) If you make it DOWN UNDER sometime your more than welcome to come for a ride.

Sports boat sailors united and going fast no matter which weapon you choose B)


I met the girls from "Alice" and the rest of the Perth contingent when they were over here for the Viper North Americans. I must say that I have added the Swan River to my bucket list . I would love to come and sail with all of you. It isnt going to be this year...but I am going to do this one day.

Rockhead is referring to my cartwheel on the penultimate leg of the final race of the 2011 NAs in Sania. It was spectacular, pushing a bit too hard, coming off the back of one wave, put nose deep into the next wave, arse over tit broach. What made it particularly hard to bear was that Ultra was right behind me and there is nothing quite nothing as annoying as being passed by a bunch of laughing and yee hawing Texans. (Sadly this was the second time in two years).
At the next windward mark, we were right behind the Texans, Ultra and the Monkey (who had combined forces for this regatta), breeze was "ON" so as I manually signalled the crew for the hoist , we paused to see if Ultra could be suckered to go for a 2 sails run. Ultra wasnt falling for it and stood looking back and moment our clew appeared, so did theirs. Man, that last downwind was a sleigh ride! I was thinking all sorts of unsportsman like thoughts as I willed them to broach but who gives a damn we both flew downwind and I wouldnt trade that ride for all the tea in China.

If we come to the Swan River, see if we can persuade Ultra to make the trip as well. I can guarantee some agressive partying and lots of laughs on the race course..




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