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[Ishmael]

Can't be too long before this sock gets bounced just like the last one.

Scooter's given him one warning, and he continues to be a twat. Time's up.

[floating dutchman]

Is this thread about a boat or a twat?

Twice I've asked a simple question and everyone keeps talking about the twat. Well its getting the attention it wants.

[Ishmael]

Is this thread about a boat or a twat?

Twice I've asked a simple question and everyone keeps talking about the twat. Well its getting the attention it wants.

In response, I'd guess it still has a keel because it's right side up. It may be a very short wing keel, in which case it's now a giant Bruce anchor.

[mad]

But you win on all points

[sailglobal]

Yeah, that sums you up pretty well Stuffa, (or is it Hamish) "irrelevant"

['No.6]

Anyone want to guess if the keel is buried in the sand or fallen off?

Looks like to me in that pick that it could not have a keel.

Nah. Keels bury rather quickly in sand with a little wave action.

[Bob Perry]

I'm not in the angry and bitter mood tonight. I have my granddaughter here.
I think I'll just spend the rest of my day feeling happy and grateful.
Bitter is such a pain in the ass.
How can I look at Violet and not be the happiest guy in the world?

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[VALIS]

Bob, she's beautiful. Be happy. And with that right-hand technique she's going to be a great bassplayer.

Usually when someone is annoying, or somehow has even hurt my feelings (it happens from time to time), I take a step back and and ask myself "What must it be like to be them?" Usually they seem pretty miserable. That usually puts things in perspective.

[familysailor]

My diagnosis indicates painful hemorrhoids complicated by a world record case of constipation.... It's enough to make anyone miserable.

Perhaps we can take up a collection in order to send Staff a crap a shipping container full of Ex-Lax and preparation H.

[Paps]

Mad:
Makes one wonder what it takes to become an angry, bitter little man.

It usually starts with an undersize appendage and is then cemented by derision by various female partners during adolescence.

[Paps]

I think the keel is in the sand and looks like part of the rig over the Stb side so it may have only come down as she came ashore.

[Bob Perry]

Paul:
i'll have her playing with the same textbook perfect technique just like her daddy. I used to watch him and marvel that he did it effortlessly just the way I knew it should be done. He was one of those weird kids who listened to his old man.
Today he rarely picks up his bass. He plays a Getsch 6 string now. It's a shame. He was gifted bass player. But I understand, it's not much fun to sit around the house and play the bas.

[floating dutchman]

Is this thread about a boat or a twat?

Twice I've asked a simple question and everyone keeps talking about the twat. Well its getting the attention it wants.

In response, I'd guess it still has a keel because it's right side up. It may be a very short wing keel, in which case it's now a giant Bruce anchor.

Anyone want to guess if the keel is buried in the sand or fallen off?

Looks like to me in that pick that it could not have a keel.

Nah. Keels bury rather quickly in sand with a little wave action.

I think the keel is in the sand and looks like part of the rig over the Stb side so it may have only come down as she came ashore.

O.K. so still has the keel. Structural damage was one of the reasons for the abandon, When I saw the photo I thought "does that thing still have a keel?"
I'd abandon if the keel was about to fall off.

[mad]

Mad:
Makes one wonder what it takes to become an angry, bitter little man.

No idea, but lifes too frikken short to through it like that.

[Weyalan]

Sockpuppet's spleen and bile aside, one of his points is, I think, interesting:

 

While it is terribly unfortunate that mistakes in judgement and / or circumstances (beyond their control) forced the owners of the yacht to make the decision to abandon ship, emotions aside, should they be held responsible for the cost of cleaning up the physical mess resulting from that decision?

[Weyalan]

One of the reasons I ask the above question is that I have never been entirely comfortable with the quite common "choice" to go uninsured... because this seems like a good example whereby if you aren't insured, the loss is not just yours (in the loss of your boat), but also incurred by whoever has to clean up the mess because you can't afford to... and that doesn't sit well with me.

[sparau]

One of the reasons I ask the above question is that I have never been entirely comfortable with the quite common "choice" to go uninsured... because this seems like a good example whereby if you aren't insured, the loss is not just yours (in the loss of your boat), but also incurred by whoever has to clean up the mess because you can't afford to... and that doesn't sit well with me.

 

Is environmental clean up included in 3rd party policies?

[Weyalan]

No idea, but not sure if these guys (and certainly not others I know) had 3rd party. There are so many arguments about the rights and wrongs of insurance / self-insurance / no insurance / 3rd party (especially on that other forum for cruisers, but this case seems to illustrate why at least some insurance is the responsible way to go.

[Soñadora]

holy shit, are those EPIRBs still transmitting?

[svpahto]

OK, I'll stir the pot. What ever happened to self reliance? (Hey, I love life as much as the next guy - I too would activate the EPIRB, as I stepped up into the life raft). So I ask this question: should anyone put to sea on an ocean passage without a fit-for-purpose boat, enough spares, knowledge, food, water, and determination to make it to shore again in their own vessel? Many of the great cruising sailors of the past generation endured crises that required, jury-rigging, hardship and persistence to make it home...have we become a bunch of wimps?

As a general rule, the answer to your question is "yes". I will repeat though, this is the general rule. I know a few cruising sailors who are absolutely self-reliant, and don't consider calling for help an option, only a necessity. Personally, I was upside down a few years ago between Tonga and New Zealand on a singlehanded passage. Thankfully the rig stayed up, but I took on a whole lot of water, and lost my radios, radar, and GPS. Epirb was in great shape, but I was floating, the rig was up, I had food and water, didn't seem to be an emergency to me. Medical emergencies aside, I have little respect for sailors who call for rescue from a floating vessel. Some people don't belong offshore.

 

I am sure the fishermen will be fine, they are a truly self-reliant sort. As for the sailors, I do hope the best for them, and that they make it home ok. I also hope the learn all appropriate lessons from their experience; Storm preperation, storm tactics, emergency plans of action, and so forth.