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[TeamGladiator]

Was looking at the Swiftsure entry list.  Terremotto rates +39 and Longboard, called a "Riptide 35" rate +12?  Wassup wit dat?  Politics or?

Ter is a Mark 1 boat from the 90s (?) or so and Longboard is a Mark 2 boat from last month.  Big differences.

The mark 1 boat also was not correctly converted to the new standard a couple of years ago by the former chief handicapper... Go figure... It got bigger sails and got slower... Go figure again. But hey he was maintaining the master database at his house and not at the business office or by the office manager so who really knows how many boats got this treatment without any records of changes or any review by the general council... Oh well it is PHRF after all.

[Asymptote]

 

Was looking at the Swiftsure entry list.  Terremotto rates +39 and Longboard, called a "Riptide 35" rate +12?  Wassup wit dat?  Politics or?

Ter is a Mark 1 boat from the 90s (?) or so and Longboard is a Mark 2 boat from last month.  Big differences.

The mark 1 boat also was not correctly converted to the new standard a couple of years ago by the former chief handicapper... Go figure... It got bigger sails and got slower... Go figure again. But hey he was maintaining the master database at his house and not at the business office or by the office manager so who really knows how many boats got this treatment without any records of changes or any review by the general council... Oh well it is PHRF after all.

I think that you will find that recent race results bear out the accuracy of Terremoto's +39 rating.  

 

Actually they are sailing the heck out of the boat.  Sailing it differently from previous owners upwind.  Apparently high and flat is fast.  Who knew.

[TeamGladiator]

 

Was looking at the Swiftsure entry list.  Terremotto rates +39 and Longboard, called a "Riptide 35" rate +12?  Wassup wit dat?  Politics or?

Ter is a Mark 1 boat from the 90s (?) or so and Longboard is a Mark 2 boat from last month.  Big differences.

The mark 1 boat also was not correctly converted to the new standard a couple of years ago by the former chief handicapper... Go figure... It got bigger sails and got slower... Go figure again. But hey he was maintaining the master database at his house and not at the business office or by the office manager so who really knows how many boats got this treatment without any records of changes or any review by the general council... Oh well it is PHRF after all.

I think that you will find that recent race results bear out the accuracy of Terremoto's +39 rating.  
 
Actually they are sailing the heck out of the boat.  Sailing it differently from previous owners upwind.  Apparently high and flat is fast.  Who knew.

Doesn't change the fact that, just like the BBC drama, the rating was changed outside of the stated policy for rating changes... Need more evidence of "rating conspiracy"? Take a look at the rating changes to the C&C 115... All done after a series of emails between the owner, rater and chief handicapper...no formal review, just changed.

[dogbone]

 

 

 

Was looking at the Swiftsure entry list.  Terremotto rates +39 and Longboard, called a "Riptide 35" rate +12?  Wassup wit dat?  Politics or?

Ter is a Mark 1 boat from the 90s (?) or so and Longboard is a Mark 2 boat from last month.  Big differences.

The mark 1 boat also was not correctly converted to the new standard a couple of years ago by the former chief handicapper... Go figure... It got bigger sails and got slower... Go figure again. But hey he was maintaining the master database at his house and not at the business office or by the office manager so who really knows how many boats got this treatment without any records of changes or any review by the general council... Oh well it is PHRF after all.

I think that you will find that recent race results bear out the accuracy of Terremoto's +39 rating.  
 
Actually they are sailing the heck out of the boat.  Sailing it differently from previous owners upwind.  Apparently high and flat is fast.  Who knew.

Doesn't change the fact that, just like the BBC drama, the rating was changed outside of the stated policy for rating changes... Need more evidence of "rating conspiracy"? Take a look at the rating changes to the C&C 115... All done after a series of emails between the owner, rater and chief handicapper...no formal review, just changed.

Dude, aren't you the one that tried to stage a hostle take over of the Chief Handicaper a couple years ago during the General meeting ?  against all rules of of the meeting agenda ?  like things had to be on the agenda 30 day in advance to be heard at the meeting but I gues that rule does not aply to you and you have the ability to change the rules to fit your agenda? 

[TeamGladiator]

Dude, aren't you the one that tried to stage a hostle take over of the Chief Handicaper a couple years ago during the General meeting ?  against all rules of of the meeting agenda ?  like things had to be on the agenda 30 day in advance to be heard at the meeting but I gues that rule does not aply to you and you have the ability to change the rules to fit your agenda? 

 

Doesn't change the fact that, just like the BBC drama, the rating was changed outside of the stated policy for rating changes... Need more evidence of "rating conspiracy"? Take a look at the rating changes to the C&C 115... All done after a series of emails between the owner, rater and chief handicapper...no formal review, just changed.

Nothing hostile and definitely not a take over.  Information was presented as part of the regional report where several handicappers were aware of inappropriate rating changes and had discussed that at an announced and public regional meeting; the regional report was certainly on the agenda, so nothing outside of the rules in presenting the information.  

There was obvious and valid concern of rating changes that were not being done within the rules.  Those implicated quickly acted to suppress the information and swept the whole thing under the carpet.  Time rolls on and along comes the BBC shenanigans... just another ongoing flaw with the current structure and leadership within PHRF-NW.

[water rat]

 

Dude, aren't you the one that tried to stage a hostle take over of the Chief Handicaper a couple years ago during the General meeting ?  against all rules of of the meeting agenda ?  like things had to be on the agenda 30 day in advance to be heard at the meeting but I gues that rule does not aply to you and you have the ability to change the rules to fit your agenda? 

 

Doesn't change the fact that, just like the BBC drama, the rating was changed outside of the stated policy for rating changes... Need more evidence of "rating conspiracy"? Take a look at the rating changes to the C&C 115... All done after a series of emails between the owner, rater and chief handicapper...no formal review, just changed.

Nothing hostile and definitely not a take over.  Information was presented as part of the regional report where several handicappers were aware of inappropriate rating changes and had discussed that at an announced and public regional meeting; the regional report was certainly on the agenda, so nothing outside of the rules in presenting the information.  

There was obvious and valid concern of rating changes that were not being done within the rules.  Those implicated quickly acted to suppress the information and swept the whole thing under the carpet.  Time rolls on and along comes the BBC shenanigans... just another ongoing flaw with the current structure and leadership within PHRF-NW.

Oh yeah! Rounding up support for your agenda minutes before the meeting started. Big pile of paper work handed out in the dark hallway with all your "evidence" against the CH. Sure seemed like a Coup d'état at the time and I still feel that way. I felt very blindsided by the whole affair.

[bigden]

Well seems like TG got schooled for being a punk hopefully the last anyone will hear from him.

[TeamGladiator]

Well let's see... I expose the rampant and clear rule violations by certain handicappers and the (now former) chief handicapper and I'm the bad guy.  Oh, I get it, you must be part of the problem instead of the solution.

 

Yeah, that's exactly what is wrong with the system and why people, clearly from this thread, continue to find PHRF-NW a joke.

[redmond]

PHRF-NW and the BBC have obviously mishandled the situation but since PHRF is currently the one and just about the only rating tool for keel boats in the Northwest, we need to fix it. Unfortunately, the fix is being made more difficult because of harsh personality conflicts. I clearly do not know what is going on behind the scenes but I would like to commend many of the big boat owners for not participating in the public bashing of the PHRF-NW folks. When one is being attacked personally, there is a tendency to dig in and that is just the opposite of what needs to happen here.

[Bcam]

So, after all the hub-bub, Icon is long course, PHRF? No IMS, IRC, ORC?

[PHRF Whipping Boy3]

AMENDMENT #3

TO THE

NOTICE OF RACE

FOR

 

THE THREE LONG COURSES

(The Swiftsure Lightship Classic, The Cape Flattery Races and The Juan de Fuca Race)

This amendment applies only to yachts wishing to be scored using their IRC handicap.

Yachts racing in the Swiftsure Lightship Classic and the Cape Flattery Unlimited may, in

addition to racing under a PHRF handicap, also choose to be scored under their IRC

handicap (2013 rules). Boats so choosing must have a 2013 IRC certificate (either endorsed

or non-endorsed). IRC Rules 2013, Parts A, B and C shall apply (i.e.; advertising is

allowed).

For yachts racing IRC, the yacht’s corrected time (CT) will be determined to the nearest

second by multiplying her elapsed time (ET) by her IRC time correction factor (TCC). The

Race Committee will publish a set of results with the lowest corrected time in each of the

two races.

In 2013 no trophies or prizes will be awarded for the IRC results.

The following IRC rule modifications will apply:

IRC Rule 15.1 (Stored power) shall not apply – boats are not permitted to use stored

power such as powered winches or autopilots during the race.

IRC Rule 21.6.1 (Spinnaker Limits) shall not apply – boats are not limited in the number

of spinnakers they may carry although they cannot carry a larger spinnaker than

specified in their IRC certificate.

Vern Burkhardt,

[Bcam]

Saw that. But I thought Icon was going to sail CFU so that there would be competition among IRC boats. How many of the long course boats will be rated under IRC?

[sloansailing]

Saw that. But I thought Icon was going to sail CFU so that there would be competition among IRC boats. How many of the long course boats will be rated under IRC?

 

So far as I know only one boat sailing Cape Flattery has an IRC cert and that is Flash.  New Haven is sailing Long Course, and if she doesn't have a current cert at least has a #.  Westerly has an IRC rating but is currently out of commission so won't be sailing.

 

With more larger/similar boats sailing Long Course that's what makes sense for ICON.  And cause we like the long course.