175 replies to this topic

[Bob Perry]

Well Anom, you know what Steve Martin said, "Some people have a way with words. Other people not have way."

[slap]

And notice we haven't heard from Slap in a while. He's fillin' up his hard drive with Dragon Car Porn.

I go for the hard stuff - Midget Dragon Car Porn!

[rattus32]

The S&S designed Concordia 52

Boomer, I was thinking "man, that's an awfully simple layout for a 52' boat" until I noticed the layout drawing was labeled "42 Foot Performance Cruiser" ;-)

Just sayin'...

Look closer, that's 42' DWL - Designed WaterLine length. I'm guessing that means 52' boat.

Just sayin'...

Good catch. I missed the DWL. Then I noticed the cockpit is above part of the galley, rather than an engine room - which might explain the high freeboard. Still looks like a pretty relaxed/uncramped layout for a 52 footer - which I like!

[Paps]

Back on subject, sheesh, centre cockpits..........

I think the motion, possible sickness thing is maybe something to do with the visuals. In the middle of the boat everything is moving around you and you need to do a 360 to scan the boat. Cockpit aft and all you need to scan is ahead, well unless the back stay goes all saggy.

Being wetter is a mixed bag and hard to quantify. Obviously a boat gets wetter as you go forward but most CC's are higher up. Generally speaking though if its really snotty I would rather be aft, no queation, oops ?.

[Greever]

Whenever I sail on an aft cockpit boat, I miss the visibility our centercockpit has.

Happy Turkeyday everyone!

[Ishmael]

Nobody has mentioned the Whitby 42 yet. It's not the most beautiful, but may well be the most popular cc.

[SemiSalt]

The Allied Mistress designed by Arthur Edmunds and said to be the first production CC with walk through.

[Jose Carumba]

Can't post pics from phone,but has anyone mentioned the Spencer 53 cc boats yet. Not too terrible looking and good blu water boats from what a friend of mine tells me.

Also the Cal 2-46 is ugly but I stll see many of them around.

[Steam Flyer]

Nobody has mentioned the Whitby 42 yet. It's not the most beautiful, but may well be the most popular cc.

Spent a good deal of time sailing one of those. They actually -sail- pretty well in terms of speed & balance; but they don't steer worth a dry poot. The one my friend had was modified with a larger rudder too. It was awkard doing work on deck with regard to running lines & getting in/out of the cockpit. Winch location was terrible. Cabin was a nice comfy practical layout, lots of stowage. My wife wanted one for a short while but she is even more of a shoal-draft enthusiast than I am, and she also became alarmed by talk (not from me) that they were the perfect boat for Cape Horn and circumnavigations and such.

My friend eventually put a bow thruster in his. Still hasn't gone around the world or around Cape Horn.

FB- Doug

[B.J. Porter]

Back on subject, sheesh, centre cockpits..........

I think the motion, possible sickness thing is maybe something to do with the visuals. In the middle of the boat everything is moving around you and you need to do a 360 to scan the boat. Cockpit aft and all you need to scan is ahead, well unless the back stay goes all saggy.

Being wetter is a mixed bag and hard to quantify. Obviously a boat gets wetter as you go forward but most CC's are higher up. Generally speaking though if its really snotty I would rather be aft, no queation, oops ?.

I'm not buying the wetter thing with our boat, though we DO have a hard dodger which lets us wear T-shirts while others are in foulies.

[Bob Perry]

Semi:
That Mistress must be a "crawl through". No way is there headroom under those cockpit coamings.

[Soñadora]

remembered another one: CSY 44.
3 versions: walkover, walkthru, and pilothouse.

[Bob Perry]

Poor little boat needs a real rudder.

[kent_island_sailor]

Chop 10 feet off your boat and that might change

Back on subject, sheesh, centre cockpits..........

I think the motion, possible sickness thing is maybe something to do with the visuals. In the middle of the boat everything is moving around you and you need to do a 360 to scan the boat. Cockpit aft and all you need to scan is ahead, well unless the back stay goes all saggy.

Being wetter is a mixed bag and hard to quantify. Obviously a boat gets wetter as you go forward but most CC's are higher up. Generally speaking though if its really snotty I would rather be aft, no queation, oops ?.

I'm not buying the wetter thing with our boat, though we DO have a hard dodger which lets us wear T-shirts while others are in foulies.

[SemiSalt]

Semi:
That Mistress must be a "crawl through". No way is there headroom under those cockpit coamings.

Yeah. The text says the passage is under the cockpit seat, and the profile suggests that's about 4.5-5' headroom.

[Bob Perry]

SemI:
When I was a kid there were no "walk through" cc's as far as I remember. Talking about boats under 50 LOA. It was taken for granted that you had a second forward facing companionway to acces the aft cabin.

[Five Guys Named Moe]

What are you guys smoking?


HR 64

Najad Farr 56

I'll second CAVU...

[Cavelamb]

The Allied Mistress designed by Arthur Edmunds and said to be the first production CC with walk through.

Very nice...

[Ishmael]

What are you guys smoking?


HR 64

Najad Farr 56

I'll second CAVU...

Well, it's easy at 60 feet. I think the spirit of the thread is getting something decent into less LOA.

[Soñadora]

what Ish said.

In my 'enhanced' state at the moment, I'm really thinking highly of that li'l Nor'Sea 27. It's about the most you could do with a boat @ 27 ft. Sorta like having sex in a Porsche 944...NTTAWWT.

[Paps]

You on the weed again Sons?

[Matagi]

what Ish said.

In my 'enhanced' state at the moment, I'm really thinking highly of that li'l Nor'Sea 27. It's about the most you could do with a boat @ 27 ft. Sorta like having sex in a Porsche 944...NTTAWWT.

I think I will consult 'Freud for Dummies' about this.

[Innocent Bystander]

what Ish said.

In my 'enhanced' state at the moment, I'm really thinking highly of that li'l Nor'Sea 27. It's about the most you could do with a boat @ 27 ft. Sorta like having sex in a Porsche 944...NTTAWWT.

Since a 944 isn't really a Porsche, does that mean you did't really have sex?

[dew]

It seems our friend Charlie Morgan has not come up. My father in law had a Morgan IO 48 CC with a hard top and clear roll down all around that would keep the area under the hardtop dry and warm on a cold day. It was also a nice shaded area on a hot day. The 48 has a walk thru to the aft cabin with its own companion way. This helped with venation well as addition access to the cc. The smaller IO’s did not have the walk through to the aft cabin which I was not fond of. I know the Morgan IO is not highly thought of here but even with the ugly keel the boat would move along. I would say the IO made Charlie the Catalina of big cc boats.
All of the kids and a few adults spent many hours jumping off hardtop in the water in the summer. It seems to be hard to beat for the value.

[Soñadora]

what Ish said.

In my 'enhanced' state at the moment, I'm really thinking highly of that li'l Nor'Sea 27. It's about the most you could do with a boat @ 27 ft. Sorta like having sex in a Porsche 944...NTTAWWT.

Since a 944 isn't really a Porsche, does that mean you did't really have sex?

Well, yeah, it is. Folks who don't know think that because the engine block is Audi, it's not a Porsche (and 951 is even less of an Audi) If we're going to split hairs the 356 is just a VW bug.

So yeah, real sex. No strap on.

[jewing]

Joshua.

http://yachtpals.com...moitessier-boat


Inside:
http://www.360cities...hua-inside-boat

[viktor]

There is this one. It doesn't look to bad in plan but I was looking at some pictures and to me the bow looks odd, to drawn out? To high to put a little bowsprit on? I don't know what it is,just don't look right in the pics. Also how much room can one get in the aft cabin of a double ender.

http://sailboatdata....p?class_id=2257

[olaf hart]

what Ish said.

In my 'enhanced' state at the moment, I'm really thinking highly of that li'l Nor'Sea 27. It's about the most you could do with a boat @ 27 ft. Sorta like having sex in a Porsche 944...NTTAWWT.

Since a 944 isn't really a Porsche, does that mean you did't really have sex?

They just faked it.

[Soñadora]

There is this one. It doesn't look to bad in plan but I was looking at some pictures and to me the bow looks odd, to drawn out? To high to put a little bowsprit on? I don't know what it is,just don't look right in the pics. Also how much room can one get in the aft cabin of a double ender.

http://sailboatdata....p?class_id=2257

I'll admit to being a fan, though I like the 43'er more. It's more 'Crealocky' (but not a CC)

[Soñadora]

Irwin had quite a few CC models as well. Always a handfull of 52s available at what seem like pretty reasonable prices. Makes me wonder how crappily build they are.

[Innocent Bystander]

what Ish said.

In my 'enhanced' state at the moment, I'm really thinking highly of that li'l Nor'Sea 27. It's about the most you could do with a boat @ 27 ft. Sorta like having sex in a Porsche 944...NTTAWWT.

Since a 944 isn't really a Porsche, does that mean you did't really have sex?

Well, yeah, it is. Folks who don't know think that because the engine block is Audi, it's not a Porsche (and 951 is even less of an Audi) If we're going to split hairs the 356 is just a VW bug.

So yeah, real sex. No strap on. ;)/>

Real Porsche's have air cooling and trailing throttle oversteer - just like the good doctor intended.

[Kent H]

Irwin - Did I hear someone mention the greatest center cockpit boats on the face of the earth? No other center cockpit boat has the capability to move sideways at such great speeds, while at a 50 degree heel than the Irwin 37. You all talk about the supposed great abilities of one Bob Perry to draw a sailing masterpiece. He will never be able to duplicate the Irwin 37! Does not matter how much over the counter medicine combined with bottles of wine you feed him with the award of vegemite when he completes his work....just can't be done!!!

Actually - There is or was an Irwin owner’s website that has helped numerous owners sell their boat. As the years progressed major quality changes happened. But that great Irwin reputation remained that has helped hold down prices!

There is not a single year that all of a sudden everything changed so investigating has to be done....but the various incarnations of the Irwin 37 make great boats at the dock I hear.

Irwin 52 ----- I believe after 1982 is much better than pre 1982.

STOP THE THREAD........WE HAVE A WINNER....THE GREATEST CENTER COCKPIT SAILBOAT EVER!

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[Soñadora]

what Ish said.

In my 'enhanced' state at the moment, I'm really thinking highly of that li'l Nor'Sea 27. It's about the most you could do with a boat @ 27 ft. Sorta like having sex in a Porsche 944...NTTAWWT.

Since a 944 isn't really a Porsche, does that mean you did't really have sex?

Well, yeah, it is. Folks who don't know think that because the engine block is Audi, it's not a Porsche (and 951 is even less of an Audi) If we're going to split hairs the 356 is just a VW bug.

So yeah, real sex. No strap on. ;)/>

Real Porsche's VW Beetles have air cooling and trailing throttle oversteer - just like the good doctor intended.

FIFY

honestly, the only TRUE 100% production Porsche from the ground up is the *gasp* 928. Any of those horizontally opposed, air-cooled engines all have their roots in the Type 1. Even beyond the drivetrain, the 356 used torque-tube front suspension and up until '95 the 911 used a torque tube for its ass-end. All vestiges of VW Bug.

Irwin - Did I hear someone mention the greatest center cockpit boats on the face of the earth? No other center cockpit boat has the capability to move sideways at such great speeds, while at a 50 degree heel than the Irwin 37. You all talk about the supposed great abilities of one Bob Perry to draw a sailing masterpiece. He will never be able to duplicate the Irwin 37! Does not matter how much over the counter medicine combined with bottles of wine you feed him with the award of vegemite when he completes his work....just can't be done!!!

Actually - There is or was an Irwin owner’s website that has helped numerous owners sell their boat. As the years progressed major quality changes happened. But that great Irwin reputation remained that has helped hold down prices!

There is not a single year that all of a sudden everything changed so investigating has to be done....but the various incarnations of the Irwin 37 make great boats at the dock I hear.

Irwin 52 ----- I believe after 1982 is much better than pre 1982.

STOP THE THREAD........WE HAVE A WINNER....THE GREATEST CENTER COCKPIT SAILBOAT EVER!

haha...

Here's another one:

Hans Christian 4750 Explorer. Seems to be the final Hail Mary from that company. Looks like a pretty nice Chuck Paine design (he talks about it in his book, I think).

[viktor]

There is this one. It doesn't look to bad in plan but I was looking at some pictures and to me the bow looks odd, to drawn out? To high to put a little bowsprit on? I don't know what it is,just don't look right in the pics. Also how much room can one get in the aft cabin of a double ender.

http://sailboatdata....p?class_id=2257

I'll admit to being a fan, though I like the 43'er more. It's more 'Crealocky' (but not a CC)

I don't know ,I kinda like the low pilot house on the 42.I would think a lot more light and a more open feeling down below. I'm not real big on PH boats,but I think that one was nicely done.
They still have an odd looking bow

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[Mojad]

Anybody familiar with a Tiburon (cabo rico) 36? It's a Crealock CC ketch that morphed into the Cabo Rico 38. I have had an intense Internet obsession with one the past few days but I am in Arizona at the moment and have never seen one. It seems like a slowish roomy boat that would work well for a live aboard cruising couple. Anybody ever sail one of these? How is the headroom? I have been living on a Rawson 30 but somehow I have acquired a first mate and apparently women like to be able to bathe and stuff. Go figure . Anyway , any info on this boat would be great.

[boomer]

http://www.jordanyac...m/archives/1508

http://www.sailingma...5-cabo-rico-38-

[Tom Ray]

Anybody familiar with a Tiburon (cabo rico) 36? It's a Crealock CC ketch that morphed into the Cabo Rico 38. I have had an intense Internet obsession with one the past few days but I am in Arizona at the moment and have never seen one. It seems like a slowish roomy boat that would work well for a live aboard cruising couple. Anybody ever sail one of these? How is the headroom? I have been living on a Rawson 30 but somehow I have acquired a first mate and apparently women like to be able to bathe and stuff. Go figure . Anyway , any info on this boat would be great.

We're going to need to see more of the first mate before answering your question.

[jhiller]

Great balls of fire Boomer!
That boat you posted is the fore runner of ND's boat CATARI with two cockpits. It even has the cover over the aft cockpit.
And here I thought I was so clever.
Please don't show that pic to my dogs.

I think this is proof that I have lived before.

I've seen the Bowman Corsair in the flesh. It's a great looking boat and come to think of it there is a resemblance . Used to be one that lived in Southwest Harbor Maine in the 80's. Kind of a funky old fashioned layout that was typical of British designs of that period. I don't think it even had a shower

[SemiSalt]

There was a short period of time when I was very taken by this boat, or perhaps I should say, by this brochure since I never actually saw one of the boats. Later on, I doubted that I'd like either the upkeep on all the brightwork or the performance. She has a double-headsail rig with the mast very far forward. There is a bowsprit which is hard to make out in the picture.

I like the background of the picture. It looks like what I saw on a tour of the Cheoy Lee yard in Kowloon. Not much like the open water and sparkling waves of usual sales material.

There were comments somewhere about Cheoy Lee construction. I think it's likely that this boat is all wood construction except for the hull mold, but maybe not.

Beware that dangerous off-center hatch.

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[Ishmael]

Just stumbled upon this video, I got halfway through before I figured out what boat it was.

[Tucky]

No mention of center cockpits is complete without mention of the Controversy Yawls-

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[Soñadora]

Just stumbled upon this video, I got halfway through before I figured out what boat it was.

not 100% sure, but I think I came across this chick either here in SA or maybe CF or some such place. I don't think she has that boat any more. Moved up or moved on. Not sure which.

[Bob Perry]

Great call Tuckster. Those were some odd boats and way ahead of their time.

[JumpingJax]

So far no mention of Little Harbor and Ted Hood, the mentor of Ted Fontaine and Dieter Empacher, who each still "follows the path of the master." The ones over 50' are very nice performers and very well done for comfort too. Under 50', more compromises have to be made, but they still sail well (for lead mines, of course).

I've done time on a LH 54 a bit some time ago and own a LH 44 now that I'm overhauling and updating. So far it's great (except for some odd-ball things the previous owner inflicted). I'm now at the point where I can go cruising - in great comfort and security - and work a bit at a time on updates for non-essential gear and refinish woodwork, reupholster, tinker and fiddle, etc.

The +/- 2,000 NM sailing I've done on the 44 so far has been very good to windward (well shaped board down she draws 11.5 ft.) and reaching she scoots along at a decent pace, although I haven't seen anything yet that'll make her surf and she damned well ain't gonna plane. Haven't gotten a spinnaker or reacher yet, so I'm pretty limited off the wind at present. In all conditions so far, she's a very comfortable boat to sail - except for those low back rests. So I've built some detachable back rests that have several positions they can be mounted. Works for me!

[SemiSalt]

Great call Tuckster. Those were some odd boats and way ahead of their time.

I recently saw a picture of the Controversy on the marine railway and I went search around the net for it. I didn't find it, but I did find this arrangement drawing:

[Slowboat]

As Kim mentioned, the Swede 55 did a pretty good job with the center cockpit:

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[Beau.Vrolyk]

You can't leave out the Lapworth 50.

Linky NotherLinky

A boat from my youth,
BV

[Tanton Y_M]

Cockpit amidship. The common problem is the lack of room, especially length wise. The wheel steering arrangement taking most of it. On this 52' (shown w/o mast), I eliminated the problem by taking the helm to the pilothouse "a la Trawler". A joy stick can do the job when outside.
http://tantonyachtdesign.blogspot.com

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[viktor]

That Lapworth 50 is sweet!!

[Trovão]

o'day37

i think i could have also posted it on the ugly boat topic

[Beau.Vrolyk]

Cockpit amidship. The common problem is the lack of room, especially length wise. The wheel steering arrangement taking most of it. On this 52' (shown w/o mast), I eliminated the problem by taking the helm to the pilothouse "a la Trawler". A joy stick can do the job when outside.
http://tantonyachtdesign.blogspot.com

Y,

Have you ever considered having a tiller at the aft end of the center cockpit with a pipe leading down through the aft cabin to the rudder? I sailed on a boat like that in Holland and don't think I ever knew what the brand was. It was about 45' long and the tiller swung over the forward 1/4 of the aft cabin and the back two feet of the cockpit. The pipe in the aft cabin wasn't a bother, folks thought it was a compression strut for the Mizzen mast step (which it may have been in addition to providing a tube for the rudder shaft). The rudder shaft was about 6" forward of the mizzen mast.

BV

[kent_island_sailor]

I am not sure this is a "best", but it is the only CC boat I know of that may have a "4th mode"

[Tom Ray]

Cockpit amidship. The common problem is the lack of room, especially length wise. The wheel steering arrangement taking most of it. On this 52' (shown w/o mast), I eliminated the problem by taking the helm to the pilothouse "a la Trawler". A joy stick can do the job when outside.
http://tantonyachtdesign.blogspot.com

That pilothouse seems narrow and that notch in the transom seems wide to me. Why are they the way they are?

[Tanton Y_M]

T.Ray
Stern platform is 36" wide by 21" deep. It seems about right for people to turn around with dive equipment, without obstructing the aft cabin arrangement.
The pilothouse itself is 84" x 84" permitting the roof on the sides to give access to the interior accommodation.

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Our Bob reviewed the boat in Sailing magazine, issue April 2011.
www.tantonyachtdesign.blogspot.com

[blackjenner]

We were interested in one of these once.

It was a Hardin 45, center cockpit.

It did have a lot of really cool space below, huge galley, aft cabin, great engine access..



Here is the Windfall under way...



I don't think it counts as a best but, it wasn't bad at all.

We also looked at this Maple Leaf.



Too bad it was leaking from multiple places when we checked it out on a rainy day and the owner was very proud of his boat.

Both of these were certainly interesting at the time.

Bob said we bought the right boat.

[B.J. Porter]

There's a large handful of oddball center cockpits here at anchor in St Thomas. I will try to take some pix before we leave.

There also was this scary cat that looked like the unholy bastard love child of a Lagoon cat and an Island Packet, but it left before I got a picture.

[blurocketsmate]

I always liked the Peterson 44, a very pretty boat and well regarded, but to me it looks short on lazarette space.

I'm looking for good pics of Blurocket IV, a custom Maple Leaf 50 and IMO the best looking of all the Maple Leafs.

Blurocket considered the Peterson before having the Maple Leaf built. Blurocket III was an O'Day 37. He liked the center cockpit but I'm sure The Admiral was really behind it.

The Maple Leaf 42 looks like someone chopped a few feet off the rear end.

[Ryley]

Wow,
157 posts and not one mention of the Gary Mull designed Freedom 45. This CC has a walk through to the aft cabin. I can attest after sailing it to Bermuda and back last summer that the design is wet but the cockpit is not. The motion is very good in this boat, although the aft cabin is definitely the most comfortable place in the boat when things get snotty. There are things I'd do differently if I were going blue water again, but I know of one Freedom 45 that a couple used to circumnavigate - twice. I don't imagine they would have finished the first, let alone done a second, if the design wasn't sound and comfortable.

http://sailboatdata....p?class_id=1200

[usa7606]

Compass 47. Angelo Lavranos design (worked for S&S too), built in South Africa.

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[frede]

My personal favorite is the Van de Stadt Southern Ocean 71 and the slightly lengthened 75. I believe these are an off-shoot of the IOR maxi Stormvogel. The Van de Stadt office has had a pretty amazing run, and I guess this one dates back to when Rictus was at the helm.

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[floating dutchman]

Frede, where did that last pick come from? That Island in the background looks a hang of lot where I had a beer on Sunday, boat looks local to.

[Elegua]

Is "midget porn" like those cute little funky looking Bolger boats?

By midget porn do you mean something that is functionally like porn, but not anything you'd like to see in real life?

[frede]

Frede, where did that last pick come from? That Island in the background looks a hang of lot where I had a beer on Sunday, boat looks local to.

Well spotted. Yes, I believe that one is based in Nelson, New Zealand. She apparently just went through a massive refit there and is now for sale.

[Beau.Vrolyk]

Frede, is that Bob Coskela's (spelling is probably wrong) old boat from Auckland? BV

[frede]

Frede, is that Bob Coskela's (spelling is probably wrong) old boat from Auckland? BV

I'm not sure; all I know is that it is named Ocean Jewel and is owned by John Baudier. I'm actually in France, so am not local. I've always loved these boats and am usually keeping an eye out for ones coming on the market. Sadly, there were only about 20 ever built, and other people seem to like them as well so the ones in good shape go for a fair amount of money considering the age of the boats. Still, I consider them a really good deal considering what you get for the money.

Best,

Frede

[Dr. Electron]

my observations are few, but here they are. I really loved our centre-cockpit Hallberg-Rassy 42. we lived aboard for seven years and the thought of not having an aft-cabin and flush-deck brings chills to these old bones. not only did we have a glorious aft-stateroom to play in, I had engine room access to die for, and and a dedicated electronics cabinet for inverter/charger, antenna-tuner, SSB, and other communications equipment. god forbid, an oscilloscope resided there within. we sailed offshore and more than once I felt fortunate to be sitting higher off the waves than expected ... dry, with good visibility, and all the accoutrements afforded by the centre-cockpit design. other boats visited, always seemed pinched in space and artificially constrained. our friend's Perry designed Passport 37 seemed half the size and problematic in access.

we enjoyed the experience, naive as we might have been, and upon reflection are feeling fortunate to have had the luck of finding the perfect boat for us. a centre-cockpit .. and enjoying every moment upon the water contained within.

daniel

[Amati]

What are you guys smoking?


HR 64

Najad Farr 56

I'll second CAVU...

Well, it's easy at 60 feet. I think the spirit of the thread is getting something decent into less LOA.

Damn.

http://www.boatworld.com/index.html?sub=Pendennis-Yachts

['No.6]

How is the build of the 53 going?

['No.6]

Atta boy, get right back on that dead horse.
So you bought a Catalina 27? What prompted that Daniel? What plans you have for her?

['No.6]

shhhh Daniel, Kjrist, you found me out. How will I ever show my face around here again?
Great picture of the boat I have been racing on of late in UK's newsletter. Very successful season.
And actually I wish I wasn't a boat owner any longer. She is listed in the classifieds. Let me know if you are interested.

['No.6]

So a Catalina 27. Does Deb enjoy the boat? Where do you keep her (the boat, not Deb)?

This model? Shoal or deep draft?

['No.6]

The Daniel I remember would want to tell us all about his new boat. No shame in it being a Catalina 27 DT. If you love her, that is what is important.
So been sailing much? Gotten her up to Vancouver?

[Tom Ray]

I'm a lot more interested in the real Catalina 27 than in some contract that never happened. Unless it was on Rebecca.

['No.6]

Don't worry Tom, you will get the hang of it...sort of like riding a bike.

[Mogle]

The S&S designed Concordia 52

Boomer, I was thinking "man, that's an awfully simple layout for a 52' boat" until I noticed the layout drawing was labeled "42 Foot Performance Cruiser" ;-)

Just sayin'...

Look closer, that's 42' DWL - Designed WaterLine length. I'm guessing that means 52' boat.

Just sayin'... ;)/>

Still a good looking yacht with a great layout.

The mast is no good. Main furler not for me.

[TOTALXS]

When we went looking for our cruising boat, we of course had to compromise on many things between what I wanted, high performance, good looks, ETC to what GD wanted which was a queen sized berth aft, decent galley and room for family and friends. We ended up with an S2 35C. Unlike the other S2 Center Cockpits, the 35C was designed as only a center cockpit and I believe that makes a better looking boat. While it is very true that center cockpits work much better in larger boats, G&S did a good job with the 35C. Decent looking, very roomy and even though the final compromise was the shoal draft keel, 2 - 3rds, 1 - 2nd in 6 ocean races (Cruising Class - 8 boat entries average) in total comfort.