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#1 Chuck D.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 05:53 PM

Recently out from the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, is some data showing a pretty significant reversal in American's perception of the reality of 'Global Warming' as a man-made phenomenon. The work, titled "Climate change in the american mind, Americans’ Global Warming Beliefs and Attitudes in September 2012", indicates some significant shifts in people attitudes over the past year or so, as the non-sense about it all being some sort of 'One-world conspiracy' with cooked data out of a cabal of colluding scientists has been overwhelmed by everyday observations of shit going haywire.

The efforts of Happy Jack, Nancy Boy, and the folks on the payroll of Exxon-Mobil aimed at sowing distrust of the science with their 'Climate-gate' BS seems to have been for naught. Folks are choosing to believe their own lying eyes instead of the propaganda out of the noise machine. How refreshing, I guess, but with the net result that another several years of inaction was bought.


Highlights
  • Americans’ belief in the reality of global warming has increased by 13 percentage points over the past two and a half years, from 57 percent in January 2010 to 70 percent in September 2012. At the same time, the number of Americans who say global warming is not happening has declined nearly by half, from 20 percent in January 2010 to only 12 percent today.
  • For the first time since 2008, more than half of Americans (54%) believe global warming is caused mostly by human activities, an increase of 8 points since March 2012. Americans who say it is caused mostly by natural changes in the environment have declined to 30 percent (from 37% in March).
  • A growing number of Americans believe global warming is already harming people both at home and abroad. Four in ten say people around the world are being harmed right now by climate change (40%, up 8 percentage points since March 2012), while 36 percent say global warming is currently harming people in the United States (up six points since March).
  • In addition, they increasingly perceive global warming as a threat to themselves (42%, up 13 points since March 2012), their families (46%, up 13 points), and/or people in their communities (48%, up 14 points). Americans also perceive global warming as a growing threat to people in the United States (57%, up 11 points since March 2012), in other modern industrialized countries (57%, up 8 points since March), and in developing countries (64%, up 12 points since March).
  • Today over half of Americans (58%) say they are “somewhat” or “very worried” - now at its highest level since November 2008.
  • For the first time since 2008, Americans are more likely to believe most scientists agree that global warming is happening than believe there is widespread disagreement on the subject (44% versus 36%, respectively). This is an increase of 9 percentage points since March 2012.


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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:01 PM

Holy Shit! Serious evidence!

Cite: 37.3 million results when searching for popular opinions equal science.

There must be something to this!

/research

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:08 PM

Denialists doh nee no STEENIKING EVA-Dense. (Pinko academics are part of a vast left-wing SOCIALIST conspiracy intent on taking over your rights.)

LOOK!! OVER THERE!! NANCY PELOSI, ALGORE, and Dr. Mann are hiding in your hisbiscus bushes. Better get busy.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:29 PM

Doesn't climate change every hour of every day of f'ng day of the week?.......

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:36 PM

Recently out from the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, is some data showing a pretty significant reversal in American's perception of the reality of 'Global Warming' as a man-made phenomenon. The work, titled "Climate change in the american mind, Americans’ Global Warming Beliefs and Attitudes in September 2012", indicates some significant shifts in people attitudes over the past year or so, as the non-sense about it all being some sort of 'One-world conspiracy' with cooked data out of a cabal of colluding scientists has been overwhelmed by everyday observations of shit going haywire.

The efforts of Happy Jack, Nancy Boy, and the folks on the payroll of Exxon-Mobil aimed at sowing distrust of the science with their 'Climate-gate' BS seems to have been for naught. Folks are choosing to believe their own lying eyes instead of the propaganda out of the noise machine. How refreshing, I guess, but with the net result that another several years of inaction was bought.


Highlights

  • Americans’ belief in the reality of global warming has increased by 13 percentage points over the past two and a half years, from 57 percent in January 2010 to 70 percent in September 2012. At the same time, the number of Americans who say global warming is not happening has declined nearly by half, from 20 percent in January 2010 to only 12 percent today.
  • For the first time since 2008, more than half of Americans (54%) believe global warming is caused mostly by human activities, an increase of 8 points since March 2012. Americans who say it is caused mostly by natural changes in the environment have declined to 30 percent (from 37% in March).
  • A growing number of Americans believe global warming is already harming people both at home and abroad. Four in ten say people around the world are being harmed right now by climate change (40%, up 8 percentage points since March 2012), while 36 percent say global warming is currently harming people in the United States (up six points since March).
  • In addition, they increasingly perceive global warming as a threat to themselves (42%, up 13 points since March 2012), their families (46%, up 13 points), and/or people in their communities (48%, up 14 points). Americans also perceive global warming as a growing threat to people in the United States (57%, up 11 points since March 2012), in other modern industrialized countries (57%, up 8 points since March), and in developing countries (64%, up 12 points since March).
  • Today over half of Americans (58%) say they are “somewhat” or “very worried” - now at its highest level since November 2008.
  • For the first time since 2008, Americans are more likely to believe most scientists agree that global warming is happening than believe there is widespread disagreement on the subject (44% versus 36%, respectively). This is an increase of 9 percentage points since March 2012.



So Chuck - what's your goal w/this?

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:44 PM

Holy Shit! Serious evidence!

Cite: 37.3 million results when searching for popular opinions equal science.

There must be something to this!

/research


But of course, the article being cited was not about climate change science, it was about popular opinion.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 06:51 PM

Climate Change: The Musical

By Doug Powers • October 4, 2010 03:52 PM
**Written by Doug Powers
It’s bad enough that our tax money is pumped into a bottomless pit of “climate change” crockery, but to have to pay extra to give the hoax “jazz hands” is even more maddening.
From the New York Times:
The National Science Foundation has awarded a $700,000 grant to the Civilians, a New York theater company, to finance the production of a show about climate change. “The Great Immensity,” with a book by Steven Cosson (“This Beautiful City”) and music and lyrics by Michael Friedman (“Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson”), tells the story of Polly, a photojournalist who disappears while working in the rain forests of Panama. The grant is a rare gift to an arts organization from the foundation, a federal agency that pays for science, engineering and mathematics research and education.
I’d seen the Carthage Community Theater’s musical production about the life of their most famous local resident, Phantom of the Chakra, but this sounds like an even bigger production (suggested titles: A Consensus of Cats; South Pacific Rising; How to Succeed in Scamming Without Really Trying; Hypocrite on the Roof; A Funny Thing Happened to My SUV Caravan on the Way to the Climate Change Forum; The Wizard of Ozone; Ed Begley Superstar; Annie Get Your Green Job and Seven Carbon Offsets for Seven Brothers).
Yeah, it’s a waste of tax dollars earmarked for science, but I guess it beats funding the important scientific pursuit of surfing porn — or maybe not.
**Written by Doug Powers

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:07 PM


Recently out from the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, is some data showing a pretty significant reversal in American's perception of the reality of 'Global Warming' as a man-made phenomenon. The work, titled "Climate change in the american mind, Americans’ Global Warming Beliefs and Attitudes in September 2012", indicates some significant shifts in people attitudes over the past year or so, as the non-sense about it all being some sort of 'One-world conspiracy' with cooked data out of a cabal of colluding scientists has been overwhelmed by everyday observations of shit going haywire.

The efforts of Happy Jack, Nancy Boy, and the folks on the payroll of Exxon-Mobil aimed at sowing distrust of the science with their 'Climate-gate' BS seems to have been for naught. Folks are choosing to believe their own lying eyes instead of the propaganda out of the noise machine. How refreshing, I guess, but with the net result that another several years of inaction was bought.


Highlights

  • Americans’ belief in the reality of global warming has increased by 13 percentage points over the past two and a half years, from 57 percent in January 2010 to 70 percent in September 2012. At the same time, the number of Americans who say global warming is not happening has declined nearly by half, from 20 percent in January 2010 to only 12 percent today.
  • For the first time since 2008, more than half of Americans (54%) believe global warming is caused mostly by human activities, an increase of 8 points since March 2012. Americans who say it is caused mostly by natural changes in the environment have declined to 30 percent (from 37% in March).
  • A growing number of Americans believe global warming is already harming people both at home and abroad. Four in ten say people around the world are being harmed right now by climate change (40%, up 8 percentage points since March 2012), while 36 percent say global warming is currently harming people in the United States (up six points since March).
  • In addition, they increasingly perceive global warming as a threat to themselves (42%, up 13 points since March 2012), their families (46%, up 13 points), and/or people in their communities (48%, up 14 points). Americans also perceive global warming as a growing threat to people in the United States (57%, up 11 points since March 2012), in other modern industrialized countries (57%, up 8 points since March), and in developing countries (64%, up 12 points since March).
  • Today over half of Americans (58%) say they are “somewhat” or “very worried” - now at its highest level since November 2008.
  • For the first time since 2008, Americans are more likely to believe most scientists agree that global warming is happening than believe there is widespread disagreement on the subject (44% versus 36%, respectively). This is an increase of 9 percentage points since March 2012.



So Chuck - what's your goal w/this?


I'm sure it involves the exchange of our money for a feely-goody tingly sensation up our collective legs.......

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 07:12 PM

A whole fuckton of folks believe in a divine Allfather, ghosts, and tarot readings. So what.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:24 PM


Drought Trends, Estimates Possibly Overstated Due To Inaccurate Science

http://washington.cb...curate-science/


WASHINGTON (CBSDC) – An index frequently used by scientists to predict drought trends – trends whose increased frequency and intensity were blamed on global warming – may have been misused, resulting in possibly inaccurate findings.

The Palmer Drought Severity Index is primarily used by scientists to keep track of short-term drought trends. Researchers at Princeton University have now found that the index may not properly reflect what’s to come.

“[C]alculations of the Palmer Drought Severity Index (PDSI) show a decrease in moisture globally since the 1970s with a commensurate increase in the area in drought that is attributed, in part, to global warming,” the published paper states. “The simplicity of the PDSI, which is calculated from a simple water-balance model forced by monthly precipitation and temperature data, makes it an attractive tool in large-scale drought assessments, but may give biased results in the context of climate change.”

The findings were published Thursday in the journal Nature, whose offices are located in Washington, D.C.


Study co-author Eric Wood, who also serves as a professor of civil and environmental engineering at Princeton University, was quoted as saying that the results make it seem as though “it will never rain again,” according to the Christian Science Monitor.

Wood authored the paper with another Princeton University researcher, Justin Sheffield.

The PDSI is reportedly the source from which drought maps are made – usually colored in brown, red or yellow, depending on drought severity.

The Christian Science Monitor learned from Wood that the PDSI was not intended to track long-term trends, and that its simplicity may lead to skewed results when applied to future times.

“We’ve known for quite a long time that the PDSI calculation is prone to problems dealing with climate change,” added Columbia University drought and climate researcher Richard Seager to the website. “Rising temperatures drive it haywire.”

The study noted in Nature that “[m]ore realistic calculations, based on the underlying physical principles that take into account changes in available energy, humidity and wind speed, suggest that there has been little change in drought over the past 60 years.”

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:37 PM

No it does not.
Weather does that ;)

Doesn't climate change every hour of every day of f'ng day of the week?.......



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Posted 19 November 2012 - 08:46 PM

Progressives have used Climate Change as an excuse for social change and so Conservatives have responded by attacking the science. Climate change is a proxy war for an ideology. The facts have little to do with why people are so dogmatically defending their points of view.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:02 PM

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:03 PM

No it does not.
Weather does that ;)


Doesn't climate change every hour of every day of f'ng day of the week?.......


Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:14 PM


No it does not.
Weather does that ;)


Doesn't climate change every hour of every day of f'ng day of the week?.......


Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.


Um, no.


cli·mate

noun
1.
the composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity,precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughoutthe year, averaged over a series of years.


weath-er

noun
1. the state of the atmosphere with respect to wind, temperature, cloudiness, moisture, pressure, etc


One is the average of conditions in an area over time, and the other is what can be observed and measured at a given time.



So, kent_island_sailor was accurate in his correction of the esteemed Mr. Booth.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 09:25 PM



No it does not.
Weather does that ;)


Doesn't climate change every hour of every day of f'ng day of the week?.......


Climate is what you expect. Weather is what you get.


Um, no.


cli·mate

noun
1.
the composite or generally prevailing weather conditions of a region, as temperature, air pressure, humidity,precipitation, sunshine, cloudiness, and winds, throughoutthe year, averaged over a series of years.


weath-er

noun
1. the state of the atmosphere with respect to wind, temperature, cloudiness, moisture, pressure, etc


One is the average of conditions in an area over time, and the other is what can be observed and measured at a given time.



So, kent_island_sailor was accurate in his correction of the esteemed Mr. Booth.


Umm, yes.

Generally speaking, if you live in a temperate or tropical climate, you expect temperate or tropical weather.

The actual weather you get varies day to day, of course. But you expect the climate you're living in.

I am agreeing with KIS and just riffing on his correction.

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 10:22 PM


Recently out from the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, is some data showing a pretty significant reversal in American's perception of the reality of 'Global Warming' as a man-made phenomenon. The work, titled "Climate change in the american mind, Americans’ Global Warming Beliefs and Attitudes in September 2012", indicates some significant shifts in people attitudes over the past year or so, as the non-sense about it all being some sort of 'One-world conspiracy' with cooked data out of a cabal of colluding scientists has been overwhelmed by everyday observations of shit going haywire.

The efforts of Happy Jack, Nancy Boy, and the folks on the payroll of Exxon-Mobil aimed at sowing distrust of the science with their 'Climate-gate' BS seems to have been for naught. Folks are choosing to believe their own lying eyes instead of the propaganda out of the noise machine. How refreshing, I guess, but with the net result that another several years of inaction was bought.


Highlights

  • Americans’ belief in the reality of global warming has increased by 13 percentage points over the past two and a half years, from 57 percent in January 2010 to 70 percent in September 2012. At the same time, the number of Americans who say global warming is not happening has declined nearly by half, from 20 percent in January 2010 to only 12 percent today.
  • For the first time since 2008, more than half of Americans (54%) believe global warming is caused mostly by human activities, an increase of 8 points since March 2012. Americans who say it is caused mostly by natural changes in the environment have declined to 30 percent (from 37% in March).
  • A growing number of Americans believe global warming is already harming people both at home and abroad. Four in ten say people around the world are being harmed right now by climate change (40%, up 8 percentage points since March 2012), while 36 percent say global warming is currently harming people in the United States (up six points since March).
  • In addition, they increasingly perceive global warming as a threat to themselves (42%, up 13 points since March 2012), their families (46%, up 13 points), and/or people in their communities (48%, up 14 points). Americans also perceive global warming as a growing threat to people in the United States (57%, up 11 points since March 2012), in other modern industrialized countries (57%, up 8 points since March), and in developing countries (64%, up 12 points since March).
  • Today over half of Americans (58%) say they are “somewhat” or “very worried” - now at its highest level since November 2008.
  • For the first time since 2008, Americans are more likely to believe most scientists agree that global warming is happening than believe there is widespread disagreement on the subject (44% versus 36%, respectively). This is an increase of 9 percentage points since March 2012.



So Chuck - what's your goal w/this?


Happy isn't here quoting polls so Chuckie is trying to take up the slack.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:59 AM

Happy isn't here quoting polls so Chuckie is trying to take up the slack.


Well, so far he seems to be doing a better job of it. Doesn't need to apply his custom pseudomatics algorithm to the values to get a more pleasing (if inaccurate) set of numbers from it either :D

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:04 AM

A whole fuckton of folks believe in a divine Allfather, ghosts, and tarot readings. So what.

We are all doomed.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:17 AM


Recently out from the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, is some data showing a pretty significant reversal in American's perception of the reality of 'Global Warming' as a man-made phenomenon. The work, titled "Climate change in the american mind, Americans’ Global Warming Beliefs and Attitudes in September 2012", indicates some significant shifts in people attitudes over the past year or so, as the non-sense about it all being some sort of 'One-world conspiracy' with cooked data out of a cabal of colluding scientists has been overwhelmed by everyday observations of shit going haywire.

The efforts of Happy Jack, Nancy Boy, and the folks on the payroll of Exxon-Mobil aimed at sowing distrust of the science with their 'Climate-gate' BS seems to have been for naught. Folks are choosing to believe their own lying eyes instead of the propaganda out of the noise machine. How refreshing, I guess, but with the net result that another several years of inaction was bought.


Highlights

  • Americans’ belief in the reality of global warming has increased by 13 percentage points over the past two and a half years, from 57 percent in January 2010 to 70 percent in September 2012. At the same time, the number of Americans who say global warming is not happening has declined nearly by half, from 20 percent in January 2010 to only 12 percent today.
  • For the first time since 2008, more than half of Americans (54%) believe global warming is caused mostly by human activities, an increase of 8 points since March 2012. Americans who say it is caused mostly by natural changes in the environment have declined to 30 percent (from 37% in March).
  • A growing number of Americans believe global warming is already harming people both at home and abroad. Four in ten say people around the world are being harmed right now by climate change (40%, up 8 percentage points since March 2012), while 36 percent say global warming is currently harming people in the United States (up six points since March).
  • In addition, they increasingly perceive global warming as a threat to themselves (42%, up 13 points since March 2012), their families (46%, up 13 points), and/or people in their communities (48%, up 14 points). Americans also perceive global warming as a growing threat to people in the United States (57%, up 11 points since March 2012), in other modern industrialized countries (57%, up 8 points since March), and in developing countries (64%, up 12 points since March).
  • Today over half of Americans (58%) say they are “somewhat” or “very worried” - now at its highest level since November 2008.
  • For the first time since 2008, Americans are more likely to believe most scientists agree that global warming is happening than believe there is widespread disagreement on the subject (44% versus 36%, respectively). This is an increase of 9 percentage points since March 2012.



So Chuck - what's your goal w/this?


It was news to me, so I shared it thinking others would find it interesting as well. Was I wrong?


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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:34 AM

Holy Shit! Serious evidence!

Cite: 37.3 million results when searching for popular opinions equal science.

There must be something to this!

/research


You're so mean to these guys :lol:

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 10:49 AM

Holy Shit! Serious evidence!

Cite: 9.4 million results when searching for popular opinions equal political science.

There must be something to this!

/research


fixed

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:55 AM


Holy Shit! Serious evidence!

Cite: 37.3 million results when searching for popular opinions equal science.

There must be something to this!

/research


But of course, the article being cited was not about climate change science, it was about popular opinion.


Hah! You must have thought I had some point other than to mock what passes for research in Chuck's mind.

I did not.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:02 PM



Holy Shit! Serious evidence!

Cite: 37.3 million results when searching for popular opinions equal science.

There must be something to this!

/research


But of course, the article being cited was not about climate change science, it was about popular opinion.


Hah! You must have thought I had some point other than to mock what passes for research in Chuck's mind.

I did not.


Excellent. One trick pony's are so entertaining, especially when pretentious.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:04 PM




Holy Shit! Serious evidence!

Cite: 37.3 million results when searching for popular opinions equal science.

There must be something to this!

/research


But of course, the article being cited was not about climate change science, it was about popular opinion.


Hah! You must have thought I had some point other than to mock what passes for research in Chuck's mind.

I did not.


Excellent. One trick pony's are so entertaining, especially when pretentious.


What belongs to the pony again? Or did you not know that ponies are plural?

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 12:08 PM





Holy Shit! Serious evidence!

Cite: 37.3 million results when searching for popular opinions equal science.

There must be something to this!

/research


But of course, the article being cited was not about climate change science, it was about popular opinion.


Hah! You must have thought I had some point other than to mock what passes for research in Chuck's mind.

I did not.


Excellent. One trick pony's are so entertaining, especially when pretentious.


What belongs to the pony again? Or did you not know that ponies are plural?


Yep, yep. How droll. Glad you is so perfect.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:35 PM



Recently out from the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, is some data showing a pretty significant reversal in American's perception of the reality of 'Global Warming' as a man-made phenomenon. The work, titled "Climate change in the american mind, Americans’ Global Warming Beliefs and Attitudes in September 2012", indicates some significant shifts in people attitudes over the past year or so, as the non-sense about it all being some sort of 'One-world conspiracy' with cooked data out of a cabal of colluding scientists has been overwhelmed by everyday observations of shit going haywire.

The efforts of Happy Jack, Nancy Boy, and the folks on the payroll of Exxon-Mobil aimed at sowing distrust of the science with their 'Climate-gate' BS seems to have been for naught. Folks are choosing to believe their own lying eyes instead of the propaganda out of the noise machine. How refreshing, I guess, but with the net result that another several years of inaction was bought.


Highlights

  • Americans’ belief in the reality of global warming has increased by 13 percentage points over the past two and a half years, from 57 percent in January 2010 to 70 percent in September 2012. At the same time, the number of Americans who say global warming is not happening has declined nearly by half, from 20 percent in January 2010 to only 12 percent today.
  • For the first time since 2008, more than half of Americans (54%) believe global warming is caused mostly by human activities, an increase of 8 points since March 2012. Americans who say it is caused mostly by natural changes in the environment have declined to 30 percent (from 37% in March).
  • A growing number of Americans believe global warming is already harming people both at home and abroad. Four in ten say people around the world are being harmed right now by climate change (40%, up 8 percentage points since March 2012), while 36 percent say global warming is currently harming people in the United States (up six points since March).
  • In addition, they increasingly perceive global warming as a threat to themselves (42%, up 13 points since March 2012), their families (46%, up 13 points), and/or people in their communities (48%, up 14 points). Americans also perceive global warming as a growing threat to people in the United States (57%, up 11 points since March 2012), in other modern industrialized countries (57%, up 8 points since March), and in developing countries (64%, up 12 points since March).
  • Today over half of Americans (58%) say they are “somewhat” or “very worried” - now at its highest level since November 2008.
  • For the first time since 2008, Americans are more likely to believe most scientists agree that global warming is happening than believe there is widespread disagreement on the subject (44% versus 36%, respectively). This is an increase of 9 percentage points since March 2012.



So Chuck - what's your goal w/this?


It was news to me, so I shared it thinking others would find it interesting as well. Was I wrong?


I'd be more interested in what those who've apparently had a change of heart intend to do in their newly enlightened state.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:52 PM

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:59 PM





Holy Shit! Serious evidence!

Cite: 37.3 million results when searching for popular opinions equal science.

There must be something to this!

/research


But of course, the article being cited was not about climate change science, it was about popular opinion.


Hah! You must have thought I had some point other than to mock what passes for research in Chuck's mind.

I did not.


Excellent. One trick pony's are so entertaining, especially when pretentious.


What belongs to the pony again? Or did you not know that ponies are plural?


There is more than one pile in the climate change industry.

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:48 PM

US CO2 emissions are at their lowest level in 20 years, and since the decline is due to greatly reduced coal use, it's pretty certain that SOx and mercury emissions are on a similar downward trend.

Global warming Climate change being driven by the US is sooooo last week. Talk to China.

#31 VwaP

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:53 AM

C.I.A. Closes Its Climate Change Office
By JOHN M. BRODER

The Central Intelligence Agency has disbanded its Center on Climate Change and National Security, a unit formed in 2009 to monitor the interplay between a warming planet and intelligence and security challenges.

The creation of the office drew fire at the time from some Republicans, who said it was an unnecessary expense and a distraction from the agency’s focus on terrorism and other more immediate threats. The agency did not say whether the closing was related to budget constraints or other political pressures.

Todd Ebitz, a C.I.A. spokesman, said that the agency would continue to monitor the security and humanitarian challenges posed by climate change as part of its focus on economic security, but not in a stand-alone office.

“The C.I.A. for several years has studied the national security implications of climate change,” Mr. Ebitz said in an e-mailed statement. “As part of a broader realignment of analytic resources, this work continues to be performed by a dedicated team in a new office that looks at economic and energy matters affecting America’s national security. The mission and the resources devoted to it remain essentially unchanged.”

The closing of the office was first reported Monday by Greenwire.

The C.I.A. did not conduct its own scientific studies on climate change, instead relying on other government agencies and academic researchers. The National Research Council, an arm of the National Academies of Science, released an extensive report to the intelligence community last week on how it can better assess and respond to the impacts of climate change on vulnerable states.

Senator John Barrasso, Republican of Wyoming, has been the most vocal critic of the C.I.A.’s climate change work. He welcomed the closing of its office.

“Closing the Climate Change Center at the C.I.A. was the right decision,” Mr. Barrasso said in a statement. “I offered an amendment on the Senate floor to eliminate the center because it was unnecessary, wasteful and totally out of place. It’s critically important for the C.I.A. to focus its resources on preventing terrorism and keeping Americans safe.”

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 07:40 AM

US CO2 emissions are at their lowest level in 20 years, and since the decline is due to greatly reduced coal use, it's pretty certain that SOx and mercury emissions are on a similar downward trend.

Global warming Climate change being driven by the US is sooooo last week. Talk to China.


This just in. We buy shit from China.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:39 AM


US CO2 emissions are at their lowest level in 20 years, and since the decline is due to greatly reduced coal use, it's pretty certain that SOx and mercury emissions are on a similar downward trend.

Global warming Climate change being driven by the US is sooooo last week. Talk to China.


This just in. We buy shit from China.


And all that coal that you're not using anymore will just stay in the ground? Riiight. <_<

#34 Chuck D.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:13 PM



US CO2 emissions are at their lowest level in 20 years, and since the decline is due to greatly reduced coal use, it's pretty certain that SOx and mercury emissions are on a similar downward trend.

Global warming Climate change being driven by the US is sooooo last week. Talk to China.


This just in. We buy shit from China.


And all that coal that you're not using anymore will just stay in the ground? Riiight. <_<


Here in the US? Maybe. Natural gas is already cheaper than coal, and as far as energy production capacity being built now, wind is cheaper now and solar is likely to be cheaper in a pretty short time frame. What would we use the coal for, aside from keeping existing capital investments running?

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:22 PM

pictures like this have a tendency to allow reasonable people to form their own opionion and dismiss know-nothings...



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Water always finds its own level. Suck on it....

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:35 PM

Good, quick read:
In All Probability: Climate Change and the Risk of More Storms Like Sandy

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:36 PM

Doesn't climate change every hour of every day of f'ng day of the week?.......

Not here, its rained for a straight 36 hours, even the fish are fucked off with it.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 01:50 PM

pictures like this have a tendency to allow reasonable people to form their own opionion and dismiss know-nothings...



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Storms like Sandy and other hurricanes and nor'easters are responsible for the shape and characteristics of the entire US east coast. Since the glaciers began their retreat, these storms have consistently moved the lighter materials southward building the barrier islands from Long Island south.

They've been going on for millions (or thousands) of years. The 'horror' here is that we humans decided that the shifting outlines of the barrier islands were somehow permanent and we built structures on them. We valued them, in their then current state, so highly that people were prepared to pay more than the dwelling would be worth anywhere else.

We even dug holes in the ground where we needed pumps to keep the water out. Hey, if you are 30 feet above sea level and dig a tunnel 50 feet deep you can expect it to get wet.

There are billions of dollars in damage because we spent billions putting stuff where its existence is not tenable. We will now spend billions putting things back "the way they are supposed to be".

The idea that we can change the climate is the same. There is some vision of how things "are supposed to be" and a bunch of fools who demand changes, at great expense, that will make no difference on a global scale.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:03 PM




US CO2 emissions are at their lowest level in 20 years, and since the decline is due to greatly reduced coal use, it's pretty certain that SOx and mercury emissions are on a similar downward trend.

Global warming Climate change being driven by the US is sooooo last week. Talk to China.


This just in. We buy shit from China.


And all that coal that you're not using anymore will just stay in the ground? Riiight. <_<


Here in the US? Maybe. Natural gas is already cheaper than coal, and as far as energy production capacity being built now, wind is cheaper now and solar is likely to be cheaper in a pretty short time frame. What would we use the coal for, aside from keeping existing capital investments running?


Really? You don't think those US coal miners won't put their coal on the international market?

The US has only transferred where the coal you stopped burning gets burned. You won't stop the US mining while it has a positive economic value. Jobs, income, export incentives.

Nett gain on emissions? Zip for the next 20 years at least.

#40 Saorsa

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:07 PM





US CO2 emissions are at their lowest level in 20 years, and since the decline is due to greatly reduced coal use, it's pretty certain that SOx and mercury emissions are on a similar downward trend.

Global warming Climate change being driven by the US is sooooo last week. Talk to China.


This just in. We buy shit from China.


And all that coal that you're not using anymore will just stay in the ground? Riiight. <_<


Here in the US? Maybe. Natural gas is already cheaper than coal, and as far as energy production capacity being built now, wind is cheaper now and solar is likely to be cheaper in a pretty short time frame. What would we use the coal for, aside from keeping existing capital investments running?


Really? You don't think those US coal miners won't put their coal on the international market?

The US has only transferred where the coal you stopped burning gets burned. You won't stop the US mining while it has a positive economic value. Jobs, income, export incentives.

Nett gain on emissions? Zip for the next 20 years at least.


Yep, if the US has a contribution to make, they should cut down on consumption. Just buying shit from countries where the emissions standards are lower isn't exactly thinking globally.

http://thinkprogress...-all-time-high/

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 02:16 PM

Did I mention the 100,000 coal mining jobs lost here in Indo?

That's just the little people though. The internationals are buying up the concessions for development in the future.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:20 PM





US CO2 emissions are at their lowest level in 20 years, and since the decline is due to greatly reduced coal use, it's pretty certain that SOx and mercury emissions are on a similar downward trend.

Global warming Climate change being driven by the US is sooooo last week. Talk to China.


This just in. We buy shit from China.


And all that coal that you're not using anymore will just stay in the ground? Riiight. <_<


Here in the US? Maybe. Natural gas is already cheaper than coal, and as far as energy production capacity being built now, wind is cheaper now and solar is likely to be cheaper in a pretty short time frame. What would we use the coal for, aside from keeping existing capital investments running?


Really? You don't think those US coal miners won't put their coal on the international market?

The US has only transferred where the coal you stopped burning gets burned. You won't stop the US mining while it has a positive economic value. Jobs, income, export incentives.

Nett gain on emissions? Zip for the next 20 years at least.

I watch coal headed South to Brazil almost every day. Seems they like the coal from AL for steel. On the other hand, we import their coal for power plants.

Funny how that works.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:26 PM

Good, quick read:
In All Probability: Climate Change and the Risk of More Storms Like Sandy


Years from now, though, is in fact when these findings may be confirmed. Only a string of Sandys could verify such a study, which forecasts trends, not any specific hurricane which might define them. (That Sandy was a hybrid of hurricane and mid-latitude storm, formed under an unlikely confluence of climatic events, puts it somewhat outside the study's scope, too.) The temptation to view Sandy, or any major storm, as having been foretold by climate scientists, must be resisted.


So basically, in all probability, Sandy was both irrelevant to the study and unlikely, but Sandy did happen and so did the study, so why let a crisis go to waste? :rolleyes:

Hey, a search for sandy climate change returns over 27 million results, which proves something or other to those unfamiliar with research. :lol:

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:19 PM

Have a look at this chart showing the global trend in co2 production. Now consider that the UN’s Koyoto Protocol exempts China and India and you might get an inkling why some suspect that there is a hidden agenda at work here that has nothing to do with the environment.
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Posted 25 November 2012 - 02:30 PM

Have a look at this chart showing the global trend in co2 production. Now consider that the UN’s Koyoto Protocol exempts China and India and you might get an inkling why some suspect that there is a hidden agenda at work here that has nothing to do with the environment.
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I have long held the opinion that population growth more closely approximates global warming than CO2.

I think Dog's chart above just shows us outsourcing our pollution.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 06:57 PM

Have a look at this chart showing the global trend in co2 production. Now consider that the UN’s Koyoto Protocol exempts China and India and you might get an inkling why some suspect that there is a hidden agenda at work here that has nothing to do with the environment.
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That's an excellent chart that should get more play.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 08:16 PM

The way I read that graph, it says we need to start exporting natural gas to China. B)

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 09:18 PM

The way I read that graph, it says we need to start exporting natural gas to China. B)

I like the way you think.

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 10:13 PM

The way I read that graph, it says we need to start exporting natural gas to China. B)


Taco Bell franchises.

Then they too can be self sufficient.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:08 PM

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:28 PM

Doesn't climate change every hour of every day of f'ng day of the week?.......


Shut up. College professors can't stand logic.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:39 PM




US CO2 emissions are at their lowest level in 20 years, and since the decline is due to greatly reduced coal use, it's pretty certain that SOx and mercury emissions are on a similar downward trend.

Global warming Climate change being driven by the US is sooooo last week. Talk to China.


This just in. We buy shit from China.


And all that coal that you're not using anymore will just stay in the ground? Riiight. <_</>


Here in the US? Maybe. Natural gas is already cheaper than coal, and as far as energy production capacity being built now, wind is cheaper now and solar is likely to be cheaper in a pretty short time frame. What would we use the coal for, aside from keeping existing capital investments running?


We might use the coal for gassification, but it's on its way out and in a decade or two it will be cheaper to just leave it in the ground.

Before coal we used peat. Pretty much nobody burns peat anymore. Twilight technologies really do just stay in the ground.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 08:45 PM

Doesn't climate weather change every hour of every day of f'ng day of the week?.......


Yes.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:09 PM

Riddle me this:
Say we stay the course and keep raising CAFE standards, build rail everywhere, windmills all over, etc. etc. etc. Gas taxes keep going up.
So 20-30 years from now we look like the EU and drive 50 MPG cars everywhere. Our energy use is way down.
Meanwhile..........thanks to new technology we are the New Saudi Arabia of Oil and Gas and we always were the Saudi Arabia of coal. Do we earn all we can exporting our fossil fuels or decide to just keep them in order to reduce global CO2. You all tell me. Money or principals?

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:20 PM

Riddle me this:
Say we stay the course and keep raising CAFE standards, build rail everywhere, windmills all over, etc. etc. etc. Gas taxes keep going up.
So 20-30 years from now we look like the EU and drive 50 MPG cars everywhere. Our energy use is way down.
Meanwhile..........thanks to new technology we are the New Saudi Arabia of Oil and Gas and we always were the Saudi Arabia of coal. Do we earn all we can exporting our fossil fuels or decide to just keep them in order to reduce global CO2. You all tell me. Money or principals?


Neither. Once we pay off our debt we try to conserve as much of our oil reserves as possible for the future, when their use for advanced polymers will be way more valuable than their use to burn.

The process of burning oil is like burning hand-crafted hardwood furniture to heat a house. It works of course, but handcrafted hardwood furniture is more valuable when used noncombustively.

The future of advanced polymers, gasification and nanostructures will reward those countries that were able to keep from blowing their wads too early.


Britain correctly made a similar strategic decision over a hundred years ago. Their islands were rapidly becoming deforested because wood was burned for heat. They quickly realized that by transitioning to coal they would be able to save their remaining wood for a far more profitable use than burning ... they saved their wood and consequently saved their shipbuilding industry until about Thatcher came in.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:33 PM


Doesn't climate change every hour of every day of f'ng day of the week?.......


Shut up. College professors can't stand logic.


That may be, but at least a lot of them know the difference between weather and climate.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 09:46 PM

Here’s one for the climate geeks….New study finds no significant human-induced warming…
http://www.powerline...ed (Power Line)


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:09 PM

In other news, the www.beerdrinkingblog.com finds no harm from alcohol and the www.welikeorgiesblog.com says herpes is a myth :rolleyes:

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:45 PM

Climate change on an unprecedented scale.

Not enough

as Eva Dent.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 10:51 PM

Here’s one for the climate geeks….New study finds no significant human-induced warming…
http://www.powerline...ed (Power Line)


It doesn't matter how often Anthony Watts post his contrarian views as long as headlines like this dominate, his squeeking won't matter much:

Australia's Weather is so hot, new colors are added to the map
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The forecast in Australia: Hot, hot, hot—and getting hotter.
As a record-breaking heatwave hovers over many regions and territories (which are in their summer months now), the continent’s Bureau of Meteorology has added two new colors to the weather map to reflect the rising mercury.
The map currently shows the weather in orange tones at the top, which indicate temperatures 40 to 48 degrees Celsius. But forecasts are predicting off-the-charts weather. As a result, pink and purple will now cover temperatures over 50 degrees Celsius—should it climb that high.
For those rusty on the temperature conversion, that is a sweat-inducing 122 degrees Fahrenheit. (The record-setting temperature of 50.7 set in 1960 has, thankfully, still not been broken.)
"The forecast coming from the bureau's model is showing temperatures in excess of 50 degrees," said David Jones, head of the bureau's climate monitoring and prediction unit.
According to the Sydney Morning Herald, a "dome of heat" over Australia is contributing to the record-breaking weather, which has gone on for six straight days with average maximum temps above 39 degrees Celcius (102 Fahrenheit). The trend seems likely to continue.



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:05 PM

Climate change on an unprecedented scale.

Not enough

as Eva Dent.

Even if it was unprecedented, which it is not, we still don’t have a workable theory that has proved to be predictive. In fact we don’t even have a theory that accurately explains the record. The appropriate scientific response to these circumstances is skepticism, anything else is faith.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:07 PM


Here’s one for the climate geeks….New study finds no significant human-induced warming…
http://www.powerline...ed (Power Line)


It doesn't matter how often Anthony Watts post his contrarian views as long as headlines like this dominate, his squeeking won't matter much:

Australia's Weather is so hot, new colors are added to the map
Posted Image

The forecast in Australia: Hot, hot, hot—and getting hotter.
As a record-breaking heatwave hovers over many regions and territories (which are in their summer months now), the continent’s Bureau of Meteorology has added two new colors to the weather map to reflect the rising mercury.
The map currently shows the weather in orange tones at the top, which indicate temperatures 40 to 48 degrees Celsius. But forecasts are predicting off-the-charts weather. As a result, pink and purple will now cover temperatures over 50 degrees Celsius—should it climb that high.
For those rusty on the temperature conversion, that is a sweat-inducing 122 degrees Fahrenheit. (The record-setting temperature of 50.7 set in 1960 has, thankfully, still not been broken.)
"The forecast coming from the bureau's model is showing temperatures in excess of 50 degrees," said David Jones, head of the bureau's climate monitoring and prediction unit.
According to the Sydney Morning Herald, a "dome of heat" over Australia is contributing to the record-breaking weather, which has gone on for six straight days with average maximum temps above 39 degrees Celcius (102 Fahrenheit). The trend seems likely to continue.

Bla bla bla...China and Russa are having a record cold winter...but that's weather.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:11 PM



Here’s one for the climate geeks….New study finds no significant human-induced warming…
http://www.powerline...ed (Power Line)


It doesn't matter how often Anthony Watts post his contrarian views as long as headlines like this dominate, his squeeking won't matter much:

Australia's Weather is so hot, new colors are added to the map
Posted Image

The forecast in Australia: Hot, hot, hot—and getting hotter.
As a record-breaking heatwave hovers over many regions and territories (which are in their summer months now), the continent’s Bureau of Meteorology has added two new colors to the weather map to reflect the rising mercury.
The map currently shows the weather in orange tones at the top, which indicate temperatures 40 to 48 degrees Celsius. But forecasts are predicting off-the-charts weather. As a result, pink and purple will now cover temperatures over 50 degrees Celsius—should it climb that high.
For those rusty on the temperature conversion, that is a sweat-inducing 122 degrees Fahrenheit. (The record-setting temperature of 50.7 set in 1960 has, thankfully, still not been broken.)
"The forecast coming from the bureau's model is showing temperatures in excess of 50 degrees," said David Jones, head of the bureau's climate monitoring and prediction unit.
According to the Sydney Morning Herald, a "dome of heat" over Australia is contributing to the record-breaking weather, which has gone on for six straight days with average maximum temps above 39 degrees Celcius (102 Fahrenheit). The trend seems likely to continue.

Bla bla bla...China and Russa are having a record cold winter...but that's weather.


The point is that the movement toward climate change acceptance is being drawn by public opinion, insurance conglomerates and the military. It really doesn't matter what Anthony Watts posts, no one but a small group of people are listening.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:43 PM



Doesn't climate change every hour of every day of f'ng day of the week?.......


Shut up. College professors can't stand logic.


That may be, but at least a lot of them know the difference between weather and climate.

They use big words. Purge them!

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:34 AM

Every time I read a lame-assed story like this, I pull out one of my old carbed, V-8 engines and have it bored .030 over......

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:51 AM



Yo Boothie, my truck is a Hybrid.....





It burns Gas and Oil! :P

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:56 AM




Doesn't climate change every hour of every day of f'ng day of the week?.......


Shut up. College professors can't stand logic.


That may be, but at least a lot of them know the difference between weather and climate.

They use big words. Purge them!


Enemas or laxatives?

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 03:28 AM





US CO2 emissions are at their lowest level in 20 years, and since the decline is due to greatly reduced coal use, it's pretty certain that SOx and mercury emissions are on a similar downward trend.

Global warming Climate change being driven by the US is sooooo last week. Talk to China.


This just in. We buy shit from China.


And all that coal that you're not using anymore will just stay in the ground? Riiight. <_</>


Here in the US? Maybe. Natural gas is already cheaper than coal, and as far as energy production capacity being built now, wind is cheaper now and solar is likely to be cheaper in a pretty short time frame. What would we use the coal for, aside from keeping existing capital investments running?


We might use the coal for gassification, but it's on its way out and in a decade or two it will be cheaper to just leave it in the ground.

Before coal we used peat. Pretty much nobody burns peat anymore. Twilight technologies really do just stay in the ground.


There are several new gassification plants going up now. Southern Company is heavily invested in that particular process. It will be around for a while. Natural Gas is also on the move up.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 09:46 AM



Recently out from the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, is some data showing a pretty significant reversal in American's perception of the reality of 'Global Warming' as a man-made phenomenon. The work, titled "Climate change in the american mind, Americans’ Global Warming Beliefs and Attitudes in September 2012", indicates some significant shifts in people attitudes over the past year or so, as the non-sense about it all being some sort of 'One-world conspiracy' with cooked data out of a cabal of colluding scientists has been overwhelmed by everyday observations of shit going haywire.

The efforts of Happy Jack, Nancy Boy, and the folks on the payroll of Exxon-Mobil aimed at sowing distrust of the science with their 'Climate-gate' BS seems to have been for naught. Folks are choosing to believe their own lying eyes instead of the propaganda out of the noise machine. How refreshing, I guess, but with the net result that another several years of inaction was bought.


Highlights

  • Americans’ belief in the reality of global warming has increased by 13 percentage points over the past two and a half years, from 57 percent in January 2010 to 70 percent in September 2012. At the same time, the number of Americans who say global warming is not happening has declined nearly by half, from 20 percent in January 2010 to only 12 percent today.
  • For the first time since 2008, more than half of Americans (54%) believe global warming is caused mostly by human activities, an increase of 8 points since March 2012. Americans who say it is caused mostly by natural changes in the environment have declined to 30 percent (from 37% in March).
  • A growing number of Americans believe global warming is already harming people both at home and abroad. Four in ten say people around the world are being harmed right now by climate change (40%, up 8 percentage points since March 2012), while 36 percent say global warming is currently harming people in the United States (up six points since March).
  • In addition, they increasingly perceive global warming as a threat to themselves (42%, up 13 points since March 2012), their families (46%, up 13 points), and/or people in their communities (48%, up 14 points). Americans also perceive global warming as a growing threat to people in the United States (57%, up 11 points since March 2012), in other modern industrialized countries (57%, up 8 points since March), and in developing countries (64%, up 12 points since March).
  • Today over half of Americans (58%) say they are “somewhat” or “very worried” - now at its highest level since November 2008.
  • For the first time since 2008, Americans are more likely to believe most scientists agree that global warming is happening than believe there is widespread disagreement on the subject (44% versus 36%, respectively). This is an increase of 9 percentage points since March 2012.



So Chuck - what's your goal w/this?


It was news to me, so I shared it thinking others would find it interesting as well. Was I wrong?


MY single set of eyeballs observations say this poll is relatively accurate.
Amony my republican deniers of man's influence on the environment we have been discusing the fact "something is going on" and how it doesn't matter if people are causing the changes or not.

We are not going to be able to significantly change any of the behaviors alleged to conribute to climate change.
it is warming up over the last many years
we need to plan just in case this is the beginning of a long term trend

I am not finding anyone who denies the three statements above.

around here, it appears much of our watershed is transforming itself into a desert. Maybe this has to do with the one degree increase in temperature...maybe it doesn't

Some our formerly full reservoirs once built to hold flood waters are nearly empty. We all wonder what the hell is going on....and what is coming

we must plan for a water supply if the temperature rises another degree and the rain upstream shuts off altogether.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:36 PM



Doesn't climate change every hour of every day of f'ng day of the week?.......


Shut up. College professors can't stand logic.


That may be, but at least a lot of them know the difference between weather and climate.

Ah, the University of Miami strikes again.

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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:52 PM




Recently out from the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, is some data showing a pretty significant reversal in American's perception of the reality of 'Global Warming' as a man-made phenomenon. The work, titled "Climate change in the american mind, Americans’ Global Warming Beliefs and Attitudes in September 2012", indicates some significant shifts in people attitudes over the past year or so, as the non-sense about it all being some sort of 'One-world conspiracy' with cooked data out of a cabal of colluding scientists has been overwhelmed by everyday observations of shit going haywire.

The efforts of Happy Jack, Nancy Boy, and the folks on the payroll of Exxon-Mobil aimed at sowing distrust of the science with their 'Climate-gate' BS seems to have been for naught. Folks are choosing to believe their own lying eyes instead of the propaganda out of the noise machine. How refreshing, I guess, but with the net result that another several years of inaction was bought.


Highlights

  • Americans’ belief in the reality of global warming has increased by 13 percentage points over the past two and a half years, from 57 percent in January 2010 to 70 percent in September 2012. At the same time, the number of Americans who say global warming is not happening has declined nearly by half, from 20 percent in January 2010 to only 12 percent today.
  • For the first time since 2008, more than half of Americans (54%) believe global warming is caused mostly by human activities, an increase of 8 points since March 2012. Americans who say it is caused mostly by natural changes in the environment have declined to 30 percent (from 37% in March).
  • A growing number of Americans believe global warming is already harming people both at home and abroad. Four in ten say people around the world are being harmed right now by climate change (40%, up 8 percentage points since March 2012), while 36 percent say global warming is currently harming people in the United States (up six points since March).
  • In addition, they increasingly perceive global warming as a threat to themselves (42%, up 13 points since March 2012), their families (46%, up 13 points), and/or people in their communities (48%, up 14 points). Americans also perceive global warming as a growing threat to people in the United States (57%, up 11 points since March 2012), in other modern industrialized countries (57%, up 8 points since March), and in developing countries (64%, up 12 points since March).
  • Today over half of Americans (58%) say they are “somewhat” or “very worried” - now at its highest level since November 2008.
  • For the first time since 2008, Americans are more likely to believe most scientists agree that global warming is happening than believe there is widespread disagreement on the subject (44% versus 36%, respectively). This is an increase of 9 percentage points since March 2012.



So Chuck - what's your goal w/this?


It was news to me, so I shared it thinking others would find it interesting as well. Was I wrong?


MY single set of eyeballs observations say this poll is relatively accurate.
Amony my republican deniers of man's influence on the environment we have been discusing the fact "something is going on" and how it doesn't matter if people are causing the changes or not.

We are not going to be able to significantly change any of the behaviors alleged to conribute to climate change.
it is warming up over the last many years
we need to plan just in case this is the beginning of a long term trend

I am not finding anyone who denies the three statements above.

around here, it appears much of our watershed is transforming itself into a desert. Maybe this has to do with the one degree increase in temperature...maybe it doesn't

Some our formerly full reservoirs once built to hold flood waters are nearly empty. We all wonder what the hell is going on....and what is coming

we must plan for a water supply if the temperature rises another degree and the rain upstream shuts off altogether.


It's a poll about polls.

Masturbation for statisticians.




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