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[LarryE]

Santanna-Schock-23
daggerboard, can towed with a full size car and launching is a breeze.

[Francesco Lenzi]

Fabola Campus (6.3 - 6.6 - 7.4)

[bluelaser2]

Here's a 21' er I drew for myself when I was bored and dreaming.

Looks a lot like a new Beneteau First 20 or 210 family. Twin rudders superior solution at that shape.

[Leon T]

Lindenberg 22

http://www.geocities.ws/lindenberg22/

http://sailboatdata....asp?class_id=94

[Beau.Vrolyk]

I'd suggest a Moore-24 but I don't want any more of them leaving the area.

[U20guy2]

I'd suggest a Moore-24 but I don't want any more of them leaving the area.

No doubt fantastic boat and no they are not allowed East of the Sierras! LOL
For a micro cruiser though I'd rather pass on the Moore 24 butt clamp that Moore 24 owners use to stay in the cockpit and have a boat with cockpit seating for those great evenings at anchor when its warm and a nice glass of wine while kicking back watching the sun set is your reward for finding a great anchoring spot.

[Beau.Vrolyk]

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No doubt fantastic boat and no they are not allowed East of the Sierras! LOL
For a micro cruiser though I'd rather pass on the Moore 24 butt clamp that Moore 24 owners use to stay in the cockpit and have a boat with cockpit seating for those great evenings at anchor when its warm and a nice glass of wine while kicking back watching the sun set is your reward for finding a great anchoring spot.

Yup, not much of a cockpit. Well, they actually have the sort of "pit" that was originally added to flush decked small boats so you'd have someplace to put your feet - as opposed to the "palaces" we now call cockpits. I've seen one equipped with really comfortable cushions that hung from the lifelines (ya I know. A Moore with LifeLines!) and there were event butt cushions. It was quite cozy. Slow, but cozy.

B-)

[Oxygen Mask]

But people are funny. I was very interested in a thing called a Goat Island Skiff for a while. Nice flatiron hull, good proportions for sailing, not bad for rowing either. Standing lug main should be pretty efficient and also quick to set up. However the guys I met who had them were rather fussbudget-y and not very good sailors, so it was impossible to get any useful data about rigging time & sailing performance....

That's a very important point. I've seen a team of guys spend hours re-attaching shrouds, then erecting an a-frame and using the boat trailer winch to step a deck stepped mast on a 20 footer, when I just undo a bunch of bungees, slide the whole mess aft, pin it to the mast base, tilt it up by hand and attach the backstay - by myself, in 15 minutes. Then they are still trying to remember how to run the rigging when I return from a few hours sailing... Same for actual launching - I've seen guys spend hours getting a boat onto a trailer, they're always shocked when 15 minutes after they finally cleared the friggin ramp I'm parked next to them, by myself, unrigging my boat. I used to rig and ramp launch my Santana 20 By Myself in 30 minutes, including attaching the boom and running the lines - ready to hoist sail.

I helps to know how everything actually works, to not undo anything that doesn't need undone, and to keep things simple. Also, prep the trailer so the boat goes on and off with no issues. It's not rocket surgery...

If you spend a few seasons going to regattas, you get good at rigging/launching. Many years ago we campaigned a Santana 525. Two of us could rig and launch in under 45 minutes from arrival to parking the empty trailer, every time. No mast hoist, no winches, no extra helpers. Most people think you can't hand lift a mast that size. Sure you can, just be smart about it. Neither of us were big and strong. Since the boat was kept in the water at home, every 'away' regatta meant pull/derig/travel/rig/launch sail then pull/deirig/travel/re-rig/launch just for the weekend. We did this 3 or 4 times a year, plus the spring launch and fall season end pull. We got good at it. Some people are just anal about stuff or don't really understand their boat.

[U20guy2]

But people are funny. I was very interested in a thing called a Goat Island Skiff for a while. Nice flatiron hull, good proportions for sailing, not bad for rowing either. Standing lug main should be pretty efficient and also quick to set up. However the guys I met who had them were rather fussbudget-y and not very good sailors, so it was impossible to get any useful data about rigging time & sailing performance....

That's a very important point. I've seen a team of guys spend hours re-attaching shrouds, then erecting an a-frame and using the boat trailer winch to step a deck stepped mast on a 20 footer, when I just undo a bunch of bungees, slide the whole mess aft, pin it to the mast base, tilt it up by hand and attach the backstay - by myself, in 15 minutes. Then they are still trying to remember how to run the rigging when I return from a few hours sailing... Same for actual launching - I've seen guys spend hours getting a boat onto a trailer, they're always shocked when 15 minutes after they finally cleared the friggin ramp I'm parked next to them, by myself, unrigging my boat. I used to rig and ramp launch my Santana 20 By Myself in 30 minutes, including attaching the boom and running the lines - ready to hoist sail.

I helps to know how everything actually works, to not undo anything that doesn't need undone, and to keep things simple. Also, prep the trailer so the boat goes on and off with no issues. It's not rocket surgery...

If you spend a few seasons going to regattas, you get good at rigging/launching. Many years ago we campaigned a Santana 525. Two of us could rig and launch in under 45 minutes from arrival to parking the empty trailer, every time. No mast hoist, no winches, no extra helpers. Most people think you can't hand lift a mast that size. Sure you can, just be smart about it. Neither of us were big and strong. Since the boat was kept in the water at home, every 'away' regatta meant pull/derig/travel/rig/launch sail then pull/deirig/travel/re-rig/launch just for the weekend. We did this 3 or 4 times a year, plus the spring launch and fall season end pull. We got good at it. Some people are just anal about stuff or don't really understand their boat.

Having spent over 10yrs trailer sailing a U20 with long stays rigged in the dry yard 10 minutes from being in the water. Even 30-40 minutes to set up and splash can make you pass on taking the boat over to a local ramp for a short sail. If 30-40 minutes to splash wasn't a big deal more people would own and use them!

I sailed my little 15 footer far more on short weekend lake trips than I ever sailed the U20 simply because it took me 10 minutes to splash the boat and be out sailing.

[Francesco Lenzi]

For simplicity the Montgomery 17 would be on my short list.

http://www.montgomer...s.com/photo.php

Should be the same, Sage 17, best winner 2013. It is very nice and interesting for the family cruise

With regard to race / coastal cruising I have no doubt: Seascape18

[Para Bellum]

I'd suggest a Moore-24 but I don't want any more of them leaving the area.

The Moore 24 has a special place in my heart as I've done a lot of racing on one but they are a terrible cruiser. Room below is for storing sails. Unfortunately they don't do well in PHRF racing either as they need a lot of wind to be competitive. Great boat, skookum as hell but I would take a Martin 242 over one as they are rated better, faster overall being light and able to plane AND they have a bigger cabin. Still too spartan to make a great cruiser though. I must admit I'm liking the Beneteau Fist 235...I'm getting too old to not have a head and holding tank.