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#1 FatimaRules

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:12 AM

I need to renew my heavy weather gear.

I'm a big fan of minimum bulk, lightweight gear, relying on proper sealing and undergarments to stay warm, hence Smock.
However I do appreciate you need a proper hood.
Majority of use is going to be in poor weather buoy and inshore racing, however don't want to buy new kit for the 3 times a year max I go offshore.

I was originally thinking Henri Lloyd Shockwave Offshore smock
However I also like the look of of Gill's KB1, but is it too light?

Unfortunately I'm in Australia for the next couple of years, so the pleasure of dropping into an average UK chandlery and having the entire range to try isn't going to happen.

Anyone got any insight into either of these?

Oh, and I've used Henri Lloyd's original keelboat smock for last 10 years and loved it, but the hood is rubbish!

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 06:02 AM

Hi FR,

Atlantis has been proving to be really good. Several racing crews in the NE of the US are using it. The water is usually cold there, even in summer and this one has proven to be very good. We will get you a great deal on it, same as any SA'er:

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Drop me a note if you have any questions.

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:53 PM

I need to renew my heavy weather gear.

I'm a big fan of minimum bulk, lightweight gear, relying on proper sealing and undergarments to stay warm, hence Smock.
However I do appreciate you need a proper hood.
Majority of use is going to be in poor weather buoy and inshore racing, however don't want to buy new kit for the 3 times a year max I go offshore.

I was originally thinking Henri Lloyd Shockwave Offshore smock
However I also like the look of of Gill's KB1, but is it too light?

Unfortunately I'm in Australia for the next couple of years, so the pleasure of dropping into an average UK chandlery and having the entire range to try isn't going to happen.

Anyone got any insight into either of these?

Oh, and I've used Henri Lloyd's original keelboat smock for last 10 years and loved it, but the hood is rubbish!


I have the Shockwave jacket and salopettes and have been very happy after 1 year of sailing. Very comfortable and always waterproof.

#4 Mauri Pro

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:04 PM

Hi,


Over the last couple of years we have seen Henri Lloyd Smocks and Jackets become lighter and softer, while retaining all the performance that you will expect in a high quality foul weather gear.
The Optivision hood definitely adds a great feature to the Shockwave Smock.

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Henri Lloyd Shockwave Hood Smock
Price: $350
Link: Henri Lloyd Smocks
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• Articulated racing hood pod.
• Optivision® Hood System.
• Optivision® Watch window.
• High-vis offshore hood with twin volume adjusters, owl vision.
• Brushed mesh collar lining.
• Quick access gusseted stow pocket with water resisitant zips.
• Hook and Loop external wrist adjusters.
• Internal dartex storm cuff.
• Two way storm flap with drainage channel.
• Two way front zip.
• Bouyancy loops.
• Neoprene Hem with twin adjusters.
• Back waist channel adjuster.
• Differential hem with shockcord adjustment.
• Premolded seam tape at shoulder seam.
• Underlined to speed up drying time, reduced weight and reduced interlayer binding.
• Articulated for ease of movement.
• Contoured to reduce windage.
• Deck Armour impact / Pressure Point protection facility.

Fabric: Henri-Lloyd TP2 Alpha.


Shipping to Australia: No problem, we ship worldwide daily.
Delivery time: Approximately seven business days.

Special Offer: Take advantage of this weekend Special Offer. Get and Extra 5% Off + Free Shipping Worldwide (for orders over $500). Redeem Coupon WWHOLIDAY2012

Best,

Juan

#5 FatimaRules

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:49 PM

Hi,


Over the last couple of years we have seen Henri Lloyd Smocks and Jackets become lighter and softer, while retaining all the performance that you will expect in a high quality foul weather gear.
The Optivision hood definitely adds a great feature to the Shockwave Smock.

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Henri Lloyd Shockwave Hood Smock
Price: $350
Link: Henri Lloyd Smocks
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• Articulated racing hood pod.
• Optivision® Hood System.
• Optivision® Watch window.
• High-vis offshore hood with twin volume adjusters, owl vision.
• Brushed mesh collar lining.
• Quick access gusseted stow pocket with water resisitant zips.
• Hook and Loop external wrist adjusters.
• Internal dartex storm cuff.
• Two way storm flap with drainage channel.
• Two way front zip.
• Bouyancy loops.
• Neoprene Hem with twin adjusters.
• Back waist channel adjuster.
• Differential hem with shockcord adjustment.
• Premolded seam tape at shoulder seam.
• Underlined to speed up drying time, reduced weight and reduced interlayer binding.
• Articulated for ease of movement.
• Contoured to reduce windage.
• Deck Armour impact / Pressure Point protection facility.

• Fabric: Henri-Lloyd TP2 Alpha.


Shipping to Australia: No problem, we ship worldwide daily.
Delivery time: Approximately seven business days.

Special Offer: Take advantage of this weekend Special Offer. Get and Extra 5% Off + Free Shipping Worldwide (for orders over $500). Redeem Coupon WWHOLIDAY2012

Best,

Juan


Thanks for the info. Based on my uses, would you opt for the hooded smock or offshore hooded smock?

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 09:30 PM

Check out the Zhik Isotak Smock with Offshore Removeable Hood. Hood zips on or off depending whether you need it.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:33 AM

Thanks for the info. Based on my uses, would you opt for the hooded smock or offshore hooded smock?


The main difference between the Hooded Smock vs. the Offshore Smock is the height of the collar, which is great when sailing offshore but not ideal for buoy racing (getting fast out of the rail). Also it depends on when (season) you are doing these offshore races.

Our Recommendation:

- Hooded Smock for Inshore buoy racing and warm weather offshore sailing.
- Hooded Offshore Smock for Inshore buoy racing and cold weather/windy with a lot f spray offshore sailing.

Link to both Henri Lloyd Shockwave Smocks)

Best,

Juan

#8 FatimaRules

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:38 AM

Great, thanks all.

Sounds like the standard shockwave smock, and I'll stop doing cold weather offshore!

#9 Mauri Pro

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 12:45 AM

Glad we were able to help.

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Posted 22 November 2012 - 03:19 AM

Oh, and I did listen to the Atlantis and Zhik suggestions, but the first I've never come across so don't really want to order without touching!, and the second is Bhhhhitching expensive!

Thanks guys.

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:25 AM

You may have decided, but here's my $.02. I have the Gill KB1 smock and have been very pleased with it. My sailing is similar to yours, possibly with a bit more offshore time. The smock has been leak-free in several squalls and some pretty nasty ocean trips... We went through a 3-hour "firehoses and buckets" storm earlier this year and I stayed 100% dry.

It can currently be found for a pretty bitchin' price (under $200).

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 04:49 PM

The Zhik is certainly pricey, but it's a great piece of kit. Well worth the $$$ if you ask me...

#13 Mauri Pro

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Posted 23 November 2012 - 05:44 PM

Agree, Zhik Isotak is a great Smock but is on the upper range of price. As pointed out, the Gill KB1 is an alternative at a really good price, after discounts (note: the one posted below is the 2012 version)

Zhik Isotak Smock
PRice: 499
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Isotak smock designed for high performance racing
Very high specification waterproofness and breathability
Glued and taped seams

Super durable water repellency
Adjustable stretch waist
Quality PU cuffs
Racing cut.


Gill KB1 Keelboat Racer Foul Weather Gear
Price: $299 ($239 after Gill promo)
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Next generation waterproof protection for the performance keel boat racer. Designed for those needing trustworthy wet weather protection without excess weight. Our new 4 Dot� 3-layer fabric is the perfect blend of waterproof barrier, breathable comfort and durability.

• Packable, fully adjustable hi-vis hood that fits the head without impeding vision
• Fully taped seams for a waterproof seal.
• Adjustable PU cuffs offer a superior but low bulk seal.
• Brushed collar lining.
• 2 hand pockets with drainage.
• Front zipper storm guard.
• D-ring attachment in pocket for securing items.
• Adjustable hem for an optimized fit.
• Longer back hem for added protection.


SPECIAL GILL OFFER: This Weekend and Cyber Monday, 20% Off all Gill Foul Weather Gear. Redeem Coupon GILL20 (offer cannot be combined with other offers).

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Posted 25 November 2012 - 07:18 AM

I know this is the higher $ end, but would like to see Slam sell those Groupama style smocks.

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 03:13 PM

So does anyone have any additional/real world feedback on the Henry Lloyd hooded Shockwave smock?  I'm primarily on the bow so yeah, most of the water hits me from the side, but a hood is what I used to miss on my old dinghy one piece suit.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 04:44 AM

I ended up with the KB1. Fits the spec perfectly

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Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:39 AM

sweet.  well, i may wait around for another Gill promo then



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 10:57 AM

I have tried a few brands. The last few years I always end up with Musto. Expensive but it keeps lasting longer then other brands.

 

Smocks - they must have a few light smocks with hoods?



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 03:10 PM

Atlantis had a smock for a while, but it's no longer on their web site.

 

perhaps they will have a new model...

 

I never used their smock, but I have used their other gear - the prices generally compare with the least expensive lines from other manufacturers, but the quality seems quite good.



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 05:30 PM

I've been using this one for about a year.

http://www.atlantisw...egis-spray-top/

 

Not offshore but heavier material than most others. The arm pocket and gut pouch are really nice features that are well thought out. It is heavier than Musto, HL, Gill, and others. I caught it on sale at Defender and it was too good to pass up.

 

The other 'spray tops' that I found were just too light weight. 



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Posted 06 September 2013 - 11:01 PM

I have tried a few brands. The last few years I always end up with Musto. Expensive but it keeps lasting longer then other brands.

 

Smocks - they must have a few light smocks with hoods?

 

I've got an MPX smock - a good 4-5 years old now and its seen better days

 

It does the business very well (keeps me dry, is light, easy to get on/off etc, though the collar+hood is a little marginal for offshore.



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Posted 09 September 2013 - 07:05 PM

I also have the KB1 and have been very happy with it. Since it is non-insulating I can use it to stay dry even when it isn't cold (but not when it is warm). I've had a few very wet days and it hasn't let me down yet.



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Posted 13 September 2013 - 06:49 PM

I love my Zhik Isotak Smock - kind of hard to get on and off, but bombproof.



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Posted 13 September 2013 - 07:36 PM

 

You may have decided, but here's my $.02. I have the Gill KB1 smock and have been very pleased with it. My sailing is similar to yours, possibly with a bit more offshore time. The smock has been leak-free in several squalls and some pretty nasty ocean trips... We went through a 3-hour "firehoses and buckets" storm earlier this year and I stayed 100% dry.

It can currently be found for a pretty bitchin' price (under $200).

 
Where can you get if for under $200? Actually I would prefer the KB1 Jacket is it was availbale for the same price.

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 07:53 PM

I've never seen a KB1 for lower than about $250



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Posted 15 September 2013 - 12:48 AM

I've been using the KB1 for 2 years now.  Best investment I made.  Switched from a J24 to An Open 5.70 sport boat and got "much" closer to the water.  Older Gill and West Marine jackets were just too bulky and never dry enough even as the driver in the back of the boat.  The smock is light, breathes well and layers nicely when it is cold.

 

When I picked mine up they were switching models so I was able to pick mine up for under $200.  I bought a large (currently using this) and an XL at around $175 each.  Would be willing to let the unused (still in box) XL go if anyone is interested?

 

Or maybe I will hang on to it for a bit.  If I keep sailing the couch instead of the boat much longer I just might need an XL!



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 06:33 PM

I have been using a Shockwave smock on the bow of an SC37 the past year and I love it.  I am always dry and the thing is so light you don't know you have it on.



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Posted 16 September 2013 - 11:00 PM

This may be a bit off topic, but I would like to recommend the Kokatat Gore-Tex Pac-Lite paddling smock for inshore sailing. It is very lightweight and has the feel of thick cotton. It breathes really well and seals up tight around the wrists and neck. The bottom has a thick gasket to make sure nothing gets past it. I paid about $150 on sale and am very pleased with it. No hood though. I wear it with a smart-wool quarter zip underneath and am quite comfortable sailing in cool weather: 50 deg F.





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