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[NorCalLaser]

fleet looks pretty stacked
http://www.yachtscor...eet.cfm?eID=737

My money is on NYYC

[NorCalLaser]

crews are listed here http://www.yachtscor...list_report.cfm
lotta cat 3's

[smelly weasel]

USA 008 Shimmer

[surf nazi]

Eagan clan

[notallthere]

Lucky Dog/ Gill RT

[usa 917]

FU

[NorCalLaser]

Eagan clan

would be fun to see a team w/ no pro's do well!

[NorCalLaser]

FU

mckee will have those guys in the front of the pack, no doubt

[NYBOZO1]

Pro sailors. Do they out number the regular folk? Gettin silly.

[sunseeker]

Pro sailors. Do they out number the regular folk? Gettin silly.

Past silly.

Pro sailors have sucked the fun out of the sport. It's any class that allows skippers to pay crew is one to be avoided. Don't need a rule about it, just common sense. If you like spending your free time getting beaten by people who are paid to be at your vacation, then something is wrong with that picture. Besides, how many paid sailors are also good looking women? Any? So you go to yet another regatta when rich guys bring paid dudes. Not there is anything wrong with that.

[MR.CLEAN]

Podium Pix:

1: Shimmer - Russ Lucas
2: INTAC - Mark Plaxton
3: Lucky Dog - Travis Weisleder

Print it bitches!

[MR.CLEAN]

Pro sailors. Do they out number the regular folk? Gettin silly.

Past silly.

Pro sailors have sucked the fun out of the sport. It's any class that allows skippers to pay crew is one to be avoided. Don't need a rule about it, just common sense. If you like spending your free time getting beaten by people who are paid to be at your vacation, then something is wrong with that picture. Besides, how many paid sailors are also good looking women? Any? So you go to yet another regatta when rich guys bring paid dudes. Not there is anything wrong with that.

It would help your argument if these sailors weren't voting with their wallets and making the M20 one of the most successful boats out there right now.

These guys are down with it; paying the pros, maybe having their kid or wife aboard too. One or two pros ain't too pricey, and most of these guys are downsizers; they are friends with the pros they want to sail with, and have known them for years.

You don't like it, cool - there are classes for you too.

[sunseeker]

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Pro sailors. Do they out number the regular folk? Gettin silly.
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Past silly.

Pro sailors have sucked the fun out of the sport. It's any class that allows skippers to pay crew is one to be avoided. Don't need a rule about it, just common sense. If you like spending your free time getting beaten by people who are paid to be at your vacation, then something is wrong with that picture. Besides, how many paid sailors are also good looking women? Any? So you go to yet another regatta when rich guys bring paid dudes. Not there is anything wrong with that.
[/quote]

It would help your argument if these sailors weren't voting with their wallets and making the M20 one of the most successful boats out there right now.

These guys are down with it; paying the pros, maybe having their kid or wife aboard too. One or two pros ain't too pricey, and most of these guys are downsizers; they are friends with the pros they want to sail with, and have known them for years.

You don't like it, cool - there are classes for you too.
[/quote]

Exactly. I'm glad for classes like this. If people want to pay people to sail with them, that's their choice and it keeps the pro's out of the classes I enjoy.

Sort of like the line about the Farr 40
Class, best amateurs money can buy.

[quote name='MR.CLEAN' timestamp='1354769496' post='3963561']
[quote name='sunseeker' timestamp='1354765174' post='3963451']
[quote name='NYBOZO1' timestamp='1354760404' post='3963372']
Pro sailors. Do they out number the regular folk? Gettin silly.
[/quote]

Past silly.

Pro sailors have sucked the fun out of the sport. It's any class that allows skippers to pay crew is one to be avoided. Don't need a rule about it, just common sense. If you like spending your free time getting beaten by people who are paid to be at your vacation, then something is wrong with that picture. Besides, how many paid sailors are also good looking women? Any? So you go to yet another regatta when rich guys bring paid dudes. Not there is anything wrong with that.
[/quote]

It would help your argument if these sailors weren't voting with their wallets and making the M20 one of the most successful boats out there right now.

These guys are down with it; paying the pros, maybe having their kid or wife aboard too. One or two pros ain't too pricey, and most of these guys are downsizers; they are friends with the pros they want to sail with, and have known them for years.

You don't like it, cool - there are classes for you too.
[/quote]

Exactly. I'm glad for classes like this. If people want to pay people to sail with them, that's their choice and it keeps the pro's out of the classes I enjoy.

Sort of like the line about the Farr 40
Class, best amateurs money can buy.

[Ludicrous Speed]

Rotfl...

Pro sailors. Do they out number the regular folk? Gettin silly.

Past silly.

Pro sailors have sucked the fun out of the sport. It's any class that allows skippers to pay crew is one to be avoided. Don't need a rule about it, just common sense. If you like spending your free time getting beaten by people who are paid to be at your vacation, then something is wrong with that picture. Besides, how many paid sailors are also good looking women? Any? So you go to yet another regatta when rich guys bring paid dudes. Not there is anything wrong with that.

[Big Show]

Go Canada!

It's getting cold up here. Please send pics of Canucks on boats in the sun having fun. Did I say please?

[NorCalLaser]

I suppose it wouldnt be SA if some whiney little bitch didnt come along and stir up shit...

[Rusty]

Go BOHICA!!!

Critics can hurl shit all they want but for once I agree with Clean on this (shiver). Not only have people voted with their wallets - they've are also voting with their time (just as precious for some).

42 boats on the line in December with a shit load of talent (paid or otherwise...). There's only one word for that, folks... Proper. (Say it right, Frenchie! PROPPAHHH!!!)


Here's a question - is there a "trickle down" effect at work here. By that I mean - does the sailing community (i.e. club racing) benefit from folks racing at a high level over the winter? Perhaps instead of saying things like, I hate classes with Pros, etc. ...we look at the ancilliary benefits of people keeping their axe sharp over the "off season" and bring those thrills and skills back to their respective local racing communities to energize and/or inspire others.

[brutus]

Go BOHICA!!!

Critics can hurl shit all they want but for once I agree with Clean on this (shiver). Not only have people voted with their wallets - they've are also voting with their time (just as precious for some).

42 boats on the line in December with a shit load of talent (paid or otherwise...). There's only one word for that, folks... Proper. (Say it right, Frenchie! PROPPAHHH!!!)


Here's a question - is there a "trickle down" effect at work here. By that I mean - does the sailing community (i.e. club racing) benefit from folks racing at a high level over the winter? Perhaps instead of saying things like, I hate classes with Pros, etc. ...we look at the ancilliary benefits of people keeping their axe sharp over the "off season" and bring those thrills and skills back to their respective local racing communities to energize and/or inspire others.

It appears the opposite is true for the Melges 20.
Are there any local fleets? How often and how many come out and race?
It seems that the fleet is a good excuse to go down south, sail hard at well organized regattas and then put the boat in storage until the next event.
It is a model that works great for melges, but does not seem to translate to regional action.

[KC64000]

12 boats in Toronto area as of Sept 2012. 9 are currently in Miami.

Remainder are jealous.

[NorCalLaser]

first race results are posted:

Audi Melges 20 (One Design - 42 Boats)
1. Section 16, Audi Melges 20 20, Richard Davies , Winnetka, IL, USA - 1, ; 1
2. Fu, Audi Melges 20 20, Marc Hollerbach , Grosse Pointe Park, MI, USA - 2, ; 2
3. STIG, Audi Melges 20 20, Alessandro Rombelli , Milano, MI, ITA - 3, ; 3
4. Cajun Underwriting, Audi Melges 20 20, Marcus Eagan , Madisonville, LA, USA - 4, ; 4
5. Blink 20/20, Audi Melges 20 20, John Arendshorst , Holland, MI, USA - 5, ; 5
6. Red Sky Sailing Team, Audi Melges 20 20, Paul Reilly , Chicago, IL, USA - 6, ; 6
7. Samba Pa Ti, Audi Melges 20 20, John Kilroy , Los Angeles, CA, USA - 7, ; 7
8. Cinghiale , Audi Melges 20 20, Robert Wilber , Stony Creek, CT, USA - 8, ; 8
9. Shimmer, Audi Melges 20 20, Russell Lucas , Little Silver, NJ, USA - 9, ; 9
10. INTAC, Audi Melges 20 20, James Mark Plaxton , Road Town, Tortola, BVI - 10, ; 10
11. Touch2Play, Audi Melges 20 20, Rob & Sandy Butler , Collingwood, Ont, CAN - 11, ; 11
12. Bacio, Audi Melges 20 20, Michael Kiss , Holland, MI, USA - 12, ; 12
13. Atlas, Audi Melges 20 20, Brian and Melissa Hill , Toronto, Ont, CAN - 13, ; 13
14. oleander, Audi Melges 20 20, James Wilson , Rye, NY, USA - 14, ; 14
15. Diamante, Audi Melges 20 20, Danny Shea , Kentfield, CA, USA - 15, ; 15
16. Big Booty, Audi Melges 20 20, Pat Eudy , Charleston, SC, USA - 16, ; 16
17. Flygfisk, Audi Melges 20 20, Tom Kassberg , Belvedere, CA, USA - 17, ; 17
18. Bella Rena, Audi Melges 20 20, Henry Demone , Lunenburg, NS, CAN - 18, ; 18
19. Slippery, Audi Melges 20 20, Jim Pearson , Wheatley, Ont, CAN - 19, ; 19
20. Lucky Dog / Gill Race Team, Audi Melges 20 20, Travis Weisleder , Richmond, VA, USA - 20, ; 20
21. Barking Mad, Audi Melges 20 20, Jim Richardson , Boston, MA, USA - 21, ; 21
22. Bohica, Audi Melges 20 20, Erwyn Naidoo , Toronto, Ont, CAN - 22, ; 22
23. Mach Schnell, Audi Melges 20 20, Kent Haeger , Fort Lauderdale, FL, USA - 23, ; 23
24. Know Name ?, Audi Melges 20 20, Brian Henke , Naples, FL, USA - 24, ; 24
25. Blast!, Audi Melges 20 20, Roland Vandermeer , Hillsborough, CA, USA - 25, ; 25
26. Batteries Not Required, Audi Melges 20 20, Rhonda Joyce , Port Credit, Ont, CAN - 26, ; 26
27. Velocity, Audi Melges 20 20, Clay Broussard , Houston, TX, USA - 27, ; 27
28. Tramp, Audi Melges 20 20, Tom Ritter , Bloomfield Hills, MI, USA - 28, ; 28
29. Black Sheep, Audi Melges 20 20, Jon Messenger , port credit, Ont, CAN - 29, ; 29
30. Slingshot, Audi Melges 20 20, Wes Whitmyer Jr , Stamford, CT, USA - 30, ; 30
31. Wild Deuces , Audi Melges 20 20, Paul Currie , Toronto, Ont, CAN - 31, ; 31
32. Elevation Racing, Audi Melges 20 20, Anthony Tabb , New York, NY, USA - 32, ; 32
33. No Name Yet, Audi Melges 20 20, Thomas Bowen , Charleston, SC, USA - 33, ; 33
34. Blind Squirrel, Audi Melges 20 20, John Brown , Newtown Square, PA, USA - 34, ; 34
35. Valkyrie, Audi Melges 20 20, Andrew Rasdal , San Diego, CA, USA - 35, ; 35
36. Uno Mas, Audi Melges 20 20, Erik Post , Winnetka, IL, USA - 36, ; 36
37. Evoked Potential, Audi Melges 20 20, John Kimura , Charlotte, VT, USA - 37, ; 37
38. Endorphin, Audi Melges 20 20, Erik Wulff , Washington, DC, USA - 38, ; 38
39. Kuai, Audi Melges 20 20, Daniel Thielman , Tiburon, CA, USA - 39, ; 39
40. D I E S E L, Audi Melges 20 20, Tate Russack , Annapolis, MD, USA - 43/DNC, ; 43
41. dp, Audi Melges 20 20, David Pollock , Mississauga, Ont, CAN - 43/DNC, ; 43
42. Sean Scarborough, Audi Melges 20 20, Sean Scarborough , Gibbsboro, NJ, USA - 43/DNC, ; 43

[jesposito]

Wow!
Barking Fag mid fleet?

[Rusty]

Wow!
Barking Fag mid fleet?

Does that make you feel like a big man?

Dickhead.

[Maxx Baqustae]

Thanks Norcal. I see my friend J. McKee and team FU are right up there.

I always get lost on the Melges sites for some reason or is it me?

Here's the results in another form that might be able to be refreshed for tomorrow. Sounds light though today:
http://www.yachtscor...enu.cfm?eID=737

(Ya, ya - I know: its me.)

[stinger]

Wow!
Barking Fag mid fleet?

Does that make you feel like a big man?

Dickhead.

Someone is sensitive...

[NorCalLaser]

Thanks Norcal. I see my friend J. McKee and team FU are right up there.

I always get lost on the Melges sites for some reason or is it me?

Here's the results in another form that might be able to be refreshed for tomorrow. Sounds light though today:
http://www.yachtscor...enu.cfm?eID=737

(Ya, ya - I know: its me.)

Clean's picks look solid...
Nice to see Troll & StFYC positioning themselves for a podium finish.
Fu has come back to earth.
WTF NYYC, goody get your shit together-- losing to 2 canuckers and one of your fellow red-coats?!

[NorCalLaser]

PS- go the Team Cajun Underwriting, who says you need pros to win in M20s?

PPS- seems like a reasonable compromise would be to allow no more than 1 cat3 sailor on each boat

[jesposito]

Wow!
Barking Fag mid fleet?

Does that make you feel like a big man?

Dickhead.

Fuck off!

[NorCalLaser]

this is a legit SA thread now that espo has told someone to f-off!

[jesposito]

this is a legit SA thread now that espo has told someone to f-off!

Hey, I was just minding my own business, and some douche called me a dickhead.
When all I did was ask a question in a prior post

[NorCalLaser]

this is a legit SA thread now that espo has told someone to f-off!

Hey, I was just minding my own business, and some douche called me a dickhead.
When all I did was ask a question in a prior post

its all good Mr E... the NYYC folks tend to be a bit sensitive

[surf nazi]

Eagan clan

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Well the Eagan clan of "amateurs" did pretty well as I predicted. It's really nice to see a family ( Father and sons with son driving ) doing well in such a tough fleet. This is what sailing should be about. Congrats to Marcus, Mark and Andrew.

[Left Hook]

80% of the top 5 boats stacked with pros.

[jwhj30]

Way to go, Eagans!! Great to see our local boys doing so well. 1st VX One and 2nd Melges 20, what's next?