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#1 Gatekeeper

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:16 PM

I remember when CA was all about pride in our boats...funny stories...solutions and advice...emotional support among us...the fascination of watching the design process of a new yacht, and then seeing it become a reality...

We were unique in how we helped one another, while being a safe refuge from the vitriol so accepted on SA.

It's time to take back our friendly little corner pub that is CA...ignore the nasty component that is clawing to get in the door, and focus on our CA family.

I'm am guilty of crossing the line lately, and I've made a commitment to myself to always remember why I embraced this group the day I signed on for the first time.

I'm not giving up CA without a fight, and my weapon of choice is the "ignore" setting.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:26 PM

Bravo

#3 Gatekeeper

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:33 AM

(embarrassing but how do I find the ignore button?)

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:40 AM

(embarrassing but how do I find the ignore button?)

Go up to the top right where your user name is and click on it.
You should get a drop down menu and one choice is "My Settings"
On the left of the page you end up at you will have a number of choices. The 5th one down is "'Ignore' Preferences"
Click on that and you will be able to add users to ignore.

Staff-a-cockus made me want to figure out how to make it work recently.

#5 Gatekeeper

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 12:44 AM

Yup...that worked.

Thanks Sal

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:58 PM

I put three on ignore and I feel much better now.

:P

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:25 PM

I have it on good authority the Bob has left CA for the time being...considering who we gained and who we lost, it doesn't look like a great deal for those of us who have learned so much from Bob, and count him as a friend.

Hopefully in time the the problem children will move on and Bob will return.

This forum has proven to be an asset for so many of us, where is the joy in trying to tear it apart?

<_<

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:35 PM

I have it on good authority the Bob has left CA for the time being...considering who we gained and who we lost, it doesn't look like a great deal for those of us who have learned so much from Bob, and count him as a friend.

Hopefully in time the the problem children will move on and Bob will return.

This forum has proven to be an asset for so many of us, where is the joy in trying to tear it apart?

<_<


I'm very sorry to hear that. I hope he returns soon. And these other wankers leave sooner.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:57 PM

I have it on good authority the Bob has left CA for the time being...


I think this happens to people here all the time. Sometimes the place is just too much. Backs to Son's bar analogy, hang anywhere too long and something will get to you. Good news is that it passes and most everyone comes back.



#10 Gatekeeper

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:19 PM

Jack

I hope you & Vik are right....

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 06:51 PM

Congratulations, Dale.

Feel better now?

I knew when that fucking asshole showed up here that he would be trouble, and I was right.

Maybe it's time I moved on too, the barbarians are at the gates.

#12 Gatekeeper

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:15 PM

Hang in Ish...better days are ahead.

Maybe we can lure Bob back!

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 07:33 PM

I remember when CA was all about pride in our boats...funny stories...solutions and advice...emotional support among us...the fascination of watching the design process of a new yacht, and then seeing it become a reality...

We were unique in how we helped one another, while being a safe refuge from the vitriol so accepted on SA.

It's time to take back our friendly little corner pub that is CA...ignore the nasty component that is clawing to get in the door, and focus on our CA family.

I'm am guilty of crossing the line lately, and I've made a commitment to myself to always remember why I embraced this group the day I signed on for the first time.

I'm not giving up CA without a fight, and my weapon of choice is the "ignore" setting.

a kinder & gentler
Gate


+1

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:23 PM

Hang in Ish...better days are ahead.

Maybe we can lure Bob back!


I think this pic /\ will put a big smile on Bob's face....

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:40 PM

Keith

Just for you...

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:55 PM

Jack

I hope you & Vik are right....

Holy crap, that is a beachball!

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:10 PM

Gate-

CA is still the walled-off garden of SA. Occasionally a few flies hovering over the turds in the other sub-forums drift over here, but I just hear buzzing sounds and ignore it. Hopefully Bob will too, after a break and he'll come back.

I have learned so much from you guys, and made some solid friendships so I hope you don't leave. You hear me Ish?? :)

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:51 PM

There is always some crap going on. Some dickhead gets worked up, and there is great angst - should I ignore DT or call him out as an idiot? Should I reply to Staff-a-doofus?

I say: Fuck you all! :) Thanks for all the great advice, and I'm not going anywhere.

The sad thing is that the latest generation of idiots don't grasp that this is not a closed shop. Ish, Gate, and many others predate me, I predate Ajax, yet we are all part of the community. Some will periodically storm out, hopefully they will return but life goes on. I've made some great friends here, met a couple in real life, and to me it is a worthwhile place to hang.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 10:54 PM

I think we all enjoyed the crap out of the DT era.
Just sayin'

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:06 PM

Not.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:17 PM

If you can find a post that was so offensive that made BP decided he was going to run away.

I'll find one that preceded it, takes two to tango.

Put it on my head if you want, if you can justify doing that, I'm happy for you.

But your wrong.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:34 PM

Not.

I sense some denial.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:40 PM


Not.

I sense some Daniel.


Fixed.

Dr. Electron raised his head a couple of days ago, I fear a zombie attack coming on.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:54 PM

Really? What nom de plume did he use?
Only a matter of time since BJ has left to sail off into the ocean blue. (I'm sure he mentioned that right?)

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:55 PM

Dr. Electron.

There's an echo in here.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 11:59 PM

Ahhh, sorry. I thought you were referring to DT as the good doctor as a reference, not in a literal way. I thought Dr. Electron was a banned name, so that sort of shocks me.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 12:00 AM

Dr. Electron.

There's an echo in here.


Don't mention his name! If you say it three times...

Oops, shit, sorry. :blink:

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 12:05 AM

Come on now, we all enjoyed his theories on ground planes and micro antennas.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 12:39 AM



Not.

I sense some Daniel.


Fixed.

Dr. Electron raised his head a couple of days ago, I fear a zombie attack coming on.

That slipped by me. I didn't catch that he changed his name again.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:29 AM

There are a few reasons why this place has gone down hill.

Folk having more fun abusing DT that talking about boats and boating. the tone just keeps going down hill. If you don't like what someone says just ignore them and encourage others to do the same. Ie. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

Things that should be in GA becoming the norm here. Why? THAT'S WHAT GA IS FOR.

On and on and on about exotic cars. We are a one car family, we choose to have one car to help pay for owning a boat, always makes me feel special when the exotic cars come up again. I get the sailing is a wealthyer sport but come on, harping on about expensive cars in a sailing forum? TAKE IT TO GA.

Guys there is a difference between respecting people and being a groupie.

Shit fights: Don't contribute to them, Dales Thread would have been a non event if folk had just ignored it. Think about that.

How many threads is this on "why isn’t CA about sailing any more.?"

I left a spelling mistake in there, just so It can be found by someone.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:43 AM

There are a few reasons why this place has gone down hill.

Folk having more fun abusing DT that talking about boats and boating. the tone just keeps going down hill. If you don't like what someone says just ignore them and encourage others to do the same. Ie. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

Things that should be in GA becoming the norm here. Why? THAT'S WHAT GA IS FOR.

On and on and on about exotic cars. We are a one car family, we choose to have one car to help pay for owning a boat, always makes me feel special when the exotic cars come up again. I get the sailing is a wealthyer sport but come on, harping on about expensive cars in a sailing forum? TAKE IT TO GA.

Guys there is a difference between respecting people and being a groupie.

Shit fights: Don't contribute to them, Dales Thread would have been a non event if folk had just ignored it. Think about that.

How many threads is this on "why isn’t CA about sailing any more.?"

I left a spelling mistake in there, just so It can be found by someone.


Hats off, I agree and I'm guilty.

BTW, I found 2 spelling mistakes.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:01 AM

usa, I purposely did not mention any names, The idea of my post is that you can read it, we all know what parts apply to us, yes me included. Not to continue the bickering.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:11 AM

usa, I purposely did not mention any names, The idea of my post is that you can read it, we all know what parts apply to us, yes me included. Not to continue the bickering.


Well you mentioned me :).

And its your fault FD 'cause you replied.

It surprised me what came out, obviously some needed an outlet.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:22 AM

true
true
true.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 07:58 AM

There are a few reasons why this place has gone down hill.

Folk having more fun abusing DT that talking about boats and boating. the tone just keeps going down hill. If you don't like what someone says just ignore them and encourage others to do the same. Ie. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

Things that should be in GA becoming the norm here. Why? THAT'S WHAT GA IS FOR.

On and on and on about exotic cars. We are a one car family, we choose to have one car to help pay for owning a boat, always makes me feel special when the exotic cars come up again. I get the sailing is a wealthyer sport but come on, harping on about expensive cars in a sailing forum? TAKE IT TO GA.

Guys there is a difference between respecting people and being a groupie.

Shit fights: Don't contribute to them, Dales Thread would have been a non event if folk had just ignored it. Think about that.

How many threads is this on "why isn’t CA about sailing any more.?"

I left a spelling mistake in there, just so It can be found by someone.


Well put Dutchie.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 08:18 AM


There are a few reasons why this place has gone down hill.

Folk having more fun abusing DT that talking about boats and boating. the tone just keeps going down hill. If you don't like what someone says just ignore them and encourage others to do the same. Ie. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

Things that should be in GA becoming the norm here. Why? THAT'S WHAT GA IS FOR.

On and on and on about exotic cars. We are a one car family, we choose to have one car to help pay for owning a boat, always makes me feel special when the exotic cars come up again. I get the sailing is a wealthyer sport but come on, harping on about expensive cars in a sailing forum? TAKE IT TO GA.

Guys there is a difference between respecting people and being a groupie.

Shit fights: Don't contribute to them, Dales Thread would have been a non event if folk had just ignored it. Think about that.

How many threads is this on "why isn’t CA about sailing any more.?"

I left a spelling mistake in there, just so It can be found by someone.


Well put Dutchie.


+1

Some trolls are not quite there, I find baiting them is quite offensive.

But then I am used to dealing with people with mental illness.

Others are under the influence of recreational substances, as are some regular posters sometimes.

Maybe we need to take a deep breath and just walk away if folks are offensive.

No point forcing them into a corner, and having to defend statements they wish they had not made.



Or else just post some tits, seems to work every time.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:19 AM

And so much more civilized.


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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:06 PM

I remember when CA was all about pride in our boats...funny stories...solutions and advice...emotional support among us...the fascination of watching the design process of a new yacht, and then seeing it become a reality...

We were unique in how we helped one another, while being a safe refuge from the vitriol so accepted on SA.

It's time to take back our friendly little corner pub that is CA...ignore the nasty component that is clawing to get in the door, and focus on our CA family.

I'm am guilty of crossing the line lately, and I've made a commitment to myself to always remember why I embraced this group the day I signed on for the first time.

I'm not giving up CA without a fight, and my weapon of choice is the "ignore" setting.

a kinder & gentler
Gate


Well said Gate!

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 01:23 PM

There are a few reasons why this place has gone down hill.

Folk having more fun abusing DT that talking about boats and boating. the tone just keeps going down hill. If you don't like what someone says just ignore them and encourage others to do the same. Ie. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

Things that should be in GA becoming the norm here. Why? THAT'S WHAT GA IS FOR.

On and on and on about exotic cars. We are a one car family, we choose to have one car to help pay for owning a boat, always makes me feel special when the exotic cars come up again. I get the sailing is a wealthyer sport but come on, harping on about expensive cars in a sailing forum? TAKE IT TO GA.

Guys there is a difference between respecting people and being a groupie.

Shit fights: Don't contribute to them, Dales Thread would have been a non event if folk had just ignored it. Think about that.

How many threads is this on "why isn’t CA about sailing any more.?"

I left a spelling mistake in there, just so It can be found by someone.


I hadn't noticed so much thread drift, maybe because when it turns to cars, motorcycles, guitars, etc. I tend to lose interest in the thread?

Doesn't seem so different to me, but then I don't go in many of the boat design threads.

No reason for anyone to leave just because the occasional troll jumps over the fence, the fence is only waist high by design.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:00 PM


There are a few reasons why this place has gone down hill.

Folk having more fun abusing DT that talking about boats and boating. the tone just keeps going down hill. If you don't like what someone says just ignore them and encourage others to do the same. Ie. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

Things that should be in GA becoming the norm here. Why? THAT'S WHAT GA IS FOR.

On and on and on about exotic cars. We are a one car family, we choose to have one car to help pay for owning a boat, always makes me feel special when the exotic cars come up again. I get the sailing is a wealthyer sport but come on, harping on about expensive cars in a sailing forum? TAKE IT TO GA.

Guys there is a difference between respecting people and being a groupie.

Shit fights: Don't contribute to them, Dales Thread would have been a non event if folk had just ignored it. Think about that.

How many threads is this on "why isn’t CA about sailing any more.?"

I left a spelling mistake in there, just so It can be found by someone.


I hadn't noticed so much thread drift, maybe because when it turns to cars, motorcycles, guitars, etc. I tend to lose interest in the thread?

Doesn't seem so different to me, but then I don't go in many of the boat design threads.

No reason for anyone to leave just because the occasional troll jumps over the fence, the fence is only waist high by design.


I'm with you BJ. Lately work has limited my time on the forum but sometimes I participate (or cause) thread drift. Sometimes I ignore it. I gave up on wrestling with trolls as they enjoy it and it just prolongs the hijacking. Some folks have a pretty healthy S/N ratio. Others are all noise and just need to be tuned out.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:04 PM

There are a few reasons why this place has gone down hill.

Folk having more fun abusing DT that talking about boats and boating. the tone just keeps going down hill. If you don't like what someone says just ignore them and encourage others to do the same. Ie. DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.

Things that should be in GA becoming the norm here. Why? THAT'S WHAT GA IS FOR.

On and on and on about exotic cars. We are a one car family, we choose to have one car to help pay for owning a boat, always makes me feel special when the exotic cars come up again. I get the sailing is a wealthyer sport but come on, harping on about expensive cars in a sailing forum? TAKE IT TO GA.

Guys there is a difference between respecting people and being a groupie.

Shit fights: Don't contribute to them, Dales Thread would have been a non event if folk had just ignored it. Think about that.

How many threads is this on "why isn’t CA about sailing any more.?"

I left a spelling mistake in there, just so It can be found by someone.

Nah. The trick to DT was we confined him to one thread. Thus when he wandered about, we ignored or responded in 'his' thread. This both indulged him and contained him.
It is the interweb, you aren't going to do anything about the trolls being about. Best you can hope for is to have fun with it and minimize the damage.

One other thing. It isn't always about sailing and doesn't always have to be about sailing. It is about sharing thoughts, ideas and stories with like minded sailors. I have hung around SA for nearly a decade now. In the early days many, including myself kept it to sailing...but that wore thin after a bit. Sure the sailing still rears its head from time to time, but it is the camaraderie that keeps us coming back.

Hey, I hear BJ cut the lines and went sailing finally. Anyone hear from him lately?? ;)

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:08 PM

Hey, I hear BJ cut the lines and went sailing finally. Anyone hear from him lately?? ;)


Yeah, he sailed outside the environment. Now he's stuck there! :)

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:15 PM

Keeping DT in his thread worked out for the most part. Thing with him was he was smart enough to be dangerous. He was always posting something technical that was WRONG but sounded plausible if you had no expertise in that area.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:38 PM

KIS there are a lot of people in the world who do that. My take is they are too busy trying to impress others with what they know that they don't take the time to learn what it is they wish to use to impress others. The reason they get away with it, for the most part, is they are dealing with people who know even less than they do. DT made the mistake of trying that BS here, dug his heels in and couldn't find a way out with honor. His ego just wouldn't allow it.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 03:50 PM

Keeping DT in his thread worked out for the most part. Thing with him was he was smart enough to be dangerous. He was always posting something technical that was WRONG but sounded plausible if you had no expertise in that area.


Well, I would disagree with your assessment but will most certainly embrace and reflect upon the opinions posited by others. I couldn't in good conscience KIS, accept your and KDH's refutations of my claims that battery impedance lowers as the cell-chemistry charges, based on your claim of selling batteries for many years. You, and others, were incorrect and I felt compelled to proffer the correct science to bolster my statements. I honestly felt I was doing the forum a service by taking stance against your errant technical contributions to this matter. VMG, ground-planes, antennae, coax selection, coaxial connectors, Honda generators, SSB, AIS, are all topics that could be discussed here, maturely and science-based, and distill to something of value for many sailors.

I did a poor job in my attempts to broach these topics apparently, and I apologize for disruptions to the forum for doing so. I also came to understand that many may not carry the intellectual wherewithal to correctly assess the argument or understand that what they indict as WRONG is not wrong, but that their confutations are an artifact of how limiting their own understanding may be on the topic at hand.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 04:02 PM

I will give you this DT, you are very eloquent, in an arrogant sort of way, at blowing smoke up peoples asses. Just remember, it is those that fancy themselves as visionaries that tend to be most blind to the obvious.

Love to Debbie. ;)

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 05:21 PM

I thought Gate had a really good idea. I was excited at the prospect that MAYBE everyone could play nice in the sandbox. Why is it that this topic, one with a positive message, has already turned into a blame game with name calling?

Maybe it’s just me but I can’t understand why people think so highly of their own opinions and constantly believe they have more experience and expertise than anyone else. These people are doing us all a disservice by allowing us to believe that their opinions are facts when in truth they are not. I personally enjoy the intellectual debates where facts are presented and one can draw conclusions as they see fit.

I miss the old days when a person was not protected by anonymity and anything that was said would directly reflect on the person saying it. Gone is the accountability for acting like an ass, hurting someone, acting with malice or just being an overall d-bag.

What is sad is that only about 10 people can spoil this for the rest of us.

I am in no way directing any of these comments at any one individual nor one event. They are simply observations.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 09:41 PM

science keeps us honest ... no matter how many batteries you sell or the number of Ferrari's you own or wish to own.

and why would I care that your wife loves her new Golf?

I just don't get that abstraction ... sorry

daniel


Ya know Danny, you never did answer my question the last time you were here, and I am always looking for new techniques, in the spirit of cooperation, maybe you could post that instead of sniping at JT...

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:19 PM

Too funny.
It's like a megalomaniac dictator setting the terms for his return to power, that no one wants but him, after an unpleasent ouster.
Always entertaining though.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:37 PM

Ahhh, I forgot about the contradictions posed within you particular form of prose.
Shall I ask how one is oblivious to one you wish to address or will this just lead to more of your trademaker circular speak?
And I doubt Debbie would be so much aware of me as she is to your particular plight and problems. To suggest that she would flip me the bird is just your feelings transposed upon your wife (she is still your wife no?). While I understand why you would do so, in a grasp of hope that it might lend creedence to your feelings, I hardly think it fair to her, of you to use her as you do and have done for so long now.

Anyhow, moving on to more pleasant topics, still own the boat? Any plans to go sailing in the future? Any real sailing accomplishments since we last chatted?

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:39 PM

I tried, really I did. You just stated a willingness to share your knowledge with the forum at large, and yet you hesitate. What is a name? Call me Chorus, just setting the stage for your elucidation, as it were.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:51 PM

WOW. This place is full of some fucked up shit.

Inbreeding, prodigal socks, and false idol worship.

Its the voyage of the damned.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:52 PM

WOW. This place is full of some fucked up shit.

Inbreeding, prodigal socks, and false idol worship.

Its the voyage of the damned.


But the beer is cold. :)


This too shall pass.

#54 No.6

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:59 PM

Timo, it is not the name, it is the number he wants. The name would only serve to confirm the number. This to him is the mark of the man. It is also the basis for why he hates us all so. He thought buying the boat got him access and credibility to "the club" he so desperately wishes to belong. But alas, he was shunned, blackballed because a fictitious "circumnavigation" of Vancouver Island was not enough to gain respect of his CA "peers". The fantasy of sailing to Hawaii did not gain him the notoriety he so sought. Then the ultimate disgrace, the trip to the Columbia River, Tales of hellacious sailing conditions, whole gales, surfing across the bar...what should have attained Daniel the status he sought and would cherish to have bestowed upon him...only to have it all debunked by a few ocean buoy reports.

And Jack, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:19 PM

LOL, you are funny.

So did you sell the boat DT? Seriously.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:22 PM

LOL, you are funny.

So did you sell the boat DT? Seriously.


Yep, he posted pictures of his new ride a while back. All 27 feet of Catalina thoroughbred.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 11:26 PM

Really? A Catalina 27 huh? Interesting move.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:23 PM

Since DT came back from the internet grave - EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION.
Do NOT - I repeat NOT - respond to him in ANY other thread but his own.
I know it is more work to copy>paste and juggle threads, but sooner or later he'll be back in his own thread and ALL OF CA won't be made unusable ;)
Thanks for your help in this matter.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:56 PM

At this point I see no need to respond to him or anyone else that wishes to promote dissension, if they don't bring anything more viable then discord.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:06 PM

That of course is even better :D

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:24 PM

There are a lot of dudes with 'tude here at CA, but many of those same dudes (and gals) have knowledge and experience that they share freely. There is also a distinct 'good old boys club' operating here. And there are some really gentle folk who ignore the riff raff and make truly thoughtful, welcome posts. I follow several other sailing forums but nowhere else do you get so much from respected designers, model makers, accomplished passage makers and, yes, rich yachtsmen. Also, armchair admirals, no-boat sailors and loudmouths and trolls. Just as in real life, I take the good with the bad in this virtual international microcosm of cruising. Some of you anarchists really need to work on virtual tact and diction though... ^_^

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:58 PM


Keeping DT in his thread worked out for the most part. Thing with him was he was smart enough to be dangerous. He was always posting something technical that was WRONG but sounded plausible if you had no expertise in that area.


Well, I would disagree with your assessment but will most certainly embrace and reflect upon the opinions posited by others. I couldn't in good conscience KIS, accept your and KDH's refutations of my claims that battery impedance lowers as the cell-chemistry charges, based on your claim of selling batteries for many years. You, and others, were incorrect and I felt compelled to proffer the correct science to bolster my statements. I honestly felt I was doing the forum a service by taking stance against your errant technical contributions to this matter. VMG, ground-planes, antennae, coax selection, coaxial connectors, Honda generators, SSB, AIS, are all topics that could be discussed here, maturely and science-based, and distill to something of value for many sailors.

I did a poor job in my attempts to broach these topics apparently, and I apologize for disruptions to the forum for doing so. I also came to understand that many may not carry the intellectual wherewithal to correctly assess the argument or understand that what they indict as WRONG is not wrong, but that their confutations are an artifact of how limiting their own understanding may be on the topic at hand.

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I enjoy reading this forum and feel wholly justified in responding to this derision as I have. I have deleted the other postings borne from the 'No.6 taunting.

reread the threads and you will generally find my contributions swamped by the noise generated by others.

as I said previously -

I also came to understand that many may not carry the intellectual wherewithal to correctly assess the argument or understand that what they indict as WRONG is not wrong, but that their confutations are an artifact of how limiting their own understanding may be on the topic at hand.

the forum benefits from better science and discovery .. even if proffered by an unlikeable chap as myself :wacko:

have a great day ...

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:41 PM

Like a broken record....reminds me of Ground Hog Day.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:07 PM

I've been away for a couple days but I see by the titles the problem children have gone through this thread like a recessive gene...time to abandon my own thread.

No surprise.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:13 PM

Here are some things, some hard learned, since I started playing about in USENET/Internet in 1988.
  • I can't change how any of you behave (for good or bad). I can only change myself.

  • It's not worth it to engage someone who is here for a 'fight', to prove they are right, or to insult others for fun and profit. They are cowards not requiring any response or attention. They are very unlikely to have the courage of their convictions to act like this in person. The internet feeds a false bravado that makes them feel important and powerful.

  • Quoting them only feeds their egos and gives them the attention they so desperately desire. I don't have to feed that. See item #1.
"Be the change you want to see. Don't be the cowardly asshole on the internet, full of rage and fury, signifying nothing." -- me

Having had my say, I'll retire from this thread and manage my Ignore Prefs. I'm not interested in wrestling with a pig, as the saying goes.

#66 Dr. Electron

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:42 PM

to keep this thread intellectually honest, I implore you to read the thread from the beginning. my name was mentioned in passing many times by several posters and ultimately I was compelled to defend myself from kent_island_sailor's indictment. it seems a reasonable thing to do in the spirit of anarchy. I pride myself on my technical prowess and cling to the notion that KIS's insistence on his flawed understanding of cell-chemistry and electrical laws give him zero credibility to denigrate my contributions.

it's what most everyone here would do, in their defense, and what is a reasonable expectation.

the noise and derailment is the work of others.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:53 PM

The appeal of the `Anarchy' title is hard to describe ... but it is about being free to express yourself and political correctness be damned.

I've always like CA as the sensible place in Anarchy where some older wiser blokes hang out. When you learn over time the resumes of some posters here, anyone would think twice about mouthing off.

Some posters think pulling CA apart is part of the whole anarchy thing. Some can't agree to disagree; ie they are always right and must convince others, some swear terribly and they're quants. It can be a bit of a rabble.

I just hope Bob isn't offended ;)

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:19 PM

Here are some things, some hard learned, since I started playing about in USENET/Internet in 1988.

  • I can't change how any of you behave (for good or bad). I can only change myself.

  • It's not worth it to engage someone who is here for a 'fight', to prove they are right, or to insult others for fun and profit. They are cowards not requiring any response or attention. They are very unlikely to have the courage of their convictions to act like this in person. The internet feeds a false bravado that makes them feel important and powerful.

  • Quoting them only feeds their egos and gives them the attention they so desperately desire. I don't have to feed that. See item #1.
"Be the change you want to see. Don't be the cowardly asshole on the internet, full of rage and fury, signifying nothing." -- me

Having had my say, I'll retire from this thread and manage my Ignore Prefs. I'm not interested in wrestling with a pig, as the saying goes.

+1

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:23 PM

Although one DOES wish there were something a bit stiffer than ignore - it's time this community got the ability tio shun posters that blather without contribution.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:04 AM

Reading the above is very interesting.

When you are done writing the rules... :blink:

You are all welcome to come down the prossy river, yes in my tinny, and see the crocs.

If certain people were honest with themselves they would see the bulling, hence why I stepped in and said something.

If you dont get, may be you should sit in the corner.

Childish grumpy old cunts. :P

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:49 AM

Lets got back in time....


As you all know somebody deleted posts as some people do here.

So this post lead to a topic... Grow Up.

LINK TO POST!

I KILLED CA :lol:

#72 No.6

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 12:20 PM

At least when DT was at his very worst, the height of his obnoxious and disruptive ways, he still managed to be a bit entertaining to us all.
You, on the other hand, only manage the obnoxious and disruptive bits. Please work on your game some.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:09 PM

Kinda hard for him not to be grumpy when he's always got a hangover. If he tried adding some tomato juice to that VB, he probably wouldn't have that problem.

or just quit drinking.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:20 PM

Although one DOES wish there were something a bit stiffer than ignore - it's time this community got the ability tio shun posters that blather without contribution.


I would be happy with ignore if it truly, 100% ignored people. Instead, we still get to see that annoying 'This post is hidden because you've chosen to ignore it' message. How stupid is that? Don't you think if I've chosen to ignore it, that means I don't want to see anything having to do with it?

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:02 PM

Since some trolls take great pleasure in soiling a forum rather than leave it if they don't like it, it would be good to have an "Unlike" function. Anymore than 30 "Unlikes" in a month, and the person is on probation which could be: they have 30 days to clean up their act. Anymore Unlikes in the next month, they're gone. If there are double the number of standard unlikes in the month, they are gone without any probation.

I can see that in a site called Anarchy, that it implies conflict, and perhaps more hit traffic, but there comes a point where the conflict undermines those that host the site too.
This is one of those occasions.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:39 PM

go and cry to the editor then, he is the almighty powerful and has the ability to kick them out. But then that makes you the little brat in school that can't take care of himself and needs to tell on others. double edge sword, your pick. I'd be inclined and let them be, they will fizzle out over time.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:57 PM

Since some trolls take great pleasure in soiling a forum rather than leave it if they don't like it, it would be good to have an "Unlike" function. Anymore than 30 "Unlikes" in a month, and the person is on probation which could be: they have 30 days to clean up their act. Anymore Unlikes in the next month, they're gone. If there are double the number of standard unlikes in the month, they are gone without any probation.

I can see that in a site called Anarchy, that it implies conflict, and perhaps more hit traffic, but there comes a point where the conflict undermines those that host the site too.
This is one of those occasions.


+1

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:25 PM

It’s inconceivable how some people who seem fairly bright and have progressed to the level where they can feed themselves, wipe their own ass, fuck, raise children, make money, spend time on the web, and sail a bit, are unable to not read a post by someone they think is an idiot.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:55 PM

It’s inconceivable how some people who seem fairly bright and have progressed to the level where they can feed themselves, wipe their own ass, fuck, raise children, make money, spend time on the web, and sail a bit, are unable to not read a post by someone they think is an idiot.

On the whole I agree with you, but when it comes to personal attacks, rather than just idiotic ideas or zero contribution, and driving traffic away from a site, I think there's nothing wrong with exile.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:00 PM

Exactly!

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

Lets got back in time....


As you all know somebody deleted posts as some people do here.

So this post lead to a topic... Grow Up.

LINK TO POST!

I KILLED CA :lol:


You haven't killed anything, you mental infant. You don't contribute, but that's about the extent of your damage. You consume precious air, water and food, and produce nothing but waste product. You're exactly the 2nd person on my ignore list, which indicates what an unproductive vacuum you've become.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:07 PM


Lets got back in time....


As you all know somebody deleted posts as some people do here.

So this post lead to a topic... Grow Up.

LINK TO POST!

I KILLED CA :lol:


You haven't killed anything, you mental infant. You don't contribute, but that's about the extent of your damage. You consume precious air, water and food, and produce nothing but waste product. You're exactly the 2nd person on my ignore list, which indicates what an unproductive vacuum you've become.


Ajax - words is that The Hole got booted by the Ed, he'll probably come back as some other form of hole, but he so loves the attention and is so arrogant about claiming to have "Killed CA" that it'll be painful for him to have to start all over digging an even bigger hole. I don't think it has dawned on The Hole that being anonymous means that you can be killed instantly and have absolutely no bragging rights. Poor Hole. :) BV

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:10 PM

"news of our death has been exaggerated"

A hole has been kicked into the ash-hole...no loss.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:26 PM

I have been wondering how to cut the oxygen supply to a holes early on, so they go away and be attention whores somewhere else.
Is it possible for the site to flag how many "ignores" a poster has somewhere near the avatar?
That way, if someone already has a bunch of ignores, we can just do the same thing without bothering to read their posts.

Ed, any chance someone could work out a way to do this?

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:53 PM

Ed...and or to prohibit select 'noise' from responding to any threads we might start?

Now that the trash is on the curb, next round of beers on me, boys.

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 10:55 AM

Good Morning, as I'm off to bed I hope Just Bob can log in, in the morning. If ya get what I mean. :)

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:21 PM

Wow, so many threads decrying the infiltration and proliferation of time-sucking trolls! Rules? Dislike buttons? Please. This is Cruising Anarchy, but some of us seem to be in dire need of a BigGulp container filled with HTFU!

Now I'm headed for the boat so I can I eradicate a TRUE pest from some lockers, MILDEW, and calibrate my new wind instrument before sailing away for the weekend. When I return, I hope there are fewer than ten new threads whining about the irrelevant assholes.

HTFU!

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 06:46 PM

huh, must've missed a brouhaha.

Would someone please add a couple more pics to the Ugly Boat thread? Seems to make my day complete (I actually like most of them)

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:24 PM

and to all a good night :P

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 11:45 PM

I want to wish everyone a really bodacious 2013.

we are selling our little Catalina 27 and looking for a larger boat.

I'll be in Paris these next few months and then Debbie and I are headed off to Athens, Greece in June for our Summer vacation in Europe, then

back through Italy before returning to our apartment in Paris through August.

we managed to do some brief sailing in Marseille, France this last Summer so we've gotten the bug to do some more sailing in the Greek Isles.

as always, this place is great entertainment and I wish everyone all the best and Peace in the new year.

daniel

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:16 PM

Sounds like that 54 is back on!

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Posted 23 December 2012 - 02:22 PM

Sounds like that 54 is back on!


Nah, the 54 has been end of life'd, they now have the 55...




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