18 replies to this topic

[Kenetic]

just a quick one:

Why did nobody pick up soozal such a sweet boat with sucess, Priced high I know but nobody refuses cash!

did irc really hammer powered winches that much.

I did a seach of the first IRC cert v now couldn't see a massive difference.

[Mr Moab]

Look at the race record of the boat. Winning consistently right up to through 2012 BBS. Hard to make a case that IRC hammered the powered winches.

[DRIFTW00D]

[Matt B]

Because it is way overpriced for the current market. Shit... It's way overpriced for any market.

[saltyokie]

I do not think they hit the winches that hard. I put 3 two speed harken racing electric winches on my Catalina 38 (soozal has 6) and So Cal PHRF only hit me 6 seconds for the winches. Scott and Craig Blazer from harken helped with my project which we are very happy with. No one is getting top dollar these days.

[Delta Dog]

Strikes me as not a very interesting boat to sail. Massive rating advantage compared to everything else racing IRC on SF Bay. Well sailed for sure but never looked like much fun.

[mustang__1]

Strikes me as not a very interesting boat to sail. Massive rating advantage compared to everything else racing IRC on SF Bay. Well sailed for sure but never looked like much fun.

having sailed her sister ship it is a fine boat to sail. furthermore, Soozal runs a pole setup with asyms - there is nothing uninteresting or un-fun about that sort of setup!

[garrett818]

The question is who would pay that much money to go that slow. The majority of big boats in california race coastal races where a planing boat is much more exciting for the same amount of money or less.

[Delta Dog]

The question is who would pay that much money to go that slow. The majority of big boats in california race coastal races where a planing boat is much more exciting for the same amount of money or less.

+1

[Crouton]

OK, I'll bite: what are the "planing boats" in that size range, and available for less money?

I've been lucky enough to sail with Mustang on the King 40, and, when dialed, the boat isn't slow. Further, she gives you a real shot under IRC. And she's nice enough inside to make the other half of the family happy.

[dogwatch]

The question is who would pay that much money to go that slow. The majority of big boats in california race coastal races where a planing boat is much more exciting for the same amount of money or less.

What goes on in California isn't all that relevant. A buyer for that kind of boat could be anywhere in the world. You first point is however relevant. Take a look at what nearly-new IRC ships are selling for in, say, IRL, which had a bunch of them when the celtic tiger was roaring, and it's obvious the asking price is mad. Everyone knows that race boats don't actually change hands at the asking price but even so, the asking price is massively wrong.

[garrett818]

OK, I'll bite: what are the "planing boats" in that size range, and available for less money?

I've been lucky enough to sail with Mustang on the King 40, and, when dialed, the boat isn't slow. Further, she gives you a real shot under IRC. And she's nice enough inside to make the other half of the family happy.

farr400
fox44
mc38
gp42
ross40
antrim40

[Presuming Ed]

Ker 44 Ptarmigan is asking only (*) $35,000 more. 3 years younger and 4 feet longer.

http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2011/Ker-44-2541463/United-States
http://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/2008/King-King-Summit-40-2349965/United-States

(* for those who call $35,000 an "only" amount of cash).

[btbotfa]

Ptarmigan already for sale.....i guess some guys like the project more than the end result

['No.6]

Maybe you should bid on both these boats.

[dacapo]

Strikes me as not a very interesting boat to sail. Massive rating advantage compared to everything else racing IRC on SF Bay. Well sailed for sure but never looked like much fun.

having sailed her sister ship it is a fine boat to sail. furthermore, Soozal runs a pole setup with asyms - there is nothing uninteresting or un-fun about that sort of setup!

totally agree....(having sailed same sistership and sailing a boat with pole and assys...)

[dacapo]

Maybe you should bid on both these boats.

Parmigiana wouldn't fit into his slip.....

['No.6]

He can raft up with woger.

[Presuming Ed]

Ptarmigan already for sale.....i guess some guys like the project more than the end result.

All raceboats are always for sale.