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#1 Steam Flyer

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 01:40 PM

in case you missed any of the last 9,724 CL-WTF threads

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http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/boa/3450382954.html

Cool boat
Looks fast
Obviously needs so much work that you'd be better off building from scratch (and the trailer ain't nothing to write home about, either) -BUT- if you know what kind of boat this is, many of us would appreciate hearing

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 02:54 PM

$500? Is that what he's willing to pay to have that thing hauled away?

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:03 PM

Looks like a Santana 25.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:42 PM

Free costs too much.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 03:52 PM

A 'free' boat is, much like a 'free' wife, an oxymoron....

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:01 PM

I see a date with a sawsall in it's future... It's dead.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:32 PM

nope, not a Santana 525. Fixed keel.Posted Image

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:50 PM

He's dead, Jim.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 04:55 PM

Venture 21?

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:02 PM

Santana 23 daggerboard

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:06 PM

Santana 23 daggerboard

Did I say 25? I meant 23. There used to be one around here.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:24 PM

in a little bit someone will be along to say how they like the lines and how it could be gotten back sailing for only a few hundred $

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:27 PM

I was thinking Merit 22.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:44 PM

Hey its the holidays

Surely someone near Atlanta know someone who's wife could be convinced to buy this as a present?
obviously it would have to be someone you didn't like that much......

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 05:51 PM

Anyone who gives this guy $500 is a fool. Just because it was abandoned, doesn't mean he has the right to sell it. Can you say "theft by conversion?".

And yes, this thing is probably less than fives mile from where I sit. And no, I won't go check it out. It's been popping up on our local CL for some time now and getting the interest it deserves, apparently.

Looking up the bow numbers in the GA boat registration database doesn't help. The boat in the database with those numbers is a 17' Sailfish registered to a guy down on the coast.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:02 PM

Would make a great float for a parade...to the dump

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

Well I may just have to go and look at it after all. It's only a mile out of my way to the Fedex office... Crap. Only looking out of morbid curiosity, though.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:20 PM

Come to think about it, with 65,000 dead boats from the east coast storm, maybe someone finds a damaged hull and buys it from the insurance company and transfers everything off the bad hull onto this good hull. I'd give odds at 1 in 5,000.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 06:58 PM

Total crack pipe. Big holes in deck where stantions used to be. Here's the HIN if it helps: XYW21152M87A. Hasn't been registered since 87, trailer since 88.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:15 PM

Lead ballasted? Sawzall it and sell the lead for scrap. "theft by conversion"? it's craigslist and a cash deal nobody would give a fuck

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:25 PM

It's an Irwin Free Spirit 21, also called the Mini-Ton. Supposed to have 750 lbs of ballast. Anyone know what kind of ballast it is and where it's located? What's scrap lead going for these days?

Edited to add: The ballast is glassed into the bilge...

You can buy one that's actually usable for $2,000 (or less depending on your negotiation skills).

http://sailingtexas....irwin21101.html

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:46 PM

It's an Irwin Free Spirit 21, also called the Mini-Ton. Supposed to have 750 lbs of ballast. Anyone know what kind of ballast it is and where it's located? What's scrap lead going for these days?

Edited to add: The ballast is glassed into the bilge...

You can buy one that's actually usable for $2,000 (or less depending on your negotiation skills).

http://sailingtexas....irwin21101.html

Somebody call Snaggy, its like his Zephyr!!!

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:50 PM

What's scrap lead going for these days?


Figure $.50-.60/lb. Not sure the condition of the pulpit, winches or other bits but you might be able to resell them. Disposal costs for the chopped up hull would govern profitability.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 07:56 PM

Come to think about it, with 65,000 dead boats from the east coast storm, maybe someone finds a damaged hull and buys it from the insurance company and transfers everything off the bad hull onto this good hull. I'd give odds at 1 in 5,000.


I just went and looked at this boat. It's not a good hull. Hull-deck joint is a mess. Deck is scary.

What's scrap lead going for these days?


Figure $.50-.60/lb. Not sure the condition of the pulpit, winches or other bits but you might be able to resell them. Disposal costs for the chopped up hull would govern profitability.


It's got two Lewmar 2-speed winches on the coachroof that aren't seized. The pulpit looks good. A lot of the deck hardware is gone. The stanchions have either been removed or ripped off, leaving big holes in the deck. The chainplates are gone. The trailer is pretty rusty. Seems like a low potential for profit compared to the work involved, even it one could get it for free.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:10 PM


Santana 23 daggerboard

Did I say 25? I meant 23. There used to be one around here.


Shucks there's one sitting in my driveway.
Don't think that's it, although now that you mention it the bow & cabin look like it. The inside moldings and the transom are all wrong though.

I think it's the Irwin but dunno, it's been a real long time since I've seen one of these. And it's kind of a surprise if an Irwin has lasted this long


Hey its the holidays

Surely someone near Atlanta know someone who's wife could be convinced to buy this as a present?
obviously it would have to be someone you didn't like that much......


Ouch. That would be truly cruel!
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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:44 PM

Santana 23 daggerboard


Nope, owned one for 14 yrs.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:47 PM

Check the HIN in my post above. Definitely an Irwin. There are also panted over "Free Spirit 21" decals on the stern quarter.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 08:56 PM

Doug, you are bad company, now you got me looking....

what's this?

http://raleigh.craig...3456644535.html

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:02 PM

Windmill? Nice if not rotten. This may be the same boat that was offered to me a few years ago.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:16 PM

Check the HIN in my post above. Definitely an Irwin. There are also panted over "Free Spirit 21" decals on the stern quarter.

The panties might have an interesting provenance !!

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:18 PM

That Windmill might be worth taking a look at for someone close.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:19 PM

Doug, you are bad company, now you got me looking....

what's this?

http://raleigh.craig...3456644535.html


"A great little boat to take out on the water" as opposed to what other medium? LOL

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 09:28 PM

Would make a great float for a parade...to the dump


Or a planter for the front yard...

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 10:31 PM

Doug, you are bad company, now you got me looking....

what's this?

http://raleigh.craig...3456644535.html


... being used to hang laundry (expert salesmanship there, yessirree)

I think that's a Rhodes Bantam, not a Windmill. It's sort of a sloop-rigged big sister of the Penguin.

Hull looks in nice shape but but the fittings and the trailer are ???

Potential to be a nice boat but potential is expensive. It's fun to hunt on Craigslist but real deals are actually pretty rare.

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:08 PM



what's this?

http://raleigh.craig...3456644535.html


I think that's a Rhodes Bantam, not a Windmill. It's sort of a sloop-rigged big sister of the Penguin.

dinge dinge dinge!!! We halve a winnere! :)

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:12 PM

Doug, you are bad company, now you got me looking....

what's this?

http://raleigh.craig...3456644535.html


Better deal closer to home, less than half the price... some people strongly dislike JY-15s but I have sailed them (a lot actually) and I liked 'em fine.
http://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/3455475351.html

Another better deal closer to home, kind of a potty boat but again with a real trailer and hey it even comes with a dink motor!
http://eastnc.craigslist.org/boa/3434566826.html

I have to keep telling myself not to go get that JY-15. It's too heavy to haul up & down our bulkhead and I can all but Mrs Steam won't like it as much as she did 20+ years ago when we were dating... maybe I should call the guy and ask if he'd like a nice tax deduction...

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:27 PM

...but only 1 flat tire ;-)

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 03:55 PM

Here's some photos I shot yesterday:


https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#ABJtdOXmJRIG0w


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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:30 PM

I think I see a chine on this hull. If so I can;t imagine it being any Rhodes design. Yes, I know the Penguin had chines but not like this.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:39 PM

All of that water inside sure must have kept the hull in good form...

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:59 PM

Linenberg maybe? they had chines.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:33 PM

Linenberg maybe? they had chines.

Don't think so.Chines not hard enough,bow not plumb enough and no open transom.Looks much like a Creekmore 23 to me except once again the bow is not plumb.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:09 PM


Linenberg maybe? they had chines.

Don't think so.Chines not hard enough,bow not plumb enough and no open transom.Looks much like a Creekmore 23 to me except once again the bow is not plumb.


It's an Irwin.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 09:16 PM



Linenberg maybe? they had chines.

Don't think so.Chines not hard enough,bow not plumb enough and no open transom.Looks much like a Creekmore 23 to me except once again the bow is not plumb.


It's an Irwin.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:39 PM

Or for 50% more you can buy this one: http://sacramento.cr...3476235503.html I'm looking for a trailier, but won't even touch this thing. BTW, does anybody know what it is?
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:49 PM

Or for 50% more you can buy this one: http://sacramento.cr...3476235503.html I'm looking for a trailier, but won't even touch this thing. BTW, does anybody know what it is?
Dave


Mustang 22 / Plastrend 22 - same boat different name subtle rig differences I think.

http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=204

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 07:53 PM

Looks like a centerboard Cal 20! (aside from the transom / rudder...and I'm sure a lot more...)

What is the BEST CL find that anyone has found? I remember seeing an E-Scow that was converted to a bar for sale once, that was pretty cool.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:00 PM

Looks like a centerboard Cal 20! (aside from the transom / rudder...and I'm sure a lot more...)

What is the BEST CL find that anyone has found? I remember seeing an E-Scow that was converted to a bar for sale once, that was pretty cool.

That might still be for sale, I saw it a couple of months ago in it's current iteration as a backyard bar.

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:04 PM

Or for 50% more you can buy this one: http://sacramento.cr...3476235503.html I'm looking for a trailier, but won't even touch this thing. BTW, does anybody know what it is?
Dave

Hard to say for sure, but my guess is Mustang 22/Plas Trend 22.
http://sailboatdata....p?class_id=204
If the trailer is salvageable, it might not be so bad a deal. (as long you don't have to spend much to disposed of the boat.)

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Posted 17 December 2012 - 08:15 PM

What is the BEST CL find that anyone has found? I remember seeing an E-Scow that was converted to a bar for sale once, that was pretty cool.


If Essex is still on SA, I recall they found a Viper on Ebay for a couple of K , plunked in a carbon rig, sailed it (it went fast), sold it in the high teens and used the proceeds to buy a new boat. That was a deal.




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