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#701 axolotl

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 04:29 PM

 

If it's such a  big issue on your boat why not use a spinnaker sock instead? No rule broken, makes the drop easier.

Um, weight aloft, windage when reaching, disturbed airflow at the head of the kite, slower hoists and takedowns, snarls in the mechanism, bulk when stored below .  .  .

 

 

Err, have you ever used a sock?  Not a snuffer, a sock.

 

Zip the kite into the full-length sock, tie the retrieving line onto something on the foredeck, hoist, pull on the sheet, breaking out the kite and popping open the zip from bottom to top, retrieve sock.  Common practice on IOR maxis in the 80s.  No reason it shouldn't work just as well today.

 How does a sock make the drop easier?



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 04:39 PM

 

 

If it's such a  big issue on your boat why not use a spinnaker sock instead? No rule broken, makes the drop easier.

Um, weight aloft, windage when reaching, disturbed airflow at the head of the kite, slower hoists and takedowns, snarls in the mechanism, bulk when stored below .  .  .

 

 

Err, have you ever used a sock?  Not a snuffer, a sock.

 

Zip the kite into the full-length sock, tie the retrieving line onto something on the foredeck, hoist, pull on the sheet, breaking out the kite and popping open the zip from bottom to top, retrieve sock.  Common practice on IOR maxis in the 80s.  No reason it shouldn't work just as well today.

 How does a sock make the drop easier?

 

    Assuming he meant hoist...

 

  If there are any true sailmaker entrepreneurs out their, they would be making up a couple dozen 'sock's, w KWRW '14 logo's and selling them at the tent. 

 

  Sounds like a great fix!  now if i only had a boat big enough to need banded shutes...

 

  now that im thinking about it, you could probably get away with regular ripstop spin material to keep it light, and just use

some spaced velcro tabs to keep it closed till the sheet on...



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 04:49 PM

 How does a sock make the drop easier?

 

The exact same way that rubber bands / yarn make the drop easier.

 

Stick to the topic.



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Posted 02 January 2014 - 01:59 AM

So if a RO excludes the rule and race is in a port/inshore/IMO special zone etc, will he be charged with conspiracy to...??



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 06:17 PM

just saw this come across my desk

 

http://www.na.norths...px?news_id=4961

 

North Sails, the industry leader in innovation, has created a sustainable alternative to elastic bands or wool ties used to pack downwind sails. North’s Blue Book service procedure has added STOP TABS™ sewn on top of existing luff tape, eliminating the need for packing materials that inevitably litter the water. North’s convenient fix allow sails to maintain their performance while complying with ISAFs environmentally friendly Rule 55.

“ISAF has made a bold yet proper move by protecting the environment through the introduction of Rule 55. North is taking the initiative to provide sailors a better option with our new STOP TABS,” said North Sails president Ken Read. “As sailors, it’s our responsibility to consider the environmental impact our sport has on the ocean. An easy, multi-use fix is now ready for use.”

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North's STOP TABS are shown in action above.

North’s STOP TABS will be used to strap medium to large downwind sails for hoisting, providing green-minded and rule compliant sailors a light and reusable option for ultra-fast downwind sets. STOP TABS can be supplied on new downwind sails or retrofitted to existing downwind sails, stitched onto the luff tape in even increments down the luff and up from the tack of the sail. The tabs use a quick-release process, allowing the sail to expand easily as it is sheeted in and fills with wind.

"Our sail care facility in Milford, CT has been practicing this installation for select clients. We are excited to now extend the option to sailors worldwide, " said North Sails sail care manager Pete Colby. "We've documented a separate installation process for a range of luff lengths, so all sailors can use STOP TABS regardless of what type of racing or cruising they enjoy. North’s Blue Book sail care procedures have also been developed for work on non-North sails, allowing North lofts to retrofit all sails with STOP TABS."

All North Sails service locations follow North's Blue Book procedures, ensuring consistent workmanship worldwide. North Sails has shipped sail making supplies to Key West, FL to provide overnight sail care for teams participating in Key West Race Week. The new STOP TABS will be available at North’s Key West regatta service site, in addition to all North Sails lofts worldwide by the end of January 2014.

 

 



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 07:21 PM

Good move.  But of course no one at North reads SA. ;)



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 08:57 PM

I guess no one at SA gets North News either.

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 10:48 PM

just saw this come across my desk
 
http://www.na.norths...px?news_id=4961
 

North Sails, the industry leader in innovation, has created a sustainable alternative to elastic bands or wool ties used to pack downwind sails. North’s Blue Book service procedure has added STOP TABS™ sewn on top of existing luff tape, eliminating the need for packing materials that inevitably litter the water. North’s convenient fix allow sails to maintain their performance while complying with ISAFs environmentally friendly Rule 55.“ISAF has made a bold yet proper move by protecting the environment through the introduction of Rule 55. North is taking the initiative to provide sailors a better option with our new STOP TABS,” said North Sails president Ken Read. “As sailors, it’s our responsibility to consider the environmental impact our sport has on the ocean. An easy, multi-use fix is now ready for use.”H1SYV4o.gifNorth's STOP TABS are shown in action above.North’s STOP TABS will be used to strap medium to large downwind sails for hoisting, providing green-minded and rule compliant sailors a light and reusable option for ultra-fast downwind sets. STOP TABS can be supplied on new downwind sails or retrofitted to existing downwind sails, stitched onto the luff tape in even increments down the luff and up from the tack of the sail. The tabs use a quick-release process, allowing the sail to expand easily as it is sheeted in and fills with wind."Our sail care facility in Milford, CT has been practicing this installation for select clients. We are excited to now extend the option to sailors worldwide, " said North Sails sail care manager Pete Colby. "We've documented a separate installation process for a range of luff lengths, so all sailors can use STOP TABS regardless of what type of racing or cruising they enjoy. North’s Blue Book sail care procedures have also been developed for work on non-North sails, allowing North lofts to retrofit all sails with STOP TABS."All North Sails service locations follow North's Blue Book procedures, ensuring consistent workmanship worldwide. North Sails has shipped sail making supplies to Key West, FL to provide overnight sail care for teams participating in Key West Race Week. The new STOP TABS will be available at North’s Key West regatta service site, in addition to all North Sails lofts worldwide by the end of January 2014.

 
 

A. Buy a fucking ad and
B. judging by the photos this great innovation should have a ready market amongst those sailors that need to band kites in 5 knots of breeze and
C. Buy a fucking ad.

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 11:11 PM

just saw this come across my desk
 
http://www.na.norths...px?news_id=4961
 

North Sails, the industry leader in innovation, has created a sustainable alternative to elastic bands or wool ties used to pack downwind sails. North’s Blue Book service procedure has added STOP TABS™ sewn on top of existing luff tape, eliminating the need for packing materials that inevitably litter the water. North’s convenient fix allow sails to maintain their performance while complying with ISAFs environmentally friendly Rule 55.“ISAF has made a bold yet proper move by protecting the environment through the introduction of Rule 55. North is taking the initiative to provide sailors a better option with our new STOP TABS,” said North Sails president Ken Read. “As sailors, it’s our responsibility to consider the environmental impact our sport has on the ocean. An easy, multi-use fix is now ready for use.”H1SYV4o.gifNorth's STOP TABS are shown in action above.North’s STOP TABS will be used to strap medium to large downwind sails for hoisting, providing green-minded and rule compliant sailors a light and reusable option for ultra-fast downwind sets. STOP TABS can be supplied on new downwind sails or retrofitted to existing downwind sails, stitched onto the luff tape in even increments down the luff and up from the tack of the sail. The tabs use a quick-release process, allowing the sail to expand easily as it is sheeted in and fills with wind."Our sail care facility in Milford, CT has been practicing this installation for select clients. We are excited to now extend the option to sailors worldwide, " said North Sails sail care manager Pete Colby. "We've documented a separate installation process for a range of luff lengths, so all sailors can use STOP TABS regardless of what type of racing or cruising they enjoy. North’s Blue Book sail care procedures have also been developed for work on non-North sails, allowing North lofts to retrofit all sails with STOP TABS."All North Sails service locations follow North's Blue Book procedures, ensuring consistent workmanship worldwide. North Sails has shipped sail making supplies to Key West, FL to provide overnight sail care for teams participating in Key West Race Week. The new STOP TABS will be available at North’s Key West regatta service site, in addition to all North Sails lofts worldwide by the end of January 2014.

 
 

A. Buy a fucking ad and
B. judging by the photos this great innovation should have a ready market amongst those sailors that need to band kites in 5 knots of breeze and
C. Buy a fucking ad.

tell it to North Sails

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 11:47 PM

I guess no one at SA gets North News either.

Never have, and never will.  They are not fans, apparently.



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Posted 21 January 2014 - 07:07 PM

ISAF has issued an update to Q&A N 003 (Another question about trash. )

 

 

"N.B. Q&A N003 has been revised a second time. This has been done to provide clearer wording, and wording that better reflects the limitations on the racing rules of sailing's jurisdiction when events are permitting actions through the notice of race or the sailing instructions. It was also necessary to draw race officials’ attention to the possibility of existing national or local laws and regulations clearly prohibiting these actions. Events run under the racing rules of sailing cannot ignore or contravene such prohibitions.

 

ISAF's primary concern, as stated in the introduction of the Rule book and in its Basic Principles, is for the environment. Throwing trash, although minimal, into the water is the opposite of complying with that principle.  Q&A N003 provides a technical answer under the rules to the question presented, however ISAF encourages looking for other solutions or using different systems or devices, some already available in the industry, that do not promote any adverse impact in the environment."

 

http://www.sailing.o...014-[16193].pdf



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Posted 28 January 2014 - 08:37 PM

At KWRW I didn't see anyone using rubber bands or yarn. Two of the mini-maxi's had the north system and one was free flying. Most of the 52's were hoisting without stops in up to 22kts TWS. I saw a few problems with bringing the chutes down, but none going up. Seems like a lot of noise about nothing.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 01:05 AM

How do you get the bands back on before you drop it?

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 01:50 AM

Same way porcupines mate!

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 01:55 AM

Upside down, or is it inside out?



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 04:09 PM

Carefully of Course!



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 04:18 PM

A. Buy a fucking ad and
B. judging by the photos this great innovation should have a ready market amongst those sailors that need to band kites in 5 knots of breeze and
C. Buy a fucking ad.

generally you dont test something new in extreme weather... 



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 06:57 PM

A. Buy a fucking ad and
B. judging by the photos this great innovation should have a ready market amongst those sailors that need to band kites in 5 knots of breeze and
C. Buy a fucking ad.

generally you dont test something new in extreme weather... 

A. This is a press release not a 'test'
B. I would have thought that testing a system designed for strong winds should be carried out in strong winds. If you were releasing a new range of rain proof clothing would your press release include a vid of a guy wearing on a perfectly fine day?
C. Buy a fucking ad.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:30 PM

Oh please, enough with the "buy an ad" bullshit. This isn't Ken Read popping up to tell everyone about the latest revolution Big Blue wants to charge you for, it's someone posting about a development that's germane to the discussion.

 

And while I'm sorry North once stole your girlfriend and called your mom fat, just why in hell do you care whether someone is buying an ad?



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:24 PM

Oh please, enough with the "buy an ad" bullshit. This isn't Ken Read popping up to tell everyone about the latest revolution Big Blue wants to charge you for, it's someone posting about a development that's germane to the discussion.
 
And while I'm sorry North once stole your girlfriend and called your mom fat, just why in hell do you care whether someone is buying an ad?


And you should go buy a life size penis.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 10:09 PM

Please gentleman, have some manners.

 

Aren't we talking about farking small bits of Velcro?



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Posted 30 January 2014 - 01:16 AM

A Time-Lapse Map of Every atomic Bomb Release: 

 

The shit we buy, part one and two:

 

Importance of water:

 

I'm sorry, I really don't think a tiny bit of yarn is going to make a difference.



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Posted 30 January 2014 - 03:54 AM

I'm sorry, I really don't think a tiny bit of yarn is going to make a difference.

 

Its a choice, make a small difference, and hope everyone else does the same or just say Fuck it.. we're all screwed so why give a shit,

 

Who cares how small a difference it makes it, represents a choice to make some difference.



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Posted 30 January 2014 - 04:34 AM

I am about to take Norths on with a product of my own.
With my new product, the kite is banded in the traditional way by using strips of this natural, biodegradable materiel.
It occurs in nature at about the perfect radius, approximately the circumference of a large spinnaker, making it both cheap and easy to harvest. You just run them through the bandsaw and scoop the middle bit out. And as they are tapered at both ends, they are available in a variety of sizes. It is then treated into a materiel that is similar to leather. It's natural grey colour blends in with most spinnakers and as I stated before is 100 % biodegradable. It's natural stretch is perfect for not breaking out early.

Yes folks, 'Dolphin Bands TM' will be available soon.

Stop press! Working with our Japanese partners we will soon be offering much larger sizes of ' Dolphin (wink) Bands TM'

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Posted 30 January 2014 - 05:39 AM

^

 

Talk to Colin and you could probably expand the range to 'Shark Bands'.



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 12:26 AM

There were several boats in the top division using wool/bands at the Geelong's "Festival of Sails".  Primarily Matt Allen's Ichi Ban and the winners Black Betty.  It was noted by other competitors but nobody protested... there was even a Jury boat on the water.

 

Shame that boat's not following the rules seem to be free to do so.



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:05 AM

There were several boats in the top division using wool/bands at the Geelong's "Festival of Sails".  Primarily Matt Allen's Ichi Ban and the winners Black Betty.  It was noted by other competitors but nobody protested... there was even a Jury boat on the water.

 

Shame that boat's not following the rules seem to be free to do so.

 

In that case RC should lodge protest. 



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 05:40 AM

There were several boats in the top division using wool/bands at the Geelong's "Festival of Sails".  Primarily Matt Allen's Ichi Ban and the winners Black Betty.  It was noted by other competitors but nobody protested... there was even a Jury boat on the water.

 

Shame that boat's not following the rules seem to be free to do so.

 

In that case RC should lodge protest. 

Except the RC isn't dumb enough to protest someone for breaking a rule that the NOR has amended to allow said offence

Shame that some people here aren't as smart as the RC and make accusations before checking facts



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 05:55 PM

 


 


There were several boats in the top division using wool/bands at the Geelong's "Festival of Sails".  Primarily Matt Allen's Ichi Ban and the winners Black Betty.  It was noted by other competitors but nobody protested... there was even a Jury boat on the water.

 

Shame that boat's not following the rules seem to be free to do so.

 

In that case RC should lodge protest. 

Except the RC isn't dumb enough to protest someone for breaking a rule that the NOR has amended to allow said offence

Shame that some people here aren't as smart as the RC and make accusations before checking facts

 

Interesting, the festivalofsails NOR allows competitors to discard certain types of rubbish whenever they are setting a sail.

NOR 2.6 - RRS 55 is changed by adding the following sentence to the rule: 'However, discarding elastic, cotton, wool or any other biodegradable material when setting a sail is permitted.' 

 

In addition, an owner or charterer of the boat and all crew members must be careful not to comment about this in a negative way.

NOR 8 - ...  the owner or charterer of the boat and all crew members ... [are] ... prior to, during and after the regatta, ... subject to any  comments and material not undermining or interfering with, or having a detrimental impact on, the Organizing Authority and its officers and employees, the Race Committee, the National Jury, measurers or current or former sponsors of the Organizing Authority. 



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:31 PM

 

There were several boats in the top division using wool/bands at the Geelong's "Festival of Sails".  Primarily Matt Allen's Ichi Ban and the winners Black Betty.  It was noted by other competitors but nobody protested... there was even a Jury boat on the water.

 

Shame that boat's not following the rules seem to be free to do so.

 

In that case RC should lodge protest. 

Except the RC isn't dumb enough to protest someone for breaking a rule that the NOR has amended to allow said offence

Shame that some people here aren't as smart as the RC and make accusations before checking facts

 

Ok clam down chump, you off your meds or something? In that case what the fuck is CabSav on about if it's permitted by 2.6?

 

I wonder what YAs approach will be on this given that we're now required to have uncoated SS lifelines and dyneema / dynex are illegal.



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Posted 10 February 2014 - 03:05 PM

just get the water police to nail them for dropping rubbish in the water, surely?



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 08:45 PM

UK is now selling velcro and elastic straps that are sewn on to the sail. The announcement make no mention of pricing.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 09:11 PM

In recent sailing instructions,

 

1.2 RRS 55 is changed by adding the following sentence
to the rule: ‘However, discarding elastic or
wool bands when setting a sail will not be considered
a breach of rule 55.’



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 11:28 PM

But only if discarded by Norwegian lesbians....

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 02:57 AM

Illegal yarn in the water - and you clowns post 20K comments about it.  No wonder this sport is shrinking



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 03:11 AM

Illegal yarn in the water - and you clowns post 20K comments about it.  No wonder this sport is shrinking


20001 comments now you have joined as our latest clown.So Crusty what do you band your kites with?

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 09:51 AM


 

Interesting, the festivalofsails NOR allows competitors to discard certain types of rubbish whenever they are setting a sail.

NOR 2.6 - RRS 55 is changed by adding the following sentence to the rule: 'However, discarding elastic, cotton, wool or any other biodegradable material when setting a sail is permitted.' 

 

4 different yachts, all reading the NOR and SI's on the dock in Geelong, all discussing the confusion and not one of those 4 yachts found NOR 2.6.

 

All 4 had the same discussion every day and still didn't wool kites.

 

Amended "Final" copy now on the interwebs? Conspiracy :P probably not. But still very interesting.

 

The other interesting part is no one blew up a kite from not wooling/banding a sail.. Which asks the question, Why change Rule 55? Trash is trash. And it certainly is a breach of Australian Littering laws. If I stand in front of a Police officer, throw a pile of "Biodegradable" paper on the ground, Ill be getting a $400 on the spot fine, no questions asked.



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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:59 AM

Greenpeace will be turning up to regattas shortly once they have read this thread and find out how bad yachts are to the environment....lol



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Posted 18 March 2014 - 12:22 PM

Greenpeace will be turning up to regattas shortly once they have read this thread and find out how bad yachts are to the environment....lol

Greenpeas will we turning up to regattas once they read this thread:  The BUTT-UGLIEST-FUCKING-SAILBOAT on EARTH !!!!!&#



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Posted 18 March 2014 - 09:27 PM

Sea shitheads as well. At least all the poor Japanese Whalers they keep trying to kill are Bio-degradable.




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