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#201 Frank

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 11:28 PM

So most of this thread, also the HK to Vietnam thread, then obviously the Speedboat and Ragamuffin threads have been about the big boats. Seems that is what everyone is interested in. Some come boxing day and 7 just cover the big boats everyone not sailing comes back here and complains there is too much big boat coverage

For me the biggest change looks to be a lot of high quality competition in the 40ft range and not so much in the 50ft range this year. Other than Wedgetail and a couple of cooksons maybe the Welbourne 50. There was 5 * 50's in the top 10 on IRc last year, not going to happen this year



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 04:13 AM

Don't underestimate the 70's if we have a long period of hard reaching or running. They are still putting up sail when the supermaxi's are backing off. Last year's course would suit the new black jack pretty well i reckon.

 

In anything aft of 90 degrees, and below 40 knots, the TP52's will surely beat the Clipperslugs

 

The only point of sail where they would stand a chance is heavy weather on the nose.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 04:16 AM

So most of this thread, also the HK to Vietnam thread, then obviously the Speedboat and Ragamuffin threads have been about the big boats. Seems that is what everyone is interested in. Some come boxing day and 7 just cover the big boats everyone not sailing comes back here and complains there is too much big boat coverage

For me the biggest change looks to be a lot of high quality competition in the 40ft range and not so much in the 50ft range this year. Other than Wedgetail and a couple of cooksons maybe the Welbourne 50. There was 5 * 50's in the top 10 on IRc last year, not going to happen this year

 

You write it and people will read it.



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 05:05 AM

Don't underestimate the 70's if we have a long period of hard reaching or running. They are still putting up sail when the supermaxi's are backing off. Last year's course would suit the new black jack pretty well i reckon.

 

In anything aft of 90 degrees, and below 40 knots, the TP52's will surely beat the Clipperslugs

 

The only point of sail where they would stand a chance is heavy weather on the nose.

Sorry, i meant volvo 70's  ( and specifically a modified one). Don't rate the clipper boats for much in terms of line honours placing and think that a cookson 50 will

smash them.



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 12:07 AM

 

Don't underestimate the 70's if we have a long period of hard reaching or running. They are still putting up sail when the supermaxi's are backing off. Last year's course would suit the new black jack pretty well i reckon.

 

In anything aft of 90 degrees, and below 40 knots, the TP52's will surely beat the Clipperslugs

 

The only point of sail where they would stand a chance is heavy weather on the nose.

Sorry, i meant volvo 70's  ( and specifically a modified one). Don't rate the clipper boats for much in terms of line honours placing and think that a HPR 40 Footer will

smash them. Fixed



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 12:42 AM

Don't underestimate the 70's if we have a long period of hard reaching or running. They are still putting up sail when the supermaxi's are backing off. Last year's course would suit the new black jack pretty well i reckon.

 

In anything aft of 90 degrees, and below 40 knots, the TP52's will surely beat the Clipperslugs

 

The only point of sail where they would stand a chance is heavy weather on the nose.

 

Only one TP52 entered (and it's not one of the quickest around).

 

Clippers are a good boost for entries and a very different design approach to the out and out race boats so not expected to be up the front.



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 01:06 AM

Is that Frantic smc?  None of the Calm incarnations or have they been 'restricted' now?



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 02:54 AM

Don't forget the new Beau Geste, a completely purpose built Botin 80 ocean racer campaigned by Karl Kwok and skippered by Gavinn Brady. Actually think they will beat Wild Thing and Lahana. The new Ichi Bahn Carkeek 60 worth watching as well.



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 03:05 AM

The only TP52 on the list is Frantic. It's a shame SWD can't seem to keep their TP52 on the water....

 

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 03:09 AM

Don't forget the new Beau Geste, a completely purpose built Botin 80 ocean racer campaigned by Karl Kwok and skippered by Gavinn Brady. Actually think they will beat Wild Thing and Lahana. The new Ichi Bahn Carkeek 60 worth watching as well.

Interested to see how Varuna and Kerumba perform also.

 

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 03:16 AM

Kerumba is lucky to beat to  Farr 40 od around the track most days

It is a cruising boat.



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 03:56 AM

Yep Frantic the only TP52 on the list, fairly early generation boat, would still be a fun ride but not up to the speed of Calm. Calm tied up with financial issues at the moment. Calm 2 not an ocean racer. Calm 3 (VO70) never happened. SWD TP for sale, http://www.yoti.com.au/tp-52-wot-eva/ Shogun I think was sold to a NZ buyer. Scarlet runner doing Cape Town to Rio race. Cougar not making the trip this year?



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 05:22 AM

Yep Frantic the only TP52 on the list, fairly early generation boat, would still be a fun ride but not up to the speed of Calm. Calm tied up with financial issues at the moment. Calm 2 not an ocean racer. Calm 3 (VO70) never happened. SWD TP for sale, http://www.yoti.com.au/tp-52-wot-eva/ Shogun I think was sold to a NZ buyer. Scarlet runner doing Cape Town to Rio race. Cougar not making the trip this year?

 

Quest?



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Posted 23 October 2013 - 05:39 AM

Not doing much ocean racing these days I think

#215 Donjoman

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Posted 23 October 2013 - 11:47 PM

I thought lucky was heading down

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Posted 24 October 2013 - 12:32 AM

Looks like 4 x Benne 45's and 4 x Benne 40's or so. Nice in an  uphill race.



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 03:30 AM

Quest going to Coffs?



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 05:13 AM

Quest not going to Hobart, Bob is going to Antarctica! Coffs a possibility I guess....



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 07:50 AM

Cougar not making the trip this year?

no:

http://ryct.org.au/i...x-sydney-hobart



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 01:31 PM

Ichi Ban is Carkeek 60, not 40. Right?



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:27 PM

Yes Ichi Ban is Carkeek 60, can't beleive everything you read even on SA



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Posted 24 October 2013 - 02:31 PM

my bad.  fixed..



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 04:28 AM

Ichi Ban is Carkeek 60, not 40. Right?

 

With powered winches so expect flaming......



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 04:29 AM

Ichi Ban is Carkeek 60, not 40. Right?

 

With powered winches so expect flaming......



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 02:00 PM

I like powered winches.  What trimmer doesn't?

 

But it's a bit rich to claim some bullshit about the 'heritage' of the race if you suspend the RRS regarding diesel engines powering sailing systems.  Not much heritage in powered sailing.



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 02:40 PM

I'm sorry Gybeset; I haven't kept up with my gibberish lessons.  Do you have a translator?



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 03:04 PM

I'm sorry Gybeset; I haven't kept up with my gibberish lessons.  Do you have a translator?

Ignoring him is easier. ;)



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Posted 25 October 2013 - 06:14 PM

I don't care who wins, just hoping for a nice ride back from Hobart. Hmmmm!!! Can't wait.

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 01:50 AM

Is the Ker 11.3 toe truck still mixing it up (down) there with ye?

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 04:39 AM

I don't care who wins, just hoping for a nice ride back from Hobart. Hmmmm!!! Can't wait.

You're probably not going through Dunalley.. but if you do, make sure you drop some coin in the fisho (if its still standing) and the pub there.

They need it after last year.

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 04:43 AM

I'm sorry Gybeset; I haven't kept up with my gibberish lessons.  Do you have a translator?

Ignoring him is easier. ;)

7 should get him onboard to translate the rugby commentator`s views into Brownie mumble speak & visa versa.



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Posted 26 October 2013 - 08:32 AM

 through Dunalley.. but if you do, make sure you drop some coin in the fisho (if its still standing) and the pub there.


They need it after last year.

fish market is still there, and more importantly so is the pub!



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Posted 26 October 2013 - 09:33 AM


 through Dunalley.. but if you do, make sure you drop some coin in the fisho (if its still standing) and the pub there.

They need it after last year.

fish market is still there, and more importantly so is the pub!


that's excellent to hear -- how's the rest of rebuilding going on?

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 08:31 PM




 through Dunalley.. but if you do, make sure you drop some coin in the fisho (if its still standing) and the pub there.

They need it after last year.

fish market is still there, and more importantly so is the pub!

that's excellent to hear -- how's the rest of rebuilding going on?

Is that from the fires?

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 01:04 AM

It sure is

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 02:58 AM

Yup..

google satellite has a shot after the fires:

https://maps.google....y Tasmania&z=16

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 09:59 AM

Don't forget the new Beau Geste, a completely purpose built Botin 80 ocean racer campaigned by Karl Kwok and skippered by Gavinn Brady. Actually think they will beat Wild Thing and Lahana. The new Ichi Bahn Carkeek 60 worth watching as well.


Lahana still not entered so will be Beau Geste v Wild thing and zefiro.

Be interesting to see Giacomo v Ichi Ban and Beau Geste v Giacomo if it blows

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 01:14 AM

I haven't seen the foils on Ichi Bahn so I assume she is a fixed keel single rudder? If that were the case she would need lighter conditions to upset Giacomo I would have thought. The Volvo 70's are extremely suited to the Hobart especially if it blows with plenty of reaching and running. Beau Geste not sure on her full spec yet other than twin rudders.?

Don't forget the new Beau Geste, a completely purpose built Botin 80 ocean racer campaigned by Karl Kwok and skippered by Gavinn Brady. Actually think they will beat Wild Thing and Lahana. The new Ichi Bahn Carkeek 60 worth watching as well.


Lahana still not entered so will be Beau Geste v Wild thing and zefiro.

Be interesting to see Giacomo v Ichi Ban and Beau Geste v Giacomo if it blows


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Posted 29 October 2013 - 01:46 AM

I haven't seen the foils on Ichi Bahn so I assume she is a fixed keel single rudder? If that were the case she would need lighter conditions to upset Giacomo I would have thought. The Volvo 70's are extremely suited to the Hobart especially if it blows with plenty of reaching and running. Beau Geste not sure on her full spec yet other than twin rudders.?

 

Don't forget the new Beau Geste, a completely purpose built Botin 80 ocean racer campaigned by Karl Kwok and skippered by Gavinn Brady. Actually think they will beat Wild Thing and Lahana. The new Ichi Bahn Carkeek 60 worth watching as well.


Lahana still not entered so will be Beau Geste v Wild thing and zefiro.

Be interesting to see Giacomo v Ichi Ban and Beau Geste v Giacomo if it blows

 

 

Yeah I am aware of that, Which is why it will be interesting to see what happens because Matt Allen's previous boat was a ....... DING DING DING  .... V070



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:08 AM

97 boats signed up!

http://www.rolexsydn...-sydney-hobart/



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:46 AM

Hey Ozee, where ya bin ?

#242 Rossy

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 03:42 AM

When did the sale of SMB happen?



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 04:17 AM

When did the sale of SMB happen?

 

A few months back I think, she's coming to Melbs



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 11:46 AM

A quick step away from the larger boats....Enchantress is back for a second try.....11 meters, designed and built by the owner. No power winches or professional crew. Won the Melbourne Hobart 2011 ?.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 10:28 PM

A quick step away from the larger boats....Enchantress is back for a second try.....11 meters, designed and built by the owner. No power winches or professional crew. Won the Melbourne Hobart 2011 ?.

Nice looking little boat, makes me think of an Adams design for some reason



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 02:49 AM

A quick step away from the larger boats....Enchantress is back for a second try.....11 meters, designed and built by the owner. No power winches or professional crew. Won the Melbourne Hobart 2011 ?.

Nice looking little boat, makes me think of an Adams design for some reason

 

Nice to see a boat and crew not part of the big money parade, (there are others)......one to watch and maybe upset some of the bigger names.....but whether they do or don't, it is the competing that matters. 

 



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 04:44 AM

A quick step away from the larger boats....Enchantress is back for a second try.....11 meters, designed and built by the owner. No power winches or professional crew. Won the Melbourne Hobart 2011 ?.


She's for sale ATM to.

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:47 AM

Oooh look, they said it again about coverage of the start:

 

The start of the Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race will be broadcast live on the Seven Network throughout Australia, webcast live to a global audience on Yahoo!7 and the Australia Network throughout the Asia Pacific Region.

http://www.rolexsydn...-sydney-hobart/

 

I wonder if they mean it this time?



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 11:07 AM

Someone told me that the Sydney to Hobart has the best mainstream media coverage of any race in the world... is this true?  :lol:



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:01 PM

Has Ichi Ban hit the water yet? Interesting to see if the 60 is as potent as the 40 under IRC



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 01:41 PM

Abbott head VIP at Loyal official launch.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:39 PM

Some photos of Ichiban finished before shipping here: http://carkeekdesign.../portfolio/c60/



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 07:02 PM

Has Ichi Ban hit the water yet? Interesting to see if the 60 is as potent as the 40 under IRC

 

She's going to be splashed mid-month



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 07:09 PM

Oooh look, they said it again about coverage of the start:

 

The start of the Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race will be broadcast live on the Seven Network throughout Australia, webcast live to a global audience on Yahoo!7 and the Australia Network throughout the Asia Pacific Region.

http://www.rolexsydn...-sydney-hobart/

 

I wonder if they mean it this time?

They've said something about streaming the start for two years now, but all I could ever find was a short raw video and a bunch of repetitive 7 clips, not live.  You too?



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 08:15 PM

They've said something about streaming the start for two years now, but all I could ever find was a short raw video and a bunch of repetitive 7 clips, not live.  You too?


That sounds like the free to air coverage to me.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:04 AM

Has Ichi Ban hit the water yet? Interesting to see if the 60 is as potent as the 40 under IRC

 

She's going to be splashed mid-month

 

She certainly looks the business!  Interesting to see how well she rates



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:14 AM

They've said something about streaming the start for two years now, but all I could ever find was a short raw video and a bunch of repetitive 7 clips, not live.  You too?


That sounds like the free to air coverage to me.

 

The 'free air' coverage that 90% 99% of the time focuses on the 7 on WOs mainsail. 



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 12:27 AM

that's not entirely fair, a lot of the time the camera is out of focus.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 02:43 AM

I'll be out there at the start spectating, will get as much as I can on here for SA. May not be that flash, but probably better than Ch7...



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 04:16 AM

Clean you know I have something planned.  Will fill you in when I can.  It will be a different setup than what we did last year and testing my skills!



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 07:45 AM

There's no doubting Ichi Bahn will be fast. The Carkeek 40 has been smashing everything. This years Hobart shaping up to be a ripper, lets hope the weather co-operates. The 100 footers Oats and Loyal should be a great one, people have been wanting this for a long time. Beau Geste will beat Wild Thing over the line imo and don't be surprised if Wild Thing is as far back as 6th for line honours which is something for a 100 footer, that's how good the fleet is.

 

Anyone want to start the odds for line honours, especially Oats vs Loyal..?



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:07 AM

re: the weather.

We haven't a real shitty one for quite some time...

just sayin'

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:22 AM

Oooh look, they said it again about coverage of the start:

 

The start of the Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race will be broadcast live on the Seven Network throughout Australia, webcast live to a global audience on Yahoo!7 and the Australia Network throughout the Asia Pacific Region.

http://www.rolexsydn...-sydney-hobart/

 

I wonder if they mean it this time?

They've said something about streaming the start for two years now, but all I could ever find was a short raw video and a bunch of repetitive 7 clips, not live.  You too?

I watched live start on yahoo!7 two years ago here in europe.



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 11:10 AM

I agree with Duncan, hasn't been a big blow in ages.... 2004 was the last big one wasn't it?



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 02:07 PM

What do you consider a big blow??
most years someone comments on being due for a blow.. 

surely there is someone around with too much time on their hands that could make

up some weather statistics for the race...



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 07:06 PM

3 days of 30-40.

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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:31 PM

3 days of 30-40.

Yep. 2004 was last prolonged blow and before that 2000 was long way uphill



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 10:49 PM

no thanks. the 2 days of 35ish from the south and crappy  short seas left from a week of northerlies in 2011 was crap enough. I reckon we must be due for 4 days of 20knot ENE



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 11:09 PM

Maybe I'm outa touch, but can we really believe that LOYAL/Speedyboat has reached 49kts?  I suggest not.

 

Here's the claim here:  http://www.perpetual.com.au/LOYAL.aspx



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Posted 07 November 2013 - 11:26 PM

Perhaps it was the speed in which the mast dropped to leeward when the keel went bang?

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 01:41 AM

Maybe I'm outa touch, but can we really believe that LOYAL/Speedyboat has reached 49kts?  I suggest not.

 

Here's the claim here:  http://www.perpetual.com.au/LOYAL.aspx

 

of course we can. Gravity says it'll do that speed if you drop it from about 40m height. Off a cargo lift should do it.

 

 

Never mind that Vestas sailrocket had to develop cavitating foils, or that Hydroptere did a moth impression to reach those speeds.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:10 AM

49 Knots.! I find that hard to believe, I know the Volvo 70's have reached 40 knots, it's perhaps possible but more likely a GPS fluctuation.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:12 AM

49 Knots.! I find that hard to believe, I know the Volvo 70's have reached 40 knots, it's perhaps possible but more likely a GPS fluctuation.

 

Yeah, Ken Read said they had the Volvo at 40+ but that was "falling off a cliff of a wave".



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:23 AM

3 days of 30-40.

abbo wasn't 2004 when you sunk?



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 02:56 AM

Nah that was 2006. 2004 we ran out of string. Broke every halyard except the main and we were only just past Eden. Pushed on for a while bare headed with two tucks and got the next forecast. It was 40+ from due south for 4 days. Went to Eden which was packed! 2005 won div. 2006 sunk while giving Love and War a belting.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 03:06 AM

49 knots. They are pulling themselves. Several of the VO70's have reported touching 40 for a split second of sheer terror then dropping back fast. I don't believe that is within the realms of possibility of any conventional monohull. AC72's needed to take to the air to reach those speeds.

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:45 AM

I was told by crew that Groupama hit 43 and change on a wave, but we were all pretty drunk when that story came around.

 

Rambler 90 has hit a little bit more than that on a delivery.



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 04:57 AM

49 wanks I suspect, but I would still like to see that! but not visually. Spindrift 2's top speed!



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Posted 08 November 2013 - 08:40 AM

So does this mean we can stack sails for the Hobart race? If so I foresee some bulb mods before the race!

http://www.sail-worl...ithdrawn/116477

Edit: should read more thoroughly and drink less beer! No stacking.....

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Posted 08 November 2013 - 08:58 AM

Maybe I'm outa touch, but can we really believe that LOYAL/Speedyboat has reached 49kts?  I suggest not.

 

Here's the claim here:  http://www.perpetual.com.au/LOYAL.aspx

 

which Dickhead wrote that ?



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 12:31 PM

2004 was a good blow nasty going across the straight

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Posted 10 November 2013 - 03:29 AM

What happened to WOXI doing the Cabbage Tree Island race ? Wasn't she supposed to be a starter ?



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 12:44 AM

I suspect (but do not know) that with a new mast and a gusty forecast they might have decided against it.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 01:06 AM

I saw the start on the web 2 years ago as well.  I heard last year it didn't work, but I was not trying to watch.  I expect to be watching this year, so I hope they get it together.  Getting a live broadcast together for a global audience from a helo or few is not a small undertaking, and there are many things that can go wrong, so you kinda need a large team of pros, and a bunch of redundancy in your tech and equipment to pull it off.  I guess you could get a small army of very dedicated volunteers to do U-Stream from their iPhones on their motor boats, but then you have poor quality, and fans and volunteers alike are likely to be disappointed.  Clean puts a lot of effort into covering a regatta in a cost effective way, and ends up with something that is compelling, but probably not appropriate for an event like the S2H.



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 01:15 AM

Oh, and the Loyal web site has an image that implies that the sprit is included in the 100' measurement...

 

perpetual_loyal_infographic.png

 

I assume that is an error?



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 01:18 AM

And is there any good information about Oats' new foil system?



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 01:39 AM

I believe they are very happy with it. Ricko told me last year they had to back off quite a bit in the hard running conditions, they were spearing the A3 into the waves very hard and were worried they were going to blow the sail up or worse still tear the sprit off. The DSS for them is just as much about lifting the bow as it is about increasing righting moment.

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 03:10 AM

I believe they are very happy with it. Ricko told me last year they had to back off quite a bit in the hard running conditions, they were spearing the A3 into the waves very hard and were worried they were going to blow the sail up or worse still tear the sprit off. The DSS for them is just as much about lifting the bow as it is about increasing righting moment.

I note WOXI lost 4 pips in last week's rating change and displacement has dropped around 140kg according to my calcs - new rig that much lighter I guess, but shouldn't reduce the rating.  Something else also tweaked?



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 03:17 AM

You never know with those blokes, they love to keep something up their sleeves. Rig would be heaps lighter but 140 is a shitload.... could be I guess????

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 03:30 AM

You never know with those blokes, they love to keep something up their sleeves. Rig would be heaps lighter but 140 is a shitload.... could be I guess????

Difference in DLR between the last two certs back calculated. 



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:05 AM

Rumors were they were trimming a bit of lead off the bulb since the DSS will add so much righting moment. That might drop her rating a little, but you would think the DSS would kick it up a pile, given IRC's dislike of new things



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 04:48 AM

Rumors were they were trimming a bit of lead off the bulb since the DSS will add so much righting moment. That might drop her rating a little, but you would think the DSS would kick it up a pile, given IRC's dislike of new things

Rated 1.945 in the 2012 Hobart and 1.987 at Hammo this year with the DSS...



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Posted 11 November 2013 - 10:30 PM

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Posted 11 November 2013 - 11:47 PM

Not sure if they could do that as the DSS is only used when going downwind so if they removed lead it would effect their performance upwind. Unless of course they re-assessed the boat and found they could remove lead irrespective. The DSS is useless to them upwind but righting moment is king upwind.

Rumors were they were trimming a bit of lead off the bulb since the DSS will add so much righting moment. That might drop her rating a little, but you would think the DSS would kick it up a pile, given IRC's dislike of new things



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:27 AM

Not sure if they could do that as the DSS is only used when going downwind so if they removed lead it would effect their performance upwind. Unless of course they re-assessed the boat and found they could remove lead irrespective. The DSS is useless to them upwind but righting moment is king upwind.

Rumors were they were trimming a bit of lead off the bulb since the DSS will add so much righting moment. That might drop her rating a little, but you would think the DSS would kick it up a pile, given IRC's dislike of new things

Does WOXI still have the tungsten bulb?  IIRC it did way back when and it was grandfathered in when IRC banned anything heavier than lead in response.  Certainly the bulb looks small when you see it on the hard.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 05:32 AM

 

Not sure if they could do that as the DSS is only used when going downwind so if they removed lead it would effect their performance upwind. Unless of course they re-assessed the boat and found they could remove lead irrespective. The DSS is useless to them upwind but righting moment is king upwind.

Rumors were they were trimming a bit of lead off the bulb since the DSS will add so much righting moment. That might drop her rating a little, but you would think the DSS would kick it up a pile, given IRC's dislike of new things

Does WOXI still have the tungsten bulb?  IIRC it did way back when and it was grandfathered in when IRC banned anything heavier than lead in response.  Certainly the bulb looks small when you see it on the hard.

Is the DSS truly useless upwind? I don't know what sorts of speed Oats would be rumbling along at, but surely it is quick enough to get some significant lift out of the foil. Their use of DSS during hammo might not be the best indicator, since it was the usual light air regatta.

I'm just spouting rumours with nothing to back it up, hoping someone will inject some facts into the speculation



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 05:51 AM

Generally you would expect the DSS to move the CLR to leeward thus inducing a bit of a lee-helm turning moment.  No problem downwind I'd guess, and not necessarily an issue upwind if the boat was designed around that or had the rest of the foils moved to compensate.   Don't know that's happened with WOXI so it might have a negative effect on pointing ability upwind.



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 08:57 AM

Have heard the foil adds next to no righting moment at all, apparently the Oats was fitted with load cells when trailing and saw no real Change in numbers on the rigging . As it's designed to lift the bow reaching you would think the lift would negate any righting moment increase .

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Posted 12 November 2013 - 12:28 PM

I saw the start on the web 2 years ago as well.  I heard last year it didn't work, but I was not trying to watch.  I expect to be watching this year, so I hope they get it together.  Getting a live broadcast together for a global audience from a helo or few is not a small undertaking, and there are many things that can go wrong, so you kinda need a large team of pros, and a bunch of redundancy in your tech and equipment to pull it off.  I guess you could get a small army of very dedicated volunteers to do U-Stream from their iPhones on their motor boats, but then you have poor quality, and fans and volunteers alike are likely to be disappointed.  Clean puts a lot of effort into covering a regatta in a cost effective way, and ends up with something that is compelling, but probably not appropriate for an event like the S2H.

 

then how come these blokes pull it of week in week out 

 

http://18footersTV.com

 

btw feature footage on LOYAL/sb in the vid from the 10th November, around the 2 min mark



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Posted 12 November 2013 - 01:40 PM


Not sure if they could do that as the DSS is only used when going downwind so if they removed lead it would effect their performance upwind. Unless of course they re-assessed the boat and found they could remove lead irrespective. The DSS is useless to them upwind but righting moment is king upwind.


Rumors were they were trimming a bit of lead off the bulb since the DSS will add so much righting moment. That might drop her rating a little, but you would think the DSS would kick it up a pile, given IRC's dislike of new things

Does WOXI still have the tungsten bulb?  IIRC it did way back when and it was grandfathered in when IRC banned anything heavier than lead in response.  Certainly the bulb looks small when you see it on the hard.

Alfa Romeo had the tungsten bulb, not Wild Oats.




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