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#3101 edouard

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:46 AM

Nice try edouard. Not at all. They want to enjoy the boat. What is the name of your 100' super maxi again?

 

I don't have any and I confess I am jealous to the point of becoming sleepless. That's why I make silly jokes on the internet.



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 09:49 AM

Nice try edouard. Not at all. They want to enjoy the boat. What is the name of your 100' super maxi again?

 

I don't have any and I confess I am jealous to the point of becoming sleepless. That's why I make silly jokes on the internet.

edouard, a little tip. You haven't been here long - a little time sent observing helps to keep you from making yourself look stupid.  You didn't make a silly joke, you disparaged the skipper of the boat ASC sails on.

 

Think about it - ASC has just sailed the S-H on a 100' supermaxi, and starts a thread to share with others the experience.  You, who are unworthy of even standing in her shade, engage in an exercise of self-aggrandissment by dissing her skipper, on HER thread.

 

35 years of sailing and still this stupid?  You should cancel your internet connection immediately.

 

 

 

 

 

Fuck me, I'm turning into Evo!

 

PS you can't spell Hobie either.



#3103 edouard

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:08 PM

 

Nice try edouard. Not at all. They want to enjoy the boat. What is the name of your 100' super maxi again?

 

I don't have any and I confess I am jealous to the point of becoming sleepless. That's why I make silly jokes on the internet.

edouard, a little tip. You haven't been here long - a little time sent observing helps to keep you from making yourself look stupid.  You didn't make a silly joke, you disparaged the skipper of the boat ASC sails on.

 

Think about it - ASC has just sailed the S-H on a 100' supermaxi, and starts a thread to share with others the experience.  You, who are unworthy of even standing in her shade, engage in an exercise of self-aggrandissment by dissing her skipper, on HER thread.

 

35 years of sailing and still this stupid?  You should cancel your internet connection immediately.

 

 

 

 

 

Fuck me, I'm turning into Evo!

 

PS you can't spell Hobie either.

 

Thanks for the Hobie :) and for the laugh. You guys really take yourselves much too seriously.



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Posted 25 January 2014 - 01:21 PM

....it's early here,,,methinks I'll forego popcorn ,,have some granola/beer instead thanks <_<

 

 

 

.........noice ride ASC!



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Posted 26 January 2014 - 03:52 AM

Thanks couchsurfer - it's Australia Day here so it's all but obligatory to have beer with everything!

Thanks Recividist! I'm but one in a team of 20 - the majority of which are amazing sailors (self not included) but we all bring something to the table! I can't take credit for this thread but I have been happy to contribute to it!

This is SA and I've been here long enough to expect flaming but there are times where folks can get caught up in hearsay and gossip and the flaming isn't always warranted.

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 04:42 AM

Review in on Channel 7 now.

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Posted 26 January 2014 - 04:51 PM

 

 

Nice try edouard. Not at all. They want to enjoy the boat. What is the name of your 100' super maxi again?

 

I don't have any and I confess I am jealous to the point of becoming sleepless. That's why I make silly jokes on the internet.

edouard, a little tip. You haven't been here long - a little time sent observing helps to keep you from making yourself look stupid.  You didn't make a silly joke, you disparaged the skipper of the boat ASC sails on.

 

Think about it - ASC has just sailed the S-H on a 100' supermaxi, and starts a thread to share with others the experience.  You, who are unworthy of even standing in her shade, engage in an exercise of self-aggrandissment by dissing her skipper, on HER thread.

 

35 years of sailing and still this stupid?  You should cancel your internet connection immediately.

 

 

 

 

 

Fuck me, I'm turning into Evo!

 

PS you can't spell Hobie either.

 

Thanks for the Hobie :) and for the laugh. You guys really take yourselves much too seriously.

Ah the cry of fuckwits everywhere....



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:40 AM

Just saw this pic on ABC web site.
 
 
 

anyone know where I can get a high res version of this photo.
Cheers
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:20 PM

rob, well it's the ABCs photo

if you're willing to follow up

 

largest on the net is 700 x 700, you need more?

 

 http://www.abc.net.a...1x1-700x700.jpg



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Posted 02 February 2014 - 02:46 AM

Couldn't they start the multihull fleet a day later or some determined staggered start giving the monos line honors odds? They used to do something similar in French races like the Route du Rhum. I think that ended when Ellen MacArthur got line honors in 2002 after ORMA fleet's "issues". But that's a traditionally multihull glory race, like how the StH is a mono glory race, so shift starts to stay loyal to those traditions.

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Posted 02 February 2014 - 12:15 PM

Sure you could, but you could also do the same sort of thing with F1 cars in saloon car races, recumbent streamliners in the Tour de France, fin swimmers in the Olympic 50 freestyle, or cheetahs in greyhound racing.

 

No one does the above because they are happy to let races created by and for certain types of gear remain by and for certain types of gear for various good reasons (like having a less complicated event). Why can't the Hobart do the same?



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Posted 02 February 2014 - 07:14 PM

Its a "sailboat" race, with divisions of "sailboats", add another division, its very easy to do this.... there, done. ;)



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Posted 02 February 2014 - 09:56 PM

Its a "sailboat" race, with divisions of "sailboats", add another division, its very easy to do this.... there, done. ;)

 

No, it's not a "sailboat race". It's a race for SOME sailboats. Not all of them. It never has been for all sailboats. In fact like the other "mainstream classics" in its early stages it was a race for a small minority of racing sailboats.

 

Lots of sporting and social events have sub-divisions for the stuff that they cater for, but that doesn't mean that they have to allow in other types of equipment. Having divisions within IRC and ORCi etc is a completely different thing to bringing in a division for a different type of craft. 

 

The Ford car club near me has an event that is broken down into divisions for different types of Ford, but that doesn't mean that they have to allow Porsches to enter. The archery club has events for different types of gear but that doesn't mean they cater for all bows or for slingshots and shotguns.  The Tour de France is race for two types of standard UCI type bikes and they don't add divisions for other bicycles. There are horse racing clubs that include divisions for different types of horses but they don't add divisions for different types of animals. The list of events that have sub-categories without allowing in different styles of gear is endless.

 

The true hypocrisy and bias of some posters is clearly shown by the fact that they whine like dingoes about mono races that don't let multis in, but celebrate multi races that don't let monos in, and they don't complain about other exclusions like the exclusion of fully-crewed boats from shorthanded races, or the exclusion of cruising keelboats from sportsboat events.



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Posted 02 February 2014 - 10:05 PM

A good Cape Breton islander once told me this,  "Build a bridge, and get over it..."



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Posted 02 February 2014 - 10:40 PM

It's the people who continue to whine about multis not being allowed in monos, and who have been whinging for 40 years or more, who aren't over it. 



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Posted 02 February 2014 - 10:49 PM

Sure you could, but you could also do the same sort of thing with F1 cars in saloon car races, recumbent streamliners in the Tour de France, fin swimmers in the Olympic 50 freestyle, or cheetahs in greyhound racing.

  

Kind of, but at the same time there are chihuahua's and other non performance dogs on the same track.  At least you mentioned a type of cat to draw the line with.  

 

What has the discussion or stance of the S2H race committee been on the subject of multis?  I know that for Transpac, there is a whole objective of getting the barn door trophy, and that is only reserved for fixed keel monohulls.  They do allow multis and canting keel boats to race though.  But they come off as basically a side show to the real event.  It's also the most benign race course to span 2K miles available, so there's a bit of apples/oranges going on.  



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Posted 03 February 2014 - 03:44 AM

I don't think the CYCA really has a stance on multis, any more than the Hobie class association has a stance on Lasers or the greyhound association has a stance on cheetahs, or the sports car clubs have a stance on F1. The CYCA is essentially a club for certain types of offshore mono, so what another discipline does doesn't have to be relevant to them, does it? 

 

The CYCA has said that they don't know enough about multis to know that they are safe. Many poo-pooed that here but guess what - the Coffs thread and recent threads show that there IS a lack of knowledge and machinery when it comes to things like structural requirements and certification for multis. 

 

The CYCA has taken a hard line on safety for years and have lead the way in barring many monos as well, including plywood boats, IOR centreboarders, small monos etc. It's part of the club's culture IMHO and surely any club is allowed to have and express a culture; other clubs certainly do.

 

It's easy to criticise them but since the fallout of the '98 Race (including a lot of press controversy, gruelling and expensive sessions for staff and officials in the inquest, and the payout of unspecified sums to the widows of some of those who died) the club seems to have become understandably touchy about safety and litigation. I certainly don't agree with all the things they've done (my boat is no longer automatically eligible for their races and some of their committee unfairly attacked a club of mine) but surely those who make a race can make the rules as well?

 

Re chihuahas and greyhounds. The fact that there is some variation in the accepted fleet doesn't mean that you have to suddenly allow in all types. There are many races that run a wide variety of multis, but they are still just for multis. There are events that cater for a wide variety of windsurfers, but they are still just for windsurfers. There are events for a wide variety of Nacra cats that don't allow in Hobies and vice versa. 

 

If having an event just for one type of craft is a good thing for windsurfers and Hobie sailors and Nacra sailors and multi sailors to do (and IMHO it is) then why is it wrong for the CYCA to do it? 



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Posted 03 February 2014 - 05:49 AM

"I don't think the CYCA really has a stance on multis, any more than the Hobie class association has a stance on Lasers or the greyhound association has a stance on cheetahs, or the sports car clubs have a stance on F1. The CYCA is essentially a club for certain types of offshore mono, so what another discipline does doesn't have to be relevant to them, does it? "

They probably have addressed it more often than the greyhound racers have had to address cheetas or the hobie 16 worlds having to fend off laser sailors, so I think it's an exaggerated comparison by a lot. They certainly will have to start addressing it more if the French boats keep being collected by wealthy Australians, but I see your point. So far, non issue.

For sure the 98 Hobart stands proud in the organizers minds, as it should. Who would volunteer to host a disaster? That said, the fastnet race has grown to allow such classes. Of course they have a lot more ocean racing multies over there, so until Australia pulls those numbers banging on the door, they've got no real pressure beyond Internet forums, afaik.

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 10:44 AM

"I don't think the CYCA really has a stance on multis, any more than the Hobie class association has a stance on Lasers or the greyhound association has a stance on cheetahs, or the sports car clubs have a stance on F1. The CYCA is essentially a club for certain types of offshore mono, so what another discipline does doesn't have to be relevant to them, does it? "

They probably have addressed it more often than the greyhound racers have had to address cheetas or the hobie 16 worlds having to fend off laser sailors, so I think it's an exaggerated comparison by a lot. They certainly will have to start addressing it more if the French boats keep being collected by wealthy Australians, but I see your point. So far, non issue.

For sure the 98 Hobart stands proud in the organizers minds, as it should. Who would volunteer to host a disaster? That said, the fastnet race has grown to allow such classes. Of course they have a lot more ocean racing multies over there, so until Australia pulls those numbers banging on the door, they've got no real pressure beyond Internet forums, afaik.

 

Having started racing with the CYCA as a kid in '79 and known some of the prime movers involved in the multihull "shadow races" to Hobart (1966, 1974?, 1980 and C 1985) I don't think that the issue has really ever come up very seriously. There are not enough boats and it's not a multi race any more than the OSTAR is a fully-crewed race.

 

We've had big fast (for their time) local multis before (Kraken 55, Crowther 60s and 50s) so the ORMA 60s are not unprecedented. Similarly, we've got high-speed streamlined recumbent bicycles here but no one is demanding that they get a spot in our major cycle races, and we've had F1 type cars down here but no one demanded that they get a spot in the major saloon/touring car races.

 

Just about every other sport seems to get the idea that you can hold a specialist event, just like multis do. 

 

 BTW I wasn't talking about Hobie worlds, and I know that at least one (mainly) Hobie club in Sydney has rejected requests from small OD monos to race. That's fine by me, if Hobie sailors want a Hobie club that's cool. There was a kerfuffle a few years back when Hobie US allegedly told many Hobie fleets that they had to cease to cater for other 'beach cat' classes. Funnily enough, plenty of people thought that Hobie fleets could exclude Nacras but when mono organisations exclude cats it's seen as something different. It also seems odd that people are saying that ORMA 60s should be allowed to race monos when the ORMA guys banned proas, and also banned fully-crewed ORMA 60s from their shorthanded races. Why do some 'bans' attract such hate when banning other multis, or fully-crewed sisterships, attracts none?

 

The Fastnet is affected by some very different factors, one of which you noted. Bermuda has no multis and is doing well. Whoops, I meant the monohull Bermuda race. I think the multihull one died out through lack of interest, didn't it?



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Posted 06 February 2014 - 01:11 PM

I for one am pretty sure I don't want to be on a raft when the shit hits the fan in bass straight. Although.... once they are upside down they do seem very stable.....



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 07:51 AM

Interesting afternoon in Hobart town weather wise



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Posted 09 February 2014 - 11:22 AM

Interesting afternoon in Hobart town weather wise


Jezuz, 10 knots from the south at 2:30. 70 knots from the WNW at 3:11

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 07:18 PM

Interesting afternoon in Hobart town weather wise


Jezuz, 10 knots from the south at 2:30. 70 knots from the WNW at 3:11

Very like Wellington, NZL and about as hilly too. Nice spot.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 01:47 PM

The 2013/69th Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race film, pls watch at:

http://www.youtube.c...ure=c4-overview

 

With many thanks to: the CYCATV and Rolex

http://www.youtube.c...V?feature=watch



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 06:17 PM

I'm halfway through Rob Mundle's rendition of the '98 Hobart.

 

Anybody here that went through that one, you have my deepest respect.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 09:13 PM

Read "the proving ground" by Bruce knecht. Much better book than mundles.

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 08:02 AM

I'm halfway through Rob Mundle's rendition of the '98 Hobart.

 

 

Anybody here that went through that one, you have my deepest respect.                                                   I was on B52 we were upside down for approx 5 min and i had to swim back to the boat after i unhooked from my teather as i was trapped under the boat.have done 5 since it was a bit of an adrenalin rush

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Posted 02 March 2014 - 09:49 AM

I'm halfway through Rob Mundle's rendition of the '98 Hobart.

 

 

Anybody here that went through that one, you have my deepest respect.                                                   I was on B52 we were upside down for approx 5 min and i had to swim back to the boat after i unhooked from my teather as i was trapped under the boat.have done 5 since it was a bit of an adrenalin rush

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I was on B52 we were upside down for approx 5 min and i had to swim back to the boat after i unhooked from my teather as i was trapped under the boat.have done 5 since it was a bit of an adrenalin rush

+1     Respect!



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 12:59 AM

Published on May 4, 2014

Rolex Spirit of Yachting - 2013 Rolex Sydney Hobart Yacht Race.

 

http://www.youtube.c...pLOdmrn2tMvDxDw






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