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#701 Moonduster

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:24 AM

SMC,

 

You said:

 

Some push button winches would be nice, sailing the VO70 around a tight course is bloody hard work!

 

Black Jack was upgraded to all hydraulic winches. It's no longer a V70.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:58 AM

thanks for the link, good to to see thousands of fun tickets turning into boat covers....Keep it up as am stuck at work till Xmas.....NSS(no sailing sux)


How do I order my Loyal CZ gear bag

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:59 AM

SMC,

 

You said:

 

Some push button winches would be nice, sailing the VO70 around a tight course is bloody hard work!

 

Black Jack was upgraded to all hydraulic winches. It's no longer a V70.

 

 

I know, I was talking from the Giacomo perspective who don't have that luxury, and my arms and shoulders are sore today...



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:03 AM

Your arms are sore....REALLY.....Luxury......Try the old Brindas with power nothing, hauling overpowered sails with 25-30 knots in them trying to accelerate a 23ton behemoth.....We drank the boat dry of water before the second lap started.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:45 AM

OK PIL & SMC

pics or it didn't happen

put 'em up girls

 

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:50 AM

 

Be good to see a 68 beat a 70!!!
There's a challenge OA.

Prize? :P

Dinner in Hobart at a really lovely restaurant (discovered whilst on honeymoon). My shout.

:-)

68's 1.209 and 70s 1.291  - lydia is going to help me work out how long a 70 has to be stuck in the river before I collect dinner! :D



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:00 AM

Latest odds from Centerbet http://centrebet.com/#Sports/6085711

 

Thursday, 26 December 2013 11:30 AM
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Wild Oats XI
Perpetual LOYAL
Ragamuffin 100
Beau Geste
Wild Thing
Black Jack
Any Yacht Not Listed
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Giacomo


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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:08 AM

Considering how long it must have taken to get the sail back and the time lost without it it's pretty clear from the small elapsed time difference that loyal is faster that oats in those conditions.

Flame suit on.

 

Which way to the Asbestos Underwear section?

 

Have to agree. I think this Hobart will finally put the old WOXI out to pasture. She's about due for a major towelling and Loyal is the boat to do it.

Loyal's about-to-be newly imported pre-Xmas special CZ will pay for itself.   



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:28 AM

OK PIL & SMC

pics or it didn't happen

put 'em up girls

 

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My arms are sore from all the beer drinking afterwards...

 

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:30 AM


Considering how long it must have taken to get the sail back and the time lost without it it's pretty clear from the small elapsed time difference that loyal is faster that oats in those conditions.

Flame suit on.

 
Which way to the Asbestos Underwear section?
 
Have to agree. I think this Hobart will finally put the old WOXI out to pasture. She's about due for a major towelling and Loyal is the boat to do it.
Loyal's about-to-be newly imported pre-Xmas special CZ will pay for itself.   

Brave words.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:35 AM

smc

 

beaudy ! PILS go

 

1st reach down into Shark mark then (your photo) given your right 'onto Loyal' 



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:40 AM

Thanks Mel,

Great video, especially from on shore.

I liked the fact it was steady and you could focus on the boat, some shots really showed the horsepower on tap. 

Looked like you had a great spot to view the action!

SB 

 

For those who are super keen, here is the long unedited version of my video. I am in the process of doing a shorter version that I will upload high res for those who want to wait.



In between doing the video I took the photos on the same camera. Sorry for the long URL doing this on ipad. https://www.facebook...=1&l=e3d4eb2c1c



#713 Mel

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 03:55 AM

Thanks Mel,

Great video, especially from on shore.

I liked the fact it was steady and you could focus on the boat, some shots really showed the horsepower on tap. 

Looked like you had a great spot to view the action!

SB 

 

For those who are super keen, here is the long unedited version of my video. I am in the process of doing a shorter version that I will upload high res for those who want to wait.



In between doing the video I took the photos on the same camera. Sorry for the long URL doing this on ipad. https://www.facebook...=1&l=e3d4eb2c1c

 

 

Hahaha yeah took a bit of rushing from one side of the headland to the other to get the different angles.  The ground was super uneven so hard to get the tripod straight and balanced each time, but it turned out ok.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:15 AM

GS ......my untoned 47yo arms were all over the ABC news last night (rare moment on the pumps)....I don't need a bollocking from you when I have my own mates ripping into me over it.......there will be no photos.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:23 AM

Considering how long it must have taken to get the sail back and the time lost without it it's pretty clear from the small elapsed time difference that loyal is faster that oats in those conditions.

Flame suit on.

 

Which way to the Asbestos Underwear section?

 

Have to agree. I think this Hobart will finally put the old WOXI out to pasture. She's about due for a major towelling and Loyal is the boat to do it.

Loyal's about-to-be newly imported pre-Xmas special CZ will pay for itself.   

 

well you'll get $2.10 for every dollar if you do more than just type it :lol:

 

pics will show your receipts 



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:52 AM

Mer and I are your new Christmas prezzie.  See you in two weeks!



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 04:55 AM

Booby prize?



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 05:09 AM

That thing definitely cost every bit of 100 K. More likely significantly more. No chance of getting another one by Boxing Day. Maybe a paneled one could be done??

Imagine the loads on that thing. Fuck me they must be massive.

Thanks for the video.


Does anyone know the age of the sail?

It was a 4 year old R1 and the word on the boat was that it would be $150K to replace. Cocko was on the phone sorting it out pretty quickly after they crossed the line.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 05:14 AM

Considering how long it must have taken to get the sail back and the time lost without it it's pretty clear from the small elapsed time difference that loyal is faster that oats in those conditions.

Flame suit on.

except
the boat continued on course meanwhile, and ...
they pulled on a string and it furled

on the 2nd lap no extras down the short run Ft Denison --> Bradleys so its close

like alot of triangular plan boats it heels with it's hip up in the sky, the 70s sail flatter, more rig (relatively) makes the 70 look stiff by comparison, Oats looks stiff

There was a at least 3-4 minutes lost whilst the crew got the bottom half of the sail back onto the boat. They sailed with the top part of it flagging all the way up to the top mark and a fair way down the next leg back to Fort Denison. It wasn't furled the boat was slowed again and the halyard dropped so they could pull the remains on board. The distance that was lost as a result of blowing it up was much greater than what the distance was between them at the finish. Loyal made up a fair bity on the last leg.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 05:44 AM

i reckon they weren't stopped for anywhere near 4 minutes !

 

but doesn't change your final point as she sailed last lap downwind lap no extras so all up deficit > finish

 

no surprise from me she would not take on Woxi running under a spinnaker  

 

might come down to routing going south, unless the weather gods deliver some heavy beam/tight reaching  



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 06:23 AM

Loyal made up a fair bity on the last leg

When the wind change came through and favoured them



#722 sheeting yarns

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 06:32 AM

Loyal have to get to Hobart without breaking. That could be a challenge. If there is some hard reaching, it will be interesting to see how the V70's go as I expect they will neither back off or break.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 09:04 AM

Loyal have to get to Hobart without breaking. That could be a challenge. If there is some hard reaching, it will be interesting to see how the V70's go as I expect they will neither back off or break.

Sure...they did not break much during the last Volvo, just few masts,rudders, bow delam, tack blown off... They all face the same challenge of not breaking. On Loyal its just a bit more obvious.



#724 lydia

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 09:14 AM

Tough weather picture.

Monsoon trough extending way south blocking the high and the lows and associated fronts pushed further south and not getting up to the race track.

Could see a series of lows form over the Gippsland ahead of a stalled high and move south east and move across the Strait.

but the lows will form and fill quickly

And the  timing would be anyone's guess at this point.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 09:18 AM

So Oats has to give Loyal time in IRC. Ichi Bahn's 2nd in IRC is ominous, Shogun 1st but she is not competing in the Hobart. Anyone drawn any conclusions to Oats vs Loyal after BB Challenge?



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 09:21 AM

Also big sea temp deferential over Berri's shelf this week at least.

Have to keep an eye on that.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 09:56 AM

So Oats has to give Loyal time in IRC. Ichi Bahn's 2nd in IRC is ominous, Shogun 1st but she is not competing in the Hobart. Anyone drawn any conclusions to Oats vs Loyal after BB Challenge?


From what I saw Loyal is quicker upwind

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:15 AM

if there's some breeze for Line Honours:

Perpetual Loyal

Beau Geste

Wild Oats

Black Jack

Ragamuffin

Giacomo

Wild Thing

Ichiban

 

Get out your matches; it's flame time!



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:26 AM

Gotta be some money to be made on BG for Line Honours surely. The big two will have to back off before they do, and Loyal has to get there in one piece. 



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:47 AM

The shorter version for those who don't want to watch as much is now up on YouTube. It is also higher res



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 11:29 AM

I don't buy into the argument about BG and the VO70's not having to back off thus beating the Supermaxis. Yes the maxis will reduce sail earlier but they will still have more than enough sail and water line length to sail higher or lower past them. Yes ABN was ahead of oats etc back in the day but the rig broke shortly after...

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 11:49 AM

Mer and I are your new Christmas prezzie.  See you in two weeks!

Good, I'm out of your Mount Gay! Finally finished it off recently.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:08 PM


Mer and I are your new Christmas prezzie.  See you in two weeks!

Good, I'm out of your Mount Gay! Finally finished it off recently.
Must have been a big bottle!!

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 01:31 PM

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....what a great buildup & 'bluster'.....whatever happens it'll be an EPIC race!

 

 

 

.........too bad Clean's coming down...I'm just wondering how he'll 'upstage' this one? :mellow:  :rolleyes:  :P



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 09:47 PM

Big Boat Race from Giacomo,



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:32 PM

of course BG has to get here first. Heard rumour she is back in the yard in NZ?



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:51 PM

Nice vid Giacomo people! 



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 10:58 PM

 

 

Be good to see a 68 beat a 70!!!
There's a challenge OA.

Prize? :P

Dinner in Hobart at a really lovely restaurant (discovered whilst on honeymoon). My shout.

:-)

68's 1.209 and 70s 1.291  - lydia is going to help me work out how long a 70 has to be stuck in the river before I collect dinner! :D

If the 70 takes 3 days you need to be just under 5 hours behind.

Those 70s are pretty slow.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:37 AM

So Oats has to give Loyal time in IRC. Ichi Bahn's 2nd in IRC is ominous, Shogun 1st but she is not competing in the Hobart. Anyone drawn any conclusions to Oats vs Loyal after BB Challenge?


From what I saw Loyal is quicker upwind

In 20+ knots, are they going to get 20+ all the way to hobart?



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 01:18 AM

Mer and I are your new Christmas prezzie.  See you in two weeks!

I'm up for a welcome hug x 2!  :)



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 02:01 AM

 

So Oats has to give Loyal time in IRC. Ichi Bahn's 2nd in IRC is ominous, Shogun 1st but she is not competing in the Hobart. Anyone drawn any conclusions to Oats vs Loyal after BB Challenge?


From what I saw Loyal is quicker upwind

In 20+ knots, are they going to get 20+ all the way to hobart?

 

20+ on the nose for a good part of the race is more likely than heavy reaching.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 02:11 AM

So Oats has to give Loyal time in IRC. Ichi Bahn's 2nd in IRC is ominous, Shogun 1st but she is not competing in the Hobart. Anyone drawn any conclusions to Oats vs Loyal after BB Challenge?

 

Why is Terrafirma (Cookson 50) not going to Hobart ?

 

That is a long delivery trip (Melbourne to Sydney) just for a short BB Challenge race?



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 02:26 AM

Wasn't just for the BB Challenge, also sailed in the prestigious non-spinnaker twilights last night



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:34 AM

What the goss with Rags, very low key and doesn't seem to want to come out a play with the others - could be a good bet at $7, Syds a cagey old bastard



#745 Mel

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 04:39 AM

What the goss with Rags, very low key and doesn't seem to want to come out a play with the others - could be a good bet at $7, Syds a cagey old bastard

 

They have been getting some work done!  Linky to some images



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 04:46 AM

Why is Terrafirma (Cookson 50) not going to Hobart ?

 

That is a long delivery trip (Melbourne to Sydney) just for a short BB Challenge race?

 

Hasn't been back to Melbourne since heading north for the Southport race. Still making her way home...

 

Mex



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 05:15 AM

 

 

So Oats has to give Loyal time in IRC. Ichi Bahn's 2nd in IRC is ominous, Shogun 1st but she is not competing in the Hobart. Anyone drawn any conclusions to Oats vs Loyal after BB Challenge?


From what I saw Loyal is quicker upwind

In 20+ knots, are they going to get 20+ all the way to hobart?

 

20+ on the nose for a good part of the race is more likely than heavy reaching.

I wasn't talking about wind direction, but about wind strength. 10-20 knots average for the whole race would seem reasonable to me and it's likely that oats will perform comparatively better in light conditions. 


Disclosure: I F**ing hate oats and the Channel 7 coverage of it every year



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 05:20 AM

Mer and I are your new Christmas prezzie.  See you in two weeks!

I'm up for a welcome hug x 2!  :)

Guess I am unemployed then!

Cool more cruising around the south coast



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 06:39 AM

Mate, I wouldn't worry about Clean. Ozee has more class than that.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:05 AM

Doesn't look to me as if Loyal toasted Oats. Could be the camera angle but they looked pretty even to me.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:19 AM

WOXI went for a quick run north this afternoon - does anyone know if they were using the old or new mast ??

 

 reckon they'll need to make a decision pretty soon on which way they go 



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:24 AM

You blokes who think you can do a speed comparison from that race are pulling yourselves. The footage I've seen Oats had bad air for the entire first leg and a fair chunck of the second too. Hardly a good comparison for speed, and in a gusty westerly on Sydney harbor? GMAFB. You can be two boat lengths apart and have 10kn difference in wind speed.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:31 AM

Doesn't look to me as if Loyal toasted Oats. Could be the camera angle but they looked pretty even to me.

 

To the naked eye, Loyal did look better uphill and downhill in the BBC on Tuesday. Seemed to point a degree or two higher than Oats and just seemed more 'powerful' through the water. You can seriously see the different hull forms when they are going uphill and the huge arse of Loyal is obvious. Interestingly for me was that the two VO70's had very similar lines going uphill to Loyal in terms of design concept. 

 

BUT - Oats is no slouch and was off like a shot cat once they hoisted their kite at Denison.  

 

Sounds obvious, but conditions and more importantly, tactics will win the day. Money's even on equipment and crew. Best Hobart for yonks. 

 

PS - are the 'elves' working 24-7 on the new downhill zero for Loyal? Can they afford to not have it in their inventory? 



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 08:47 AM

The big boat race is a test of the crews and their preparation, not a boat speed test. First Blood to the red shirts.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:26 AM

WOXI went for a quick run north this afternoon - does anyone know if they were using the old or new mast ??
 
 reckon they'll need to make a decision pretty soon on which way they go 


Guess it depends a bit on the forecast

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:32 AM

I'm sure loyal will beg borrow or buy a sail.

Now did oats use DSS in the BBC and I assume that's the new rig yeah?

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:40 AM


Doesn't look to me as if Loyal toasted Oats. Could be the camera angle but they looked pretty even to me.

 
To the naked eye, Loyal did look better uphill and downhill in the BBC on Tuesday. Seemed to point a degree or two higher than Oats and just seemed more 'powerful' through the water. You can seriously see the different hull forms when they are going uphill and the huge arse of Loyal is obvious. Interestingly for me was that the two VO70's had very similar lines going uphill to Loyal in terms of design concept. 
 
BUT - Oats is no slouch and was off like a shot cat once they hoisted their kite at Denison.  
 
Sounds obvious, but conditions and more importantly, tactics will win the day. Money's even on equipment and crew. Best Hobart for yonks. 
 
PS - are the 'elves' working 24-7 on the new downhill zero for Loyal? Can they afford to not have it in their inventory? 

Loyal is basically a scaled up version of ABN AMRO 1 aka Black Betty. Big fat powerful ass but has to push more water.

Agree, best Hobart I can remember! Can't wait to see the start with the clipper fleet. Anyone know if they are on the first line?

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:56 AM

and the big DIFFERENCE tween Loyal and the 70s is that the 70s stay flat, plane and go go go 

 

Loyal not so, big rig by comparison I reckon and she heels far more, as much as Oats easy 

 

from watching, any "what should make her stiffer' was overcome by the metre taller rig & large SA

(and also she did not reef, WO and BJ did)

 

richie there is no chance she will not have her furling code sails, that and probably a smaller blast (jib-top?) reacher version is the primary zone where her advantage lies, beam & tight reaching    



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:17 AM

and the big DIFFERENCE tween Loyal and the 70s is that the 70s stay flat, plane and go go go 
 
Loyal not so, big rig by comparison I reckon and she heels far more, as much as Oats easy 
 
from watching, any "what should make her stiffer' was overcome by the metre taller rig & large SA
(and also she did not reef, WO and BJ did)
 
richie there is no chance she will not have her furling code sails, that and probably a smaller blast (jib-top?) reacher version is the primary zone where her advantage lies, beam & tight reaching    

Loyal has 4 tonne of water ballast that she wasn't using on Tuesday don't forget.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:47 AM

Loyal has a new sail en route no issue there. Didn't realise they weren't using their water, hasn't Oats got water also.? Still find it interesting that Oats has to give Loyal time under IRC, where is Oats being penalised in terms of rating?



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:57 AM

Abbo know your a red shirt fan but would they have won had it not been for the blow out on Loyal.? Yes you take the win but they were behind at the time, for me it means nothing. Loyal is fast, perhaps faster but needs to get there and she has a bad record for finishing races.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 11:05 AM


and the big DIFFERENCE tween Loyal and the 70s is that the 70s stay flat, plane and go go go  
Loyal not so, big rig by comparison I reckon and she heels far more, as much as Oats easy  
from watching, any "what should make her stiffer' was overcome by the metre taller rig & large SA
(and also she did not reef, WO and BJ did)

.
Loyal has 4 tonne of water ballast that she wasn't using on Tuesday don't forget.


.
as would the 70s i'm comparing differences with, don't forget that  
 
even WOxi has had WB, dunno about the current config, you would expect 'stern down' tanks given the 'backing off' reports.
 
She certainly had Water B in 2008 the year Wharro was running quicker then them all the way to Schouten Ils. and only finished an hour behind

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 11:19 AM

Abbo know your a red shirt fan but would they have won had it not been for the blow out on Loyal.? Yes you take the win but they were behind at the time, for me it means nothing. Loyal is fast, perhaps faster but needs to get there and she has a bad record for finishing races.

.

that is a stretch

Loyal was only evens at 'blow out' time, nose ahead but further from the mark, and still had yet another run from Ft Denison to Bradleys next lap, where, only minutes earlier, WOxi had already demonstrated that she could, with ease,  close, overtake and move ahead from WELL behind

In fact on the next lap was even more favourable to WO, with the breeze clocking WOxi added that (leg) distance again under "proper" spinnaker well bast the Bradleys mark ( carried spi to well past Shark)


With the kite up at NO point was Woxi slower



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 11:47 AM

Only 13d 14h 14m to go...
I do believe I'm getting all wet...

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:29 PM

Abbo know your a red shirt fan but would they have won had it not been for the blow out on Loyal.? Yes you take the win but they were behind at the time, for me it means nothing. Loyal is fast, perhaps faster but needs to get there and she has a bad record for finishing races.

 

Loyal had only hit the lead 30 seconds before and did it by carrying their chute longer. Big fucking deal. They were leading by half a length if that and were outside for the next mark rounding and had to put their chute away? Are you sure loyal would have been first around the next mark even if their chute didn't fail? Pretty marginal call to me.

 

Fair enough Loyal sailed a terrible run tactically but Oats galloped past like they were standing still. The only significant speed difference I saw was running and the difference was huge.

 

I would never consider myself a red coat fan, I like to see them get beaten as much as anyone. But when you consider they only stepped the repaired rig the night before it was a pretty bloody polished performance for a team that is on the back foot and hasn't sailed in 3 weeks. Loyal is without doubt one of the coolest boats ever built. I've seen her up close several times and she is truly breathtaking. I've got a few mates on board her and would love to see them get up but christ they will need some luck!

 

WOXI is an excellent all round performer, Loyal is a bit of a one trick pony, she reaches very well in pressure, upwind in pressure she looks like she can hold her own but will definitely be slower in lighter air and is CLEARLY slower running in all conditions. 



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:36 PM

My honest to god opinion is that Loyal would never reach her full speed potential around a track like the SOLAS course. That's a boat which truly benefits from the ability to do long legs on the ocean. Getting it going and making the changes may take longer but the speed potential is higher once it's movin and groovin. 



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:41 PM

As I've said before, one of the most like scenarios for a Loyal win involves the biggest weapon up Loyal's sleeve, Stan Honey. He is one of the Godfathers of routing and has a track record that is the envy of all his peers. If he whistles up some of his magic and Oats don't cover then it could be all over very quickly.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 05:40 PM

 

and the big DIFFERENCE tween Loyal and the 70s is that the 70s stay flat, plane and go go go  
Loyal not so, big rig by comparison I reckon and she heels far more, as much as Oats easy  
from watching, any "what should make her stiffer' was overcome by the metre taller rig & large SA
(and also she did not reef, WO and BJ did)

.
Loyal has 4 tonne of water ballast that she wasn't using on Tuesday don't forget.

 

.
as would the 70s i'm comparing differences with, don't forget that  
 
even WOxi has had WB, dunno about the current config, you would expect 'stern down' tanks given the 'backing off' reports.
 
She certainly had Water B in 2008 the year Wharro was running quicker then them all the way to Schouten Ils. and only finished an hour behind

Loyal has water ballast tanks mounted port & starboard for righting moment while the VO70 have a centerline aft tank for trim while heavy running/planning 



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:05 PM

As I've said before, one of the most like scenarios for a Loyal win involves the biggest weapon up Loyal's sleeve, Stan Honey. He is one of the Godfathers of routing and has a track record that is the envy of all his peers. If he whistles up some of his magic and Oats don't cover then it could be all over very quickly.

Plus one

                                   Plenty of  Good sailors on all the weapons going to Hobart this year,Stan Honey is the Guru weather man and router.... :( ,so when they get  the lead(if they get it) ,I agree he will make the difference.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:16 PM

I'll certainly be watching what Stan Honey calls.......we have our own legend in Lindsey May. This is his 157th Hobart......or something like that.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:31 PM

I'll certainly be watching what Stan Honey calls.......we have our own legend in Lindsey May. This is his 157th Hobart......or something like that.


Lol, owned.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:34 PM

I'll certainly be watching what Stan Honey calls.......we have our own legend in Lindsey May. This is his 157th Hobart......or something like that.

 

Agreed, nothing but respect for Lindsay, his boats are rarely in the wrong spot. Had a good battle with him at the nav table in 2006, we went further out to sea with a more radical strategy than his which looked like it was paying off until we sunk. Perhaps the wily old Lindsay knew just how heinous the seas would be were we were and wisely avoided them? Love and War went on to win.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:31 PM


 


and the big DIFFERENCE tween Loyal and the 70s is that the 70s stay flat, plane and go go go  
Loyal not so, big rig by comparison I reckon and she heels far more, as much as Oats easy  
from watching, any "what should make her stiffer' was overcome by the metre taller rig & large SA
(and also she did not reef, WO and BJ did)

.
Loyal has 4 tonne of water ballast that she wasn't using on Tuesday don't forget.
 
.
as would the 70s i'm comparing differences with, don't forget that  
 
even WOxi has had WB, dunno about the current config, you would expect 'stern down' tanks given the 'backing off' reports.
 
She certainly had Water B in 2008 the year Wharro was running quicker then them all the way to Schouten Ils. and only finished an hour behind
Loyal has water ballast tanks mounted port & starboard for righting moment while the VO70 have a centerline aft tank for trim while heavy running/planning 
They told me the other day that they had removed one of the W/B tanks from each side.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:45 PM

 

 


 


and the big DIFFERENCE tween Loyal and the 70s is that the 70s stay flat, plane and go go go  
Loyal not so, big rig by comparison I reckon and she heels far more, as much as Oats easy  
from watching, any "what should make her stiffer' was overcome by the metre taller rig & large SA
(and also she did not reef, WO and BJ did)

.
Loyal has 4 tonne of water ballast that she wasn't using on Tuesday don't forget.
 
.
as would the 70s i'm comparing differences with, don't forget that  
 
even WOxi has had WB, dunno about the current config, you would expect 'stern down' tanks given the 'backing off' reports.
 
She certainly had Water B in 2008 the year Wharro was running quicker then them all the way to Schouten Ils. and only finished an hour behind
Loyal has water ballast tanks mounted port & starboard for righting moment while the VO70 have a centerline aft tank for trim while heavy running/planning 
They told me the other day that they had removed one of the W/B tanks from each side.

You seem to be operating on more current information.  The last configuration I knew of when the boat was still Rambler was P&S ballast tanks, a multiple small tanks to allow fore/aft trim control.  Not sure what they are going with now but they originally had much more then the VO70 have.  Would be interesting to see what they are running now.  



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:46 PM

My honest to god opinion is that Loyal would never reach her full speed potential around a track like the SOLAS course. That's a boat which truly benefits from the ability to do long legs on the ocean. Getting it going and making the changes may take longer but the speed potential is higher once it's movin and groovin. 

+1

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 11:39 PM


My honest to god opinion is that Loyal would never reach her full speed potential around a track like the SOLAS course. That's a boat which truly benefits from the ability to do long legs on the ocean. Getting it going and making the changes may take longer but the speed potential is higher once it's movin and groovin. 

+1

I must say that I would love to see Loyal giving Wild Oats XI a good seeing to in S2H. Wild Oats has won it too many times - like Schumacher in F1. I think however that she will only be able to do it (all else being equal tactically) if she gets the conditions that suit her. Wild Oats is a rocketship, a competent all rounder, and she's well sailed. The IRC handicappers have put her over 100 + points higher for good reason. Loyal is " a Volvo 70 on steroids" - designed by a Volvo designer to effectively exploit weather systems over long distances by reaching . On a relatively short point A to B race, unless the conditions suit her, I think she may well be on the back foot. Suffice to say I would love to see her win...but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 11:51 PM

Cocko is smarter than Ricko.  Cocko and Stan Honey outsmarted the WOXI boys last time (with a slower boat) and I suspect they'll do it again.  There's a good chance they don't have a slower boat this time, which should make it easier.  But there's certainly a lot of talent on the Oats team and they are more familiar with their boat.

 

Having said that, every time WOXI has had a real challenge (in the S-H), they've lost.

 

No-one calling Rags?  If it blows on the nose she could prove to be toughest - but then so could Wild Thing.

 

I'm looking forward to it.  Wish I was a couple of decades younger. ;)



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:02 AM

Rags' big problem is sea-time with the new boards. She's been in the shed since september, and will have realistically, under a week to prepare.

 

You'd be a brave man to bet against Syd, but I think 3rd place is where they're aiming, and hoping the other two break.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:05 AM

Didn't Wild Oats park up in a hole in the 2011 race - one of the disadvantages of being the lead boat. It makes it very easy for following boats to see the park up and take a different option. No particular skill in not following somebody into a parking lot.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:24 AM

Didn't Wild Oats park up in a hole in the 2011 race - one of the disadvantages of being the lead boat. It makes it very easy for following boats to see the park up and take a different option. No particular skill in not following somebody into a parking lot.

No particular skill in having the fastest boat in the fleet either.....some might say.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:34 AM

Shot in the dark here but does anyone know of any other boats looking for crew?  All my leads thus far have proved fruitless....



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:40 AM

Didn't Wild Oats park up in a hole in the 2011 race - one of the disadvantages of being the lead boat. It makes it very easy for following boats to see the park up and take a different option. No particular skill in not following somebody into a parking lot.

No particular skill in having the fastest boat in the fleet either.....some might say.

 

Mmmm, not so sure about that.

Its definitely a skill I do not possess to have the biggest wallet to be able to afford the fastest boat in the fleet!! :)



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:49 AM

Rags 100 prodders are getting longer and longer  :blink:

 

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:24 AM

Holy hell! That's gotta be 20ft long?!



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 01:52 AM

Cocko is smarter than Ricko.


Really? Ricko has won ba match racing worlds or two with Gilly. Did an Acup with One Australia. What's Cocko's claim to fame?

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:18 AM

Forgetting the martin breaker on Rags is not an option .........take note Pearcey



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:29 AM

You know it's good shit when your prod has spreaders.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:29 AM

Forgetting the martin breaker on Rags is not an option .........take note Pearcey


Parko is on the bow. And he won't forget.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:34 AM

I think Rags would have come third before the mods and will probably still be 3rd. Maybe Syd has his own grudge match on or maybe it's his last and he just wants to break an elapsed time?

 

Or maybe ( most likely ) it's pocket change for him and he just wants to put the best foot forward.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:37 AM


Didn't Wild Oats park up in a hole in the 2011 race - one of the disadvantages of being the lead boat. It makes it very easy for following boats to see the park up and take a different option. No particular skill in not following somebody into a parking lot.

No particular skill in having the fastest boat in the fleet either.....some might say.
 
Mmmm, not so sure about that.
Its definitely a skill I do not possess to have the biggest wallet to be able to afford the fastest boat in the fleet!! :)

Well they'd better pay someone to come up with a better excuse than "we sailed into a hole and the boat behind sailed around us".

Really??? that has to be the lamest excuse ever. And that includes the sunfish. That's a fact of life in yacht racing at any level not an excuse for losing.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 06:07 AM

You know it's good shit when your prod has spreaders.

 

 Had the same thought :lol:



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 07:40 AM

You know it's good shit when your prod has spreaders.

 

 Had the same thought :lol:

I think the spreaders are dunnage on the scissor lift.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 07:47 AM

I think a significant portion of the IRC difference between Loyal and WO will be the DSS.  IRC spanks that sort of thing heavily.

 

Looking forward to the race, I hope WO does not win - time for someone else to get some coverage!



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 09:01 AM

Cocko is smarter than Ricko.


Really? Ricko has won ba match racing worlds or two with Gilly. Did an Acup with One Australia. What's Cocko's claim to fame?

Cocko is smarter than Ricko.


Really? Ricko has won ba match racing worlds or two with Gilly. Did an Acup with One Australia. What's Cocko's claim to fame?

Wasn't Cocko also on One Australia?

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:18 AM


You know it's good shit when your prod has spreaders.

 
 Had the same thought :lol:
I think the spreaders are dunnage on the scissor lift.

I think your correct John, so obviously the Prodder isn't long enough

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:31 AM

That bowsprit will do some damage if they stick into the tide with a sail out the end... Hope they have their fuses worked out!



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:41 AM

That bowsprit will do some damage if they stick into the tide with a sail out the end... Hope they have their fuses worked out!

Or they could just keebab someone with it in the harbour and be done with it.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:00 PM

 


My honest to god opinion is that Loyal would never reach her full speed potential around a track like the SOLAS course. That's a boat which truly benefits from the ability to do long legs on the ocean. Getting it going and making the changes may take longer but the speed potential is higher once it's movin and groovin. 

+1

I must say that I would love to see Loyal giving Wild Oats XI a good seeing to in S2H. Wild Oats has won it too many times - like Schumacher in F1. I think however that she will only be able to do it (all else being equal tactically) if she gets the conditions that suit her. Wild Oats is a rocketship, a competent all rounder, and she's well sailed. The IRC handicappers have put her over 100 + points higher for good reason. Loyal is " a Volvo 70 on steroids" - designed by a Volvo designer to effectively exploit weather systems over long distances by reaching . On a relatively short point A to B race, unless the conditions suit her, I think she may well be on the back foot. Suffice to say I would love to see her win...but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

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the reverse of what you are saying is the case

 

it's Loval that will need SPECIFIC conditions, that being breeze ACROSS the course

 

and that is not our regular Hobart

a  variety of conditions will suit the NON-binary boat



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 04:59 PM

 

 


My honest to god opinion is that Loyal would never reach her full speed potential around a track like the SOLAS course. That's a boat which truly benefits from the ability to do long legs on the ocean. Getting it going and making the changes may take longer but the speed potential is higher once it's movin and groovin. 

+1

I must say that I would love to see Loyal giving Wild Oats XI a good seeing to in S2H. Wild Oats has won it too many times - like Schumacher in F1. I think however that she will only be able to do it (all else being equal tactically) if she gets the conditions that suit her. Wild Oats is a rocketship, a competent all rounder, and she's well sailed. The IRC handicappers have put her over 100 + points higher for good reason. Loyal is " a Volvo 70 on steroids" - designed by a Volvo designer to effectively exploit weather systems over long distances by reaching . On a relatively short point A to B race, unless the conditions suit her, I think she may well be on the back foot. Suffice to say I would love to see her win...but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

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the reverse of what you are saying is the case

 

it's Loval that will need SPECIFIC conditions, that being breeze ACROSS the course

 

and that is not our regular Hobart

a  variety of conditions will suit the NON-binary boat

 

Which is basically exactly what Corkob said.



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Posted 13 December 2013 - 06:50 PM

Don't you dare suggest GS is not an all knowing God about the Hobart :o






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