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#1 dylan winter

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:56 AM

Bob,

 

I promised you a tour of the boats at the Southern site for the Humber Yawl Club

 

there are a few classics among them

 



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 12:26 PM

Is that a Contessa at 6:12?



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 12:35 PM

Is that a Contessa at 6:12?

 

 

I am pretty good on most boats under 24 feet - especially if they have anything other than a deep keel

 

so it could well be

 

I must say it is a wonderfully eclectic place

 

some beauties.... and a few that a bit less than that

 

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:24 PM

Very cool. Its also the entire Uglyboat thread rolled into one 8 minute vid.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:35 PM

Wow....it's apparent that people from the UK should not be allowed to buy topside paint in any colour other than white without a permit.

 

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:44 PM

1:12 - with the twin daggerboards (next to the small Westerly, no idea which one) - is a British Hunter 20 Sport. Development of the Red Fox. 

 

My guess for the wooden thing at 3:23 would be a Hillyard of some description. 



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:55 PM

Is that a Contessa at 6:12?

 

CO at forward end of cove line, so yes. 



#8 Bob Perry

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 05:58 PM

Thanks for the tour Dylan. That is one mighty interesting marina.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:05 PM

8:45 looks like a Westerly 22. 



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:22 PM

I think I spotted a couple of Westerly's. Buddy here in SF bought one last year cleaned it up and sold it to double his money. Actually a pretty cool little beefy boat.

 

The love for sailing will over come nearly all things for one to find something that floats and has a mast to hang sails from.



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:31 PM

Definitely Westerlys either side of the E-Boat. Such a distinctive house style. 



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:34 PM

I think I spotted a couple of Westerly's. Buddy here in SF bought one last year cleaned it up and sold it to double his money. Actually a pretty cool little beefy boat.

 

The love for sailing will over come nearly all things for one to find something that floats and has a mast to hang sails from.

 

and while on the subject of westerlies

 

bloody tough little boats

 

and many good ones available that were built before they invented osmosis

 

damn near immortal

 

and sail a lot better than they look

 

but as you say... not the prettiest boats in the world

 

I would have bought one but for my inboard-o-phobia

 

http://www.keepturni...sterly-pageant/

 

http://www.keepturni...ntaur-re-build/



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:35 PM

Definitely Westerlys either side of the E-Boat. Such a distinctive house style. 

 

 

you are pretty good at this game ed

 

how many do you reckon you can identify

 

I had an eboat when I was young and brim full of testosterone

 

damned good boats



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 07:01 PM

I'm pretty much done. I think the "very ugly thing" at 3.43 is another example of the boat that was the starting point for this: 

 

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(but your example has an added coachroof.) My original thought was for a Listang (early 70's quarter tonner), but they didn't have the vestigial side decks.  

 

If absolutely forced to guess 0:35, I would say Van der Stadt. No idea why, just an itch. Probably wrong. 



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 08:46 PM

Back about the beginning of time, or maybe just at the beginning of the fiberglass era, there were plenty of examples of 'cruising' boats at 20' and under here in the US. I'm thinking Alberg Typhoon, Bristol Corinthian (both by Alberg), Balboa 20 (Lyle Hess), Cal 20 (Lapworth), O'Day Mariner (Rhodes). Plus lots by nameless designers. They mostly died out. I think they were crushed by the Catalina 22. We didn't have the problem of cars with tiny motors unfit to pull a ton of trailer. It was the era of big displacement engines.

 

They never went completely away of course. We have boats by Precision, ComPac, Seward (Hake), etc, but you don't seem them too much on the coasts.

 

However, when I spent a week in Dillon, Colorado (elev 8500ft), I found they are alive and well on the lake there. There were lots of small keelboats there, which makes sense since the cold air flows down off the mountains and makes it intermittently windy.

 

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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:07 PM

However, when I spent a week in Dillon, Colorado (elev 8500ft), I found they are alive and well on the lake there

Hey now don't short change Dillon, it's every bit of 9,000!



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Posted 29 May 2013 - 11:46 PM

No Halmatics!

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 12:01 AM

Holy crap!  I always thought the boats drawn in the Giles cartoons were caricatures, not documentary illustrations! 

 

Looks a lot different from my home yard.



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 01:37 AM

Boulevard of Broken Dreams



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 07:08 AM

Boulevard of Broken Dreams

 

 

ah....

 

now disagree

 

for man y of the blokes just owning a boat is enough of a dream ... lots of retired blokes who just look after them

 

some of them have done great journeys and they tell me ab out them and are content now to sit in the cockpit and drink tea away from the missus

 

when I started my journey back in 2005 I was in a very small boatyard packed with old wrecks in the corner.

 

I asked the owner why he gives space to these old boats

 

"people still pay me the rent" was his answer

 

"why" I said

 

"because it keeps the dream alive"

 

so I see them as dreams that  are still going - maybe the blokes want no more, maybe they have had the dream and are savouring it.

 

hey..... just realised....I am an optimist

 

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 11:15 AM

Optimism is a good thang....your vids are very enjoyable, Dylan.



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 12:56 PM

Thanks for the optimism Dylan- I agree completely. Sometimes you meet the boat and owner and smell too much booze and broken dreams, but often people are just enjoying the dream and the water and the sun.

 

Of course I'm extreme on these things- I admired Blind Faith and am rooting for Hot Rod, sigh. I spent a lot of happy hours in my childhood cruising on a little twin keel Silhouette in my mind while reading the brochure- an 18 foot boat is plenty big enough for an eleven year old. I can see myself on one of these boats in my dotage.



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 06:47 PM

Bob,

 

I promised you a tour of the boats at the Southern site for the Humber Yawl Club

 

there are a few classics among them

 

I have long wondered how a country that ruled the oceans virtually unopposed for centuries has also consistently produced such ugly boats. They do exist but a truly beautiful British designed boat is a real rarity.



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 07:26 PM



Bob,
 
I promised you a tour of the boats at the Southern site for the Humber Yawl Club
 
there are a few classics among them
 

I have long wondered how a country that ruled the oceans virtually unopposed for centuries has also consistently produced such ugly boats. They do exist but a truly beautiful British designed boat is a real rarity.

 
 
true of any nation I believe

let me remind you of the Macgregor
 
most bog standard boats are ugly
 
although...
 
in my opinion you have to go a long way before you can beat an Essex Smack

best watched at 1080 in full screen by the way rather than in this fuzzy little window



and the broads boats can be lovely




 



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 07:47 PM

Enjoy your videos very much Dylan, thanks :)

 

 

I have long wondered how a country that ruled the oceans virtually unopposed for centuries has also consistently produced such ugly boats. They do exist but a truly beautiful British designed boat is a real rarity.

 

Albert Strange, of the Humber, produced some cracking designs. As did Uffa Fox.

 

How much of the ugly was just "client desires" for something that could handle dreary weather, large tide swings, mud muck, etc and be relatively affordable for the postwar purchaser?



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:05 PM

Enjoy your videos very much Dylan, thanks :)

 

 

I have long wondered how a country that ruled the oceans virtually unopposed for centuries has also consistently produced such ugly boats. They do exist but a truly beautiful British designed boat is a real rarity.

 

Albert Strange, of the Humber, produced some cracking designs. As did Uffa Fox.

 

How much of the ugly was just "client desires" for something that could handle dreary weather, large tide swings, mud muck, etc and be relatively affordable for the postwar purchaser?

 

 

plus women demanding full standing headroom, a bog, a sink and an oven

 

however, even a westerly centaur(which is the classic Britsih classic yacht) can lift up her skirts and shift provided she has enough breeze up the transome

 

and best not to knock  knock twin keels until you have actually sailed a boat with them  or sailed in area where the water completely goes away

 



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:48 PM

1:12 - with the twin daggerboards (next to the small Westerly, no idea which one) - is a British Hunter 20 Sport. Development of the Red Fox. 

 

My guess for the wooden thing at 3:23 would be a Hillyard of some description. 

 

I was wondering what that was (British Hunter 20)?!  Cool looking boat!  Those guys sure do like their twin keel boats!



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:01 PM

1:12 - with the twin daggerboards (next to the small Westerly, no idea which one) - is a British Hunter 20 Sport. Development of the Red Fox. 

 

My guess for the wooden thing at 3:23 would be a Hillyard of some description. 

 

I was wondering what that was (British Hunter 20)?!  Cool looking boat!  Those guys sure do like their twin keel boats!

 


well it does depend on where you sail

 

but along the east coast where we have 20 foot tides then being able to take the ground is pretty important

 

deep keelers I think of as being depth challenged

 

although clearly a lot of the blokes are prepared to take the disadvantages because they love schlepping across the North Sea and up to Scotland

 

 

 

 



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:49 PM

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:08 PM

Lovely videos, Dylan. I have a few, but they jerk all over the place. Tough to watch. I could go to school on yours.



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:20 PM

Lovely videos, Dylan. I have a few, but they jerk all over the place. Tough to watch. I could go to school on yours.

 

 

bless you

 

thanks for noticing

 

I do have a couple of tips that might help

 

use the flip out viewfinder rather than the eye piece

 

 

hold the camera in the middle of your chest

 

wear dark clothes so that you can see the image and not the reflections

 

stand like a gorilla - legs apart - bent at the knees, elbos a bit bent - try to hold something steady in the frame - just concentrate ion the top of the sail of the boat you are filming

 

use the camera on top of folded tripod - it gives you a bigger thing to hold onto and makes the camera a bit heavier

 

never use the zoom - if the thing you are filming is too small in the viefinder then get closer - or film something bigger

 

bungee the camera and tripod to the stern rail - at least then the boat is still in the frame

 

bungee the tripo to a boat hook for some high shots

 

slow the film down to 80 per cent - you suddenly become 20 per cent more steady

 

crank up the contrast and brightness by ten per cent before uploading the film to youtube

 

wind noise is always a problem - so hold the camera down low in the cockpit for two minutes when you film where it will be out of the wind but will record the sound of the boat

 

then move that boat sound over the windy bits

 

film over the bow, film the stern, film the sails, film the penant, film the wash, film ropes moving, film sparkles on the water, don't be afriad to film into the sun, film bouys, passing trees, bits of crud in the water, sailing is about moving

 

if you want to get some low shots of water then using the tripod hold the camera upside down near the water then flip the image in the edit

 

don't use a go pro

 

D



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 10:51 PM

An "Essex smack". I'd like any boat with that name.

 

It would remind me of my mother.

" Come here Robert."

SMACK!



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Posted 30 May 2013 - 11:07 PM

I wonder - is an Essex smack more or less painful than an Manx Nobby? 

 

(This is a real one)

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 11:11 PM

An "Essex smack". I'd like any boat with that name.

 

It would remind me of my mother.

" Come here Robert."

SMACK!

 

 

there is a home for smack boys in Ramsgate

 

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http://www.ramsgateh...php?topic=541.0

 

http://www.flickr.co...N04/3291980897/



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 02:00 AM

....

don't use a go pro

 

D

What type of camera are you using?  It does look great. 



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 02:50 AM

Enjoy your videos very much Dylan, thanks :)

 

 

I have long wondered how a country that ruled the oceans virtually unopposed for centuries has also consistently produced such ugly boats. They do exist but a truly beautiful British designed boat is a real rarity.

 

 

Albert Strange, of the Humber, produced some cracking designs. As did Uffa Fox.

 

How much of the ugly was just "client desires" for something that could handle dreary weather, large tide swings, mud muck, etc and be relatively affordable for the postwar purchaser?

 

 

and best not to knock  knock twin keels until you have actually sailed a boat with them  or sailed in area where the water completely goes away

 

My first boat was a Vivacity 20 twin fin - and it was a well built, slow boat but it was also UGLY.

 

Beastly looking boats can be found everywhere but for some unfathomable reason, for such a successful seafaring nation, the Brits have a virtual monopoly on ugly designs (as opposed to uglified boats that were once decent looking).

 

And I totally disagree about the smacks - they, along with pilot cutters, Itchen ferries and other old working boats, are among the select group of good looking British boats. The true mutts are almost exclusively "yachts".



#37 dylan winter

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 09:10 AM

....

don't use a go pro

 

D

What type of camera are you using?  It does look great. 

 

 

I made a blog about cameras for you

 

it is on the bottom of this page

 

http://www.keepturningleft.co.uk/



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:14 PM

I always find it moving to see places where the sailing spirit triumphs over adversity. They call the River Crouch "The Ditch" but these guys really do sail in one. Best Entrance in the World, indeed.  And the Humber must be very yott-unfriendly.

 

Dylan, many thanks for all your stuff. I have a modest proposal for you that would bring you neither profit nor (further) fame. Could you email me at ed@maggs.com if you have an idle moment?

 

E



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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:29 PM

I always find it moving to see places where the sailing spirit triumphs over adversity. They call the River Crouch "The Ditch" but these guys really do sail in one. Best Entrance in the World, indeed.  And the Humber must be very yott-unfriendly.
 
Dylan, many thanks for all your stuff. I have a modest proposal for you that would bring you neither profit nor (further) fame. Could you email me at ed@maggs.com if you have an idle moment?
 
E

 
 
huh
 
you will have them all burning with curiousity
 
it sounds just my sort of profit free enterprise
 
dylan.winter@virgin.net
 
at the moment for some reason I can read emails but not send them
 
D

ps now I can but feel free anyone else to send me profit free entyerprises




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