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#401 MoMP

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 01:47 AM

All the talk of it having damaged hulls, no soft rig ( I thought the wing produced less load). Ok, maybe not in San Fran, but Diego? Including transport, I don't see a million dollars to sail again. Sorry can't see it.

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 02:49 AM

All the talk of it having damaged hulls, no soft rig ( I thought the wing produced less load). Ok, maybe not in San Fran, but Diego? Including transport, I don't see a million dollars to sail again. Sorry can't see it.

 

Having been around the base in SD I can assure you, the number of people it takes to just get the thing away from the dock is far more than you'd imagine.  There were something like 6 ribs just to get the boat way from the dock.  Then tenders, several of them.  They broke something almost every day they sailed.  Just getting the boat ready to sail would probably take a month, and that is if all the parts are still around.

 

It's very easy for me to see how just the staff cost alone could be $1 million per month.  100 people times 10k/month average - there's your first million.  And I seriously doubt someone like Jimmy is working for 10k per month.



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Posted 27 November 2013 - 03:31 AM

I love the common quote, "it'll cost millions of dollars for her to ever see the water again". Why? Sure it wouldn't be cheap, but a million? Please.......

Even if it would cost millions, I think the funny thing about it is: Yeah...so what? When did dollars and sense (pun intended) come into the equation?  For example, what did it cost to ship DZ and the wing from Valencia Spain to SF, knowing she would never even sail again? Why get pragmatic now? :lol:



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Posted 27 November 2013 - 03:56 AM

I love the common quote, "it'll cost millions of dollars for her to ever see the water again". Why? Sure it wouldn't be cheap, but a million? Please.......

Even if it would cost millions, I think the funny thing about it is: Yeah...so what? When did dollars and sense (pun intended) come into the equation?  For example, what did it cost to ship DZ and the wing from Valencia Spain to SF, knowing she would never even sail again? Why get pragmatic now? :lol:

 

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 03:57 AM

^
Thx. I was beginning to listen to those sensible arguments..

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Posted 27 November 2013 - 04:20 AM

I love the common quote, "it'll cost millions of dollars for her to ever see the water again". Why? Sure it wouldn't be cheap, but a million? Please.......

Even if it would cost millions, I think the funny thing about it is: Yeah...so what? When did dollars and sense (pun intended) come into the equation?  For example, what did it cost to ship DZ and the wing from Valencia Spain to SF, knowing she would never even sail again? Why get pragmatic now? :lol:

 

Apparently he didn't want to dump DZ on Rita like EB dumped his Starsky and Hutch cat on her.



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Posted 27 November 2013 - 04:25 AM

I love the common quote, "it'll cost millions of dollars for her to ever see the water again". Why? Sure it wouldn't be cheap, but a million? Please.......

Even if it would cost millions, I think the funny thing about it is: Yeah...so what? When did dollars and sense (pun intended) come into the equation?  For example, what did it cost to ship DZ and the wing from Valencia Spain to SF, knowing she would never even sail again? Why get pragmatic now? :lol:

Interestingly, Gunthrey's book has a picture of DZ arriving in Valencia, and she's as stripped down as she is now, and completely shrink wrapped.  Wonder why they had to strip so much off (wheels, winches, etc.), as she had the deck of the ship to herself.



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Posted 27 November 2013 - 04:45 AM

All the talk of it having damaged hulls, no soft rig ( I thought the wing produced less load). Ok, maybe not in San Fran, but Diego? Including transport, I don't see a million dollars to sail again. Sorry can't see it.

 

Having been around the base in SD I can assure you, the number of people it takes to just get the thing away from the dock is far more than you'd imagine.  There were something like 6 ribs just to get the boat way from the dock.  Then tenders, several of them.  They broke something almost every day they sailed.  Just getting the boat ready to sail would probably take a month, and that is if all the parts are still around.

 

It's very easy for me to see how just the staff cost alone could be $1 million per month.  100 people times 10k/month average - there's your first million.  And I seriously doubt someone like Jimmy is working for 10k per month.

Gunthrie says the wing alone could take 8 hours to mount on the boat.

And you are certainly right about breaking things daily, one of which was the mast for the soft sail!

After Spithill won the first race, Ellison was sailing DZ back to the shed. He got cocky, and started pushing her up to 25 Knots. Coutts told him, "Larry, your diving isn't going to win us the cup, but it could sure as hell lose it!" Ellison reined her in.

Gotta love it!



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Posted 27 November 2013 - 04:56 AM

 

I love the common quote, "it'll cost millions of dollars for her to ever see the water again". Why? Sure it wouldn't be cheap, but a million? Please.......

Even if it would cost millions, I think the funny thing about it is: Yeah...so what? When did dollars and sense (pun intended) come into the equation?  For example, what did it cost to ship DZ and the wing from Valencia Spain to SF, knowing she would never even sail again? Why get pragmatic now? :lol:

Interestingly, Gunthrey's book has a picture of DZ arriving in Valencia, and she's as stripped down as she is now, and completely shrink wrapped.  Wonder why they had to strip so much off (wheels, winches, etc.), as she had the deck of the ship to herself.

 

Probably easier to dismount and remount items like winches and safely store them rather than totally disassemble and clean them and risk damage from the trip in preparation for the cup.

 

Note the comment about LR - covered in salt upon arrival from the trip.



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Posted 30 December 2013 - 07:57 PM

Anyone have further news on this project?  The round piling forms were still there a week ago.



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 05:07 AM

Change in plans.  Its still comming down to OR HQD but date has been pushed back.

Should be before April 1



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 05:17 PM

Saw a large crane in the lot at oracle yesterday. Anything happening?



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 05:50 PM

Change in plans.  Its still comming down to OR HQD but date has been pushed back.

Should be before April 1

 

They are going to Sail her that day then move to the puddle to keep on display with the wing up less the shrink wrap

 

heard it here first !!!!!!!!!



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 06:15 PM

I also heard Ernie is the guest of honor.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 07:23 PM

Went by Oracle HQ Wed. and Pier 80 today. No activity or changes at either. 



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 07:41 PM

Her soft sail setup mast was quite massive.

 

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:03 PM

Her soft sail setup mast was quite massive.

 

Alt_Dis-Mast---San-Diego-TV-rep.jpg

 

Wow would be Great to watch that Video  :)



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:19 PM


Her soft sail setup mast was quite massive.

 
Wow would be Great to watch that Video  :)


http://www.sail-worl...d=0&tickerCID=0

written article, but video is not available

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:21 PM

There is a video of exactly that, somewhere way-back in the OR list.

Was quickly overshadowed by that first Wing sail on SD Bay!

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 11:20 PM

I went looking way back and found this thread from May 2009:

 

http://forums.sailin...showtopic=89866

 

And in that thread is a link to this youtube channel with some oldie but goodie video's:

 

http://www.youtube.c...er/dogzillabuzz

 

WetHog  :ph34r:



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 11:29 PM

That's Mo Fuzz.

We were both on board a (private) chase boat for this old classic too



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 01:29 AM

That's Mo Fuzz.

We were both on board a (private) chase boat for this old classic too

That boat was so awesome.  As Coutts said "We will never see anything like this in our lifetimes again"



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 08:34 AM

A few more pix from the files.. so long and thanks for all the memories.. 

 

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Posted 23 January 2014 - 09:57 PM

Agreed, epic boat, imagine her foiling...



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:53 PM

Excellent photos, hobs.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:24 AM

The second pic shows her before the top most section of the wing was added.

 

I remember those days being a rollercoaster of emotions.  It started by being gutpunched when they broke their mast but almost immediately, it seemed, being gobsmacked when they put up that wing.  Then they one-upped the outrageous by added the top section.



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:30 AM

Did a drive by of OR HQ today and nothing has changed. 



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 01:57 AM

That topmost section, growing the wing height from about 218' to 234', happened only in VLC, right?

Huge, even in SD! Will never forget that Fox5 live cam of the first wing-sail on the inside of SD Bay.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 02:44 AM

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:19 AM

First photo above: when, where, and who is on the right with hand to jaw?
edit, LR's Sirena? and LR's Bruni to the right of GD? both in ETNZ clothes?

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:25 AM

cheers Dal

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:39 AM

First photo above: when, where, and who is on the right with hand to jaw?
edit, LR's Sirena? and LR's Bruni to the right of GD? both in ETNZ clothes?

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:46 AM

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 05:58 AM

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 07:01 AM

These photos are all a new and unique perspective on a topic I had assumed had been covered pretty much ad nauseum.

Thanks for sharing.

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 03:37 PM

such a phenomenal time!

 

on the USA 17 foiling comment, I can't imagine it. it wouldn't be right. it's meant to be in the water!



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 04:23 PM

Didn't Jimmy once state that the scariest moment was when DZ did lift out of the water briefly?
(What we now call foiling.). I recall it was even during one of the Cup races.

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 05:08 PM

USA 17 was J Class of our time.

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 05:17 PM

USA 17 was J Class of our time.


More like the Reliance of our time.

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 06:15 PM

USA 17 was J Class of our time.


More like the Reliance of our time.

 

Reliance vs Shamrock III



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:39 PM

Re: #437 (Still can't quote!)

You mean DZ came completely out of the water? Hard to imagine on a boat that size, especially given the light air that AC was sailed in.

In any case, foiling and getting air are two completely different things. The first, increases speed, while the later often reduces it.

 

As awesome as DZ was, it amazes me how tame she seems compared to the performance of the AC 72's. Oracle's last rounding of the windward mark in race 19 still gives me shivers! They could have (probably should have) been conservative, but weren't holding anything back.

Anyway, the performance level has risen like a hockey stick since DZ, but she certainly started it! 



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:37 PM

I think DZ probably looked calm specifically because the conditions they raced in were so docile and the boat was just so damn big.  The floats stretched out to something like 120 feet.  



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Posted 05 February 2014 - 11:48 PM

if DZ came out of the water, it was just flying off of a wave, and came back down very soon thereafter.

 

Without foils on the rudders, sustained out of the water sailing was simply not possible.

 

The one day she was out in relatively heavy weather (24kts I think was the max for the day) the pictures show her solidly in the water, but clearly really bombing.

 

 I love this pic:  (though it doesn't look like 24kts of wind to me)

 

BOR USA 17 quick


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 05:04 PM

The one day she was out in relatively heavy weather (24kts I think was the max for the day) the pictures show her solidly in the water, but clearly really bombing.

 

 I love this pic:  (though it doesn't look like 24kts of wind to me)

Yeah...I only dream SF bay could look like that in 24 knots. Not even when it's flooding! 

 

Much earlier in the thread there were discussions about how DZ would get to Oracleville. Some thought she might be floated in via the adjacent lagoon. While I think the consensuses is now that she will be flown in, I took some shots of the lagoon at low tide the other day. I seriously doubt it's deep enough to accommodate her or the tow craft (or much else for that matter).

 

I talked to someone who worked at Oracle for years, and he told me the pond in front of Oracle where DZ will go was originally the entrance for Marine World. I forgot the park was even there!

He said the pond is connected to the bay somehow, and claims he would see big rays in it from his 6th floor office. He had no reason to put me on, but I find this hard to believe. If the connection is big enough for them or whatever they eat, why wouldn't it be tidal? Not that it makes any difference to DZ :) .

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 10:53 PM

The one day she was out in relatively heavy weather (24kts I think was the max for the day) the pictures show her solidly in the water, but clearly really bombing.

 

 I love this pic:  (though it doesn't look like 24kts of wind to me)

Yeah...I only dream SF bay could look like that in 24 knots. Not even when it's flooding! 

 

Much earlier in the thread there were discussions about how DZ would get to Oracleville. Some thought she might be floated in via the adjacent lagoon. While I think the consensuses is now that she will be flown in, I took some shots of the lagoon at low tide the other day. I seriously doubt it's deep enough to accommodate her or the tow craft (or much else for that matter).

 

I talked to someone who worked at Oracle for years, and he told me the pond in front of Oracle where DZ will go was originally the entrance for Marine World. I forgot the park was even there!

He said the pond is connected to the bay somehow, and claims he would see big rays in it from his 6th floor office. He had no reason to put me on, but I find this hard to believe. If the connection is big enough for them or whatever they eat, why wouldn't it be tidal? Not that it makes any difference to DZ :) .

I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but this puddle you are  showing is in fact tidal.  We used to row our shells up to that very shore and then walk them across the street to the racecourse which if you look a google maps, is the long 2km slot of water with the diamond shape 2/3rds of the way up across the street from OR HQ.

 

Anyway,  there isn't a lot of draft at high tide, but plenty for DZ with the boards up.  Our coaches launches drove in without problems.  But we definitely looked at the tide tables.

 

My concern would be more for the width as you go down the slough with DZ's 90' but I do think it would fit.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 01:10 AM

Sorry finnfart

No way would DG fit in any of those slews without hitting dirt.

Its been surveyed and dismissed.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 05:56 AM

These photos are all a new and unique perspective on a topic I had assumed had been covered pretty much ad nauseum.

Thanks for sharing.

You are welcome... lots more.. 



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 06:13 PM

Sorry finnfart

No way would DG fit in any of those slews without hitting dirt.

Its been surveyed and dismissed.

 

Not sure what the surveyor saw, and yes, in the intervening 30 years, mud levels could have changed, but if a 20ft Boston whaler coaching launch can handle the draft, and we could row it without being tentative, I'm pretty sure DZ could do it with the boards up.  Amas are essentially out of the water.

 

But width?  Quien Sabe.  I really think so.   An 8 man shell is 67feet long and we never felt overly constrained and a rowing lane is usually 45 feet wide, and again, it much wider than that so qualitatively, 90' seems within jockeying distance.

 

That being said, I can see why they would be taking no chances, and being conservative with their survey.   But physically having been up this (s***t) creek with a paddle, I can attest that it isn't farfetched -- at high tide.  But to a surveyor looking ad data at a desk, I can see how it would be daunting.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 06:18 PM

^
You might enter the marina - but can you make it to the dock?

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 11:25 PM

Sorry finnfart

No way would DG fit in any of those slews without hitting dirt.

Its been surveyed and dismissed.

 

Not sure what the surveyor saw, and yes, in the intervening 30 years, mud levels could have changed, but if a 20ft Boston whaler coaching launch can handle the draft, and we could row it without being tentative, I'm pretty sure DZ could do it with the boards up.  Amas are essentially out of the water.

 

But width?  Quien Sabe.  I really think so.   An 8 man shell is 67feet long and we never felt overly constrained and a rowing lane is usually 45 feet wide, and again, it much wider than that so qualitatively, 90' seems within jockeying distance.

 

That being said, I can see why they would be taking no chances, and being conservative with their survey.   But physically having been up this (s***t) creek with a paddle, I can attest that it isn't farfetched -- at high tide.  But to a surveyor looking ad data at a desk, I can see how it would be daunting.

Sorry folks...didn't mean to fire up this debate again. In fact, when I took the  shots, I thought they would surely put it to rest for good. WRONG! :lol: 

BTW, you can bet that estuary has filled in in 30 years without dredging. My ex marina has lost 3 feet in less than 15 years (hence..."ex"). 

 

I noticed a buoy with what looks like pump hoses in the second shot (Post 444). Wonder if that is the supply or discharge for the Oracle pond?  if it's supply, it better sure as hell have a float switch! Maybe the buoy is the float.

Or maybe... that's were Larry intends to moor DZ! 



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Posted 08 February 2014 - 01:48 AM

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You might enter the marina - but can you make it to the dock?

Nope.

 

You get out of your boat and step into the muck.   Which by the way is a nice suspension of broken shells in pudding-like mud.   Just firm enough to hold the shells firmly enough scratch your legs up.   We only did it twice because someone got an infection from one of those cuts.  After that we graduated to a trailer for the boats.

 

And L124C...  no debate from here.  I can see why they wouldn't want to chance it.   I don't think anybody who hasn't actually been on that strip of water at high tide would ever think it possible.  Especially if you were handling a billionaire's sailboat.  It is just a strange coincidence that I'm one of very few that have actually done it.

 

Besides... don't you think the heli will make a nice publicity event?

 

My only suggestion is that it probably is possible, and if it was being done on my budget, I know how I would try to do it.  But we're not.  If I was doing it for them on their budget, I'd fly it in too... with a huge fanfare to boot.



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Posted 08 February 2014 - 02:11 AM

I've done some exploring in the sloughs too - it's more fun and interesting than it looks. Apparently, much of the bay used to look like this - before civilization filled it in.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 04:28 PM

Well heck, with recent rains and perfect timing and with a super high tide, I think they may have just missed one possible window of opportunity to make a move by water. (I've sailed a fair amount around the shores and sloughs of Redwood City. I'm not sure it's pratical to tow her by water but i do have a suspicion it's possible. Yet, I also think there is still some debate or at least a discussion somewhere about what her destination is ... or else someone by now would have just said ... "Git 'er done!!"

 

But I'm really conflicted about this. I never got to see her sailing. I did get a quick tour of the oracle compound last year and was stunned to see the "Mutha Wing" stretching inside for almost a hundred yards. I'm secretly praying that the last 3 months of debate here will have helped to delay the move. Or in those oddly fortuitous ways that gummint sometimes works, maybe the Redwood City fathers have delayed it just long enough for us to convince ourselves that we at SA should pay for an engineering study on how it could be somehow floated to the dock. I'm not ready to throw any funding into it myself but a few here should maybe (hint) conspire to design a way that the "float plan" will have ongoing delays and studies and more delays and more studies ... until May ... when we can all convince Larry that he should somehow step the wing and do at least a couple of charters for fund raising and all that good stuff. What better way to raise peoples awareness of sailing ... and maybe take a young cancer patient out on the bay (like the Batboy) for the thrill of a lifetime?

 

Yeah, I know it's pointless to think about. But that doesn't make it any less fun to talk about. There must be some way that Hollywood and Oracle and Disney and Larry can agree on how to best use DZ in the making of the best, most inspiring, beautiful and graceful Americas Cup sailing ... and while also watching "DZ herself make a comeback". I'll bet someone, somewhere, somehow is writing the screenplay right now. (maybe that's why Larry has already delayed the move?)

 

Certainly there are plenty of folks that would volunteer time and skills to make it happen. Anyway, this thread has always made my heart skip a beat whenever I see someone has posted ... but it's going to be put to bed soon I guess. RIP DZ I suppose? Redwood City seems an unfit place for her to be decommissioned. If nothing else, a permanent structure should be built closer to the central bay to protect her from the elements. What would it cost to design and erect a 5/8 geodesic dome in Alameda about 400 foot in diameter with open sides or mostly clear bottom panels? (so that she can be seen from all angles at ground level) Maybe the fragile wing could be supported somewhat by the inside of the top of the dome itself. I'm guessing there is ample talent right here on SA to make this happen. Anybody?



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:30 AM

DZ Should be enclosed (in Glass) as part of any DAGO Convention Center Expansion

 

Putting her Right Back Next to Joe's Crab Shack & in front of the FOX-5 Kam where She Came of Age  B)



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 07:15 PM

Anyone have updates? Didn't someone say DZ would probably head South in April?

If anyone gets lead info, please post it here. I'd love to get shots of the flight. I doubt Oracle will do a press release. 

I may contact one of the businesses across from Pier 80 and ask if they will contact me if they notice activity.

Ideas, thoughts?



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 08:03 PM

Am beginning to wonder if DZ might just stay in place at P80 until after a Protocol has been agreed with HIYC.

That's a touch tongue-in-cheek but PJM actually remarked in the audio that I posted elsewhere something like "Discussions have been less than cordial and I've even heard the rumor they've threatened a DoG Match if they can't agree alternatives."

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 08:07 PM

Am beginning to wonder if DZ might just stay in place at P80 until after a Protocol has been agreed with HIYC.

That's a touch tongue-in-cheek but PJM actually remarked in the audio that I posted elsewhere something like "I've even heard the rumor they've threatened a DoG Match if they can't agree alternatives."

Even if true, why would you bother with DZ? An AC 72 would probably faster in all conditions except extremely light air.



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 08:29 PM

Threatened a DOG match?

 

Reminds me of Monty python knight who has no arms or legs but threatens to win by biting.

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Posted 11 March 2014 - 08:33 PM

True^, and ^^ :)

 

And besides, being a report from Herbieville there's likely nothing at all solid behind all that hot air anyway!



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 10:15 PM

Anyone have updates? Didn't someone say DZ would probably head South in April?

If anyone gets lead info, please post it here. I'd love to get shots of the flight. I doubt Oracle will do a press release. 

I may contact one of the businesses across from Pier 80 and ask if they will contact me if they notice activity.

Ideas, thoughts?

I may have been the one to say that.  My referrence was to April 1st  :)

Btw the pipeline has gone dead with my resources.



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Posted 12 March 2014 - 05:21 AM

I'll be at the lagoon for a rowing race my sons are in this weekend so I'll let you guys know if anything is going on.

 

And no,  I won't be rowing in through the slough!



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 08:54 PM

Am beginning to wonder if DZ might just stay in place at P80 until after a Protocol has been agreed with HIYC.

That's a touch tongue-in-cheek but PJM actually remarked in the audio that I posted elsewhere something like "Discussions have been less than cordial and I've even heard the rumor they've threatened a DoG Match if they can't agree alternatives."

 

One way to insure your team gets to the Cup Match.



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Posted 13 March 2014 - 09:37 PM



Am beginning to wonder if DZ might just stay in place at P80 until after a Protocol has been agreed with HIYC.

That's a touch tongue-in-cheek but PJM actually remarked in the audio that I posted elsewhere something like "Discussions have been less than cordial and I've even heard the rumor they've threatened a DoG Match if they can't agree alternatives."

 
One way to insure your team gets to the Cup Match.
I had assumed PJM was on about GGYC making that threat (while ready assured a Cup Match regardless) but I guess it could easily have been HIYC he was waffling on about - it's hard to tell at times.

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 12:55 AM

So, the latest... Nothing.  Picture attached.  Pads there, but nothing going.  Algae has formed from the time since they were installed, but nothing on top.

 

The important stuff...

 

Varsity heavyweight 8 results:  3 wins and one loss.   Loss was by 10 seconds with the stern pair not rowing the last 350 meters as the stroke oarlock broke open and released the oar.   As an oarsman, I say operator error.  As father of one of the oarsmen... I say they could have won if they had had all 8 rowing.

 

I'm biased.

 

You can call me the MSP of junior rowing.

 

http://forums.sailin...lery&image=4465



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Posted 18 March 2014 - 01:42 AM

So, the latest... Nothing.  Picture attached.  Pads there, but nothing going.  Algae has formed from the time since they were installed, but nothing on top.
 
The important stuff...
 
Varsity heavyweight 8 results:  3 wins and one loss.   Loss was by 10 seconds with the stern pair not rowing the last 350 meters as the stroke oarlock broke open and released the oar.   As an oarsman, I say operator error.  As father of one of the oarsmen... I say they could have won if they had had all 8 rowing.
 
I'm biased.
 
You can call me the MSP of junior rowing.
 
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If you want to be the MSP of rowing you need to threaten to sue the oar lock manufacturer the sliding seat manufacturer, the state of California, the oar company, the royal Henley for inventing the sport.

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 11:45 AM

AND WRITE IN CAPITALS FOR YOUR FIRST FEW HUNDRED POSTS

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 02:07 PM

You mean like this, faking broken english as well?;

 

"THIS IS FIRST WARNING TO ALINGHI/UBS AND SPAIN--- SURRENDER THE AMERICA'S CUP NOW-- NO SURRENDER THEN MAHGUAH SHOW NO MERCY-- MAHGUAH SAY THIS FIRST-- LAST-- ONLY WARNING-- SURRENDER AMERICA'S CUP--MAHGUAH GIVE YOU ONLY 24 HOURS TO COMPLY."

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Posted 18 March 2014 - 07:02 PM

You mean like this, faking broken english as well?;

 

"THIS IS FIRST WARNING TO ALINGHI/UBS AND SPAIN--- SURRENDER THE AMERICA'S CUP NOW-- NO SURRENDER THEN MAHGUAH SHOW NO MERCY-- MAHGUAH SAY THIS FIRST-- LAST-- ONLY WARNING-- SURRENDER AMERICA'S CUP--MAHGUAH GIVE YOU ONLY 24 HOURS TO COMPLY."

 

That worked out well for MSP



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Posted 22 April 2014 - 05:52 PM

This article is a touch flakey but could suggest DZ activity
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Morrelli displayed an enormous trimaran at the dock for the show. Its since been hoisted out of the water and transported to ORACLE headquarters in Redwood City.
http://www.examiner....ood-arts-crafts

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 06:31 PM

nice article by KL
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Future Sailing Wind Assisted Ferries
By Kimball Livingston Posted April 21, 2014
Eventually, someone is going to get wind assisted transport right.
http://www.blueplane...sisted-ferries/

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Posted 22 April 2014 - 08:12 PM

This article is a touch flakey but could suggest DZ activity
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Morrelli displayed an enormous trimaran at the dock for the show. Its since been hoisted out of the water and transported to ORACLE headquarters in Redwood City.
http://www.examiner....ood-arts-crafts

Boy!...You're not kidding about flaky (and most of the pictures look like they came from Facebook). But then, the Examiner often gets out of their depth when they get nautical. Like the recent article regarding the Redwood City beer can accident, where they referred to a Catalina 42 as a "Catamaran". 

Anyway, I assume the trimaran she is referring to is the one in the picture, not DZ. Wonder what it's doing in Oracleville.

 

d519271bfdcd36694d15c489523bec1a.jpg?ito



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Posted 22 April 2014 - 10:04 PM

Bingo - Thanks :)

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Posted Yesterday, 04:18 AM

This article is a touch flakey but could suggest DZ activity
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Morrelli displayed an enormous trimaran at the dock for the show. Its since been hoisted out of the water and transported to ORACLE headquarters in Redwood City.
http://www.examiner....ood-arts-crafts

Boy!...You're not kidding about flaky (and most of the pictures look like they came from Facebook). But then, the Examiner often gets out of their depth when they get nautical. Like the recent article regarding the Redwood City beer can accident, where they referred to a Catalina 42 as a "Catamaran". 

Anyway, I assume the trimaran she is referring to is the one in the picture, not DZ. Wonder what it's doing in Oracleville.

 

d519271bfdcd36694d15c489523bec1a.jpg?ito

John S "Tritium aka Lending Club" http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Q3WTgLJSWNg its for sale

http://www.morrellim...tium/index.html

 

Come to think of it, was there any AC or team presence  at the show other than ETNZ by Gino?






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