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#1 full circle

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:21 PM

with yesterday being the first of three starts this will be cool to watch...from my computer.

 

cheering on a number of boats with friends onboard.

 

dorade

meanie

bad pak

medicine man

 

good luck to everyone.

 

yellowbrick tracking here on the website.

http://www.transpacyc.com/

 



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 05:39 PM

The early starters may find they have an advantage weather-wise. We may get some weird weather through here on Thursday morning as the strange weather across the west continues.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:03 PM

The early starters may find they have an advantage weather-wise. We may get some weird weather through here on Thursday morning as the strange weather across the west continues.

 

 

yes, it seems they are already out there quite well. even with a six hour delay on the positions, they seem to be ripping.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

200+ mile days for many of them. We will have to see if the southerly track they seem to be favoring works out for them.



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:34 PM

Really happy to see the Bells out in front of their division so far on Westward.  The old wooden L-50 still has legs, doing 8.5 knots at the last update!

Go Westward!



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:44 PM

Really happy to see the Bells out in front of their division so far on Westward.  The old wooden L-50 still has legs, doing 8.5 knots at the last update!

Go Westward!

 

 

no kidding. i have not checked the ratings, but how does the L-50 stack up against dorade? who owes who time?



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 02:54 AM

looks like a road block ahead south but do you just hang through it because what is on the other side? looks like a big move to go up and around...I think the good Dr. tried that last time and folded long before the finish



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:16 PM

with the second group of starters going tomorrow, and the yellowbrick tracker behind by six hours, the first group has really gotten down the course. they have to be 1/3 of the way to the finish, and it looks like they will be into bigger breezes in a couple of days.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 03:28 PM

Westward, Sleeper, and Dorade all appear to be having one hell of a race with only 5 ~ 6 miles between them at last check. 



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:30 PM

Westward, Sleeper, and Dorade all appear to be having one hell of a race with only 5 ~ 6 miles between them at last check. 

 

7-10 day distance races where your competition remains in view remains my favorite type of racing. Having boats with wildly different ratings in the same class...not so much.



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 07:55 PM

Go sleeper!

Im all for my sistership!



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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:04 PM

notes from a couple of the boats sent to R/C

copied and pasted from the tpyc website.

 

 

 

TP2013Results S10.txt

Weather Notes at 0600PDT:

Westward: Cloudy, seas NW at 4 ft, NW at 18 knots, 1017 millibars

Sleeper: Sea is 1-3ft swell, Sky is Overcast,TWD 320 M13 kts Pressure 29 mba

StumppyJ cloudy wind S @10 seas calm

From Between the Sheets "Comments: what did you do with our Moon?

Really, really dark last night"



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:27 AM

For all of the boats that did not get a fresh water rinse yesterday after sailing...The skies just opened up and there is plenty of fresh water rinsing off the race boats in Rainbow harbor this morning. A steady line of rain and possibly some thunderstorms is making its way up from Baja this morning. Should be an interesting forecast for the Thursday starters...



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 12:57 PM

Am I missing something or has the DTF  been turned off on the tracker? 



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 04:00 PM

Am I missing something or has the DTF  been turned off on the tracker? 

 

 

i am not seeing it either. hopefull it gets turned on and updated, as i like to see how close everyone is to one another. i am going to check the daily positions/standings for dtf.



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 04:44 PM

standings as of 7/11/13. sleeper, westward and dorade are c l o s e.

 

DIV8:

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3 AQUARIUS 30-18 124-33 1869 172:21:13 8 14 6.6 141 5.9

6 BTWN THE SHEET 29-25 127-28 1711 112:53:23 4 4 9.1 196 8.2

15 DORADE 30-27 127-18 1731 101:37:49 2 2 8.8 194 8.1

31 MANATEA 29-11 128-39 1648 121:30:37 5 7 10.0 221 9.2

49 SLEEPER 30-49 127-24 1730 99:38:19 1 1 8.8 190 7.9

50 ST VITUS' DANC 30-51 126-00 1801 124:08:37 6 10 7.7 164 6.9

51 STUMPPYJ 29-19 125-46 1798 128:49:28 7 13 7.7 171 7.1

57 WESTWARD 30-22 127-19 1729 107:28:25 3 3 8.8 190 7.9



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:02 PM

i'm just putting it out there, but i think there is a chance that manatea can get the barn door. they should be half way in about two days, which puts them around six days of sailing. the fastest boats don't start for two more days, and six days will be tough for them to get there in. on top of that, manatea should continue to get into better breeze.



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:21 PM

Barn door is for best elapsed time, not first to finish.



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:34 PM

Barn door is for best elapsed time, not first to finish.

 

 

 

oh.



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 05:57 PM

Re: barn door - that Maserati boat seems fierce.   question is - are their phasers set to stun or kill?  

 

Div. 8 has a really nice race going.  They must be having the time of their lives out there.   Dorade is covering Westward like ugly on an ape while Sleeper seems to be trying to find a bit more breeze.   It's been a fun race to follow on the tracker.  



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Posted 11 July 2013 - 07:06 PM

DTF is back on.  Glitch?

 

Chris Doolittle is on Manatea.  Might not be any Mai Tai's left by the time the big boats roll in!



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:48 AM

I asked in the Ocean Racing thread, but no one answered, so I'll ask again here.  Can anyone direct me to the ratings for the boats.  They seem to be very well hidden which seems strange to me.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:16 AM

www.transpacyc.com/docs/2013racedocs/divs_ratings_final.pdf

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:40 AM

www.transpacyc.com/docs/2013racedocs/divs_ratings_final.pdf

Thank you very much for that.  Interesting that the Gunboat 66 is level rating with Ragamuffin and both are giving time to an ORMA 73.

 

Should be fun to watch.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:33 AM

Doesn't look like the first class is going to be caught anytime soon.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 01:34 PM

Man that second start looked like a hate mission last night!



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:16 PM

Still 5 nm E of SB Island at 0300 the first night.  FUGLY



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:39 PM

How often does the position update on Yellow Brick? (I know it is 6 hours delayed)



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 02:57 PM

Mark, they interrogate hourly, (you can tell when the transponder lights start blinking), no once the delay is met, it's an hourly update.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:42 PM

Ha, wonder if the Criminal are bummed they have to go North of San Nic.  Can't remember anyone having to do that.  Funny there is only 1 thing in the way on the whole course other than Catalina and it comes into play.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:56 PM



Stormvogel 1965 Transpac shot by Doug Peterson. A bit of history to go with it.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:59 PM



Dorado prep for the race

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:54 AM

Any word on why Meanie is so far back behind the pack?

 

Bad transponder?



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 03:46 AM

Any word on why Meanie is so far back behind the pack?

 

Bad transponder?

looking at the tracker replay, they totally stopped moving at midnight saturday. 



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:29 AM

Any word on why Meanie is so far back behind the pack?

 

Bad transponder?

looking at the tracker replay, they totally stopped moving at midnight saturday. 

 

this was posted on FB about an hour ago - 

 

"Hello Transpac Race fans! We have been working on gettingThe Meanie's tracker back online to no avail. It's been inoperable since midnight yesterday. We'll continue to work on it." 

 

standings on corrected time for all divisions are posted here: 

 

http://transpacyc.co...Results_s14.pdf



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:38 AM

Wow, from the link in the last post:

Ahoy the fleet - beware of floating debris.
Between the Sheets reported a 35' tree trunk floating 100 yards off her port
bow at approximately 28-18N 134-59W.
Also - Manatea struck a 10' section of what probably was a telephone pole at
28-35N 138-54. Manatea and crew are ok and sailing. Manatea also reported misc.
floating lumber, "like structure of house".

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:52 AM

indeed this is really spooky stuff!   I think retrofitting flotation chambers and/or adding foam is going to be a bigger topic in years to come for transpac & vic maui racers.   it sounds kinda nasty out there.  



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 03:25 PM

Sleep with your feet forward! 



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:35 PM

a little video of Team Maserati hauling ass.  big smiles - 

 

http://www.youtube.c...eature=youtu.be



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:25 PM

Definitely rewarding seeing the forecast produced six days ago coming to fruition. Many thanks to all of the teams that used WxRouting for weather support. If things develop the way we think they will it will be a rip roaring finish over the last four hundred or so miles. Fingers crossed that it all works out the way we thought it would.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:36 PM

Why is sleeper so far north???



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:44 PM

From Transpac FB:

 

"*BREAKING NEWS* Phaedo dismasted on day 3 of Transpac 2013

At 1830 UTC (1130 PST) Phaedo dismasted in location 28 58.247N 130 09.576W.

Everyone onboard is fine, we have secured the boat, cutting away the mast and section of the boom, and are now heading towards the LA area under engine.

At the time of the dismasting we were sailing under A4 at around 16kts.
"



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:49 PM

From Transpac FB:

 

"*BREAKING NEWS* Phaedo dismasted on day 3 of Transpac 2013

At 1830 UTC (1130 PST) Phaedo dismasted in location 28 58.247N 130 09.576W.

Everyone onboard is fine, we have secured the boat, cutting away the mast and section of the boom, and are now heading towards the LA area under engine.

At the time of the dismasting we were sailing under A4 at around 16kts."

Where did you get the news from.  That really sucks, there is nothing on the TPYC site.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:52 PM

Came from the Transpac Facebook page.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:53 PM

From Transpac FB:

 

"*BREAKING NEWS* Phaedo dismasted on day 3 of Transpac 2013

At 1830 UTC (1130 PST) Phaedo dismasted in location 28 58.247N 130 09.576W.

Everyone onboard is fine, we have secured the boat, cutting away the mast and section of the boom, and are now heading towards the LA area under engine.

At the time of the dismasting we were sailing under A4 at around 16kts."

Where did you get the news from.  That really sucks, there is nothing on the TPYC site.

 

 

it's on the FB page here - https://www.facebook.com/TranspacRace



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 08:55 PM

Dang!

 

From Pt fermin on Saturday, I pointed to the Gunboat and said to my wife, "That's the boat you wanna be on: fast and comfortable". 

 

Glad everyone is OK.



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 04:40 PM

Definitely rewarding seeing the forecast produced six days ago coming to fruition. Many thanks to all of the teams that used WxRouting for weather support. If things develop the way we think they will it will be a rip roaring finish over the last four hundred or so miles. Fingers crossed that it all works out the way we thought it would.

 

Mark, what do you think about the northerly track that Lending Club is taking??  It seems to me that even while Jibing downwind they should stay closer to the rhumb line, or is there a slight shift to the South expected?



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 05:02 PM

What a boat Dorade continues to be going on 85 years old. First in class.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 05:10 PM

Oxley is on board. They're going for a record and there's nobody to cover. Probably the right investment with that in mind. They just gybed.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 10:29 PM

So far the forecast is spot on. Those who made the choice to dive south early are now paying the price as the ridge is expanding and running over the boats that chose not to dig hard west early on. The time is quickly arriving though for boats to dig south (Late tonight) and hook into a developing wave moving WNW (Currently located to the ESE of Hawaii). Those who miss this opportunity will have de-leveraged themselves as the breeze east of the islands will back to the left significantly on Friday and into Saturday with increasing pressure for those South of 22.75N. Quite the chess match going on out there. Great reporting by the folks involved with the race is making this one of the best spectator Transpacs I can recall. Well done.



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Posted 17 July 2013 - 10:33 PM

Definitely rewarding seeing the forecast produced six days ago coming to fruition. Many thanks to all of the teams that used WxRouting for weather support. If things develop the way we think they will it will be a rip roaring finish over the last four hundred or so miles. Fingers crossed that it all works out the way we thought it would.

 

Mark, what do you think about the northerly track that Lending Club is taking??  It seems to me that even while Jibing downwind they should stay closer to the rhumb line, or is there a slight shift to the South expected?

 

You really have to just trust your navigator and the Grib files and your computer prognostications. My advice to the boats that I was routing was to get West and do it fast because come mid day Wednesday a ridge builds in from the East and shuts down the folks who try dig south and not avoid the bubble.

 

Starting tonight though if I were one of the boats that listened to the forecast and got West, it is time to start digging south to take advantage of a tropical wave that should make itself evident by mid day Friday and bend the winds on the south side of the course significantly left with increasing pressure for those far enough south to take advantage of it....



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 01:40 AM

Judging by the track left by Med Man, I reckon Real Estate Broker will be out of a nav job shortly!

 

DryArmour, now that the race is full on, who did you supply routing for?  Can only be good to advertise!



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 12:14 PM

Judging by the track left by Med Man, I reckon Real Estate Broker will be out of a nav job shortly!

 

DryArmour, now that the race is full on, who did you supply routing for?  Can only be good to advertise!

 

Vee-  I always need to ask those who purchased the routing if it is okay to name names. I know several boats bought Commanders but then in the days coming up to their start also hired WxRouting (me) as another source.  I will say that the boats that followed my advice are looking REALLY* good right now and those that chose to put the advice on ignore are probably not very happy with their standing in the race.

 

If the surface feature to the ESE of the Big Island develops and can hold itself together then the boats that are digging south now to hook into it will look really good on final approach.  It is possible though that the strong subtropical jet will inhibit further development and the full effects (Wind shift to NE and + pressure) will be too far south to really take advantage of. We'll see...



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 03:05 PM

Mark, my understanding is competitors are allowed to access public websites and weather available to all during the Transpac.  Most competitors don't know which boats are using your pre-race weather advice and which aren't.  Does it seem like you saying things like "those that followed my advice are looking REALLY* good right now" and then "If the surface feature to the ESE of the Big Island develops and can hold itself together then the boats that are digging south now to hook into it will look really good on final approach" is bordering on outside assistance?

 

I know you are very good at what you do and self promotion on this website is good business, but when do you think it gets into outside assistance? 

 

I would imagine individuals wouldn't like Commanders to give three possible strategies in their report and then midway through the race post, "Looks like Plan B is playing out nicely for the next few days" on some public site. 



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Posted 18 July 2013 - 05:34 PM

JAG...Interesting perspective. My suspicion is that the amount of bandwidth necessary to get onto Sailing Anarchy's forums would make accessing the site from the race course prohibitive. Can anyone comment on whether there is access by the racers that wouldn't take FOREVER to load?



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Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:49 PM

looking at the current standings, it shows dorade is first in class 8 and first overall thus far. however, looking at the six hour delayed tracker it shows manatea leading class 8. any information on which is correct?

 

bummer about phaedo.

bummer about tritium not making the record.

bummer about all the debris boats are bumping into.



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Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:10 PM

Manatea finishing now...

 

http://www.seehawaii...i-luxury-hotels



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Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:54 PM

Mark, my understanding is competitors are allowed to access public websites and weather available to all during the Transpac.  Most competitors don't know which boats are using your pre-race weather advice and which aren't.  Does it seem like you saying things like "those that followed my advice are looking REALLY* good right now" and then "If the surface feature to the ESE of the Big Island develops and can hold itself together then the boats that are digging south now to hook into it will look really good on final approach" is bordering on outside assistance?

 

I know you are very good at what you do and self promotion on this website is good business, but when do you think it gets into outside assistance? 

 

I would imagine individuals wouldn't like Commanders to give three possible strategies in their report and then midway through the race post, "Looks like Plan B is playing out nicely for the next few days" on some public site. 

 

Jeff,

 

TP NOR 14.3 modifies RRS 41.  Further, the wording was likely drafted by someone sweet (figure it out).  The bottom line is that accessing this pour excuse for factual information of a blog would not constitute outside assistance.

 

Regarding band width and satellite phones; if you go directly to forums and don't log in, which eliminates most pictures, the data stream is light.



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Posted 20 July 2013 - 06:05 PM

A burst of convection that has been long forecast for today by the reliable extended models SE of the Big Island of Hawaii is trying very hard to get something going.  The air surrounding the convective burst is dry and quite stable so while there is quite an explosion going on at the moment the shear in the area is going to make this system struggle to ramp up. Look for light-ish winds across the islands and an increase in the moisture field at the surface for hot and muggy conditions through Monday. Not a typical final run for the boats



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Posted 20 July 2013 - 06:07 PM

Mark, my understanding is competitors are allowed to access public websites and weather available to all during the Transpac.  Most competitors don't know which boats are using your pre-race weather advice and which aren't.  Does it seem like you saying things like "those that followed my advice are looking REALLY* good right now" and then "If the surface feature to the ESE of the Big Island develops and can hold itself together then the boats that are digging south now to hook into it will look really good on final approach" is bordering on outside assistance?

 

I know you are very good at what you do and self promotion on this website is good business, but when do you think it gets into outside assistance? 

 

I would imagine individuals wouldn't like Commanders to give three possible strategies in their report and then midway through the race post, "Looks like Plan B is playing out nicely for the next few days" on some public site. 

 

Jeff,

 

TP NOR 14.3 modifies RRS 41.  Further, the wording was likely drafted by someone sweet (figure it out).  The bottom line is that accessing this pour excuse for factual information of a blog would not constitute outside assistance.

 

Regarding band width and satellite phones; if you go directly to forums and don't log in, which eliminates most pictures, the data stream is light.

Timmy- Thank you for the clarification on rules and also on how reasonable it would be to access the forums by SAT PHONE.



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Posted 21 July 2013 - 05:52 PM

So Dorade is presently first on corrected time... Awesome!!!



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Posted 22 July 2013 - 02:58 AM

Timmy, that NOR referenced is exactly why I mentioned this to Mark-- specificly the second sentence. I don't think Mark meant any harm. But, being a commercial weather service with paid clients in the race, those competitors are banned from receiving input during the race. See my point?

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:19 AM

So Dorade is presently first on corrected time... Awesome!!!

With other boats still racing who could correct out ahead...  I'd love to see Dorade win, but let's not count chickens...

 

I'm rooting for Pyewacket to move up to 2nd...  (but not to first)



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Posted 22 July 2013 - 02:45 PM

So Dorade is presently first on corrected time... Awesome!!!

With other boats still racing who could correct out ahead...  I'd love to see Dorade win, but let's not count chickens...

 

I'm rooting for Pyewacket to move up to 2nd...  (but not to first)

Pye finished at 0141 and needed to beat the ETA by make up almost 5 hours over the last 20 hours. Really hard to do to beat an ETA by more than 25%.

 

I'm too lazy to work out the numbers exactly for elapsed and TCF.  Sometime in the next few hours, TPYC will update the site with today' standings. Wouldn't be hard for TPYC to go "Hobart Style" and put elapsed time and corrected time on the ETA/Arrivals report.  



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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:12 PM

Pyewacket had superior boat speed almost the entire race.  Not necessarily m ore pressure mind you but their pace through the water was better than anyone else in their class. There is NO SUBSTITUTE for better boat speed when the course and tactics are similar.

Mr. Haines...that's a very nice ROLEX ;-).



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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:23 PM

Timmy, that NOR referenced is exactly why I mentioned this to Mark-- specificly the second sentence. I don't think Mark meant any harm. But, being a commercial weather service with paid clients in the race, those competitors are banned from receiving input during the race. See my point?

 

Yes; however, as a student of NOR's, I know you can appreciate how difficult they are to draft.  It takes an artful hand to cover all the bases without making them read like a contract for a multi-million dollar transaction (although lately, lawyers representing the heirs of the foolish and the unlucky are making that more difficult).  At first read, 14.3 might seems a little simplistic considering the sophistication of the audience.  Read it again.  The author is the best qualified person we know, and considering the complexity of the issue, I think he has done a brilliant job.  It would appear that it was crafted around two premises; (1) that cheaters are always going to try and find a way to cheat (by the way, how is he doing these days) but in trying to keep them from cheating, detailed rules tend to inadvertently catch innocent parties; and (2) if anyone can find the data on the internet using a standard web browser and you don't have to compensate someone to access that data, you are not violating the intent of the rule.

 

With regard to DA's post; if cheaters would be willing to go to all the trouble of having DA send them weather routing information using this blog as the transmission vehicle, if seems likely that they could easily justify having DA simply send them an e-mail with the same information.  Hardly anyone knows about the NSA, TPYC connection.



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Posted 22 July 2013 - 06:01 PM

Looks like the final 1-2 will be Dorade-Pyewacket.  Cool.



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:34 AM

I find it very interesting that there has been no mention anywhere that Ragamuffin has broken Morning Glory's monohull record.  I know they didn't break Alfa's record in the "unlimited" class.  But no word of the Barn Door or record in any article I have seen so far.  Is this because it is not a US boat?

 

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:55 AM

I find it very interesting that there has been no mention anywhere that Ragamuffin has broken Morning Glory's monohull record.  I know they didn't break Alfa's record in the "unlimited" class.  But no word of the Barn Door or record in any article I have seen so far.  Is this because it is not a US boat?

 

DISCLAIMER - I am not an Aussie, but I do have a mate on board.

 


Well there was this...



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Posted 23 July 2013 - 03:10 AM

I find it very interesting that there has been no mention anywhere that Ragamuffin has broken Morning Glory's monohull record.  I know they didn't break Alfa's record in the "unlimited" class.  But no word of the Barn Door or record in any article I have seen so far.  Is this because it is not a US boat?

 

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Well there was this...

OK thanks for that I missed it.



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Posted 24 July 2013 - 02:45 PM

So Mark, what do you think of the upcoming weather pattern for those bringing boats back to the West Coast after Transpac?    The High looks awfully far north to me.



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Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:36 PM

tuesday morning was a tough time to finish watched 2 boats hit light shifty winds and adverse current off DH, made the surf good

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:55 PM

NY Times article on Dorade win.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/26/sports/77-years-later-yacht-repeats-win-in-transpacific-race.html?ref=sports 



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 03:44 PM

Most hilariously insane Transpac story...ever.

 

MUTINY AT DAWN



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 04:24 PM

Oops. I think we just crashed SN.

 

Sorry fellas.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:15 PM

Most hilariously insane Transpac story...ever.

 

MUTINY AT DAWN

 

Holy shit... Hopefully "Jake" follows through with that vid footage! What a mess! 



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 05:18 PM

No kidding murph. I can't wait to see this stuff. Freakin' EPIC!



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 06:03 PM

Aquarius?

 

See Final Standings:  http://tinyurl.com/kgqzeuc     Division 8

 

I saw that they were really slow and erratic-  and then retired midway through the race--   and no news to speak of really---

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm--



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 06:14 PM

Didnt know it was a cliffhanger

seriously

part 2 please



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 06:21 PM

Wow!



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 06:24 PM

Didnt know it was a cliffhanger
seriously
part 2 please


It's on page 4 or 5, keep scrolling through the thread and you'll find it... Well worth the time!

Hard to feel bad for the guy when he had so many warning signs on land. That said, holy shit what an ordeal!

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Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:17 PM

Sure like to read the other side of the story, but it seems there is a lot truth there.  This doesn't help much, but Aquarius is mentioned a couple times in the Transpac incident log (using autopilot, late position reports, and that they retired from racing):

 

http://transpacyc.co...hru_7-24-13.pdf



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:42 PM

Feel for the guy, but lost all respect with the Autopilot parts.  Did this guy even read the rules?



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 07:50 PM

From my understanding RDawg insisted on the AP because the owner couldn't keep the boat under control DW - and the only others that knew how to actually sail the boat (RDawg and "Jake") had to get some sleep at some point. The AP was used to try to save the sails from the Skip's lousy driving.

 

RDawg knew they were getting flicked from the race for using it - he just wanted to get to HI in once piece.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:03 PM

Ah...missed that part in my quick browse.  Painful stuff to read. 



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:31 PM

I know a guy that declined to sail on that boat.  Good Choice.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 08:37 PM

My Lord I cannot believe they were even allowed to race.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:15 PM

just read the first page, now working towards Pt II:   Fifty Shades of Jane - The Duct Tape sessions.   



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:18 PM

^^^^Golf clap.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 09:20 PM

clean will have this story on the mythical front page before we know it.

 

i can hardly believe this sort of thing happened. definate red flags while still at the dock.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:33 PM

Wow, what an ordeal.    Read through the whole thing.  For the uninitiated, there are few kinds of wrath as savage as a small business owner that is continually frustrated with their own shortcomings and has cultivated a controlling personality to mask their own fear and insecurity.   That personality type  - and the horrific passive aggressive tendencies that go with it - can make your life a living hell if they think for a second that they can hold some kind of authority over your head.   Guaranteed that same interpersonal dynamic between the skipper and his business partner is how they manage their business and their employees. 

 

It's really unfortunate these two blokes had such a miserable time of it but there's hardly anything criminal here.   Discussing their options with the CG seemed prudent as it put the skipper's emotionally driven outbursts on a leash and made him think about what he was doing, along with repercussions if someone was injured because of his decisions, or demands as was more likely the case.   As for the RC, who knows how the conversation went but I'd probably hang up, too.   Obviously the boat was a clusterfuck and their trip wasn't going well.   What's to say except buck up Goldilocks and figure it out?  You wanted to sail with strangers on an unknown-to-you boat across 2,000 miles of the Pacific!   Everybody made it to land safely.  Chalk it up to experience, lick your wounds,  and don't take any more blind rides.   

 

A round of ugh on that one for all concerned. 



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 10:45 PM

Agreed. I personally think the RC and the CG handled it the right way.

 

But hiding the bottled water, ten taping the faucets so the crew can't drink anything? Holy crap! That's some serious mean.



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Posted 31 July 2013 - 11:11 PM

Agreed. I personally think the RC and the CG handled it the right way.

 

But hiding the bottled water, ten taping the faucets so the crew can't drink anything? Holy crap! That's some serious mean.

 

LOL - I kept expecting to read that one of 'em would wake up to being caned :lol: 

 

It's clear that they didn't trust their crew anymore than the crew trusted them.  The skipper and 1st mate here, Jane, immediately lost control of the boat when it became obvious that they were way over their heads and that their normal tactics for scaring underlings failed.  That kind of behavior might work in a hot, cramped restaurant where someone can walk out when they've finally had enough abuse, but it sure as hell ain't gonna fly in the middle of an ocean with people bigger than you are!   As an aside, I've seen plenty of 40s and 50s something execs shouting at full volume in the hallways to scare the bejezus out of staff and harden their groups into focus - divide and conquer.  It's an old and very lazy, ugly tactic. 

 

Consider too that despite their dysfunctional working relationship, at least Harry and Jane could trust one another and their behavior and methods were a known quantity.   Their lives are inextricably tied - any repercussions for bad behavior are going to be limited if not dismissed entirely without another word.   They were out muscled, clearly out skilled, and I'm sure they felt threatened themselves.  Pile that on with people that are used to being in control, and you've got a recipe for disaster.    That explains to me the erratic and desperate behavior as events unfolded and the last threads of any respect between the two sides completely dissipated.  Just a bad situation all 'round.   

 

I hope it teaches them to be better prepared to run their own damned boat and to do a better job of finding crew that they trust on a personal as well as working level.   Instead of delegating the job of skipper to someone qualified they jumped in feet first like this was a coastal race and assumed all would be hunky dory.    Bad plan and too many ass-outta-him-n-her-umptions. 



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 12:47 AM

I'd have put the lot in a raft with plenty of food and water and called the CG to come get 'em.  Especially with video evidence it would be completely justified.  Us or them.  They had a long time to think about the options.  Which make me suspect there is more to this story than meets the eye...



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 01:49 AM

I'd have put the lot in a raft with plenty of food and water and called the CG to come get 'em.  Especially with video evidence it would be completely justified.  Us or them.  They had a long time to think about the options.  Which make me suspect there is more to this story than meets the eye...

 

I think so.   I've already blathered way too much about this story but it's bugged me all afternoon.   We only know one side of the story, crazy as it is.  

 

1)  when there's disagreement on the boat, people seem inclined to be all too ready to throw the skipper under the bus.  It's only natural I guess, but the long and the short of it is that it's the Skipper's boat, good one or not.   If someone threatened to take over my boat, they'd quickly find themselves in a life raft and a blinking EPIRB for company.    Fearing outright mutiny from his two not well known crew, the skipper turns angry and violent to mask a palpable fear of losing control of the boat and who knows what else.   Did he fear for his, Jane's, or Jane's mother's safety?   Have you spent a few days with the steely silent glare from someone you don't know and is convinced they're right about everything?   And as for the skipper's and Jane's arguing all the time - I've noticed a propensity for male vs. female to  fight like cats and dogs when they get alone out on the water, so I have to take all the drama between the Harry and Jane characters with a grain of salt.    

 

2)  right off the bat, our author already seems to have much different goals for the trip.   skipper misses meeting with veteran sail maker and shrugs it off.  Our boy immediately takes offense and feels embarrassed, which is understandable.  I would be, too, but it's clear at this point that he's taking the race much more seriously than the skipper.  Later is insulted about not buying his drinks at the pre-party.  A lot of Asians aren't big drinkers so this doesn't necessarily surprise me.   

 

3) spinnaker drama.  Rather than just abide by the skipper's wishes and skill level to sail under the jib, he and the other crew are determined to fly it at all costs, even though the skipper has already proven that driving the boat under it is beyond his abilities to do so without wrapping it up.   Why not just relax and pole out the jib for his watch to save all that excitement and drama?   It seems like he and his friend were at this point really pushing the skipper beyond his comfort zone for their own interests.  

 

In between the lines of his story is that he and his other crew member were expecting this to be a much more competitive boat and then got their panties in a wad right away when they discover that the owners of the boat are five 'n dimin' it to make the trip (complaints about provisions), nor do they seem too negatively concerned about finishing DFL in their class.   Seems like a big mismatch here in expectations and obviously very piss poor communications from the skipper to reset them otherwise in a logical or reasonable manner without getting irate and acting up.   Throw in some good old fashioned crazy woman at the end of her rope and this all starts to seem kind of obvious.   

 

ok.  back to work.   



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 05:15 AM

SNIP


3) spinnaker drama.  Rather than just abide by the skipper's wishes and skill level to sail under the jib, he and the other crew are determined to fly it at all costs, even though the skipper has already proven that driving the boat under it is beyond his abilities to do so without wrapping it up.   Why not just relax and pole out the jib for his watch to save all that excitement and drama?   It seems like he and his friend were at this point really pushing the skipper beyond his comfort zone for their own interests.  

 

SNIP

I have to agree with this, also why were RDaw and Jake on the same watch.  If they were the only ones who knew how to sail, why leave Harry and Jane to screw things up.

 

It sounds like a very bad experience, but things could have been handled differently.  Also standing up to petty pointless rules in the first place may have got things off to a better start.  Being told you can't talk to a fellow crew member would have had me rolling around in the cockpit killing myself with laughter!



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 03:32 PM

I thought the story might be juiced up a little for the sake of a good story, until I found their restaurants's Yelp page:

http://www.yelp.com/...-go-los-angeles

 

Review by a customer:

EXTREMELY RUDE, nasty cashier running this place. Service is usually not at the top of my priorities when eating from a little stall in the wall at the farmer's market but this guy went from rude to rabid dog in about 30 seconds. I ordered a few rolls, he gives me change back then walks up to the sushi counter to grab the fish WITHOUT WASHING HIS HANDS OR PUTTING ON GLOVES!! Had I not been watching his every move I would have been tasting dirty cash register fingers in my spicy tuna hand roll.  ( I was watching him since from the get go I got the feeling that this was the kind of guy who would spit in your food and call it a garnish). 

I kindly requested that he put on gloves and he barked some incoherent annoyingly shrieking broken English at me. I kept calm and tried to explain to the guy that he was required to wear gloves  and that If he did not I had the right to ask him to. The guy continued to argue with me but Its amazing how the words HEALTH DEPARTMENT are universally understood in the restaurant world. 

This was a total fiasco. The sushi was OK but the cashier needed a muzzle and an attitude makeover.



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 03:49 PM

Total fiasco. Definitely.

 

Is there really that much money in a mediocre fish-bits stall at a farmer's market?



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Posted 01 August 2013 - 10:01 PM

Total fiasco. Definitely.

 

Is there really that much money in a mediocre fish-bits stall at a farmer's market?

If you squeeze hard enough there is always some profit.



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Posted 02 August 2013 - 04:23 AM

Hey RD, the sword cuts in both directions. This is how yor employees think of you: http://www.ebosswatc...Shum/1412566489




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