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Poll: Guilty ? (15 member(s) have cast votes)

If the jury adheres to a strict interpretation of Reasonable Doubt

  1. Not Guilty of all charges (7 votes [46.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 46.67%

  2. Guilty of 2nd degree murder (2 votes [13.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.33%

  3. Guilty of Manslaughter (6 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  4. Hung Jury (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Mistrial for some other reason (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

If the jury leans more on an emotional sense of justice

  1. Not Guilty of all charges (1 votes [6.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.67%

  2. Guilty of 2nd degree murder (5 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  3. Guilty of Manslaughter (6 votes [40.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  4. Hung Jury (3 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  5. Mistrial for some other reason (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 Happy Jack

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:44 PM

You heard the testimony you know your parties line.. now vote



#2 Olsonist

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:47 PM

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#3 Bus Driver

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:53 PM

I'm waiting for the poll to be edited to include a choice of "Just Happy Jack starting another thread to make sure all eyes are on him."



#4 Sol Rosenberg

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 04:56 PM

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Is the player with the happy fingers guilty of:

 

A) Unsportsmanlike Conduct

B ) Sexual Assault

C) Bad Aim

D) Nothing, the recipient is a democRAT



#5 TheFlash

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:01 PM

Well - Happy did step up with a poll - even though he somehow made it biased.  Leave it to Happy.



#6 Sol Rosenberg

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:03 PM

What is more of a perfect ass, Simple Jack, or the following:

 

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#7 B.J. Porter

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:06 PM

I missed the option for "I am not actually ON the jury, so I've have not heard all of the testimony and arguments and instructions from the judge so maybe I'm not qualified to say."



#8 TMSAIL

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:08 PM

I missed the option for "I am not actually ON the jury, so I've have not heard all of the testimony and arguments and instructions from the judge so maybe I'm not qualified to say."

. Even the jury hasn't heard the instructions After lunch :)

I actually agree with your point

#9 Happy Jack

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:11 PM

I missed the option for "I am not actually ON the jury, so I've have not heard all of the testimony and arguments and instructions from the judge so maybe I'm not qualified to say."

. Even the jury hasn't heard the instructions After lunch :)

I actually agree with your point

 

You're both smart boys.. You can figure it out.  Vote afer lunch.



#10 kmccabe

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:19 PM

well, duh..  

 

 

I missed the option for "I am not actually ON the jury, so I've have not heard all of the testimony and arguments and instructions from the judge so maybe I'm not qualified to say."

. Even the jury hasn't heard the instructions After lunch :)

I actually agree with your point


#11 TheFlash

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:22 PM

I missed the option for "I am not actually ON the jury, so I've have not heard all of the testimony and arguments and instructions from the judge so maybe I'm not qualified to say."

 

since when does one have to qualified around here, in order to offer an opinion?



#12 Jon Eisberg

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:50 PM

Mark me down for "Basically, I don't give a shit..."

 

I'm sure it's largely due to the fact that I was one of a Fortunate Few of Americans who happened to be off on my boat in the Bahamas when the shooting and it's aftermath occurred, but I continue to be absolutely astounded by the attention this case has received...



#13 Bus Driver

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:28 PM

I submit that we will see a Hung Jury.  Lots of folks on either side will hit the talk shows, decrying the injustice.  Another prosecutor will handle the second trial.



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:34 PM

Personally I think not guilty based on the evidence I have seen and heard. Leaning for manslaughter from the jury. Not sure why maybe the OJ decision is clouding my perception

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:41 PM

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:53 PM

Personally I think not guilty based on the evidence I have seen and heard. Leaning for manslaughter from the jury. Not sure why maybe the OJ decision is clouding my perception

 

Borrowed from Sol's post in the other thread.



#17 benwynn

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:29 PM

 

I missed the option for "I am not actually ON the jury, so I've have not heard all of the testimony and arguments and instructions from the judge so maybe I'm not qualified to say."

. Even the jury hasn't heard the instructions After lunch :)

I actually agree with your point

 

You're both smart boys.. You can figure it out.  Vote afer lunch.

 

The essence of Happy Jack reasoning.  He never let's a lack of information get the way of forming an opinion.



#18 d'ranger

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:31 PM

Where is the pre-processing?  Is 2nd place awarded Nate Silver? 



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:14 PM



Personally I think not guilty based on the evidence I have seen and heard. Leaning for manslaughter from the jury. Not sure why maybe the OJ decision is clouding my perception

 
Borrowed from Sol's post in the other thread.
. Really? This is a thread on PA you are entitled to your opinion don't try and lecture me on mine.

I have seen enough to have reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed the crimes he is charged with. Anything I might not have seen does not matter

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:37 PM

 



Personally I think not guilty based on the evidence I have seen and heard. Leaning for manslaughter from the jury. Not sure why maybe the OJ decision is clouding my perception

 
Borrowed from Sol's post in the other thread.
. Really? This is a thread on PA you are entitled to your opinion don't try and lecture me on mine.

I have seen enough to have reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed the crimes he is charged with. Anything I might not have seen does not matter

 

You must never have received a lecture, if you think my post constitutes one.

 

I am saving that last sentence.  It's golden.



#21 TMSAIL

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:41 PM



 





Personally I think not guilty based on the evidence I have seen and heard. Leaning for manslaughter from the jury. Not sure why maybe the OJ decision is clouding my perception

 
Borrowed from Sol's post in the other thread.
. Really? This is a thread on PA you are entitled to your opinion don't try and lecture me on mine.

I have seen enough to have reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed the crimes he is charged with. Anything I might not have seen does not matter
 
You must never have received a lecture, if you think my post constitutes one.
 
I am saving that last sentence.  It's golden.
it's fact our system operates on reasonable doubt once you have that the rest is simply window dressing.

If the jury has a straw poll and they all vote guilty or innocent. That's it they do not have to review any of the evidence.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:49 PM

 

 



 





Personally I think not guilty based on the evidence I have seen and heard. Leaning for manslaughter from the jury. Not sure why maybe the OJ decision is clouding my perception

 
Borrowed from Sol's post in the other thread.
. Really? This is a thread on PA you are entitled to your opinion don't try and lecture me on mine.

I have seen enough to have reasonable doubt that Zimmerman committed the crimes he is charged with. Anything I might not have seen does not matter
 
You must never have received a lecture, if you think my post constitutes one.
 
I am saving that last sentence.  It's golden.
it's fact our system operates on reasonable doubt once you have that the rest is simply window dressing.

If the jury has a straw poll and they all vote guilty or innocent. That's it they do not have to review any of the evidence.

 

Agreed.  But I would be surprised if, after the jury having sat through this trial, it comes down to a straw poll.



#23 TMSAIL

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:55 PM

Really! . I would expect one of the first things they did was elect a Forman. Then I would expect the Foreman to take a quick poll to see where everyone stood.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:34 AM

I am reminded how awful deliberations were every time I was on a jury. There's always the leader wanna be who tries to organize and steer everybody his own way, the stupid one who didn't listen to a single thing during the trial, the emotional one who can't stop talking about how they "feel", the frigging genius who is smarter than everyone else - just ask him, the sarcastic one who turns every statement into an insult...............hey..............sounds like PA.........

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:51 AM

Really! . I would expect one of the first things they did was elect a Forman. Then I would expect the Foreman to take a quick poll to see where everyone stood.


I agree they likely took a quick poll as soon as they hit the room for deliberations. I meant I doubt that this will be over with the straw poll.

I might also add the following items -

If Z is convicted (either charge), those who feel he should have been acquitted will scream that the jury decided based on emotion, without listening to the facts/evidence. They'll add in that the verdict was more of an effort to avoid riots than justice served.

If Z is acquitted, those who feel he should have been convicted will cry it is evidence of the inherent racism of Sanford. They'll add in that the trial was held only to put on a show that they cared about seeking what happened that night.

Either way, this ain't over.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:42 AM

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:52 PM

Really! . I would expect one of the first things they did was elect a Forman. Then I would expect the Foreman to take a quick poll to see where everyone stood.


I agree they likely took a quick poll as soon as they hit the room for deliberations. I meant I doubt that this will be over with the straw poll.

I might also add the following items -

If Z is convicted (either charge), those who feel he should have been acquitted will scream that the jury decided based on emotion, without listening to the facts/evidence. They'll add in that the verdict was more of an effort to avoid riots than justice served.

If Z is acquitted, those who feel he should have been convicted will cry it is evidence of the inherent racism of Sanford. They'll add in that the trial was held only to put on a show that they cared about seeking what happened that night.

Either way, this ain't over.

 

I won't be surprised by any outcome outlined - with just 6 people on the jury, it's possible a bit of bonding amongst them and a persuasive person or 2 could swing it either way.



#28 d'ranger

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:51 PM

If they elect a Foreman will he grill the other jurors? 



#29 Happy Jack

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:04 PM

If they elect a Foreman will he grill the other jurors? 

 

And will her name be Georgette? 



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:24 PM

If they elect a Foreman will he grill the other jurors? 

 

And will her name be Georgette? 

See you can be funny.  well done.  although rare. 






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