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#1 Lake St Clair Hobie

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Posted 26 August 2013 - 04:42 PM

I was wondering how many Melges 24s are racing PHRF around North America?  Success?  What are your ratings?



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 05:22 PM

we rate 75 in PHRF-LO

 

i would say the rating is... near impossible to win. But were having more fun than most bigger boast.

 

a right rating is near 87 for my area



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 05:32 PM

Melges 24s rate 99 in the Pacific Northwest, which is level with Olson 30, for example.

 

But no one races PHRF, the area has strong one-design fleets in Seattle, Vancouver BC, and Victoria BC



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 06:13 PM

ECSA has them at 90 and do fairly well against the Vipers, J/70s and a GP26.  The M24 drivers are all top-notch though, so YMMV.



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Posted 26 August 2013 - 06:26 PM

If you race in an area with a small fleet , expect to race in LOT of bad air. Because you will be in the same categories as WAY bigger boats.



#6 GH Sailor

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:41 AM

99 GREAT Fun!



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 01:30 PM

ECSA has them at 90 and do fairly well against the Vipers, J/70s and a GP26.  The M24 drivers are all top-notch though, so YMMV.

 

Your too kind :wub:  :wub:

 

Seriously though, 90 is an awesome rating for us.



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Posted 27 August 2013 - 01:48 PM

We rate 81 on Lake Erie. You have to work harder and sail better to win (no gift rating) but it is doable and you know you sailed well when you did. We won our yacht club wednesday series by 1 point last year on the M24. As always in PHRF certain conditions are favorable. Don't take PHRF too seriously, race it for fun and get on the 1d course when u can. There are a few 24s on Lake St. Clair, a few on Lake Erie, and lots of good 1d in Michigan with a few hours of travel.

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 03:33 PM

How many of y'all have to keep your outboard mounted on the transom when racing PHRF? Our club allows them stored below, but others ding you 6 to 9 spm if you stow them below.

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:41 PM

How many of y'all have to keep your outboard mounted on the transom when racing PHRF? Our club allows them stored below, but others ding you 6 to 9 spm if you stow them below.

 ouch the OD rules don't allow for the motor to be hung on the transom while racing. It needs to be stored below.

 

In Narragansett Bay the M24 rates 99. It all depends on the conditions like any other sportboat.



#11 Lake St Clair Hobie

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 08:18 PM

I think the motor storage thing is like the bow pulpit (none on a M24).  If the one design rules allow it,  and the PHRF rating is for the OD boat,  then it should be allowed in PHRF racing.



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 10:20 PM

PHRF NW states you have to sail with the motor on the outboard bracket during racing, not below as in OD sailing. Another reason to not race PHRF. 



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Posted 30 August 2013 - 11:59 AM

Remember one very important fact:  The best M24 teams in the world can easily be 2-3 minutes ahead of the last few boats at a Worlds (which are typically no slouches themselves) on a 5-NM course.  2 minutes would mean...30 seconds per mile.  

 

One place a M24 is simply the best boat ever:  The North Channel Race (Lake St. Clair, usually 4-8 M24s).  Another:  Doublehanded.  Thing crushes when you know what you are doing.

 

As said above, go and race one-design whenever you can.  It will not only make you a happier person; it will also make you a much, much better PHRF racer!  



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Posted 30 August 2013 - 12:23 PM

 on a 5-NM course.  2 minutes would mean...30 seconds per mile.  

 

Apparently, Maths is not Clean's strongest suit.



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Posted 30 August 2013 - 02:19 PM

 on a 5-NM course.  2 minutes would mean...30 seconds per mile.  

 

Apparently, Maths is not Clean's strongest suit.

that is why he always gets the blonds :)



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Posted 30 August 2013 - 03:28 PM

How many of y'all have to keep your outboard mounted on the transom when racing PHRF? Our club allows them stored below, but others ding you 6 to 9 spm if you stow them below.

 I keep mine outside all the time. We have strong current and narrow place to sails on the st-lawrence. It does catch a tad downwind when were going 14 + knots... not the best , but the safest.



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Posted 01 September 2013 - 08:37 AM

How many of y'all have to keep your outboard mounted on the transom when racing PHRF? Our club allows them stored below, but others ding you 6 to 9 spm if you stow them below.

 I keep mine outside all the time. We have strong current and narrow place to sails on the st-lawrence. It does catch a tad downwind when were going 14 + knots... not the best , but the safest.

 

Interesting. We do the exact opposite. I cant remember a time when we left it on. None of our three M24's do. Its not very difficult to deal with if you have a strong person, and then all the wheight is in the center of the boat not off to one side.



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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:49 PM

 on a 5-NM course.  2 minutes would mean...30 seconds per mile.  

 

Apparently, Maths is not Clean's strongest suit.

:)  Like that's a surprise!



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Posted 01 September 2013 - 04:23 PM

.

GUT-Cutter hikling devices are banned outside of m24 class racing

 

take off 3 minutes off of your best time estimates 



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Posted 05 September 2013 - 07:14 PM

I've been crewing for the last 6 years or so on a Melges 24 with a rating of 102 for both the Hingham Bay and Mass Bay PHRF fleets. Our rating puts us against significantly larger boats which can be both fun and frustrating. We almost always attempt to roll the competition since we easily get blanketed in their shadow and is quite exciting when we do. We tend to do better in calmer waters against the competition and struggle more when it gets choppy (the boat doesn't seem to have the mass the other boats do to keep momentum and push through the waves). 

 

BTW - We always stow the motor. 






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