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#601 BronzeWing

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 09:57 PM

Whats with all the boats inside the boundary at the bottom mark???



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 09:57 PM

OR lower and faster again, and about to hit a decent pressure line.

8 Wins to 5 Wins now (8-3 scoreline)

#603 chauch

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 09:58 PM

Code zero up on Aotearoa.  Wind softening.  Can they come back?!



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 09:59 PM

I still remember when DC and was it Kenny Read on board when Stars and Stripes passed Mighty Mary in an extremely shifty last downwind leg in defender trials after being way way behind at the top mark.  Anything can happen in America's Cup racing sometimes.



#605 Mark K

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 09:59 PM

Whats with all the boats inside the boundary at the bottom mark???

 

 Stanford's marching band has been deployed.... 



#606 kenergy

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 09:59 PM

Bring on sunday. 



#607 chauch

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 09:59 PM

Two really great flybes by OTUSA.  Rounding now for home.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 09:59 PM

Whats with all the boats inside the boundary at the bottom mark???

 

 Stanford's marching band has been deployed.... 

^ classic



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:00 PM

fuck, fuck, fuck   good night



#610 BronzeWing

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:00 PM

How much more bizarre can this get?



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:00 PM

People can say what they want about wind limits and time limits, but the drama of this Cup cycle is simply fantastic. 

 

WetHog  :ph34r:



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:00 PM

The only way you don't like this racing is if you are more interested in who wins than in the quality of what you are witnessing.  This has been amazing drama, ups and downs for both teams.  Glad I get to watch more of this, assuming things stay as they are.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:01 PM

The Kiwi psychologist is gonna be busy tonight!



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:01 PM

Whats with all the boats inside the boundary at the bottom mark???

 

 Stanford's marching band has been deployed.... 

LOL.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:01 PM

 

Go GO GO OR!!!! :)

How can you celebrate so much considering OR should be handing the cup over already?

Why should they be?  Today's results are not against the rules.  You can hate the rules if you want, but the results are valid.

 

Isn't it ETNZ who has been saying lately that the rules are the rules and you shouldn't change them once the regatta starts?

I wasn't talking about the rules. I was inferring that there should be a bit of modesty considering the cup was seconds away from changing hands. 

 

Call it a bit of a character study.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:01 PM

America! @uck ya! Coming again to save the mother @uck'n day now. America! @uck ya! 

 

Everybody sing along!



#617 Jazz Freak

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:01 PM

golf claps



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:01 PM

Jimmy will be all over the presser now, not sure I will cope.

Well won Oracle, looks like its gonna be a champagne brekkie for Sunday NZ time.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:01 PM

wow - another day.  I think I will sail out an take a look tomorrow.  Look for a little trimaran with a black square top main hanging by Alcatraz!



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:02 PM

ETNZ just killed in this race, ouch

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:02 PM

hmmm wonder how much a redeye to SF costs



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:02 PM

People can say what they want about wind limits and time limits, but the drama of this Cup cycle is simply fantastic. 

 

WetHog  :ph34r:

+1000  Understand the kiwi's frustration, but I can't get enough of this.  Keep it coming.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:02 PM

Was this American exceptionalism on display?  :)



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:03 PM

my head's wrecked, going downwind if the apparent wind comes forward of abeam do they tack or gybe :-S



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:03 PM

 

 

Go GO GO OR!!!! :)

How can you celebrate so much considering OR should be handing the cup over already?

Why should they be?  Today's results are not against the rules.  You can hate the rules if you want, but the results are valid.

 

Isn't it ETNZ who has been saying lately that the rules are the rules and you shouldn't change them once the regatta starts?

I wasn't talking about the rules. I was inferring that there should be a bit of modesty considering the cup was seconds away from changing hands. 

 

Call it a bit of a character study.

Okay, I don't think my reading of the boards agrees with your opinion, but putting that aside, I'll re-ask my *actual* question.

 

You said "OR should be handing the cup over already."  What did you mean by that?  Because until ETNZ scores 9 points, that isn't the case, right?



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:03 PM

NEWS FLASH:

 

Larry Ellison just hired God.

 

I literally just choked on my Dr. Pepper.  This needs to be made front page.  Serious - send it to the ED with a couple satircal paragraphs.

 

Thursday, America's Cup, Race 2

 

Today, in what looked to be the last race of the America's Cup, Emirates Team New Zealand was enjoying a lead approaching a while in light winds.  Just minutes from the finish line, the race comittee signaled a race abandonment.  Profanity was heard on board the New Zealand boat as they started preparing for the second race of the day.

 

In an after race interview with Larry Ellison we found out just why Oracle Team USA has seemed to have been living a charmed life over the last several days.

 

Gary Jobson:

"Larry, it's been amazing in the last serveral days.  Races called off for too much wind while you were losing.  Races abandoned because they were past the time limit.  This string of luck just can't continue.  Do you have any comments?"

 

Larry Ellison:

"Well Gary, we knew the luck was going to sling our way.  Just a couple days ago we added a new team member to the payroll.  He's a creative guy and he's really given us an edge in every area - design, wind prediction, he's really been instrumental to our recent success."

 

Gary:

"We haven't seen any new sailors on board.  Who is he?"

 

Larry Ellison:

"God."

 

Gary:

"Excuse me?"

 

Larry Ellison:

"God.  I mean, money really isn't an object, because I'm Larry Ellison.  I had his direct number.  We concluded the deal in just a couple minutes.  He did mention that he's been wanting to talk to the New Zealanders for a while but really hasn't had a chance."

 

Gary:

"Really?"

 

Larry Ellison:

"Yeah.  Something about them and their sheep.  No idea what that's about."

 

Gary:

"I see....."



#627 mo fuzz

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:04 PM

Wow, talk about feeling jerked around by the weather.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:04 PM

LOL....any breeze over 15 oracle now looks faster upwind and down.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:04 PM

 

Sad thing is Davies doesn't seem to even realize

 

 

Too bad you don't have a private pipeline to Raser.  I'm sure he could benefit from your vast and telling insights!

Sad, because it was about to come as a huge surprise to him.

 

At about 3 minutes to go he said, out loud while on board, they had 6 minutes to go.

 

The commentators remark on it too - 'He is just wrong.'

 

 

Fair enough!



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:05 PM

Jimmy will be all over the presser now, not sure I will cope.

Well won Oracle, looks like its gonna be a champagne brekkie for Sunday NZ time.

LOL.  +1

 

Notice to all: If you're not a fan of Jimmy, you may want to skip the presser.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:05 PM

Yes!!! Still Alive!!! Just think, if Oracle hadn't had the two-race penalty, we'd be looking at 8-5 on the scoreboard.  :D



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:05 PM

Well raced Jiminy and Ainslie - great win, well done. Better sailing won.

 

Big de-brief in ETNZ camp after today, then an even bigger decision on whether or not to call the postponement card tomorrow if they lose the first race. They need to to realise that their lead is not going to protect them for much longer. They need to win it in the morning.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:06 PM

I'm sorry, but I still remain dumbfounded that at this level race management can't set a course that can be completed in time.  



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:06 PM

Very nice job in race 13 for, OTUSA.

 

What was that comment yesterday about bananas on the boat?



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:06 PM

Wow, talk about feeling jerked around by the weather.

 

And that's totally unheard of in sailboat racing...



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:06 PM

Yet another reason to stop watching this travesty - 25 minute races and commercials during the race.

 

Good job LE: I'm out. When I hear the Kiwi's have won, I'll watch the winning race on You Tube.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:07 PM

I've tried not to be critical of the  AC protocol, but what moron decided that boats sailing at 20knts can't complete a race under the time limit?

 

I hope the (current and) future Defenders are taking note of this

 

This is utter crap.

 

This regatta should be over.

 

I said a week ago that Oracle needs 4 wins in a row to get back into this race.  2 down



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:07 PM

I'm spending the day with a Kiwi tomorrow, might be a bit tense!



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:07 PM

TNZ doesnt deserve that much bad luck - and OR dont deserve to win.  

 

 

I hope TNZ takes the first race tmr and thats it - getting tired of all these stupid regulations ....  the 40min rule really idiotic!



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:07 PM

Just watched the penalty on VE by zooming in and I think the Hollywood might have got the Oscar



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:07 PM

Interviewing Jimmy on the boat now:

 

"It's been a really tough day"

 

"Bennie made a great call"

 

"we learned a lot from the first race and applied it to the second race"

 

When asked by KR about the get out of jail free card:

 

"what can you do?  Sometimes things go your way and you just have to take it."

 

Good for him to acknowledge the luck involved.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:07 PM

 

 

 

Go GO GO OR!!!! :)

How can you celebrate so much considering OR should be handing the cup over already?

Why should they be?  Today's results are not against the rules.  You can hate the rules if you want, but the results are valid.

 

Isn't it ETNZ who has been saying lately that the rules are the rules and you shouldn't change them once the regatta starts?

I wasn't talking about the rules. I was inferring that there should be a bit of modesty considering the cup was seconds away from changing hands. 

 

Call it a bit of a character study.

Okay, I don't think my reading of the boards agrees with your opinion, but putting that aside, I'll re-ask my *actual* question.

 

You said "OR should be handing the cup over already."  What did you mean by that?  Because until ETNZ scores 9 points, that isn't the case, right?

Re-read the thread all you like. 

 

I'm not talking about rules. I'm talking about the intangible emotions of sport and how people react to them.

 

Some people react with modesty, others with brashness and sometimes we ask questions about why people react in certain ways.

 

That's what I was doing. 



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:07 PM

Yet another reason to stop watching this travesty - 25 minute races and commercials during the race.

 

Good job LE: I'm out. When I hear the Kiwi's have won, I'll watch the winning race on You Tube.

 

We hardly knew you...

 

WetHog  :ph34r:



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:08 PM

People can say what they want about wind limits and time limits, but the drama of this Cup cycle is simply fantastic. 

 

WetHog  :ph34r:

Yep, If you wrote a book like this people would tell you it was to far fetched to believe.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:09 PM

Well raced Jiminy and Ainslie - great win, well done. Better sailing won.

 

Big de-brief in ETNZ camp after today, then an even bigger decision on whether or not to call the postponement card tomorrow if they lose the first race. They need to to realise that their lead is not going to protect them for much longer. They need to win it in the morning.

I agree.  I've said for a week that their lead is irrelevant.  Everything is on the next race.  The gap means nothing.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:09 PM

Yet another reason to stop watching this travesty - 25 minute races and commercials during the race.

 

Good job LE: I'm out. When I hear the Kiwi's have won, I'll watch the winning race on You Tube.

Awesome.  Don't let the door hit you.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:09 PM

This is around the buoy racing and it's sweet to see ;)



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:09 PM

Yet another reason to stop watching this travesty - 25 minute races and commercials during the race.

 

Good job LE: I'm out. When I hear the Kiwi's have won, I'll watch the winning race on You Tube.

+1



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:09 PM

You Kiwi's should blame the Herald for today's brutal turn of fortune.  ;)

 

WetHog  :ph34r:



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:09 PM

I'm sorry, but I still remain dumbfounded that at this level race management can't set a course that can be completed in time.  

x10

 

  The course should be designed to be completed in the time limit If the wind is high enough to start the race.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:09 PM

great racing, great drama, great AC

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:10 PM

Yes!!! Still Alive!!! Just think, if Oracle hadn't had the two-race penalty, we'd be looking at 8-5 on the scoreboard.  :D

Agreed! If only Oracle were not cheaters.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:10 PM

Yet another reason to stop watching this travesty - 25 minute races and commercials during the race.

 

Good job LE: I'm out. When I hear the Kiwi's have won, I'll watch the winning race on You Tube.

Who the fuck watches TV anymore? Haven't seen in commercial in years.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:10 PM

Ok, so why wasn't the course shortened?  It seems absurd to me that the RD would set a course that couldn't actually be sailed within the time limit ...

I think the "vision" was that the marks would be movable. When they lost the mark boats they lost the ability to shorten. No?

 

You nailed it!



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:11 PM

Congratulations Team USA-godamned great sailing in that second race! Go 17ers!!! Best racing ever!

 

PS there have always been time limits and it saved our has today-must be hard on the Kiwis. And, ah, speaking of cheaters, what about the Kiwi port/stb penalty! Makes one think when TNZ has had three penalties (I think) to Oracles none in the racing..........



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:11 PM

I'm sorry, but I still remain dumbfounded that at this level race management can't set a course that can be completed in time.  

x10

 

  The course should be designed to be completed in the time limit If the wind is high enough to start the race.

 

I missed the start -  did the wind drop off significantly?  That seems to be the only logical explanation



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:11 PM

WTF??????



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:12 PM

I'm spending the day with a Kiwi tomorrow, might be a bit tense!

Try to talk about other things to get him relaxed.

Ask him about the time they were out-witted by Australia in the cricket.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:13 PM

Yes!!! Still Alive!!! Just think, if Oracle hadn't had the two-race penalty, we'd be looking at 8-5 on the scoreboard.  :D

 

 Win 4 more and everybody will know who really won....



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

Well sailed OTUSA. They have not won three in a row and I think we will see another USA win before we see another KIWI one.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

You Kiwi's should blame the Herald for today's brutal turn of fortune.  ;)

 

WetHog  :ph34r:

That and a HUGE fucking bunch of chicken counting.

Hubris is alive and well in NZ over the last week.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

Okay, I don't think my reading of the boards agrees with your opinion, but putting that aside, I'll re-ask my *actual* question.

I wasn't talking about the rules. I was inferring that there should be a bit of modesty considering the cup was seconds away from changing hands. 

 

Call it a bit of a character study.

 

You said "OR should be handing the cup over already."  What did you mean by that?  Because until ETNZ scores 9 points, that isn't the case, right?

Re-read the thread all you like. 

 

I'm not talking about rules. I'm talking about the intangible emotions of sport and how people react to them.

 

Some people react with modesty, others with brashness and sometimes we ask questions about why people react in certain ways.

 

That's what I was doing. 

Okay--so you can keep avoiding my question if you'd like.  I didn't think I'd get an answer.  My point remains--the regatta isn't won until someone scores 9.

 

But to address the point you want to continue to make, I really don't agree.  Both sides have crowed at certain times, but saying right now that the Oracle fans are being unsportsmanlike or brash is just not something I'm seeing.  I fully expect ETNZ to win this regatta, and have complimented them profusely.  You may be confusing excitement over OTUSA getting another win and extending the series, but that's not over the line, is it?  Otherwise, all of the cheering by Kiwi fans as ETNZ is winning races would be equally unsportsmanlike, which I don't think it is.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

JS's already-considerable confidence feeds off of of positives, he's going to be feeling a lot stronger going into tomorrow.

I think his TS/BA team is beginning to gel real well. That slam at the bottom was a pretty brilliant move, the whole upwind leg got managed well.

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

Lots of babies crying in  the room today.  Get over it.  THERE IS A WIND LIMIT AND A TIME LIMIT.  Its is what it is.   



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:14 PM

why are some people asking about course length and limits? course cant be changed much...this is made for TV you noobs



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:15 PM

I'm sorry, but I still remain dumbfounded that at this level race management can't set a course that can be completed in time.  

 

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:15 PM

I know you Kiwi's are gutted, but OR still needs 6 races to win and ETNZ needs 1. 

 

I like ETNZ's chances.

 

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:15 PM

They are not going to make it. But next race will be cinch in these conditions

 

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:16 PM

I'm spending the day with a Kiwi tomorrow, might be a bit tense!

Try to talk about other things to get him relaxed.

Ask him about the time they were out-witted by Australia in the cricket.

Nah, that has happened to often to care about, more like Gregan and his brilliant "four more years boys, four more years" sledge



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:16 PM

Yes!!! Still Alive!!! Just think, if Oracle hadn't had the two-race penalty, we'd be looking at 8-5 on the scoreboard. :D


Win 4 more and everybody will know who really won....

And then everyone will be remined that a cheating team was defending the cup, fine with me :-)

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:17 PM

Yet another reason to stop watching this travesty - 25 minute races and commercials during the race.

 

Good job LE: I'm out. When I hear the Kiwi's have won, I'll watch the winning race on You Tube.

Awesome.  Don't let the door hit you.

Dean Barker = class act. Oracle and Oracle supporters, not so much.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:17 PM

The only way you don't like this racing is if you are more interested in who wins than in the quality of what you are witnessing.  This has been amazing drama, ups and downs for both teams.  Glad I get to watch more of this, assuming things stay as they are.

+1. Whatever else, it has been great to watch since OR came up to speed. As for wind limits, they all agreed in advance, whining now is just that - whining. ETNZ will win eventually, it's nice to see some good racing until then.

With the OR duck, did I hear a "fucks sake!" - sure sounded like it?

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:18 PM

I had to leave for a few minutes, what happened when TNZ refused the starboard to OR ? penalty ?



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:18 PM

OR will get smoked in the light wind.


Eat it you lil bitch

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:19 PM

Most definitely exciting racing with lots of drama.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:19 PM

Lots of babies crying in  the room today.  Get over it.  THERE IS A WIND LIMIT AND A TIME LIMIT.  Its is what it is.   

+100

 

The bellyaching by Kiwi fans over the time limit is especially rich since the last few days have been spent saying how you just can't change the wind limits once the regatta begins.

 

And I've agreed with that position, and don't think ETNZ are being a bunch of pussies by sticking to the wind limits.  I think they're being smart.

 

But what is good for the goose is good for the gander.  You can't have it both ways.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:19 PM

I need a beer. Fuck me, that was some crazy ass shit right there.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:19 PM

Loving it, don't want it to end, is it ok to cheer for OR for 3 more, then switch back to Kiwi's?

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:19 PM

 

Okay, I don't think my reading of the boards agrees with your opinion, but putting that aside, I'll re-ask my *actual* question.

I wasn't talking about the rules. I was inferring that there should be a bit of modesty considering the cup was seconds away from changing hands. 

 

Call it a bit of a character study.

 

You said "OR should be handing the cup over already."  What did you mean by that?  Because until ETNZ scores 9 points, that isn't the case, right?

Re-read the thread all you like. 

 

I'm not talking about rules. I'm talking about the intangible emotions of sport and how people react to them.

 

Some people react with modesty, others with brashness and sometimes we ask questions about why people react in certain ways.

 

That's what I was doing. 

Okay--so you can keep avoiding my question if you'd like.  I didn't think I'd get an answer.  My point remains--the regatta isn't won until someone scores 9.

 

But to address the point you want to continue to make, I really don't agree.  Both sides have crowed at certain times, but saying right now that the Oracle fans are being unsportsmanlike or brash is just not something I'm seeing.  I fully expect ETNZ to win this regatta, and have complimented them profusely.  You may be confusing excitement over OTUSA getting another win and extending the series, but that's not over the line, is it?  Otherwise, all of the cheering by Kiwi fans as ETNZ is winning races would be equally unsportsmanlike, which I don't think it is.

I think a number of NZ fans have been over the top and I don't agree with it. 

 

Don't think I'm making this into a nationality thing, Stingrays reaction was one I noticed, so I asked the question. Also I didn't say it was a certain win, I made an assumption that it was about to be won. I am aware of what constitutes a win. You are reading far too much into things. 



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:20 PM

Yes!!! Still Alive!!! Just think, if Oracle hadn't had the two-race penalty, we'd be looking at 8-5 on the scoreboard.  :D

 

 Win 4 more and everybody will know who really won....

The one who really won will be the one hoisting the Cup tomorrow.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:21 PM

 

Yet another reason to stop watching this travesty - 25 minute races and commercials during the race.

 

Good job LE: I'm out. When I hear the Kiwi's have won, I'll watch the winning race on You Tube.

Awesome.  Don't let the door hit you.

Dean Barker = class act. Oracle and Oracle supporters, not so much.

LOL--what does DB have with your stupid opinion?  I really like DB and the whole team.  They're the class of this regatta and they're going to win it.

 

I am local and want to see the Cup stay here.  Can you blame me?

 

My comment to you had nothing to with DB, ETNZ or OTUSA.  It had to do with your stupid opinion.  If you don't think this racing is interesting enough to deal with the annoyances about it, then don't watch.  Why'd you register and come here to announce it though is a bit strange to me...



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:22 PM

OR will get smoked in the light wind.


Eat it you lil bitch

 

Big man aren't ya with your naughty words.

 

Oracles moding was wrong for light air (they got spanked) but much better than ETNZ in the wind range for the second race. 



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:22 PM

great racing, great drama, great AC

+1



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:22 PM

WOW I called the San Francisco  tourist info center for something to do for the rest of the day

 

Looks like All the Tours of the Whine Country are Over-Booked :lol:  



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:23 PM

OR will get smoked in the light wind.


Eat it you lil bitch

I can't find it anywhere, but do you have data set for how far behind OR were from NZ when the first race was called in the light winds?



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:24 PM

 

 

Okay, I don't think my reading of the boards agrees with your opinion, but putting that aside, I'll re-ask my *actual* question.

I wasn't talking about the rules. I was inferring that there should be a bit of modesty considering the cup was seconds away from changing hands. 

 

Call it a bit of a character study.

 

You said "OR should be handing the cup over already."  What did you mean by that?  Because until ETNZ scores 9 points, that isn't the case, right?

Re-read the thread all you like. 

 

I'm not talking about rules. I'm talking about the intangible emotions of sport and how people react to them.

 

Some people react with modesty, others with brashness and sometimes we ask questions about why people react in certain ways.

 

That's what I was doing. 

Okay--so you can keep avoiding my question if you'd like.  I didn't think I'd get an answer.  My point remains--the regatta isn't won until someone scores 9.

 

But to address the point you want to continue to make, I really don't agree.  Both sides have crowed at certain times, but saying right now that the Oracle fans are being unsportsmanlike or brash is just not something I'm seeing.  I fully expect ETNZ to win this regatta, and have complimented them profusely.  You may be confusing excitement over OTUSA getting another win and extending the series, but that's not over the line, is it?  Otherwise, all of the cheering by Kiwi fans as ETNZ is winning races would be equally unsportsmanlike, which I don't think it is.

I think a number of NZ fans have been over the top and I don't agree with it. 

 

Don't think I'm making this into a nationality thing, Stingrays reaction was one I noticed, so I asked the question. Also I didn't say it was a certain win, I made an assumption that it was about to be won. I am aware of what constitutes a win. You are reading far too much into things. 

I don't think this about me reading too much into things.  I think this is about you backpedaling after realizing that your "should be handing it over" comment was more about sour grapes than what is actually happening in the regatta.  Then you tried to link it to boorish behavior, which doesn't exist.

 

Regardless, I won't bother you anymore about it.  Cheers.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:24 PM

Nice work by the plucky Australian helmsman.

This is really shaping up as another triumph for the Southern Hemisphere.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:24 PM

Cn you imagine if they keep up with this 1 race per day, and if OTUSA keeps getting lucky day after day, that this could keep going on for another 6 days?



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:24 PM

Lots of babies crying in the room today. Get over it. THERE IS A WIND LIMIT AND A TIME LIMIT. Its is what it is.


But have you ever sailed in an important professional inshore race where the course length and angles haven't been adjusted to the days conditions???

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:25 PM

Yet another reason to stop watching this travesty - 25 minute races and commercials during the race.

 

Good job LE: I'm out. When I hear the Kiwi's have won, I'll watch the winning race on You Tube.

 

Good luck finding a replay on youtube, it's gone totally dark for race 13, at least for me...



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:25 PM

There is obviously good money to be made out of this AC.

TV repair shop or a vet clinic for beaten dogs.

Apply at Otara community hall.

This sucks, I,m afraid OR could still scrape home on this one.

 

It's hard being a kiwi for me just now!!



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:26 PM

Nice work by the plucky Australian helmsman.

This is really shaping up as another triumph for the Southern Hemisphere.

 If only I thought he was a great bloke



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:26 PM

 

Yet another reason to stop watching this travesty - 25 minute races and commercials during the race.

 

Good job LE: I'm out. When I hear the Kiwi's have won, I'll watch the winning race on You Tube.

Awesome.  Don't let the door hit you.

Dean Barker = class act. Oracle and Oracle supporters, not so much.

 

You said your goodbyes in your 2nd post, now you are up to post #4. 

 

Are you staying or leaving, douche?

 

WetHog  :ph34r:



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:26 PM

Ellison is probably happy that racing will continue this weekend. Oracle Open World starts on Sunday, but people will be registering on Saturday. Oracle Open World usually takes place the first week of October. I imagine that it was moved up so people who wanted to arrive a few days early could catch some of the races. Ellison is scheduled to give a welcome keynote on Sunday. He usually shows some Oracle sailing clips before his speeches.  

http://www.oracle.co...orld/index.html



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:26 PM

WOW I called the San Francisco  tourist info center for something to do for the rest of the day

 

Looks like All the Tours of the Whine Country are Over-Booked :lol:  

Grab your Louis Vuiiton handbag, put on your Prada heels, and go say "Hello" to a sailor.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:26 PM

Loving it, don't want it to end, is it ok to cheer for OR for 3 more, then switch back to Kiwi's?

Yeah. It's OK, but a bit of a dangerous strategy I'm thinking.

 

Give Jimmy a bit of a sniff and it could all be over for ETNZ in more ways than just this regatta.

 

Better not tempt fate I suggest, mate.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:27 PM

Lots of babies crying in the room today. Get over it. THERE IS A WIND LIMIT AND A TIME LIMIT. Its is what it is.


But have you ever sailed in an important professional inshore race where the course length and angles haven't been adjusted to the days conditions???

To be fair though, I think the whole history of safety, the rules, the reactions by teams, the days being called for high winds, etc., have basically set everything in stone at this point.  NO way IM is going to risk imposing any 'common sense' at this point.

 

And since ETNZ was rigid on the wind limits (for good reason), they can't now raise time limits.  And even if they did, after their performance today, OTUSA would never agree.

 

The rules are what they are and we're just going to have to deal with it.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:28 PM

Lots of babies crying in  the room today.  Get over it.  THERE IS A WIND LIMIT AND A TIME LIMIT.  Its is what it is.   

 

Sure and the race officials are so retarded than when they calculate course distance, valid wind conditions and likely boat speed they fail to see that the valid time limit is too small. They must be quite clever. A course they construct with conditions they impose which is not possible to sail. Winners.



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:28 PM

Oh, Oracle Open World is offering a Ultimate VIP Sailing Experience for visitors:

 

http://www.oracle.co...-cup/index.html



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Posted 20 September 2013 - 10:28 PM


OR will get smoked in the light wind.


Eat it you lil bitch
I can't find it anywhere, but do you have data set for how far behind OR were from NZ when the first race was called in the light winds?

Far.

But this comment was made after R1 and was aimed at R2. Time stamp homes




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