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Is Paul Bieker the Adrian Newey of Sailing?


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#1 kimbottles

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 01:46 AM

I bet Oracle's new speed came at least in part from foil master Paul.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:35 AM

No idea who Adrian is, but Paul is a genius.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:43 AM

No idea who Adrian is

 

He's designed 9 (almost certainly 10) F1 constructors champion cars, including the last 3 (soon 4) straight. A packaging genius.

 

That Bieker foil inspired by the humpback is cool.



#4 Bob Perry

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:45 AM

I still remember when Paul was an intern, living in my house and tipped his teapot over on my nice rug.
I also remember when he helped himself to my boat without asking. That I did not like. You don't do that.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:50 AM

So who got oracle's bows to ride higher?

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:51 AM

kim, I don't know either. I have no idea who this dude is you speak of, but I am glad someone figured out how to make USA 17 Oracle go faster.

 

8 - 0....8-1....8-2 is not an event. 8 - 8 is a much better event..

 

Sorry if this guy stepped out on your toes Bob..I agree..you don't take another dude's boat. :o



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:00 AM

I still remember when Paul was an intern, living in my house and tipped his teapot over on my nice rug.
I also remember when he helped himself to my boat without asking. That I did not like. You don't do that.

 

 

lol.  As a one time customer of his back in my 14 days, I learned that dealing with genius wasn't always easy.  Worth it, but not always easy.



#8 Jose Carumba

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:22 AM

Bob, you know that Eric Jolley, Paul's right hand man, was also a student of yours at Evergreen don't you? Your reach and influence go a long way in the yacht design community.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:23 AM

They will be singing songs about Paul when this is over.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:31 AM

I still remember when Paul was an intern, living in my house and tipped his teapot over on my nice rug.
I also remember when he helped himself to my boat without asking. That I did not like. You don't do that.

This may explain why he has always paid attention to fast sterns, At a time when draggy rear ends, to promote early planing in an ideal non heel world were all abuzz. Pauls designs ruled by a bit of smarts but avoiding having a canoe stern! ;)



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:35 AM

Adrian Newey is maybe the best Formula 1 car designer of all time.

His cars have also won Indy and many other races.

Paul Bieker is a genius engineer and boat designer. Famous for I14 designs and the Riptide series of boats.

See: www.biekerboats.com

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:31 AM

Adrian Newey is maybe the best Formula 1 car designer of all time.

His cars have also won Indy and many other races.

Paul Bieker is a genius engineer and boat designer. Famous for I14 designs and the Riptide series of boats.

See: www.biekerboats.com

 

 

I've been pimping the Riptide over in the Cool Boats thread, but people only care about the galley.  Go figure.    The guy's work certainly is paying off for OTUSA right now.   The kiwis fans are yelling about rumors of computerized auto-foiling whatchamacallits.  I don't think so.   



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:32 AM

I still remember when Paul was an intern, living in my house and tipped his teapot over on my nice rug.
I also remember when he helped himself to my boat without asking. That I did not like. You don't do that.

 

for shame, for shame.   bad Paul.  bad!   



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 07:46 AM

I have a couple friends who designed a foil themselves, and a mold for making it. Paul asked if he could borrow them. After he'd had it quite a while they wanted it back. Took Paul over a year to get it back to them. They were not pleased.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 11:36 AM

Paul marches to his own beat, that is for sure. Kind of hard to get to know, but really smart guy.



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Posted 25 September 2013 - 01:39 PM

My hat is off to all the guys involved with the designs for the AC. What amazes me is that you have a brand new development class rule for big, radical cats that we have never seen before. Then you have two independent design groups attack the problem with no crossover of information. And in the end you get two boats that for the most part are identical in performance. I would have anticipated one boat being a dog but it sure doesn't look like that anymore. So to Paul and any other guys involved with the designs I say thanks and good on ya.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 02:32 PM

They sure provided us with some wild entertainment!

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 06:41 PM

What amazes me is that the Oracle design/performance team numbers 30 people!  A mix of structural/mechanical engineers, wing/aerodynamics guys, and hydrodynamicists. Only one, Paul B., is a traditional boat designer type.  I would guess that typical boat designers would have problems working with such a huge bunch of specialists, wanting to pull too many strings. 



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:12 AM

Paul was responsible for the STRUCTURE of the appendages, not their shapes. Not to take anything away from him, but he was part of a pretty big team.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 03:44 PM

Did anyone else look at that port foil after rounding mark 4 and wonder if it was going to break? The loads on a reach must have been tremendous



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:17 PM

Yes I did and I thank Paul that it did not break.

 

I alsol wondered when they slammed the new board down on the jibe.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 04:47 PM

Paul's response to my congratulations email yesterday was:

 

Thanks Kim,

 

This has been an incrrdible experience (and a lot of work).

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

 

I guess it is hard to type when you are very excited!!



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 05:01 PM

I'm a big fan of Newey, and also had huge regard for Colin Chapman (Lotus), but the innovator who still amazes me, just by how he changed everything about race cars, forever, is a local guy, Jim Hall.

The just finished AC was the best ever. Hats off to everyone involved.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 05:04 PM

I'm a big fan of Newey, and also had huge regard for Colin Chapman (Lotus), but the innovator who still amazes me, just by how he changed everything about race cars, forever, is a local guy, Jim Hall.

The just finished AC was the best ever. Hats off to everyone involved.

 

Jim Hall: another brilliant guy!



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 06:57 PM

Jim Hall is a local guy?  Doesn't he work for Hoover or Dyson now?



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 07:45 PM

Electrolux I think.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 07:52 PM

Excellent you two!!

 

Apparently you both remember the Chaparral 2J

 

800px-Chaparral_2J.jpg



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 08:01 PM

Well, they did break the first one. Apparently ETNZ were more than a little surprised that the broken end floated.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 08:27 PM

Excellent you two!!

 

Apparently you both remember the Chaparral 2J

 

800px-Chaparral_2J.jpg

 

Yeah, those cars really cleaned up until they were banned.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 08:29 PM

Excellent you two!!

 

Apparently you both remember the Chaparral 2J

 

800px-Chaparral_2J.jpg

 

Yeah, those cars really cleaned up until they were banned.

 I heard they sucked.

 

 

(someone had to)



#31 Jose Carumba

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 08:35 PM

I was waiting for that.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:36 AM

He's local to me. The 2J (along with one each of the other Chaparrals) is on display at our local http://petroleummuse...lery-exhibits/. They routinely drive each one. I've had the pleasure of meeting him on several occasions, a very nice guy.

His shop is very small, as was his crew. It's amazing what a few guys with a fab shop built.

We also have the Commemorative Air Force Museum, home to Fifi, the world's only flying B-29.

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 04:45 AM

When did they change the name from Confederate Air Force?



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:33 PM

More than a decade ago, I think. Had to do with Corporate gifts, companies like Chase and Exxon could hardly be caught giving to an organization with "Confederate" in it's name.

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 11:24 PM

More than a decade ago, I think. Had to do with Corporate gifts, companies like Chase and Exxon could hardly be caught giving to an organization with "Confederate" in it's name.

Duh. Hard to be more rude than to celebrate slavery.

 

But back to the topic.

 

To pull off such complex, interconnected engineering, with so many inter-acting unknowns, is simply awesome. It obviously required one hell of a team of smart people who worked very hard, together. Not some set of individual geniuses!

 

Perhaps Paul, like the rest of us, learned how to play with others.

 

I find there are very, very few people who do not put everything they can towards the common good. Maybe some people disagree with their definition of the common good, but that is a complicated problem, nobody gets that perfect. Right?



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Posted 30 September 2013 - 10:57 PM

Having raced with Paul he seemed to be regular guy/sailor (if anyone was regular on that boat) and was in the game for the teamwork making the boat go forward; that's all he cared about. He's quiet but will yak to you over a pint. I've had the privilege to sailing on two of his designs and spent a lot of time helping the 41 up and going.

 

Some stuff like water ballasted boats weren't invented by him but perfecting them are. Bulbs, fins rudders etc. I mean. I'm a bit of a T.L.A.R. guy and his design are sort of like that. Innovative without getting weird. I don't like weird for weird's sake if you follow.

 

Now Oracle is done with him for awhile I hope to see more.






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