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#1 winchfodder

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:29 PM

Love it, but will be be able to go and wathc the racing without ending up in jail?

 

Dotcom, who founded file sharing website Megaupload, is fighting extradition to the US where authorities allege the firm and its owners had committed mass copyright infringement and money laundering worth more than US$500 million.

 

http://tvnz.co.nz/na...team-nz-5591868



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:33 PM

While I have to wonder if he's just trying to buy his freedom, even then I'd still support it  :D Anything to keep the dream alive!



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:35 PM

AWEzsOME. Faith restored

While I have to wonder if he's just trying to buy his freedom, even then I'd still support it  :D Anything to keep the dream alive!


Probably buying kiwis off while we are in mourning however if TNZ can live on then I'm all for it.

#4 GauchoGreg

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:35 PM

Nothing says "class" like Kim Dotcom.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:36 PM

Kim Dotcom has thrown his weight behind a future Team New Zealand America's Cup challenge.

 

damning_review_of_govt_s_spy_agency_3.jp

 

 

Classic.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:38 PM

Kim Dotcom has thrown his weight behind a future Team New Zealand America's Cup challenge.

 

damning_review_of_govt_s_spy_agency_3.jp

 

 

Classic.

 

 

Ha!!! beat you to it.  But you get bonus points for the image.



#7 winchfodder

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 10:45 PM

 

Kim Dotcom has thrown his weight behind a future Team New Zealand America's Cup challenge.

 

damning_review_of_govt_s_spy_agency_3.jp

 

 

Classic.

 

 

Ha!!! beat you to it.  But you get bonus points for the image.

 

Any relation to ED's favourite guy,Dan Meyers by any chance?

 

Dan_Meyers3.jpg



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:01 PM

Well, Mr Dotcom certainly appears adept at circumventing regulations in the nicest possible way, and - -

 

- - tweaking Uncle Sam's nose

 

- - appealing to the masses

 

- - mastery of gaming and IT subtleties

 

- - access to International experts in assorted fields

 

- - has clearly been wronged by over enthusiastic NZ authorities

 

- - may well have $50 or 100 million to spare

 

If he fronts up with the cash, further collusion with Uncle Sam let alone his deportation would create an uproar and quite literally bring the current Govt down :huh:



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:05 PM

Well, Mr Dotcom certainly appears adept at circumventing regulations in the nicest possible way, and - -

 

- - tweaking Uncle Sam's nose

 

- - appealing to the masses

 

- - mastery of gaming and IT subtleties

 

- - access to International experts in assorted fields

 

- - has clearly been wronged by over enthusiastic NZ authorities

 

- - may well have $50 or 100 million to spare

 

If he fronts up with the cash, further collusion with Uncle Sam let alone his deportation would create an uproar and quite literally bring the current Govt down :huh:

 

I bet Oracle lawers are onto him for copyright infringment. Dalt's will love it, anything to wind up LE



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:08 PM

He would have the rights to some interesting wing graphics :)



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:37 PM

My mate is his next door neigbour, he really is a genuine nice guy who just wants to get on with being a kiwi.



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Posted 26 September 2013 - 11:50 PM

So he fronts the money for a nice shinny boat and sends it to the USA to try and race it before the feds impound it.

 

Well, Mr Dotcom certainly appears adept at circumventing regulations in the nicest possible way, and - -

 

- - tweaking Uncle Sam's nose

 

- - appealing to the masses

 

- - mastery of gaming and IT subtleties

 

- - access to International experts in assorted fields

 

- - has clearly been wronged by over enthusiastic NZ authorities

 

- - may well have $50 or 100 million to spare

 

If he fronts up with the cash, further collusion with Uncle Sam let alone his deportation would create an uproar and quite literally bring the current Govt down :huh:



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:04 AM

My mate is his next door neigbour, he really is a genuine nice guy who just wants to get on with being a kiwi.

so true

mind you, he has to get on with that, after he was unsuccessful trying to be a German........



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 01:10 AM

Great so TNZ brings their best weapon to San Fran and the federalis are waiting to seize it. That would go over well.......

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 01:31 AM

Uggggh.
However nice a guy he is (and I have no idea personally) I think ETNZ (or whatever a next generation might be called) would do well to stay away from the controversy that is Kim dotcom.

Plus he doesn't really have enough money - unless major change in programs I fear net worth gotta be in the billions , not millions to mount a viable challenge

#16 NorthKorean

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 01:36 AM

He would get the world behind him because he hates yanks



#17 southseasbill

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 01:38 AM

Otherwise known as Crim Dotcon



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 01:39 AM

I wouldn't hang my hat on anything funded by this loser, he'd have to pay it all, upfront and in cash just to talk to me.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 01:50 AM

Wasn't he in the Austin Powers movies?

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 02:59 AM

 

 

Kim Dotcom has thrown his weight behind a future Team New Zealand America's Cup challenge.

 

damning_review_of_govt_s_spy_agency_3.jp

 

 

Classic.

 

 

Ha!!! beat you to it.  But you get bonus points for the image.

 

Any relation to ED's favourite guy,Dan Meyers by any chance?

 

Dan_Meyers3.jpg

 

Belly Flop Contest.

 

Place your bets, gentlemen.



#21 PeterHuston

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 03:02 AM

Remember when Te Kootie broke the news about Butterworth and Mr. Dotcom sharing the same security dude?  



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 03:41 AM

Mega New Zealand would be a good team name



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 03:43 AM

I somehow doubt ETNZ would want to be in any way associated with the long running Americas Cup tradition of Syndicates headed by criminals started by Alan Bond.

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 03:48 AM

You're going to need a bigger boat.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 04:51 AM

i think its classic, if nothing else it would force john key to man up.  He would never want to create an opportunity for Kim dotcom to be the hero



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 05:04 AM

You're going to need a bigger boat.

 

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 05:22 AM

Remember when Te Kootie broke the news about Butterworth and Mr. Dotcom sharing the same security dude?  

 

I've never had such a healthy respect for someone in track pants as Mr. Tempero. We used to use him at work for people who refused to pay their bills. We'd just sit him in the customer cafe with a cup of coffee. Fairly effective ploy it was.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 05:39 AM

Kim DotCom...quite a character. Didn't he basically purchase his NZ citizenship?

 

The guy seems like a very smart and fun guy to be around socially, but his total disregard for laws would have to be a concern. I think LE would love every minute of it, but odds of lawyers and the feds not getting involved might give TNZ serious pause.

 

This guy is a borderline criminal in the way that the founder of Napster is, except Kim has a long history of actual criminal convictions preceding Mega upload. The other side is, he is a big proponent of internet freedom which plays pretty well, especially in the current political climate.

 

He is an interesting guy, but if he sets foot in the US he will be arrested. He is basically the entertainment industries #1 enemy.

 

The flip side is, The NZ government might just be more likely to fund ETNZ if the alternative is having Kim be the face behind their Cup team.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:14 AM

Kim DotCom...quite a character. Didn't he basically purchase his NZ citizenship?

 

The guy seems like a very smart and fun guy to be around socially, but his total disregard for laws would have to be a concern. I think LE would love every minute of it, but odds of lawyers and the feds not getting involved might give TNZ serious pause.

 

This guy is a borderline criminal in the way that the founder of Napster is, except Kim has a long history of actual criminal convictions preceding Mega upload. The other side is, he is a big proponent of internet freedom which plays pretty well, especially in the current political climate.

 

He is an interesting guy, but if he sets foot in the US he will be arrested. He is basically the entertainment industries #1 enemy.

 

The flip side is, The NZ government might just be more likely to fund ETNZ if the alternative is having Kim be the face behind their Cup team.

 

He's not a citizen. He has residence status. A bit like a Green Card in the US (if they still have those).



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:22 AM

Can't see this going ahead. I'm not totally against it but i can't see TNZ getting into bed with Kim.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:24 AM

Besides which I dont think they have given his money back yet.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:55 AM

Otherwise known as Crim Dotcon


Alcatraz will be the new Kiwi base. Even token Aussies in the team will feel right at home . F1 of sailing will become the Fast and Furious of sailing. Gen facebook has arived.

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 07:01 AM

Kim, im keen, even have a Kiwi passport ;)

Stuff Team NZ with their professionalism, great design team, awesome builders and super sailors.  Im sure we can share someone’s copyright design, slap a few sailing Anarchy barfly’s on the back of the boat as tactician and win this thing while demonstrating we can drink way more beer than the opposition.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 07:08 AM

Kim DotCom...quite a character. Didn't he basically purchase his NZ citizenship?

 

The guy seems like a very smart and fun guy to be around socially, but his total disregard for laws would have to be a concern. I think LE would love every minute of it, but odds of lawyers and the feds not getting involved might give TNZ serious pause.

 

This guy is a borderline criminal in the way that the founder of Napster is, except Kim has a long history of actual criminal convictions preceding Mega upload. The other side is, he is a big proponent of internet freedom which plays pretty well, especially in the current political climate.

 

He is an interesting guy, but if he sets foot in the US he will be arrested. He is basically the entertainment industries #1 enemy.

 

The flip side is, The NZ government might just be more likely to fund ETNZ if the alternative is having Kim be the face behind their Cup team.

 

He's not a citizen. He has residence status. A bit like a Green Card in the US (if they still have those).

>>>>>The guy seems like a very smart and fun guy to be around socially, but his total disregard for laws would have to be a concern.<<<<<

 

Sounds perfect for the AC :)

 

I'm sorry I'll take that back



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 08:40 AM

My mate is his next door neigbour, he really is a genuine nice guy who just wants to get on with being a kiwi.

 

He strikes me as being a damned fine Kiwi.

Seems to genuinely love the country and wants to advance its cause.

 

The US Government simultaneously put forward his extradition papers plus SOPA.

Unfortunately for the US Govt, SOPA was put down and without it they have no case against DotCom.

 

DotCom's biggest sin isn't copyright infringement, it is not being born an American.

I can go onto YouTube and view almost any Hollywood movie no problem and yet the US Govt does nothing to them.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 08:45 AM

Mega New Zealand would be a good team name

 

that's the most stupid name I can think anyone could suggest :-)

 

It would make far more sense to call it Team New Zealand Dot Com.

 

You save the mega for something else.  Like the "Mega Pie warmers"  A bloke this size, one must assume he is indeed the one who ate all the pies after all.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 08:56 AM

 

 

 

Kim Dotcom has thrown his weight behind a future Team New Zealand America's Cup challenge.

 

damning_review_of_govt_s_spy_agency_3.jp

 

 

Classic.

 

 

Ha!!! beat you to it.  But you get bonus points for the image.

 

Any relation to ED's favourite guy,Dan Meyers by any chance?

 

Dan_Meyers3.jpg

 

Belly Flop Contest.

 

Place your bets, gentlemen.

it would certainly be a good reason to keep those Pie Warmers!!



#38 Cavandish

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 09:54 AM

My mate is his next door neigbour, he really is a genuine nice guy who just wants to get on with being a kiwi.

 

He strikes me as being a damned fine Kiwi.

Seems to genuinely love the country and wants to advance its cause.

 

The US Government simultaneously put forward his extradition papers plus SOPA.

Unfortunately for the US Govt, SOPA was put down and without it they have no case against DotCom.

 

DotCom's biggest sin isn't copyright infringement, it is not being born an American.

I can go onto YouTube and view almost any Hollywood movie no problem and yet the US Govt does nothing to them.

 

SOPA was a piece of shit bill, but, without turning this into PA, Kim has been convicted for NUMEROUS crimes well before Megaupload.

 

For those unfamiliar with Mega, think napster (the original one) or IRC back in the late 90's when they were awesome, if unethical.

 

I'm not defending the attempted extradition, but Kim has quite a history behind him. That said i would rather sail with him than Mr. Myers any day.

 

If he were American, he would have been in court on charges.

 

It would be very entertaining though, but it would be up to the team. As Dalton might say "It's not up to me"

 

Image linked to good article on the guy;

 

mega-kimble-intro-4f20382-intro.jpg



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 09:59 AM

Dotcom became a target because his site was so damned good.  Now it's even better.

 

It is one of hundreds of locker sites that do nothing illegal, and in fact are great tools for the public to use.  I use Mega all the time to move sailing videos around more quickly and cleanly than Dropbox, Weshare, or anything else (now that Facebook bought and destroyed Drop.IO).

 

Uploaders are breaking the law - not site owners.  I would fucking love to see a Dotcom-sponsored ETNZ boat in a battle against the US team.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:09 AM

 

My mate is his next door neigbour, he really is a genuine nice guy who just wants to get on with being a kiwi.

 

He strikes me as being a damned fine Kiwi.

Seems to genuinely love the country and wants to advance its cause.

 

The US Government simultaneously put forward his extradition papers plus SOPA.

Unfortunately for the US Govt, SOPA was put down and without it they have no case against DotCom.

 

DotCom's biggest sin isn't copyright infringement, it is not being born an American.

I can go onto YouTube and view almost any Hollywood movie no problem and yet the US Govt does nothing to them.

 

SOPA was a piece of shit bill, but, without turning this into PA, Kim has been convicted for NUMEROUS crimes well before Megaupload.

 

For those unfamiliar with Mega, think napster (the original one) or IRC back in the late 90's when they were awesome, if unethical.

 

I'm not defending the attempted extradition, but Kim has quite a history behind him. That said i would rather sail with him than Mr. Myers any day.

 

If he were American, he would have been in court on charges.

 

It would be very entertaining though, but it would be up to the team. As Dalton might say "It's not up to me"

 

Image linked to good article on the guy;

 

mega-kimble-intro-4f20382-intro.jpg

 

I agree with some but not all.

 

If DotCom was an American he would be Larry Page or Sergey Brinn, since these guys are doing the same thing with YouTube but more blatantly.

Yes, he has a colourful history but that doesn't imply guilt in this case.

 

So far in this copyright extradition fiasco,DotCom is just about the ONLY one who has acted with any sense of honour.

Both the US & NZ Governments have acted like arseholes.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:41 AM

I agree with some but not all.

 

If DotCom was an American he would be Larry Page or Sergey Brinn, since these guys are doing the same thing with YouTube but more blatantly.

Yes, he has a colourful history but that doesn't imply guilt in this case.

 

So far in this copyright extradition fiasco,DotCom is just about the ONLY one who has acted with any sense of honour.

Both the US & NZ Governments have acted like arseholes.

 

Youtube spent their days in court under similar (really the same) charges...Kim hasn't.

 

I'm not passing judgement here, just noting the clouds on the horizon.

 

Kim isn't getting singled out for being foreign, the lawyers of viacom/UMC ect. can smell money, even a crossed oceans. Viacom sued google/youtube for 1 Billion, yeah A BILLION US Dollars.  A product of success, sure, ill gotten success is what the lawyers would argue against him, just as they did to Shaun Fanning and Google/youtube!

 

His service is indeed nice, as Clean noted and is used legitimately more often than not.

 

Kim vs Larry wouldn't stir so much vitriol, now Larry Ellison vs Larry Page on the other hand lol.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:59 AM

Sure!  Get Kim!

Emirates and all those blue ribband sponsors will just love being associated with Kim. Perfect brand match......



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:07 AM

The whole concept of why tnz needs a kim dotcom suggest the AC is heading in the wrong direction

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 11:23 AM

Dotcom became a target because his site was so damned good.  Now it's even better.

 

It is one of hundreds of locker sites that do nothing illegal, and in fact are great tools for the public to use.  I use Mega all the time to move sailing videos around more quickly and cleanly than Dropbox, Weshare, or anything else (now that Facebook bought and destroyed Drop.IO).

 

Uploaders are breaking the law - not site owners.  I would fucking love to see a Dotcom-sponsored ETNZ boat in a battle against the US team.

 

Of course you'd love to see Dotcom in the game, and you'll be the first guy to run over to him and offer your services.  It's a good fit for you.

 

But don't get your hopes up too high.  There is zero chance a Kim Dotcom funded team is going to be allowed to enter AC 35.  Why would a team funded by Larry Ellison want a guy like Dotcom in the game when his very business is based upon the theft of Oracle clients products?



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 02:13 PM

Otherwise known as Crim Dotcon


Alcatraz will be the new Kiwi base. Even token Aussies in the team will feel right at home . F1 of sailing will become the Fast and Furious of sailing. Gen facebook has arived.

 

Now that's funny.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 02:28 PM

Mega New Zealand would be a good team name

 

I would LOVE to hear TeKootie blather on about the honor and integrity of Team Mega New Zealand.



#47 burbanite

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 05:40 PM

Otherwise known as Crim Dotcon


Alcatraz will be the new Kiwi base. Even token Aussies in the team will feel right at home . F1 of sailing will become the Fast and Furious of sailing. Gen facebook has arived.

 

Nailed it.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 05:51 PM

But don't get your hopes up too high.  There is zero chance a Kim Dotcom funded team is going to be allowed to enter AC 35.  Why would a team funded by Larry Ellison want a guy like Dotcom in the game when his very business is based upon the theft of Oracle clients products?

I have no idea how you could draft language in the forthcoming Protocol to make that even possible. 



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:05 PM

But don't get your hopes up too high.  There is zero chance a Kim Dotcom funded team is going to be allowed to enter AC 35.  Why would a team funded by Larry Ellison want a guy like Dotcom in the game when his very business is based upon the theft of Oracle clients products?

I have no idea how you could draft language in the forthcoming Protocol to make that even possible. 

 

Easy...wouldn't be pretty, but something like "the defender reserves the right to disqualifiy any team who brings with them a sponsor whose business is built up on the theft of others property".

 

Basically...the same sort of thing as the Dalton ballgag rule.  And we know how well that worked out...;)



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:08 PM

 

But don't get your hopes up too high.  There is zero chance a Kim Dotcom funded team is going to be allowed to enter AC 35.  Why would a team funded by Larry Ellison want a guy like Dotcom in the game when his very business is based upon the theft of Oracle clients products?

I have no idea how you could draft language in the forthcoming Protocol to make that even possible. 

 

Easy...wouldn't be pretty, but something like "the defender reserves the right to disqualifiy any team who brings with them a sponsor whose business is built up on the theft of others property".

 

Basically...the same sort of thing as the Dalton ballgag rule.  And we know how well that worked out... ;)

That is an unworkable standard. How would you define "built upon," "theft," and "property"? Even if you put a standard like that in, a second year associate could draft a shell corporation funded entirely by borrowings from a major bank that would get around that in a heartbeat.



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:12 PM

 

 

But don't get your hopes up too high.  There is zero chance a Kim Dotcom funded team is going to be allowed to enter AC 35.  Why would a team funded by Larry Ellison want a guy like Dotcom in the game when his very business is based upon the theft of Oracle clients products?

I have no idea how you could draft language in the forthcoming Protocol to make that even possible. 

 

Easy...wouldn't be pretty, but something like "the defender reserves the right to disqualifiy any team who brings with them a sponsor whose business is built up on the theft of others property".

 

Basically...the same sort of thing as the Dalton ballgag rule.  And we know how well that worked out... ;)

That is an unworkable standard. How would you define "built upon," "theft," and "property"? Even if you put a standard like that in, a second year associate could draft a shell corporation funded entirely by borrowings from a major bank that would get around that in a heartbeat.

 

Like I said, it wouldn't be pretty.  Maybe they will  add some sort moral turpitude clause, and/or require vetting along the lines of the Patriot Act for the source of funds for a team.

 

How many international level sponsors want to be involved in an event where the likes of Kim Dotcom are present?  



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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:48 PM

If Ellison wants to retain the spectacle but also make sure there are a decent number of challengers then I don't think he can afford to get too precious about where the challengers get their funds from.

 

My suggestion is that he funds a trust for the challengers that matches their own fund raising dollar for dollar.



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Posted 28 September 2013 - 12:17 AM

 Maybe they will  add some sort moral turpitude clause, and/or require vetting along the lines of the Patriot Act for the source of funds for a team.

Perfect. A quasi-governmental hearing before the GGYC jury before you enter the Cup.  Sounds like a great way to get another 3 entries for AC35!



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Posted 28 September 2013 - 12:25 AM

Maybe the Dotfat guy could team up with Michael Fay.

 

Fay could teach him a few things about staying out of prison.



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Posted 28 September 2013 - 01:47 AM

Maybe the Dotfat guy could team up with Michael Fay.

 

Fay could teach him a few things about staying out of prison.

 

 

That is funny!

 

And insightful.



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Posted 28 September 2013 - 01:52 AM

I would LOVE to hear TeKootie blather on about the honor and integrity of Team Mega New Zealand.

 

Am going to dinner with a beautiful girl.

 

Will blather on later.

 

However, in short, I can say this.

 

Larry needs to hire Kim Dotcom's PR people.

 

He is a clever lad.



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Posted 28 September 2013 - 02:09 AM

Larry doesn't need PR.

 

He's to old and having too much fun to give a shit what anybody thinks.



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Posted 28 September 2013 - 02:15 AM

 Maybe they will  add some sort moral turpitude clause, and/or require vetting along the lines of the Patriot Act for the source of funds for a team.

Perfect. A quasi-governmental hearing before the GGYC jury before you enter the Cup.  Sounds like a great way to get another 3 entries for AC35!

 

 

Only in your world would you think a having a scumbag like Dotcom as part of the America's Cup would be a good thing to attract other teams.  Who else do you want a team principle/sponsor - Columbian blow manufacturers?



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Posted 28 September 2013 - 08:59 AM

I can't say if this information is just about creating buzz for Kim Dotcom or anything else, but it would be fun to see a catch-race opposing KD, king of illegal internet fighting LE, king of legal internet. The dark side of the force vs the light side ?.

Nothing related to sailing of course, just a matter of bringing more revenues to lawyers !



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Posted 29 September 2013 - 06:12 PM

Having occasionally worked for the yellow press, I appreciate jaunty writing.   Although Clean is a wanker, the following is a good piece of writing:

 

"In other news, NZ digital hooligan and billionaire Kim Dotcom (who founded the slickest and sexiest filesharing and piracy host on the web and essentially bought his citizenship in Kiwilandia) has thrown his support behind a TNZ challenge. While Dotcom is a polarizing figure at best, he’s got a few spare millions lying around, especially now that he has beaten the crap out of the US effort to imprison him for piracy. Dotcom wants to screw America, and this could be a great way to do it. With the NZ government unlikely to throw much cash into another Dalton-led challenge, Dotcom’s inclusion could be both poetic and a NZ challenge’s only chance, despite, as the Ed announced earlier, the creepiness of the dude."



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Posted 29 September 2013 - 06:16 PM

Why thanks kooti.



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Posted 29 September 2013 - 06:17 PM

 

 Maybe they will  add some sort moral turpitude clause, and/or require vetting along the lines of the Patriot Act for the source of funds for a team.

Perfect. A quasi-governmental hearing before the GGYC jury before you enter the Cup.  Sounds like a great way to get another 3 entries for AC35!

 

 

Only in your world would you think a having a scumbag like Dotcom as part of the America's Cup would be a good thing to attract other teams.  Who else do you want a team principle/sponsor - Columbian blow manufacturers?

That would be awesome, but they don't need to do much marketing.  The product sells itself.



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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:01 PM

Why thanks te kooti.

 

The punchline is the notion of Dotcom as "creepy dude."

 

Some of my relatives (the prettier ones) have been to parties at his place. "To make up ther numbers," he says.

 

I have a strong aversion to dodgy characters buying a NZ passport.  After all, I had to endure an awful NZ high school to reach adulthood and qualify for a passport! 

 

Hence, I was not impressed to see this man pop up in the Coatesville supermarket. 

 

And, because my own writing gets stolen off the Internet, I am not a fan of "upload" sites like his.

 

However, since landing in NZ, he has proven to be quite a character. 

 

He provides free ice cream at summer beaches, pays for fireworks shows and puts money into worthwhile local causes. However, he also bankrolled John Banks - a far right politician (former Mayor of Auckland and now Member of Parliament - but not for much longer). 

 

Giving $$$ to Banks was not smart.

 

Like Larry, Dotcom only thinks strategically and the fact he funded Banks is, in my view, a major drawback.

 

However, he is working hard at being kiwi and has skilled advisers.

 

He is not boring.  Because I like interesting people I have to confess I have abandoned my earlier hardline opposition to him.

 

If Comrade Kim was to give the $$$$ to someone else (e.g. Te Kooti) I would then hand it over to Dalts.  It can be in any curency.  Euros, renminbi, HK dollars - whatever!

 

If you think back to the Raoul Gardini and beyond, you  find dodgy money in the AC.   Even Larry accepts $$$ from the CIA - the outfit that brought you weapons of mass destruction, an unnecessary war, and death of hundreds of thousands of civilians.   I am afraid to say Oracle software runs numerous systems deployed for unsavoury purposes. 

 

So yes, Comrade Dotcom is a "creepy" (even dodgy)  dude.  But money is money.

 

Besides, the thought  of Grant and Dotcom in the same room is hilarious!



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Posted 30 September 2013 - 04:39 AM

Kim Dotcom summoned to appear in court over the John Banks donation.

 

http://www.nzherald....jectid=11132390



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:50 AM

Dotcom to approach Team NZ over funding

4:07 PM Thursday Oct 3, 2013

By Patrice Dougan 

 

Internet entrepreneur Kim Dotcom plans to approach Team New Zealand next week to discuss funding an America's Cup challenge.
 
However, the Mega millionaire said he does not intend to be the sole sponsor of the team. Instead he plans to "convince'' the Mega board to donate towards the bid, as well as fundraise for the team.
 
"I definitely want to support Team NZ, but I'm waiting for everyone to just chill for a moment, I'm sure they're going through a phase of depression after this loss,'' he said.
 
"But in about a week I want to start reaching out, and I'll do that with a business partner of mine, and a friend of mine, who has supported Team New Zealand in the past and will facilitate meetings after that.''
 
cont'd


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Posted 03 October 2013 - 04:39 AM

He provides free ice cream at summer beaches, pays for fireworks shows and puts money into worthwhile local causes.

 

 

Only a dyed in the wool Liberal could possibly think that these qualifications would allow an individual with obvious serious character flaws the right to even fleetingly entertain thoughts of being associated with a team representing a country.



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:20 AM

People seem to forget...

People used his site for illegal things, He didn't steal movies and sell them... People used his (which is by far the best of its kind) website to upload and distribute legal and illegal material, so what the hell!

Bring on     MEGA TEAM NEW ZEALAND

 

Plus we all love sailing, we want to see this continue, and he gets his name in their new webpage - megaTNZ.com



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:30 AM

 .

 

But don't get your hopes up too high.  There is zero chance a Kim Dotcom funded team is going to be allowed to enter AC 35.  Why would a team funded by Larry Ellison want a guy like Dotcom in the game when his very business is based upon the theft of Oracle clients products?


 

Oracle's clients are porn studios?  Woah, eye opener there.



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 05:42 AM

He provides free ice cream at summer beaches, pays for fireworks shows and puts money into worthwhile local causes.

 

 

Only a dyed in the wool Liberal could possibly think that these qualifications would allow an individual with obvious serious character flaws the right to even fleetingly entertain thoughts of being associated with a team representing a country.

 

Can you imagine what a troll like ta koodie/hastings would say about kim dotfatcom if he were to support OR ?

 

Hard to imagine how many threads he would start over that one. haha



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 11:08 AM

If nothing else, a team backed by a tireless self-promoter like Schmitz would be highly amusing.  Is NZ ready for a gold boat?

 

It would also open the door to an LE-style home-team distate.

 

Bring on Branson with a Virgin-backed UK team and we'll certainly have an AC for the "Facebook crowd."



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 03:39 PM

If nothing else, a team backed by a tireless self-promoter like Schmitz would be highly amusing.  Is NZ ready for a gold boat?

 

It would also open the door to an LE-style home-team distate.

 

Bring on Branson with a Virgin-backed UK team and we'll certainly have an AC for the "Facebook crowd."

 

While we are on the topic of Billionaires with questionable taste, can you imagine what a Trump AC72 would look like?



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 04:29 PM

hey, I don't care where the founde'rs gold come from, respectful or discutable activities.

I just want to see again incredible boats foiling, great crews and sailors match-racing.

wtf is they are Virgin Team UK, Oracle Team US, RedBull Team SW, Megathing Team NZ, or Areva Team FR, as long as they are made or nationals crew, ship and skills ?

Anyway, marketing power is not a sailing skill.



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Posted 03 October 2013 - 04:39 PM

If nothing else, a team backed by a tireless self-promoter like Schmitz would be highly amusing.  Is NZ ready for a gold boat?

 

It would also open the door to an LE-style home-team distate.

 

Bring on Branson with a Virgin-backed UK team and we'll certainly have an AC for the "Facebook crowd."

 

While we are on the topic of Billionaires with questionable taste, can you imagine what a Trump AC72 would look like?

A bling contest between LR and The Donald?  Now all we need is Dolce&Gabbana to enter and the sunglass makers will have a field day...



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Posted 04 October 2013 - 03:39 AM

He provides free ice cream at summer beaches, pays for fireworks shows and puts money into worthwhile local causes.

 

 

Only a dyed in the wool Liberal could possibly think that these qualifications would allow an individual with obvious serious character flaws the right to even fleetingly entertain thoughts of being associated with a team representing a country.

 

Whilst he has certainly had some issues in the past, he has conducted himself impeccably in public so far.

Certainly far better than John Key or any of his cronies.

 

Above all else, he seems genuinely interested in being a New Zealander and promoting its well being.

I'd gladly keep him and send a few of the inhabitants of our prisons overseas if I could.



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Posted 04 October 2013 - 05:47 AM

Above all else, he seems genuinely interested in being a New Zealander and promoting its well being.

I'd gladly keep him and send a few of the inhabitants of our prisons overseas if I could.

 

 

No worries with Kim Dotcom.

 

Give the $$$$ to Te Kooti and he will hand it on to Dalts.

 

Minus the cost of two flat whites at the Portside cafe!



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Posted 04 October 2013 - 08:07 AM

KDC may well be angling to drive a big cat. He spent all day blowing away people at some computer game expo and nailed 100 all-comers in a row with virtual guns and rocket launchers. Must have the reflexes of a cat. Despite looking like Garfield.

He just wants to be a real kiwi....



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 03:44 AM

Kim Dotcom says he will give TNZ time to settle down then go in for a chat.
 
That chat would be worth the price of admission.

Grant and KDC in the same room. Both nursing a flat white.

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 04:00 AM

I'd gladly keep him and send a few of the inhabitants of our prisons overseas if I could.

 

He may well be one of those inhabitants before too long...

 

Leopard/spots.



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 05:11 AM

I'd gladly keep him and send a few of the inhabitants of our prisons overseas if I could.

 

He may well be one of those inhabitants before too long...

 

Leopard/spots.

 

Dotcom's only crime in this case is not being an American.

Larry & Sergey commit the same crime every day via YouTube.

Go on there and check out how many copyright infringements are there. You might be surprised, but I doubt it.

 

I suspect rather you have been hoodwinked by the US Govt's spin machine. Time to come back to NZ for a few years and let some of the Kool Aid work out of your system.



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 05:36 AM

Turns out the NZ taxpayer has contributed $98 million to The Hobbit (so far).

 

So, at one-third of this, the TNZ investment was a very good deal.

 

 http://www.nzherald....jectid=11135094



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 05:43 AM

Turns out the NZ taxpayer has contributed $98 million to The Hobbit (so far).

 

So, at one-third of this, the TNZ investment was a very good deal.

 

 http://www.nzherald....jectid=11135094

For a losing camaign that's great.



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 06:01 AM

Turns out the NZ taxpayer has contributed $98 million to The Hobbit (so far).

 

So, at one-third of this, the TNZ investment was a very good deal.

 

 http://www.nzherald....jectid=11135094

For a losing camaign that's great.

At least The Hobbit will return the loan after an agreed return as funds roll in = Estimated Grossing Amount: $1.15 Billion!!

What are the repayment plans by ETNZ, or do they just plan on spending more ?



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 06:12 AM

 

Turns out the NZ taxpayer has contributed $98 million to The Hobbit (so far).

 

So, at one-third of this, the TNZ investment was a very good deal.

 

 http://www.nzherald....jectid=11135094

For a losing camaign that's great.

At least The Hobbit will return the loan after an agreed return as funds roll in = Estimated Grossing Amount: $1.15 Billion!!

What are the repayment plans by ETNZ, or do they just plan on spending more ?

How about zero.



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 05:22 PM

What are the repayment plans by ETNZ, or do they just plan on spending more ?

 

Mate ... because the regatta ended up longer than expected they have repaid the govt. many times over.

 

The accountants at treasury tend to count things like Internet hits, news items published, etc etc.

 

The govt. has received hundreds of millions on their investment of only $36 mill.



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 06:54 PM

What are the repayment plans by ETNZ, or do they just plan on spending more ?

 

Mate ... because the regatta ended up longer than expected they have repaid the govt. many times over.

 

The accountants at treasury tend to count things like Internet hits, news items published, etc etc.

 

The govt. has received hundreds of millions on their investment of only $36 mill.

 

That's excellent news. Given that rate of return, the govt. should have no problem funding the next effort to the hilt. The team doesn't even need to win!



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 01:41 AM

Besides which I dont think they have given his money back yet.

 

prezewming 'they' is the NZ government, they coud just giv it strait to TNZ and clame the credit.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 02:27 AM

What are the repayment plans by ETNZ, or do they just plan on spending more ?

 

Mate ... because the regatta ended up longer than expected they have repaid the govt. many times over.

 

The accountants at treasury tend to count things like Internet hits, news items published, etc etc.

 

The govt. has received hundreds of millions on their investment of only $36 mill.

 

And what facts do you base this on ?



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 03:15 AM

 

What are the repayment plans by ETNZ, or do they just plan on spending more ?

 

Mate ... because the regatta ended up longer than expected they have repaid the govt. many times over.

 

The accountants at treasury tend to count things like Internet hits, news items published, etc etc.

 

The govt. has received hundreds of millions on their investment of only $36 mill.

 

And what facts do you base this on ?

You dont have be a genius to realise that the governments investment has been well worth it.  

 

The sheer fact that Oracle spent $147 millions dollars with CBC would have resulted in a massive return in company tax and income tax alone let alone the stimulation to the economic as a result, employment creation, development of technology etc.    

 

ETNZ spent $100 million and most of that was spent in NZ on New Zealand companies and development of technology.  There are literally hundreds of contractors and suppliers that exist in NZ as a direct result of Americas Cup development.  

 

And then there is the trade and enterprise aspects, tourism, export that all benefited from the Kiwi presence in SF.  

 

Although i dont know the exact figures nor will we ever really know, it is a no brainer to realise that the $36 million was well spent regardless of the AC result.   

 

The government bent over backwards (rightfully) to retain the hobbit in NZ and i can tell you that cost the tax payer alot more than $36 million but equally was money well spent in jobs, tourism and industry development.  



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:00 AM

Although i dont know the exact figures nor will we ever really know, it is a no brainer to realise that the $36 million was well spent regardless of the AC result.   

 

The government bent over backwards (rightfully) to retain the hobbit in NZ and i can tell you that cost the tax payer alot more than $36 million but equally was money well spent in jobs, tourism and industry development.  

 

The Hobbit - $98million last report I had.



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 06:08 PM

Is KIM's Money HOT ???

 

like if assets, Say TNZ's Boats etc came to the US

 

could they be Seized as coming from an alleged criminal enterprise ?   



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 08:41 PM

Dotcom wants tech battle against Oracle

http://www.stuff.co....-against-Oracle

 

 

(includes some video of him talking)



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 11:17 PM

^^

 

In other words....Mega....Dotcom....Me....Mega...Dotcom....Me....nothing.



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 11:37 PM

^ Yep, it is kinda funny what he said there, the strange background going on behind him was perfect :)

But it sounds like he's good getting taken for a couple mill, and I expect GD will convince him into that and then some.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 12:13 AM

Maybe Dalton can convince mega to eat Larry.



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:44 AM

 

 

What are the repayment plans by ETNZ, or do they just plan on spending more ?

 

Mate ... because the regatta ended up longer than expected they have repaid the govt. many times over.

 

The accountants at treasury tend to count things like Internet hits, news items published, etc etc.

 

The govt. has received hundreds of millions on their investment of only $36 mill.

 

And what facts do you base this on ?

You dont have be a genius to realise that the governments investment has been well worth it.  

 

The sheer fact that Oracle spent $147 millions dollars with CBC would have resulted in a massive return in company tax and income tax alone let alone the stimulation to the economic as a result, employment creation, development of technology etc.    

 

This explains why grumpy hates RC so much and sabotaged him at the charity dinner.

 

It all makes sense now.



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 02:20 AM

Maybe Dalton can convince mega to eat Larry.

 

He's eaten everything else, Larry may be the only thing left to eat.



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 04:46 PM

from http://i.stuff.co.nz...m-Team-NZ-offer
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Key, Joyce not keen on Dotcom Team NZ offer
Last updated 05:00 03/11/2013

DUNCAN JOHNSTONE, KIRSTY JOHNSTON AND SIMON PLUMB

The Government has snubbed internet entrepreneur Kim Dotcom's offer to help fund Team New Zealand's next America's Cup challenge, describing the million-dollar offer as "a PR campaign to stay in New Zealand".

But Team NZ appears to be taking Dotcom's offer seriously. It even sought approval from Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce to meet Dotcom after his offers of seven-figure donations and technological backing for another America's Cup campaign - to take on American software billionaire Larry Ellison and his reigning Oracle team.
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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:05 AM

Rumor has it (came from clean actually) that Kim Dot Fatcom was going to team up with Dan Meyers as the two biggest heavy hitters behind the ET AC35 campaign, however wheatbix immediately backed out because they didn't have the production capacity to feed the team and sponsors with donations in kind without also killing their revenue stream.

 

Ta Koodie has offered to mediate an agreement with all parties, based on the taniwha also getting a share of the wheatbix. An agreement may not be possible, however if Kim Dot Fatcom and Dan Meyers both eat the entire tainwah population to secure all the wheatbix, which would likely reduce ET's chances of winning AC35 anyway.

 

Ta Koodie was not available for comment, however, and is believed to be holed up in a cave in China without an internet connection. Kia Ora reports that Hastings is not expected to emerge unless and until grumpy announces an AC35 challenge.



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 08:26 AM

Personally I think Kim Dotcom is a perfect fit for the Cup, which has a history of eccentric billionaire competitors (even though he probably isn't a billionaire).

It is kind of ironic that the US's NSA has been breaking (digital) laws all over the world without legal consequences, but destroy someone who allegedly copied some videos.

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Posted 04 November 2013 - 05:26 PM


If nothing else, a team backed by a tireless self-promoter like Schmitz would be highly amusing.  Is NZ ready for a gold boat?
 
It would also open the door to an LE-style home-team distate.
 
Bring on Branson with a Virgin-backed UK team and we'll certainly have an AC for the "Facebook crowd."

 
While we are on the topic of Billionaires with questionable taste, can you imagine what a Trump AC72 would look like?
Red velvet sailing gear, hair pieces glued on to the helmets... It'd be awesome!




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