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#1 torpenboat

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 08:47 AM

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and more here

https://www.youtube....d&v=WRFKATQvRe8

and here

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Posted 12 October 2013 - 02:13 PM

Thanks for posting the pics.  Is that the prologue (nr 1)?  ST went down with our latest client (new proto for 2015) and did some deep recon.  We attending a few of the meeting discussing (in French) the next moves in measurement and class rules.  

 

The album(s) of our time there can be found on the ST Facebook page.  https://www.facebook...85230815&type=1

 

A few previews:

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Ugly Americans

 

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Race Village

 

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A big shout out to Jeremy Palmer (right) who helped us understand both language and subtleties in rig layouts.

 

1399423_10151992973445815_419122956_o.jpLocating the keel on 747 (even 2 years later one of the cleanest, best prepared boats)



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Posted 12 October 2013 - 02:37 PM

I would be remiss in not mentioning that our series design, hull 713 is also going across the Atlantic on a different course and mission.

 

https://twitter.com/Tropic4Cancer

https://www.facebook.com/Tropic4Cancer

 

We wish Richard the best of luck.

 

Meanwhile in California, 714 is undergoing an extensive refit and upgrade.  712 is sailing happily in Netherlands.



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Posted 12 October 2013 - 04:49 PM

Thanks for posting the pics.  Is that the prologue (nr 1)?  ST went down with our latest client (new proto for 2015) and did some deep recon.  We attending a few of the meeting discussing (in French) the next moves in measurement and class rules.  

 

The album(s) of our time there can be found on the ST Facebook page.  https://www.facebook...85230815&type=1

 

A few previews:

1396766_10151992973515815_1936480252_o.j

Ugly Americans

 

1292257_10151992973820815_834408439_o.jp

Race Village

 

893825_10151992974215815_436553592_o.jpg

A big shout out to Jeremy Palmer (right) who helped us understand both language and subtleties in rig layouts.

 

1399423_10151992973445815_419122956_o.jpLocating the keel on 747 (even 2 years later one of the cleanest, best prepared boats)

Ah, the karate-chop method of yacht design.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 01:47 AM

Don't let my stoopid comment be the end of this thread, please, please, please post more pictures from Duarnenez.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 08:07 AM

I'm going to head out there next weekend.  So I'll post some next week (we were going to drive out this weekend, but got news that it was going to be postponed so we postponed)



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:00 AM

thanks Doug

now let's go and make the best mini rig of the universe 



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:04 PM

Snippets of data from YW and SW

 

http://www.yachtingw...qlZYsG44YzGl.01

http://www.sailingwo...nes-mini-dreams

 

Touches slightly on the third rail of minidom - what does your boat weigh?



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:20 PM

Next possible Start Oppty is sunday



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:21 AM

OK FDIB,

 

let's begin with what we saw in Douarnenez.  The only  "new" proto this year is 850:

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two curved spreader, DSK 90 rope rigging?, cathedral, moderate ~10 deg sweep, small topmast above hounds, no extra backstay for gybing, moderate outboard runner position ~ 90cm

 

Compare that with say 800:

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single curved spreader, basically masthead, cathedral +extra D2 (afterthought?), also swept maybe a bit less, no extra rigging for gybing?, same rudder position outboard



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:29 AM

Next we have 754, Manuards:

 

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totally inline with 1 curved spreader, cathedral + extra D2 (afterthought!), well and truly masthead, with extra rudder for gybes, PBO rigging, and interesting mast base (though not sliding)

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Compare this to the 787, also Manuard:

 

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2 totally inline, straight spreaders, I think PBO, not cathedral, no extra Ds, pretty sure also with gybing runner system, looks like a smaller distance of deflection at masthead, and a mast base lowered to exactly chainplate height.

 

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So, FDIB, if you can pick and choose from the various ideas, what do you think?  We pretty much agreed the 787 as one of the best rigs, but the single spreader layout, curved, and swept all allow for a bigger solent.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:59 AM

I would do a mix of 787 and 754 and clean up on the aero drag:

- single inline spreader (curved for that all important extra 0.01m2 of solent area)

- slighty fractional to induce bend with the topmast backstay

- reduce number of diagonals and rely a bit more on sideways tube stiffness

- go for continuous carbon rigging

- invent a clever backstay system to make the mast gybe proof

 

I can't claim yet that this would be better than a conventional 2 spreader rig but I'm working on it.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:09 AM

I would do a mix of 787 and 754 and clean up on the aero drag:

- single inline spreader (curved for that all important extra 0.01m2 of solent area)

- slighty fractional to induce bend with the topmast backstay

- reduce number of diagonals and rely a bit more on sideways tube stiffness

- go for continuous carbon rigging

- invent a clever backstay system to make the mast gybe proof

 

I can't claim yet that this would be better than a conventional 2 spreader rig but I'm working on it.

 

 

I would think there is an argument for just two strand the first element, so old school continuous.  Or are you thinking "branching"?

Carbon is great, but it is going to cost dearly, I reckon.  

I would add that the mast foot like 787 right down at chainplates is a key benefit to rig rake without any change in tension or stability.

The curves spreader gets more area than that, as it changes the angle of the leech, not just its fore-aft position.

I kind of liked your deflected runner idea.  Why not if we are deflecting headstay and backstay up on the mast!?

 

Keep thinking!



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:28 AM

At the risk of sounding stupid... what do you mean by "cathedral"?



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:16 AM

Ok, it is a bit of a misuse of the word.  A cathedral rig is one that has 2 top elements, one going to support the hounds laterally (headstay location) and one going further up (usally masthead) to support say a code 0 laterally.

 

In this case I mean that there are two such top elements.  But in a mini with a deflected headstay arrangement, the location of the hounds is actually the higher point.

 

Make sense?

 

EDIT: FDIB can you confirm?  Now that I think about it, I remember that cathedral rigs sometimes are also ones with a spreader at the hounds height (not a jumper) and therefore providing masthead support, though it is not "2 top elements".  What is the proper definition?



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:23 AM

I would do a mix of 787 and 754 and clean up on the aero drag:

- single inline spreader (curved for that all important extra 0.01m2 of solent area)

- slighty fractional to induce bend with the topmast backstay

- reduce number of diagonals and rely a bit more on sideways tube stiffness

- go for continuous carbon rigging

- invent a clever backstay system to make the mast gybe proof

 

I can't claim yet that this would be better than a conventional 2 spreader rig but I'm working on it.

 

It occurs to me that I did not note the fact is 787 has the D1 outboard, really cutting into the useful solent size.  The single spreader setup makes more sense to me IF one can keep the D1 inboard.

 

When you look at 754 the D1 is inboard.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:35 AM

yeah cathedral for me is as you put it: one extra D up to the masthead, then if the boat has narrow chainplates, an extra set of spreaders is required at the hounds to keep a sufficient upper D angle to the mast.

on wide chainplate boats (mini IMOCA etc.) the spreader below the hounds is long enough not to require an extra set at the hounds.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 10:42 AM

and yes, i would definitely go as much inboard as possible with the D1



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 12:46 PM

thanks.. next dumb question.  What do you mean by "deflected headstay"... do you mean the headstay exiting the mast from the side rather than inline in front?  What benefit would 3cm-6cm at the masthead have?

 

BTW I'm asking to educate myself.  i have a goal of doing the 2017 run (would love to aim for 2015 but the financing isn't realistic)



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 01:25 PM

BB, 

 

The headstay is attached at the mast head, but it can be pulled into the mast about 1.5 m down from that point to allow smaller sails, notably the high wind spinnaker.  See the 754 rig above.

 

Youtube video of 802 using this



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 03:04 PM

Would you have to let any rig tension off to get that effect? And are there any halyards exiting at that point already? Seems it would be difficult to keep rig tension on while deflecting the headstay, even while running downwind 

 

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BB, 

 

The headstay is attached at the mast head, but it can be pulled into the mast about 1.5 m down from that point to allow smaller sails, notably the high wind spinnaker.  See the 754 rig above.

 

Youtube video of 802 using this



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:08 PM

Would you have to let any rig tension off to get that effect? And are there any halyards exiting at that point already? Seems it would be difficult to keep rig tension on while deflecting the headstay, even while running downwind 

 

HW

BB, 

 

The headstay is attached at the mast head, but it can be pulled into the mast about 1.5 m down from that point to allow smaller sails, notably the high wind spinnaker.  See the 754 rig above.

 

Youtube video of 802 using this

 

No, no reason to release rig tension of that.  I think you have hit on the reason for no spreader sweep and the pivot of the mast right down at the height of the chainplates.  This decouples the lateral rig tension from the fore-aft rigging.  The headstay is adjusted and/or deflected to alter rake, and the runners are pulled on to support it.  The babystay and checkstay are used to induce/limit mast bend.  I suppose that the rigs with a bit of sweep may behave a bit less than ideally.  But they likely just put a really big purchase on the headstay adjustment down low and live with a bit of tension lost compared to in line.

 

Really the inline spreaders and rake adjustment is nothing new, just makes gybing single handed a bit ... special.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:27 PM

OK so the forestay makes sense.  Its kinda liike what the 5ohs do with their trap twings

 

Other than the need to absolutely have the runners on, is there any other issue in gybing that I'm missing?

 

BTW I'm going to drive out tomorrow with my camera.  Apparently we have company on Sunday (and I'm the designated cook)



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Posted 26 October 2013 - 05:45 PM

Not looking good

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Posted 26 October 2013 - 06:40 PM

I think you would have to be nearly suicidal to set out across the bay of biscay this weekend.

 

i'm seeing low of ~965-967mb

 

seas will be enormous in the bay



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 01:48 PM

Looks like there is a gap behind and that they will finally start Tuesday morning.



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Posted 27 October 2013 - 07:17 PM

here's hoping.  Might do something stupid and drive there and back tomorrow.



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 03:46 PM

Code Vert!!! Departure within 24 hrs http://t.co/ZTjexBWxyg



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 04:57 PM

Code Vert!!! Departure within 24 hrs http://t.co/ZTjexBWxyg

 

looks like by ~06 UTC tomorrow, the wind veers NW enough to fetch the point west of Douarnez.

 

Then by early wednesday the wind is backing again, eventually going SW as another front approaches, and at some point, they will have to tack on to port to get out of the Bay of Biscay

 

They should start as early as possible..., waves will still be 4-5m but they will mostly be broad reaching.

 

I did a routing in expedition using GFS - it has them at Lanzarotte in 6.5 days

 

here is the route - the different routes are for different departure times - starting at 06 UTC, in increments of 2hrs. red is the earliest start

 

seems like the first big tactical decision will be when to tack...

 

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Posted 28 October 2013 - 09:44 PM

Is there any way of tracking the race? I know these guys are on smallish budgets, but I'm hoping there's still some type of tracking. I couldn't find anything, but I'm hopeful.

 

-MFMG



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 09:53 PM

Tracker should be up once the race starts.

 

http://www.minitransat.fr/



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Posted 28 October 2013 - 11:08 PM

In the past two weeks I've seen all the boats, met most of the guys and towed at least half of the boats from one port to another while waiting for breeze, tide etc.

 

What they're doing is awesome, it's going to be a tough race and they all deserve our support.

 

Kudos to all the guys and girls on the start line tomorrow.



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 01:11 AM

here's the waves they WERE facing but got a weather window through



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 08:33 AM

I just read the front page article.

We are not talking about 15 containers over-board but around 45... a mine field for the Mini Transat and the Jacques Vabre.

Thanks to Maersk-Salina.



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 09:05 AM

here's the waves they WERE facing but got a weather window through



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 09:20 AM

And THEY'RE OFF!!!

 

http://www.minitrans...ation-0?lang=en



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 03:59 PM

I'm not going to jinx anything or mention names, but go America!  It seems the right tool is in the right hands.  



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 04:10 PM

It really does. Great to see some unnamed sailor up there after the bad luck.

 

Shouting for him! 

Pip Hare seems slow surprisingly- let's see how she goes



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 06:17 PM

Anybody know details of teh colision that put such an early end to Horsfield (587) and  Boudinot (791)?

 

Heartbreakingly short race for both of them....



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 08:13 PM

Don't know but it put a hole in Craig's STB side...



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 10:50 PM

From the start videos it looked quite breezy with big sloppy waves.  I've heard repeatedly on these forums that 747 (the scow) would suffer in those conditions, but never from anyone who actually sailed against the boat.  From several mini sailors I've heard it does fine, and from watching the race tracker, it seems to have after the start of this race.  Not that my I know anything beyond "that looks about right", but 747 has broken a lot of my assumptions about hull design.  I'm interested to see how she hangs in there during regular old trade wind sailing to the finish.  



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 11:00 PM

do you have a link to the start video? Can't find it myself! 



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:00 AM

do you have a link to the start video? Can't find it myself! 

 

http://www.dailymoti...t#video=x16kk77



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:09 AM

good to see Jeff out their in the front runners. 747 showing that the scow shape is definitely fast even in heavy seas.



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 08:30 AM

They're putting in a pause in leg on at Sada, north west Spain, near Finisterre. Can't get a break! (Loading the dice against themselves by starting so late not helping, of course.)

 

http://www.minitrans...pause-espagnole

 

 http://www.voilesetv...DnoPWY.facebook



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:12 AM

The scow still holding the lead. I think a win in this race as well when it is in the hands of a different (however maybe just as good) sailor will say alot about the shape and will convince alot of people (myself included). 

 

 

But hey, go Pip! 



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 10:45 AM

They're putting in a pause in leg on at Sada, north west Spain, near Finisterre. Can't get a break! (Loading the dice against themselves by starting so late not helping, of course.)

 

http://www.minitrans...pause-espagnole

 

 http://www.voilesetv...DnoPWY.facebook

It doesn't sounds very fair to me. The "good seamanship" decision was to head as west as possible and those at the west of the fleet are at a disadvantage now. 

 

It looks like 625 had decided to do a "Troussel" (i am not sure it was very wise one TBH but we will never know) and is now assured to finish amongst the lasts.



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 11:40 AM

On a different note, 747 (the scow) is ahead. Considering that they are sailing against the wind, this is unbelievable (to me). If he wins this one all other protos are now obsolete!



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 11:43 AM

don't forget the floating reefs

 

http://www.marineins...-salina-update/



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:19 PM

They're putting in a pause in leg on at Sada, north west Spain, near Finisterre. Can't get a break! (Loading the dice against themselves by starting so late not helping, of course.)

 

http://www.minitrans...pause-espagnole

 

 http://www.voilesetv...DnoPWY.facebook

It doesn't sounds very fair to me. The "good seamanship" decision was to head as west as possible and those at the west of the fleet are at a disadvantage now. 

 

It looks like 625 had decided to do a "Troussel" (i am not sure it was very wise one TBH but we will never know) and is now assured to finish amongst the lasts.

 

well, apparently they were warned at a pre-race briefing that this was a possibility - so a little hedging would have been wise.

 

looking at the track of 625, i think he may have had some kind of issue, as he was actually heading NW for a while.

 

as far as the rest of the fleet, no body has overstood, so i don't think it's a big issue in terms of fairness.., but it is the first time i am aware of such a big distance race changing the course after the start.



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 03:33 PM

It's written, that Annabelle (with right of way) crashed into Craig. That's really a pitty for him. I sailed 3 races with him this year and ... sorry to see this. Fortunately Annabelle was able to restart and let's hope, that she will not have the same amount of trouble, she had durcing the other races of the year (PS, UK-Fastnet etc.)

 

Anybody know details of teh colision that put such an early end to Horsfield (587) and  Boudinot (791)?

 

Heartbreakingly short race for both of them....



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 03:37 PM

Yes, 747 is fast in most conditions but Giancarlo was not able to win all of the races since he took the boat. When the wind is not (most of the time) below 140..130 degr. Gwenole will be able to beat him as he did in most of the races in 2012 and 2013. So - yes, the chance is quite big, that we'll see him 1st in Spain, but it's much different on the way to Gouadeloupe.  

 

On a different note, 747 (the scow) is ahead. Considering that they are sailing against the wind, this is unbelievable (to me). If he wins this one all other protos are now obsolete!



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 04:05 PM

Go the scow. 



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 04:12 PM

I wonder.  if the Scow wins, whether someone will design a Series set of boats with Scow Bows...



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 04:12 PM

Didn't the scow win the last time?



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 04:36 PM

Yes, 747 is fast in most conditions but Giancarlo was not able to win all of the races since he took the boat. When the wind is not (most of the time) below 140..130 degr. Gwenole will be able to beat him as he did in most of the races in 2012 and 2013. So - yes, the chance is quite big, that we'll see him 1st in Spain, but it's much different on the way to Gouadeloupe.  

 

On a different note, 747 (the scow) is ahead. Considering that they are sailing against the wind, this is unbelievable (to me). If he wins this one all other protos are now obsolete!

That's what I'm wondering about.  150 degrees TWA in 12 knots.



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:14 PM

It did, but the question then was "well he's a great sailor so its not clear its the boat"....if it does well this time, particularly in this upwind mode,  it will be seen as a big change



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:24 PM

Also, look at how 198 is doing. 

 

That thing is ancient, very updated but ancient. Have to say that if he even manages to repeat his performance last time round.

 

Anyone know why that guy doesn't have a better boat? 



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 06:09 PM

Because he loves his boat (Picard that is)

 

625 strange course, that was not the area to fool around, Just before the continental shelf/deepwater area...

So i think too, not tactical.



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 06:23 PM

is the position updating on some kind of schedule?



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:40 PM

Jesus. Is this an real ocean race, or a sunday gymkhana? I suppose there's a plan C too?



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Posted 30 October 2013 - 07:56 PM

When you tow the boats, you get a good idea of hull drag. You have to tie the tow line on to a bridle for most boats, especially series ones. Protos are lighter, but still a fair amount of resistance. The scow follows along like a dog on a leash, no drag. There is nothing in the water.

Sailing upwind the boat sits on the rail and has less wetted surface than a conventional boat.

Light air might be a bit more tricky, but the low drag hull has a lot going for it.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 09:21 AM

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Jeffrey MacFarlane (759) was dismasted this morning at 6am (GMT +1). He immediately contacted a freighter by VHF to indicate that all was well on board and to request them to re-retransmit his information to the Race Committee. The PSP Cormoran support vessel is currently heading towards the American skipper and should be in the area by around 9am. More information to follow during the morning on the circumstances of the dismasting.

 

Very sad for him, he did a very good start



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 09:23 AM

Jeffrey MacFarlane dismasted

 

http://www.minitrans...-demate?lang=en



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 10:03 AM

It seemed to be hot and wet last night

http://www.minitrans...re-etape-en-mer



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 10:23 AM

That's nice if you're with a lady, but it ain't no good if you're in the jungle.



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 10:24 AM

Sone of a bitch! That body of water wont let home go! Terrible news.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 01:35 PM

Did Jeff lose his rig last night??



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 02:05 PM

Following the race I was up very early to check the rankings and saw the horrible news. What a terrible string of unfortunate events for MacFarlane.

He sailed a training day with us at Oakcliff a couple/few years ago. Nice guy. Thought it was cool what he was trying to do even before he overcame having to get another boat after his other boat broke around him and he broke his hand. That's ballsy stuff to stand back up and deal with a seemingly impossible timeline to get another boat re-qualified, let alone with a mushed paw.

Crap, crap news this. He was right there in the mix with the leaders as well.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 05:29 PM

 

They're putting in a pause in leg on at Sada, north west Spain, near Finisterre. Can't get a break! (Loading the dice against themselves by starting so late not helping, of course.)

 

http://www.minitrans...pause-espagnole

 

 http://www.voilesetv...DnoPWY.facebook

It doesn't sounds very fair to me. The "good seamanship" decision was to head as west as possible and those at the west of the fleet are at a disadvantage now. 

 

It looks like 625 had decided to do a "Troussel" (i am not sure it was very wise one TBH but we will never know) and is now assured to finish amongst the lasts.

 

well, apparently they were warned at a pre-race briefing that this was a possibility - so a little hedging would have been wise.

 

looking at the track of 625, i think he may have had some kind of issue, as he was actually heading NW for a while.

 

as far as the rest of the fleet, no body has overstood, so i don't think it's a big issue in terms of fairness.., but it is the first time i am aware of such a big distance race changing the course after the start.

625 has lost it's keel and was rescued from a cargo ship. The ship was on it's way to Gouadeloupe, so Henrik will probably be the first one arriving there



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 06:51 PM

cancelled...

 

poor guys



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 07:12 PM

Sada leg abandoned.  Restart from Gihon after an unknown delay



New SIs for Sada said a 48hr technical layover - but not clear what that means for Gijon since a couple of boats were close to Sada and can make a claim that it will be hard to get to Gijon given the weather



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 07:52 PM

It does'nt say that they will restart from Gijon, but that the organization adviced to seek refuge there if reaching Sada before the very bad weather was not feasible.

They will decide what to do after all the boats are safe in the ports.

 

"Une fois que tous les bateaux seront en sécurité dans les ports cantabriques, l’organisation prendra les mesures les plus appropriées pour donner au plus vite un nouveau départ à destination de Lanzarote."



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 07:55 PM

Some of the boats had either finished or nearly finished at Sada...

now they have to get to Gijon for the next start...?

It would be only fair to let them rest after they get there.

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 08:28 PM

Douarnenez, 31 October 2013
 
 
Mini Transat
Douarnenez To Sada Leg Is Abandoned

 
  • Conditions have deteriorated on the tip of Galicia
  • Conditions are challenging for the organisers
  • A decision motivated primarily by the safety of the competitors
Without doubt the Bay of Biscay wins this year. Although the Mini Transat fleet had eaten up nearly two-thirds of the Bay of Biscay, the grib files are showing a further deterioration in conditions compared to those expected at the time of the start. At 19.00 tonight the Race Director took the decision to cancel the first leg to allow competitors to reach port safely.
 
Several parameters were involved in the final decision. First was the concern to preserve the security of the slower competitors (who are often also the least experienced), during the course of the morning the Race Director advised those boats who were still a long way from the finish line to proceed south towards the Cantabrian coast and Gijon where conditions should be much more manageable .
 
In doing so, nearly forty competitors immediately decided to proceed to the Asturian port. Under these conditions the sporting fairness of the leg might be undermined. Moreover, although the leading prototypes were almost assured of reaching Sada before the arrival of bad weather, the situation was much more critical for the group leading the series boats, which were located about 90 miles from the entrance to the Sada estuary at 16.00.
 
Once all boats are safe in the Cantabrian ports, the organisation will take the most appropriate measures to provide a new start to Lanzarote at the first available opportunity.


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Posted 31 October 2013 - 08:38 PM

The guys near the finish must be pissed.  I was all about 747 taking a chunky lead from that leg.  Now it's back to zilch.  FREAKING SOCIALISTS!!!

 

(totally kidding :)



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 08:40 PM

What's up with Mr. MacFarlane?  Is he getting a tow?



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 09:52 PM

Looks to me like by the time they let the boats in Sada get to the new re-start in Gijon, they have two more lows coming in quick succession

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Posted 31 October 2013 - 10:33 PM

Douarnenez, 31 October 2013
 
 
Mini Transat
Douarnenez To Sada Leg Is Abandoned

 
  • Conditions have deteriorated on the tip of Galicia
  • Conditions are challenging for the organisers
  • A decision motivated primarily by the safety of the competitors
Without doubt the Bay of Biscay wins this year. Although the Mini Transat fleet had eaten up nearly two-thirds of the Bay of Biscay, the grib files are showing a further deterioration in conditions compared to those expected at the time of the start. At 19.00 tonight the Race Director took the decision to cancel the first leg to allow competitors to reach port safely.
 
Several parameters were involved in the final decision. First was the concern to preserve the security of the slower competitors (who are often also the least experienced), during the course of the morning the Race Director advised those boats who were still a long way from the finish line to proceed south towards the Cantabrian coast and Gijon where conditions should be much more manageable .
 
In doing so, nearly forty competitors immediately decided to proceed to the Asturian port. Under these conditions the sporting fairness of the leg might be undermined. Moreover, although the leading prototypes were almost assured of reaching Sada before the arrival of bad weather, the situation was much more critical for the group leading the series boats, which were located about 90 miles from the entrance to the Sada estuary at 16.00.
 
Once all boats are safe in the Cantabrian ports, the organisation will take the most appropriate measures to provide a new start to Lanzarote at the first available opportunity.

For fuck sake, this is the North Atlantic. We all know it can be one of the toughest oceans in the world.

 

Isn't this supposed to be a bloody ocean race?

 

If these guys can't handle the ocean, why the hell are they not racing round the buoys in the harbour.



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 10:47 PM

Good question.  Prepare to take a beating on the forum though.  Things aren't the way they used to be.  Truth is there are still going to be boats out there when whatever they are abandoning for hits.

 

Pedote sailed a very nice course on this leg.  Viewing the tracker, he hit the shifts better than anyone in the fleet.  Guess time in the Figaro is a good idea.



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 11:29 PM

My understanding, is that a lot of the RC's decisions are taken in the context of having a fleet decimated in one of the MT's a few years back.

 

Yes, it is an Ocean Race, but one in 21 foot boats designed for downwind sailing....see here for portugese conditions atm

 

I'm pretty sure the RC realise the decisions they are making may not be popular, but that the alternative is even less palatable. If they did just let people go, can you imagine the competitors wouldn't give it a shot?

 

The irony is that had they started 2 days earlier than planned, they would have made it before the current sequence of lows hit, the fleet were given the option, but didn't take it - I guess we won't be seeing them leaving from as far north as Douarnenez this late in the season again.



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Posted 31 October 2013 - 11:40 PM

Jesus. Is this an real ocean race, or a sunday gymkhana? I suppose there's a plan C too?

Take the trolling somewhere else.


Try GA, or if you like it 'shit coated' try PA.

Thanks

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 12:15 AM

6times7, that is an amazing link. What a ballsy couple of days for those surfers. Thanks for the link.

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Posted 01 November 2013 - 11:12 AM

The last boats will still be hit by the weather and the first one would have reached Sada early enough. Those who are in Gijon now have to get out of the bay which is going to bre tricky. I suppose it spared the middle of the fleet.



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Posted 01 November 2013 - 02:37 PM

I feel for MacFarlane... dismasted on an abandoned leg.



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Posted 01 November 2013 - 04:19 PM

And a lost keel  Had a FB post from Horsfield who is trying to figure out he logistics of repairing 587 and getting her to the restart on time.  Given the split between Gijon and Sada he and MacFarlane miight luck out. If Macfarlane can get a spare rig up by start time there's no reason I can see that he can't just restart.  Same wiith Horsfield, and any foul he may have carried is cleared by the abandonment



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Posted 01 November 2013 - 04:50 PM

If he could make a restart, I wonder if Craig is considering road transport to the restart in Sada (or Gion?) ? Certainly it is the safer option alone...

Craig, I hope you get her fixed and safely to the restart.  Make it happen.



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Posted 01 November 2013 - 05:39 PM

doesn't a new keel or a new rig require a new qualification? maybe there is enough of the old rig to repair? not sure what the poor soul who lost his keel can do



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Posted 01 November 2013 - 06:19 PM

If I understand correctly.., the next start will be from Sada - possibly on Tuesday, assuming the boats at Gijon can get there by then.



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Posted 01 November 2013 - 10:01 PM

I thought from the news MacFarlane had to abandon the boat and board the freighter for La Coruna.  Has another vessel towed 759 in?

And a lost keel  Had a FB post from Horsfield who is trying to figure out he logistics of repairing 587 and getting her to the restart on time.  Given the split between Gijon and Sada he and MacFarlane miight luck out. If Macfarlane can get a spare rig up by start time there's no reason I can see that he can't just restart.  Same wiith Horsfield, and any foul he may have carried is cleared by the abandonment



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Posted 01 November 2013 - 11:08 PM

Why would he have to abandon the boat? Was the hull breached? 



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Posted 01 November 2013 - 11:32 PM

I'd be surprised if he abandoned it with no intention to getting it back.  I was under the impression that he chartered that boat.  Not sure how that works out insurance wise.  Anyone got more details?



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 10:55 AM

Depends on how it was insured.   The insurer might send a salvage vessel assuming its insured.   Offshore racing insurance is expensive.  I'm not sure everyone in the fleet has hull insurance.  Liability insurance - likely, but hull insurance? 



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 12:21 PM

From his Blog

 

   
I am not giving up! I am sitting on a navy ship trying to arrange for a new mast, new sails, and for the boat to be brought back to shore with very limited internet acess and no phone. We will be back to land tomorrow once all Minis (except mine) are in port, safe and sound... While the chances are slim, I am hoping to rejoin the race! Thank you for all of the support!


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Posted 02 November 2013 - 12:54 PM

From his Blog

 

   
I am not giving up! I am sitting on a navy ship trying to arrange for a new mast, new sails, and for the boat to be brought back to shore with very limited internet acess and no phone. We will be back to land tomorrow once all Minis (except mine) are in port, safe and sound... While the chances are slim, I am hoping to rejoin the race! Thank you for all of the support!

That's great news. 

 

WAs great to see him up there mixing it. 

 

Even with all the stops I love this race, just seems to be much more pure for want of a better word than most of the races out there. 

Perfect antidote to the AC



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:42 PM

If any of you find any good huge wave videos from the fleet post them here please.



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:47 PM

The race is proving to be a challenge ... big delay, stop overs, first leg cancelled ....

On the bright side, Richard Hewson has done a very nice job on board the RG650 816!!  ;)

 

:D



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 06:33 PM

   
Jeff's back onshore, doing absolutely everything possible to get 759 back to Spain. It is currently floating 110 miles offshore. Boat, sails, mast and a little more time! You can do it!


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 10:16 PM

TJV postponed with no start set now.

 

 

 

On current forecasts Thursday is considered a possibility. The double handed race across the Atlantic from Le Havre to Itajaí, Brazil has a strong legacy as a multi class event and the race directors are resolute in  their determination that the entire four classes fleet compete in the best possible conditions. 

Manfred Ramspacher ( sporting director ) explained: 
"The event sport direction the entire organization has made the decision to postpone the start until a more favourable situation arrives, which could be Thursday.”

“Winds 30 to 50 knots which could endanger the skippers and their boats are forecast. We are well aware that classes such as IMOCA could start. But our main concern is the overall safety of the crews.” 

“Our decision is based on the forecast that we could get away from Le Havre  but with difficult conditions and some uncertainly at the ras Blanchard, at  Ushant, and some very difficult conditions at the start of the Bay of Biscay. 
Our first aim is to ensure we can get maximum number of boats finishing Itajai.” 

“We must maintain this solidarity in the event. The possibility of starting Wednesday or Thursday not for certain. We think it can happen, but it is still uncertain. The MOD 70 are still programmed to start on Wednesday or Thursday, we will decide in consultation with them.
An IMOCA race  might have been able to start, and I can understand their disappointment, but we are a multi-class race."

 

Manfred Ramspacher (Sport Director): "We have decided to postpone the start of the Transat Jacques Vabre."

http://www.transat-j...20131103_uk.mp3



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Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:14 PM

I've read that Arthur Leger (709) fell off the boat and had to disable running backstay so mast would come down and he could climb onboard. Crazy! Anyone knows more details about it?






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