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#201 Liquid Assett NZ

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:14 AM

Hold on a second. Surely to make an economic impact to local businesses of 350 odd Mill plus the exposure for SF can only be positive for the city better than no millions and no exposure. It is really quite simple. I just don't get how people can see that as a bad thing other than and politicking

Sorry MSP but you really are barking mad

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:32 AM

I live in a place Perfect for AC Sailing

 

Butt the current trend of Civic Leaders Nationwide @ All Levels is to Force Wankers (upon voters) into Power

 

with the Net Result of No One Having a Clew about matters such as the America's Cup

 

DAGO Has a Great Chance to host the next Cup Butt No Candidate for mayor (Vote tomorrow) gives a shit regardless of Y-klub affiliation 

 

They have personal Eggs to fri once in office  :(

 

San Diego stands to have a 100% chance of stuffing up any chance at hosting the next Cup !!!



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 08:00 AM

NZ doesn't like it either. Do you not read opinion polls?

Hold on a second. Surely to make an economic impact to local businesses of 350 odd Mill plus the exposure for SF can only be positive for the city better than no millions and no exposure. It is really quite simple. I just don't get how people can see that as a bad thing other than and politicking

Sorry MSP but you really are barking mad



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 09:15 AM

America’s Cup: New figures increase loss incurred by San Francisco
 
Published on February 10, 2014|
 
 
 
 
 
(February 10, 2014) – San Francisco’s red ink from the 34th America’s Cup got deeper Monday, with updated figures showing the city lost $11.5 million hosting the event last year for the first time.
 
Preliminary figures released in December showed the event had cost taxpayers at least $5.5 million, but that number did not include expenses for the Port of San Francisco, a city department with its own budget funded by rent revenue from its property, not taxes.
 
The Cup had a net cost to the port of $5.5 million, and its cost to the general fund, the city’s main spending account, was revised upward to $6 million, for a total city loss of $11.5 million, according to a new report by the Board of Supervisors budget and legislative analyst.
 
The report also found that 517 San Francisco residents were employed in 2013 through contracts with race organizers, known as the America’s Cup Event Authority.
 
A wrap-up economic impact study by the Bay Area Council Economic Institute released in December found that the event created 2,863 jobs, down from original projections of 8,840 jobs. That study also found that the event, which stretched over roughly three months, generated at least $364 million in total economic impact. That figure rises to more than $550 million if the long-planned construction of a new cruise ship terminal, which the regatta served as a catalyst to finally get built, is factored in.
 
The latest analysis, requested by Supervisor John Avalos, comes as the Mayor Ed Lee’s administration has reached an impasse in negations with software billionaire Larry Ellison’s Oracle Team USA sailing club about hosting the next Cup in 2017.
 
Russell Coutts, who heads Ellison’s sailing team, recently said the organization is looking at five U.S. locations as possible host sites, including San Francisco, San Diego and Hawaii. The winner of the Cup gets to determine the location and boat type for the next regatta.
 
Among the team’s objections to San Francisco’s offer to host the event a second time are paying rent for the venue space that was provided last year and being compelled to pay union rates for labor, some involved in the negotiations said.
 
The report from Budget and Legislative Analyst Harvey Rose’s office, though, specifically calls for the city to charge rent if it hosts the Cup again and to ensure the event authority complies “with local hire and prevailing wage requirements for all events covered by the agreement.”


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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:23 PM

"There was trickle-down economic impact throughout the city"
http://m.sfgate.com/...nse-5222655.php

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:42 PM

Racing in June, bring it on! Making the boats smaller will not slow them down, in fact I would expect faster speeds.



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 06:25 PM

Wow…expensive lessons in basic sports marketing  "…bumping against the NFL in Sept didn't work so well.."   (I think I recall that advice in these forums about 2 years ago??).  

 

On a slightly positive note, I do like the idea of qualifying rounds in "local" or "regional" markets, but you have to get costs waaay down so that participation in those goes up dramatically.   That model only works when you have to winnow the field down to 10/12/16 or so in the LV and you have 20+ participants to start with (not even close at $100M +).   4 in the LV seems a bit off to me...

 

Finally I'll say, moving this out of SF is a bad idea.  For one, any other potential host venue has info confirming the reality of the economic benefits (limited) and the administration doesn't have any credibility on that front - so I doubt offers elsewhere will ultimately be much better than SF's and 2) It continues the uncertainty.  They need an event deal NOW in order to properly commercialize.  Throwing it open, missing deadlines, and inevitable threats to walk away from the next potential host city are all turn-offs for broadcasters and sponsors. Unfortunately, that appears a likely outcome.



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 07:54 PM

"There was trickle-down economic impact throughout the city"
http://m.sfgate.com/...nse-5222655.php

Which makes a good argument if you've under-utilised resources, empty hotels etc. In SF?

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 10:14 PM

That didn't prevent a lot of extra economic impact from happening; certainly I am one (small) example of that.

Am actually happy enough if it goes to Hawaii but SF, most especially for the wind machine, is a hard place to beat.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 12:29 AM

^^ Coutts tries to show he is interested by another venue, SFcity inflating its improbable "deficit", both are trying to build up their negotiation position.



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 02:13 AM

Speeding Tickets don't count  :o

 

What did that cost anyway ????



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:25 AM

SAN DIEGO PORT OFFICIALS OK AMERICA'S CUP BID
— Feb. 11, 2014 11:09 PM EST
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SAN DIEGO (AP) — Port commissioners voted unanimously Tuesday to submit a bid to host the next America's Cup on San Diego Bay in August 2017.

The commissioners, two of them sailors, spoke enthusiastically about the prospect of hosting sailing's marquee regatta. The commissioners directed the port's staff to respond to a request for information from America's Cup officials by March 3.

America's Cup officials are talking with other venues about hosting the 35th America's Cup because San Francisco officials haven't offered the same terms they did for last summer's regatta, which ended with Oracle Team USA staging one of the greatest comebacks in sports.

San Diego "definitely is one of the venues that seems to be ticking quite a lot of boxes," Russell Coutts, the CEO of Oracle Team USA, said by phone from the British Virgin Islands, where he's attending a regatta in the RC44 class, which he helped launch. "It'd be a really good venue."

Coutts said the plan is to eliminate two or three potential venues in the next month or so, and then negotiate host city agreements with two ports. One of those ports would be a backup. Officials also are looking at venues to host the challenger eliminations and warmup regattas called the America's Cup World Series.

Coutts, who skippered Team New Zealand to a 5-0 win against Dennis Conner off San Diego in 1995, said the process could stretch into the summer.

The only other confirmed potential venue is Hawaii. While not confirmed, it's believed Newport, R.I., and Long Beach, Calif., also are in the mix.

San Diego hosted the America's Cup in 1988, 1992 and 1995, with racing on the Pacific Ocean off Point Loma.

Commissioner Dan Malcolm, who said he's passionate about sailing, used a basketball analogy for the San Diego Port's bid.

"Even though we're in 3-point land on this shot, I think it is definitely worth it for the potential impact that this could have on San Diego to take this shot," he said.

Continuing the analogy, commissioner Marshall Merrifield said it was "maybe a solid outside two-point shot. This isn't just a sailing race. This is not the sailing we're used to. These are sailboats that actually fly. It's very exciting stuff, very dramatic."

The 34th America's Cup was contested in 72-foot, wing-sailed catamarans that rode up on hydrofoils, with both hulls completely out of the water. Those boats were expensive and, some felt, overpowered with their 131-foot wing sails. To cut costs, organizers are proposing sailing the next America's Cup in catamarans of 60-65 feet, with smaller wing sails and fewer sailors.

Merrifield said he felt San Diego has more to offer than San Francisco.

"We have much better stadium sailing viewing," he said. "People in Berkeley cannot see these like the folks in Coronado can."

He also said the port has more control over the services the America's Cup officials are looking for.

"We may be a stalking horse. Others may be a stalking horse. But we should put our best foot forward and be assertive," Merrifield said.

The America's Cup in San Francisco was the first to be sailed inshore rather than miles offshore.

"I think the racecourse in San Diego, quite frankly, sets up better than San Francisco," said Coutts, a five-time America's Cup winner.

Negotiations in San Francisco have perhaps reached the point of no return. Talks are at an impasse because America's Cup officials want free rent for piers, as well as have police, fire and other services provided. They're also opposed to paying the equivalent of union wages for construction work.

America's Cup officials are requesting free use of piers and fire, police and other services in San Diego, according to a presentation Tuesday by SEA San Diego. The group organized an America's Cup World Series regatta in November 2011 and a regatta in the RC44 class in March 2011, both on the bay.

If San Diego is chosen for the America's Cup, Oracle Team USA would move its base to San Diego in mid-2016.

Port officials said it was too early to calculate costs and economic impact of an America's Cup in San Diego.

While last summer's regatta gave the staid old America's Cup a remarkable adrenaline rush, it generated less economic impact in the Bay Area than projected and cost city taxpayers more than $5 million.

"Today was an important step," said SEA San Diego board member Troy Sears, who has been active in past America's Cup regattas and owns Next Level Sailing. One of his boats is a replica of the schooner America, whose victory over a fleet of British ships in 1851 gave the oldest trophy in international sports its name.

"It's nice that their enthusiasm has been revealed, and today's public hearing provided that opportunity," Sears said.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 06:02 AM

That didn't prevent a lot of extra economic impact from happening; certainly I am one (small) example of that.

That's a fallacy if someone else would have slept in that hotel bed, eat that restaurant meal etc. It also assumes that the city could not have spent money in other ways that would have the same or higher return.

If more government or local government spending really unconditionally boosted the economy, the wrong side won the Cold War.

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Posted 12 February 2014 - 07:10 AM

Larry should restore the area and Piers back to the condition they found them/it in

 

Hay Larry come on down and put sum Lipstick on DAGO & make a Silk Purse !!!!

 

Dang - wish I had thought of suggesting San Diego for a place to host it's 4th America's Cup !!!!!!

 

;)  ^_^  <_<  -_-  B)



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Posted 12 February 2014 - 11:47 PM

The economic impact to the City from hosting the America’s Cup was 27 percent 
of the original projections by the Office of Economic and Workforce 
Development’s (OEWD) economic consultant, as shown in the table below.
 
The 
original projections were prepared in 2010 prior to selection of San Francisco as 
the host city and were based on 15 racing syndicates participating in the America’s 
Cup sailing races.
The 34th America’s Cup included only four rather than 15 racing 
syndicates and attracted fewer spectators than estimated.
 


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:09 AM

I still don't understand why the original predictions, when all the wannabes were still claiming they might show, even matters.

What actually matters is how a few $M of public investment generated a few $HundredM in activity.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 04:05 AM

You're right, Send that Puppy down to WOODY's Hood and he'll get streaming Kam's on the Off Daz

 

fixieid  :)



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 07:14 AM

So where is Tom anyway ?



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:14 AM

So where is Tom anyway ?

 

Why Yes - YES he is 



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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:30 AM

Among the team’s objections to San Francisco’s offer to host the event a second time are paying rent for the venue space that was provided last year and being compelled to pay union rates for labor, some involved in the negotiations said.

How discusting that minions expect to be paid! Hopefully ACalphabet can import some cheap out of towner/country types who will do it for food scraps.



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 06:57 PM

http://www.sfgate.co...a-s-5303121.php

 

Larry Ellison eyeing Honolulu for '17 America's Cup Julian Guthrie Updated 7:35 am, Monday, March 10, 2014

 

apparently ggyc has zero to say about it 

 

evilsin just running with it 

 

deed legal ?  :lol:



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Posted 10 March 2014 - 08:59 PM

http://www.sfgate.co...a-s-5303121.php
  Larry Ellison eyeing Honolulu for '17 America's Cup Julian Guthrie Updated 7:35 am, Monday, March 10, 2014
 
apparently ggyc has zero to say about it 
 
evilsin just running with it 
 
deed legal ?  :lol:



Interesting piece .

Yes it's deed legal .

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Posted 10 March 2014 - 11:25 PM

http://www.sfgate.co...a-s-5303121.php
  Larry Ellison eyeing Honolulu for '17 America's Cup Julian Guthrie Updated 7:35 am, Monday, March 10, 2014
 
apparently ggyc has zero to say about it 
 
evilsin just running with it 
 
deed legal ?  :lol:



Interesting piece .

Yes it's deed legal .

:lol:

 

deed legal - your funny today 



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 01:10 AM

 

http://www.sfgate.co...a-s-5303121.php
  Larry Ellison eyeing Honolulu for '17 America's Cup Julian Guthrie Updated 7:35 am, Monday, March 10, 2014
 
apparently ggyc has zero to say about it 
 
evilsin just running with it 
 
deed legal ?  :lol:



Interesting piece .

Yes it's deed legal .

:lol:

 

deed legal - your funny today 

Contraction--- you're

As in: "You are still a moron."



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 03:53 AM

deed legal - your funny today 

Contraction--- you're

As in: "You are still a moron."

 

And you're correct in your statement :)



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Posted 11 March 2014 - 04:37 PM

 

 

http://www.sfgate.co...a-s-5303121.php
  Larry Ellison eyeing Honolulu for '17 America's Cup Julian Guthrie Updated 7:35 am, Monday, March 10, 2014
 
apparently ggyc has zero to say about it 
 
evilsin just running with it 
 
deed legal ?  :lol:



Interesting piece .

Yes it's deed legal .

:lol:

 

deed legal - your funny today 

Contraction--- you're

As in: "You are still a moron."

your funny too -

 

as in - your still a nag posting about english composition when this is not a english class

 

or our homework from a class you think your teaching here - its a forum - try and remember that -

 

sorry to inform you of your errors -professor - :lol:



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 08:44 PM

 

Sorry, Larry, this one's ours

By Ben Irwin

4:15 AM Tuesday Mar 18, 2014

Greenstone carving commissioned in 1999 for Auckland yacht racing up for auction.

17d2eff62c13a5f6b33a67b25a05c40d7fc537c4Olivia Sloane, of auctioneers Dunbar Sloane, with the cup. Photo / Brett Phibbs

While $36 million of taxpayers' money may not have secured the America's Cup for New Zealand, a greenstone replica can be yours for a cut-price $70,000.

Te Ha o Aotearoa, a 7/8th scale replica of the cup made from solid Kahurangi pounamu, will go up for auction in Auckland at the end of the month.

The artwork, which weighs 36kg, was commissioned in 1999 by Auckland company Creativision, which had a licence to produce greenstone America's Cup products for that 

http://www.nzherald....jectid=11221482



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Posted 17 March 2014 - 10:54 PM

 

:lol:

 

deed legal - your funny today 

Contraction--- you're

As in: "You are still a moron."

your funny too -

 

as in - your still a nag posting about english composition when this is not a english class

 

It's spelling, not composition, which confirms the statement "you are still a moron"

 

Or maybe you prefer the term "dumb ass" :)



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 09:24 AM

tom ehman has to go 

 

I will fire him soon

 

wtf - screw sf 



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Posted 21 March 2014 - 12:11 PM

tom ehman has to go 
 
I will fire him soon
 
wtf - screw sf 


I wonder what MSP would think about this?

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Posted 23 March 2014 - 06:43 AM

Oracle Corp. demanded one of our reporters sign a nondisclosure agreement (NDA) just to attend the opening of the America's Cup. The company apparently worried the journalist would somehow glean sailing secrets from Larry Ellison's brain and ruin the team's future chances.

"This is the level of legal protection the team requires," a spokesman e-mailed the reporter. "I have no discretion to vary this. There is no time limit simply because the technologies maybe developed for the Cup but not used but could be employed in the future."

:lol:

http://www.sfgate.co...nts-5340951.php



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Posted 07 April 2014 - 04:42 PM

after all those bribes we paid to sf govt - to get the venue - ''passed and approved'' now yee gets busted - sf is gone now  :rolleyes:  Grand Jury Returns an Indictment Against State Senator Yee, Raymond “Shrimpboy” Chow, and 27 Related Defendants 
U.S. Attorney’s OfficeApril 04, 2014
  • Northern District of California(415) 436-7200
 

SAN FRANCISCO—A federal grand jury returned an indictment yesterday charging 29 defendants with firearms trafficking, money laundering, murder-for-hire, drug distribution, trafficking in contraband cigarettes, and honest services fraud, announced U.S. Attorney Melinda Haag, FBI Special Agent in Charge David J. Johnson, and Internal Revenue Service-Criminal Investigation Special Agent in Charge José M. Martinez. The indictment follows the March 26, 2014 arrests authorized by criminal complaint.

The defendants are charged in the indictment as follows:

Defendant

Charges

Kwok Cheung CHOW, a/k/a Raymond CHOW, a/k/a Shrimp Boy

Money Laundering (18 USC § 1956), Conspiracy to Traffic Contraband Cigarettes (18 USC §§ 371, 2342, 2344), Conspiracy to Transport and Receive Stolen Property in Interstate Commerce (18 USC §§ 371, 2314, and 2315)

Leland YEE

Honest Services Conspiracy (18 USC §1349), Wire Fraud (18 USC §§ 1343, 1346), Conspiracy to Deal in Firearms and Import Firearms (18 USC §§ 371, 922(a), 922(l))

George NIEH, a/k/a Heng Nieh, a/k/a Ah Fei

Money Laundering (18 USC 1956), Unlicensed Firearms Dealing (18 USC § 922(a)), Felon in Possession of Firearm (18 USC § 922(g)), Conspiracy to Traffic Contraband Cigarettes (18 USC §§ 371, 2342, 2344), Conspiracy to Transport and Receive Stolen Property in Interstate Commerce (18 USC §§ 371, 2314, and 2315), Narcotics Conspiracy (21 USC § 846)

Keith JACKSON

Wire Fraud (18 USC §§ 1343, 1346), Engaging in Business of Dealing in Firearms (18 USC § 922(a)), Narcotics Conspiracy (21 USC § 846), Murder for Hire (18 USC § 1958), Conspiracy to Deal in Firearms and Import Firearms (18 USC §§ 371, 922(a), 922(l))

Brandon JACKSON

Narcotics Conspiracy (21 USC § 846), Unlicensed Firearms Dealing (18 USC § 922(a)), Murder for Hire (18 USC §1958)

Marlon SULLIVAN

Narcotics Conspiracy (21 USC § 846), Unlicensed Firearms Dealing (18 USC § 922(a)), Murder for Hire (18 USC § 1958)

Rinn ROEUN

Unlicensed Firearms Dealing (18 USC § 922(a)), Murder for Hire (18 USC § 1958)

Alan CHIU, a/k/a Alan Shiu

Money Laundering (18 USC § 1956)

Kevin SIU

Money Laundering (18 USC § 1956)

Kongphet CHANTHAVONG, a/k/a “Joe,” a/k/a “Fat Joe”

Narcotics Conspiracy (21 USC § 846), Money Laundering (18 USC § 1956), Felon in Possession of a Firearm (18 USC § 922(g)), Possession of Narcotics with Intent to Distribute (21 USC § 841), Possession of a Firearm in Furtherance of a Drug Trafficking Crime (18 USC § 924©)

Michael MEI

Possession of Narcotics with Intent to Distribute (21 USC § 846)

Andy LI

Money Laundering (18 USC § 1956), Narcotics Conspiracy (21 USC 846), Unlicensed Firearms Dealing (18 USC § 922(a)), Felon in Possession of Firearm (18 USC § 922(g))

Leslie YUN

Money Laundering (18 USC § 1956), Conspiracy to Traffic in Stolen and Contraband Cigarettes (18 USC §§ 371, 2315, 2342, 2344)

James PAU

Money Laundering (18 USC § 1956), Conspiracy to Traffic in Stolen and Contraband Cigarettes (18 USC §§ 371, 2315, 2342, 2344)

Jane LIANG

Conspiracy to Transport and Receive Stolen Property (18 USC §§ 371, 2315)

Tina LIANG

Conspiracy to Transport and Receive Stolen Property (18 USC §§ 371, 2315), Narcotics Conspiracy (21 USC § 846)

Brian TILTON

Conspiracy to Transport and Receive Stolen Property (18 USC §§ 371, 2315), Narcotics Conspiracy (21 USC § 846)

Ming MA

Conspiracy to Receive Stolen Property (18 USC §§ 371, 2315)

Hon SO

Conspiracy to Receive Stolen Property (18 USC §§ 371, 2315)

Norge MASTRANGELO

Money Laundering (18 USC §1956)

Albert NHINGSAVATH

Money Laundering (18 USC § 1956)

Serge GEE

Money Laundering (18 USC § 1956)

Xi Ling LIANG, a/k/a Elaine LIANG

Money Laundering (18 USC § 1956)

Gary CHEN

Money Laundering (18 USC § 1956)

Anthony LAI

Money Laundering (18 USC § 1956)

Tong ZHANG

Conspiracy to Traffic Contraband Cigarettes (18 USC §§ 371, 2342, 2344)

Zhanghao WU

Conspiracy to Traffic Contraband Cigarettes (18 USC §§ 371, 2342, 2344)

Barry Blackwell HOUSE

Dealing Firearms without a License (18 USC § 922(a)), Possession of Firearm by a Felon (18 USC § 922(g)(1))

WILSON SY LIM, a/k/a “Dr. Lim”

Conspiracy to Traffic in Firearms Without a License, and to Illegally Import Firearms, in violation of (18 USC §§ 371, 922(a)(1))


The maximum penalties for the violations are as follows:

18 U.S.C. § 1956(a)(1)
  • 20 years in prison
  • Three years’ supervised release
  • $500,000 fine
  • $100 special assessment
18 U.S.C. § 1956(a)(3)
  • 20 years in prison
  • Three years’ supervised release
  • $500,000 fine
  • $100 special assessment
18 U.S.C. § § 371, 2314, 2315
  • Five years in prison
  • Three years’ supervised release
  • $250,000 fine
  • $100 special assessment
18 U.S.C. § § 371, 2315, 2342(a), 2344
  • Five years in prison
  • Three years’ supervised release
  • $250,000 fine
  • $100 special assessment
18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(1)
  • Five years in prison
  • Three years’ supervised release
  • $250,000 fine
  • $100 special assessment
18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1)
  • 10 years in prison
  • Three years’ supervised release
  • $250,000 fine
  • $100 special assessment
18 U.S.C. §§ 371, 922(a)(1), 922(l)
  • Five years in prison
  • Three years’ supervised release
  • $250,000 fine
  • $100 special assessment
18 U.S.C. § 924©
  • From five years to life
  • Five years’ supervised release
  • $250,000 fine
  • $100 special assessment
18 U.S.C. § 1958
  • 10 years in prison
  • Three years’ supervised release
  • $250,000 fine
  • $100 special assessment
18 U.S.C. § § 1343, 1346, 1349
  • 20 years in prison
  • Three years’ supervised release
  • $250,000 fine
  • $100 special assessment
21 U.S.C. § 841
  • From five years to forty years in prison
  • Four years’ supervised release
  • $5 million fine
  • $100 special assessment
21 U.S.C. § 841, 846
  • Five years in prison, with five or ten year mandatory minimum in some instances
  • Three to five years’ supervised release
  • $250,000 to $10 million fine
  • $100 special assessment


An indictment merely alleges that crimes have been committed, and all defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If convicted, the defendants are subject to the maximum penalties stated above. However, any sentence following conviction would be imposed by the court only after consideration of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and the federal statute governing the imposition of a sentence, 18 U.S.C. § 3553.

William Frentzen, Susan Badger, and Waqar Hasib are the Assistant U.S. Attorneys who are prosecuting the case. The prosecution is the result of a five-year investigation by the FBI, Internal Revenue Service-Criminal Investigations Division, San Francisco Police Department, Oakland Police Department, and Antioch Police Department.

 

http://www.fbi.gov/s..._content=312434



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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:52 AM

:lol:

 

http://noticeboard.a...11/08/JN113.pdf



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Posted 30 April 2014 - 07:17 AM

so we caught cheating 

 

we didnt break any rules we wrote with I$AF or U$ $AILING A$$C. 

 

IM  and our llc acrm covered that up too

 

ehman has all the jimmy the rules down 

 

thats why I hired him -remember 

 

may recall November 1987, when Mr Ehman was chief operating officer of Malin Burnham’s infamous Sail America Foundation.

 

He told the Tuesday Yachtsmen's Luncheon of the St. Francis Yacht Club that, if San Diego lost (The Big Boat case) in Court,

 

Sail America would do whatever was necessary to make sure that Michael Fay had no chance of winning on the water -

 

even if there was nothing fair or sportsmanlike about how they did it.

The audience was taken completely aback.

 

Three days later, the November 20, 1987 edition of the San Diego Union

quoted Mr Ehman as saying: 'We'll jimmy the rules to win this thing…



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Posted 12 May 2014 - 12:25 PM

Larry Sock Puppet  FTW!



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 11:26 PM

So…is Tom still on the team or…???  Clearly the longest period in years with no comment from Tom



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Posted 26 May 2014 - 12:04 AM

What is it you want or expect to hear from TE? Something that you can argue about, is that the real purpose of the question?

The only comments we have seen in the past couple months have been direct from RC and IM on the Protocol, early May most recently; and from various designers but including Melvin and Morelli in April.

TE does maintain a classy FaceBook page but it suggests little about what his Protocol or venue input is so far. He splits time mostly between SF and SD, for whatever that's worth as potential relationship hints.

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 01:50 AM

me thinks TE is enjoying life at the moment, speaking, traveling, dinners, meg graduation, etc..can't work all the time



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Posted 26 May 2014 - 03:19 AM

What is it you want or expect to hear from TE? Something that you can argue about, is that the real purpose of the question?
The only comments we have seen in the past couple months have been direct from RC and IM on the Protocol, early May most recently; and from various designers but including Melvin and Morelli in April.
TE does maintain a classy FaceBook page but it suggests little about what his Protocol or venue input is so far. He splits time mostly between SF and SD, for whatever that's worth as potential relationship hints.


Ehman is alive and well...some of the slimeiness has attached itself to spinbot, he doesn't realize it but wants you to know that he and te are ....close...

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Posted 27 May 2014 - 06:56 PM

What is it you want or expect to hear from TE? Something that you can argue about, is that the real purpose of the question?

The only comments we have seen in the past couple months have been direct from RC and IM on the Protocol, early May most recently; and from various designers but including Melvin and Morelli in April.

TE does maintain a classy FaceBook page but it suggests little about what his Protocol or venue input is so far. He splits time mostly between SF and SD, for whatever that's worth as potential relationship hints.

Yes.  The real purpose of my question is that I want to argue with Tom.  ?

 

No, the thread is about Tom possibly losing his position within he team and, given his silence on questions you'd think he'd be part of, remains a question for me.  Pretty straight forward, eh?



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Posted 27 May 2014 - 07:09 PM


TE does maintain a classy FaceBook page but it suggests little about what his Protocol or venue input is so far. He splits time mostly between SF and SD, for whatever that's worth as potential relationship hints.

 

 

No, the thread is about Tom possibly losing his position within he team and, given his silence on questions you'd think he'd be part of, remains a question for me.  Pretty straight forward, eh?

 

I have no idea what role he has had in the new Protocol. Again, just glancing at his FB page you really can't tell except for that he seems to like San Diego - but quite obviously most of the venue issues will be far out of any single person's control even if TE does have a preference. He did post some time back something like "I see that Bermuda has chosen to go public with their venue bid" which may well suggest that TE was already well aware of that bid prior to it going public. And if so, then that would suggest he's in the discussions loop at least on that subject.

 

With the OR's rules man from last time, Slater, now working for HIYC it's possible that TE has re-taken that role on at OR but I honestly have no idea who it is in the position now.  

 

Bigger-picture, Venue-wise and DR-wise it seems to be all about RC given what we heard directly from him in early May at SButt. 



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Posted 27 May 2014 - 07:52 PM

He posted a picture of Chicago today for all of you tea-leaf readers.

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Posted 28 May 2014 - 01:29 AM

Just for shits and giggles i sent him an email on FB telling him that the sailing community wanted to know what he is up to.  His reply was:  "Relaxing".   :D    Nuff said, yea?    ;)



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Posted 28 May 2014 - 02:05 AM

Maybe TE is the consigliere? ;)

 

LE - Boss

 

RC - Underboss

 

TE - Consigliere

 

Therefor he is not the front man but working on the inside, advising LE on the various aspects of the challenge and defense.



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Posted 28 May 2014 - 02:49 AM

/\ 

 

boss / under boss / con man snake oil- evil potions - manslaughter coverups- [''attempted'' ]  sales

 

wow really 

 

I guess claimed officers of ggyc board get to do that 

 

and work both ends - in a profit corp ortusa with various interests mostly conflicted

 

and a fraudulent filed NPO ggyc claims to be

 

amerika at its finest    $$$$    :lol:



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Posted 28 May 2014 - 03:44 AM

/\ 

 


wow


 

amerika at its finest    $$$$    :lol:

 

I have little doubt we could take up a collection to ship you out of the country - I've heard Syria and Libya have some great locations short of their allocation of fucktards like yourself. you would fit in great. :)



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Posted 28 May 2014 - 04:29 AM

TE has earned his break from the AC.  He has been at this a while.

 

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WetHog  :ph34r:



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Posted 28 May 2014 - 02:47 PM

 


TE does maintain a classy FaceBook page but it suggests little about what his Protocol or venue input is so far. He splits time mostly between SF and SD, for whatever that's worth as potential relationship hints.

 

 

No, the thread is about Tom possibly losing his position within he team and, given his silence on questions you'd think he'd be part of, remains a question for me.  Pretty straight forward, eh?

 

I have no idea what role he has had in the new Protocol. Again, just glancing at his FB page you really can't tell except for that he seems to like San Diego - but quite obviously most of the venue issues will be far out of any single person's control even if TE does have a preference. He did post some time back something like "I see that Bermuda has chosen to go public with their venue bid" which may well suggest that TE was already well aware of that bid prior to it going public. And if so, then that would suggest he's in the discussions loop at least on that subject.

 

With the OR's rules man from last time, Slater, now working for HIYC it's possible that TE has re-taken that role on at OR but I honestly have no idea who it is in the position now.  

 

Bigger-picture, Venue-wise and DR-wise it seems to be all about RC given what we heard directly from him in early May at SButt. 

Thanks…that's the response I was hoping for!  I suppose he's not interested in shedding light on his role / non-role and that's his prerogative...



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Posted 05 June 2014 - 05:18 AM

demon ehman ?? I thought he was fired -  :lol:
 
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Posted 11 June 2014 - 02:55 AM

Evidently, right now, he is here.  Hi Tom!   

 

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Posted 21 June 2014 - 12:19 AM

Has SF Port Gone Off Course?
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Emirates Team New Zealand is towed in their AC72 near the San Francisco Ferry Building before the start of the sixth race of the Louis Vuitton Cup in San Francisco, California, August 23, 2013.

The Port of San Francisco failed to allow for adequate public input on the America's Cup and other major recent development projects, according to a report released Thursday by the city's Civil Grand Jury. We'll examine the details of the report, which also calls for a greater emphasis on maritime uses of port properties, greater public input, and less influence by the mayor's office, which currently appoints all five port commissioners.

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America’s Cup 
! Planning by the Port and the Mayor’s Office for the America’s Cup failed to include 
agreements that protected the City’s interests and failed to maximize the benefits that the 
City might have achieved. The usual agreement for sharing revenue from the proceeds of 
use of Port facilities was not included in the agreement. 
! A new cruise ship terminal, built at considerable Port cost, was made available with no 
return to the City even though the America’s Cup sponsors promoted concerts and 
viewing suites that potentially resulted in large profits for the sponsors and nothing to the 
Port. 
! The Port and the City lost a combined $11.5M on the event.


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 12:22 AM

Finding 8: 
The 34th America’s Cup was a major monetary loss to the City’s taxpayers to the tune of about 
$6 million and a major loss to the Port of about $5.5 million in unreimbursed Port expenditures. 
The City and the Port subsidized the America’s Cup at taxpayers’ expense. The City received no 
direct revenue from the 34th America’s Cup event in the form of revenue sharing or venue rent. 
In negotiating event and/or development agreements at the waterfront, the City and Port do not 
seek to make a profit from the deal but is simply looking to recover its costs and break even. 
 
! Recommendation 8a: 
All major events at the Port, like the America's Cup, must be approved by the Port Commission 
and the Board of Supervisors. 
 
! Recommendation 8b: 
Prior to approval, the City should require a validated cost proposal using fair market rental rates, 
revenue sharing with the Port, marquee billing for the City, full post-event accounting, and 
posting of all event financials on the Port website within one month after completion of the 
event. Said report shall include an itemization of: 
o The amount and source of all revenue generated by the event. 
o The amount, payor, and payee of each cost incurred for the event. 
o The name of each event cancelled, if any, as a result of the app


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 12:24 AM

:lol:

 

 

! Recommendation 1: 
The Port Commission should be restructured to reflect more 
public interest. The Jury recommends that the Board of 
Supervisors seek necessary changes in state law to allow a 
charter amendment to be submitted to the public for revision 
of the current five-member Port Commission appointed by the 
Mayor to a Port Commission with three mayoral appointees 
and two by the Board of Supervisors. We recommend that this 
change be put before the voters in 2015. 


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 12:36 AM

good ruling/findings by sf grand jury 

 

and why sf fiasco 2 didnt happen - :lol:

 

! Recommendation 8a: 
All major events at the Port, like the America's Cup, must be 
approved by the Port Commission and the Board of 
Supervisors. 
! Recommendation 8b: 
Prior to approval, the City should require a validated cost 
proposal using fair market rental rates,
 
revenue sharing with 
the Port, marquee billing for the City, full post-event 
accounting, and posting of all event financials on the Port 
website within one month after completion of the event. Said 
report shall include an itemization of: 
o The amount and source of all revenue 
generated by the event. 
o The amount, payor, and payee of each cost 
incurred for the event. 
o The name of each event cancelled, if any, as a 
result of the approval of the event and the 
amount of revenue lost as a result of 
the cancellation. 


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Posted 21 June 2014 - 02:58 AM

Whoever those people are, on that Grand Civil Jury, surely they are good candidates for The List? Their names are even mentioned.

#256 MAHGUAH_SCALPS_PILGRIMS

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Posted 01 July 2014 - 03:07 AM

Civil Grand Jury report highlights gifts made on mayor's behalf
06.30.14 - 4:27 pm | Rebecca Bowe | (4)
 
A major real-estate firm contributed $1 million to the America’s Cup Organizing Committee at the behest of Mayor Ed Lee,
 
right around the time it sought city approval to expand a downtown tech office building that was already under construction.
 
Kilroy Realty, the developer of a 30-story building that will house more than 400,000 square feet of office space for Salesforce.com, won approval in August of 2013 to add an additional six floors to its 350 Mission commercial office space project. That building is one of three in the Transbay area that will house Salesforce.com offices.


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    COUGARS COUGARS & More COUGARS

Posted 15 July 2014 - 03:36 PM

As the US Gubermint Cracks Down on people & companies holding Off-Shore accounts

 

setting up shop Off-Shore with Tax advantages as a Major Factor in picking the location

 

Will Most Likely Cost Waaaaay More in Future Hassles for any and All involved 

 

& those finding a compelling interest in such a Tax Haven are exactly the same people most likely to have found interest in other Off-Shore Tax Havens

 

DAGO will allow those w/o MegaKoin to enjoy the event in person

 

Bermuda will allow those who can't come to the US to Live Lavishly at the event 

 

One thing for Bermuda "No Speeding Tickets Driving Down in your Corvette" (SR what did that wind up costing ??)



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 01:56 AM

demon ehman ?? I thought he was fired -  :lol:
 
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demon ehman and the chalice of satan 

 

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 02:08 AM

TE is an AC Encyclopedia who could scalp you on any AC subject in a single sentence. But do keep up the nonsensical arm flailing, MSP :)

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 03:21 AM

TE is an AC Encyclopedia who could scalp you on any AC subject in a single sentence.

If that was right he could do it here, he comes around from time to time :)



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 03:34 AM

According to his FB page, he's doing a CupDate in Michigan tomorrow evening. It's a good opportunity for anyone who's nearby, if you want the historical or the current-affairs AC scoop - he can be remarkably candid.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 03:38 AM

Waiting for his comments about RC choices :)



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 03:41 AM

Waiting for his comments about RC choices :)

My guess is that TE would tell you that the big attraction RC has to Bermuda is tax avoidance.

That's not to say it's a criticism or not.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 03:44 PM

^
Not a criticism.

Don't you think it Is the defender's responsibility to host in the AmerIcas Cup regatta in the GGYC home waters?

Given Mr. Ehman is a scholar of the cup - I'd like to hear his opinion.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 04:10 PM

^
Not a criticism.

Don't you think it Is the defender's responsibility to host in the AmerIcas Cup regatta in the GGYC home waters?

Given Mr. Ehman is a scholar of the cup - I'd like to hear his opinion.

 

 

Silence is often the most powerful form of statement.



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 05:11 PM

^
Not a criticism.

Don't you think it Is the defender's responsibility to host in the AmerIcas Cup regatta in the GGYC home waters?

Given Mr. Ehman is a scholar of the cup - I'd like to hear his opinion.

 

 

Silence is often the most powerful form of statement.

 

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !!



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 05:26 PM

^
Not a criticism.

Don't you think it Is the defender's responsibility to host in the AmerIcas Cup regatta in the GGYC home waters?

Given Mr. Ehman is a scholar of the cup - I'd like to hear his opinion.

"not a criticism" meaning that for all I know, the no-taxes offer by Bermuda may be beneficial to many of the interested parties; perhaps even including to GGYC's EA run-costs. I suppose that how heavily you weigh that factor is somewhat subjective and depends on who you are or whose interests you're supposed to be taking most care of.

Yes I think it's a responsibility and a 'duty' to host in SF but legally it's just not a requirement under MC.

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Posted 16 July 2014 - 05:57 PM

^
Not a criticism.

Don't you think it Is the defender's responsibility to host in the AmerIcas Cup regatta in the GGYC home waters?

Given Mr. Ehman is a scholar of the cup - I'd like to hear his opinion.

"not a criticism" meaning that for all I know, the no-taxes offer by Bermuda may be beneficial to many of the interested parties; perhaps even including to GGYC's EA run-costs. I suppose that how heavily you weigh that factor is somewhat subjective and depends on who you are or whose interests you're supposed to be taking most care of.

Yes I think it's a responsibility and a 'duty' to host in SF but legally it's just not a requirement under MC.

ahole-

 

so according to article from stuart 

 

the possible challengers at la mtg stated they wanted it to be in sf-

 

so its not mutual consent - 

 

and they[ possible challs /competitors  must also /should be worried - 

 

that if the circus is done away from ''home waters of yc'' 

 

that it is a invalid race and their possible victory will be nullified -among other defects with 

 

ggyc /acea mangling the deed of gift and other applicable requirements -

 

see the non compliance affects to deed of gift by ggyc /acea -affects them  too- 

 

its a number of legal compliance issues not just ''logistics'' that have to be considered -



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 06:00 PM

^
Not a criticism.

Don't you think it Is the defender's responsibility to host in the AmerIcas Cup regatta in the GGYC home waters?

Given Mr. Ehman is a scholar of the cup - I'd like to hear his opinion.

 

 

Silence is often the most powerful form of statement.

poor little peter - 

 

silence is also consent 

 

that is a powerful statement - if ehman had any power  :lol:



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Posted 16 July 2014 - 06:15 PM

 

^
Not a criticism.

Don't you think it Is the defender's responsibility to host in the AmerIcas Cup regatta in the GGYC home waters?

Given Mr. Ehman is a scholar of the cup - I'd like to hear his opinion.

 

 

Silence is often the most powerful form of statement.

poor little peter - 

 

silence is also consent 

 

that is a powerful statement - if ehman had any power  :lol:

 

As opposed to your constant threats of suing everyone and doing exactly nothing.



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 03:14 PM

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 09:04 PM

 

^
Not a criticism.

Don't you think it Is the defender's responsibility to host in the AmerIcas Cup regatta in the GGYC home waters?

Given Mr. Ehman is a scholar of the cup - I'd like to hear his opinion.

"not a criticism" meaning that for all I know, the no-taxes offer by Bermuda may be beneficial to many of the interested parties; perhaps even including to GGYC's EA run-costs. I suppose that how heavily you weigh that factor is somewhat subjective and depends on who you are or whose interests you're supposed to be taking most care of.

Yes I think it's a responsibility and a 'duty' to host in SF but legally it's just not a requirement under MC.

ahole-

 

so according to article from stuart 

 

the possible challengers at la mtg stated they wanted it to be in sf-

 

so its not mutual consent - 

 

and they[ possible challs /competitors  must also /should be worried - 

 

that if the circus is done away from ''home waters of yc'' 

 

that it is a invalid race and their possible victory will be nullified -among other defects with 

 

ggyc /acea mangling the deed of gift and other applicable requirements -

 

see the non compliance affects to deed of gift by ggyc /acea -affects them  too- 

 

its a number of legal compliance issues not just ''logistics'' that have to be considered -

 

But where in the deed does it say so ?



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 09:12 PM

What worries me a little about SF now demanding that the event actually pay to hold it there (despite probably hundreds of $Millions of local revenue generated, to say nothing of the highlight reels of SF spread around the globe) is that if this is the response then the whole model breaks down. Is the city of Auckland going to also charge ETNZ's organizers should they win? How much, exactly?

I like to think it's just a par for the course SF political fiasco but if every venue decides they have the upper hand value-wise then it'll return to white dots on a distant ocean blue background and with no technology investment incentive to put us on board.

The Peskins and Avalos's of SF need some opposition to man up to them and point out the very real value of SF being a Proud Home of the America's Cup.

 

 

Problem is, more probably agree with them than do with the rest of us.

the problem is that more of them are vocal in public than we are. don't mistake that for there being more of them. in fact, i've had a VERY hard time finding anyone in my world to beat on the AC. There are many "meh"s, as there are with Giants, Niners, or anything else. but the vehement 1% haters, who wrongly associate the event with 'exclusivity"?

 

like people have said, if the two parties were to man up again and come up with decent proposals with something in it for all sides, and nary much of a whiff of greed, then i think they'd be back at the table for real. there is a lot of time for this to happen, which may have been by design anyway.

 

if it really does go to bermuda, for the sake of RC, JS and their tax free salaries, then congrats in order for making LE and all the challengers bend over and grab ankles. if it goes to SD, well that certainly blows the euro audience argument away...

 

so c'mon all you fucknuts, get this done where it should be... best sailing, biggest audience, home turf, etc. anything else will be idiotic.



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Posted 17 July 2014 - 10:12 PM

Media person (during umpteenth race delay due to calm weather): Why are you racing here rather than in San Francisco Bay?

ACEA:
- Better sailing conditions.
- Better infrastructure.
- It's what the competitors desired.
- ?

The truthful answer is: Greed.

Problem is anybody can see it - and everybody will see it. Not just AC pundits - everyone.

In the court of public opinion he will be completely exposed. How else can it possibly be spun or rationalized?

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 10:26 PM

I don't like shopping the venue either but there's no denying that it fits the pursuit of Commercial Benefits, something 90% of the posters here have been forever keen to offer their brilliant advice on:)

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 10:45 PM


I don't like shopping the venue either but there's no denying that it fits the pursuit of Commercial Benefits, something 90% of the posters here have been forever keen to offer their brilliant advice on:)

commercial benefits for whom?

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 10:53 PM

^ I forget who to credit the post to, but there was a pretty good one in the past day here about how the effort seems aimed at putting the AC on a more financially sustainable footing. That would benefit future Defenders too; perhaps it would benefit all competitors.

What I want to see happen is that the investment that LE is making, continue. And if it costs a little more to bet on SF again, then make that investment. The potential long-run returns are much better than a possible payback from some inferior venue.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 11:34 PM

If you shop it to a better sailing venue - great - but it's still annoying as a break from tradition. But to pick a lesser venue is indefensible.

If you need to defend for less money - lower your costs: House the teams in Alameda and build a tent city on Marina Green.

It's a huge risk to put the cup somewhere else. If the competition shows up, and the wind gods smile - then maybe no one will ask "Why not SF Bay". Because there is simply no good answer to that question.

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Posted 17 July 2014 - 11:46 PM

+3

And on the third, it's inevitable that any comparison to AC34's AC72s in ACSF will fail terribly if tried elsewhere. Of ~course~ there's going to be a letdown, lots of them, borderline fury among the more obsessed, unless they can top, or even approach, that Match.

AC35 with AC62s in ACSF is absolutely the only stage to try maintain that same level of spectacle. Any other place will be just a massive letdown.

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Posted 18 July 2014 - 07:07 AM

Yeah/Nah

 

The 'close racing' if you can call one team dominant and then the other close, was a coincidence, and from OTUSA/LE/ACXX's point of view the saving grace. A competitive match is not venue dependant.

Spectacle as you put it, can also happen in other places as well, especially if the quality of the coverage continues at the same level or improves. The waters and colour of Bermuda will look fantastic if it happens there and I think the genuine interest from the Bermudan public will make the lackadaisical SFers look like the jaded bunch they are. Having up to 6 functional 62's together at the same time will be good for 'the show' as well.

 

My sympathies to anyone trying to get clarity out of SF administrators, but the LE AC years look like they will be seen as trail of burned bridges.



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Posted 19 July 2014 - 06:47 AM

TE caught a 80 lb Bluefin today just 6 mi off Oceanside, El Nino






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