Where is Tom Ehman?
Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:14 AM
Sorry MSP but you really are barking mad
Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:32 AM
I live in a place Perfect for AC Sailing
Butt the current trend of Civic Leaders Nationwide @ All Levels is to Force Wankers (upon voters) into Power
with the Net Result of No One Having a Clew about matters such as the America's Cup
DAGO Has a Great Chance to host the next Cup Butt No Candidate for mayor (Vote tomorrow) gives a shit regardless of Y-klub affiliation
They have personal Eggs to fri once in office
San Diego stands to have a 100% chance of stuffing up any chance at hosting the next Cup !!!
Posted 11 February 2014 - 08:00 AM
NZ doesn't like it either. Do you not read opinion polls?
Hold on a second. Surely to make an economic impact to local businesses of 350 odd Mill plus the exposure for SF can only be positive for the city better than no millions and no exposure. It is really quite simple. I just don't get how people can see that as a bad thing other than and politicking
Sorry MSP but you really are barking mad
Posted 11 February 2014 - 09:15 AM
Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:42 PM
Racing in June, bring it on! Making the boats smaller will not slow them down, in fact I would expect faster speeds.
Posted 11 February 2014 - 06:25 PM
Wow…expensive lessons in basic sports marketing "…bumping against the NFL in Sept didn't work so well.." (I think I recall that advice in these forums about 2 years ago??).
On a slightly positive note, I do like the idea of qualifying rounds in "local" or "regional" markets, but you have to get costs waaay down so that participation in those goes up dramatically. That model only works when you have to winnow the field down to 10/12/16 or so in the LV and you have 20+ participants to start with (not even close at $100M +). 4 in the LV seems a bit off to me...
Finally I'll say, moving this out of SF is a bad idea. For one, any other potential host venue has info confirming the reality of the economic benefits (limited) and the administration doesn't have any credibility on that front - so I doubt offers elsewhere will ultimately be much better than SF's and 2) It continues the uncertainty. They need an event deal NOW in order to properly commercialize. Throwing it open, missing deadlines, and inevitable threats to walk away from the next potential host city are all turn-offs for broadcasters and sponsors. Unfortunately, that appears a likely outcome.
Posted 11 February 2014 - 10:14 PM
Am actually happy enough if it goes to Hawaii but SF, most especially for the wind machine, is a hard place to beat.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 12:29 AM
^^ Coutts tries to show he is interested by another venue, SFcity inflating its improbable "deficit", both are trying to build up their negotiation position.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 02:13 AM
Speeding Tickets don't count
What did that cost anyway ????
Posted 12 February 2014 - 04:25 AM
SAN DIEGO (AP) — Port commissioners voted unanimously Tuesday to submit a bid to host the next America's Cup on San Diego Bay in August 2017.
The commissioners, two of them sailors, spoke enthusiastically about the prospect of hosting sailing's marquee regatta. The commissioners directed the port's staff to respond to a request for information from America's Cup officials by March 3.
America's Cup officials are talking with other venues about hosting the 35th America's Cup because San Francisco officials haven't offered the same terms they did for last summer's regatta, which ended with Oracle Team USA staging one of the greatest comebacks in sports.
San Diego "definitely is one of the venues that seems to be ticking quite a lot of boxes," Russell Coutts, the CEO of Oracle Team USA, said by phone from the British Virgin Islands, where he's attending a regatta in the RC44 class, which he helped launch. "It'd be a really good venue."
Coutts said the plan is to eliminate two or three potential venues in the next month or so, and then negotiate host city agreements with two ports. One of those ports would be a backup. Officials also are looking at venues to host the challenger eliminations and warmup regattas called the America's Cup World Series.
Coutts, who skippered Team New Zealand to a 5-0 win against Dennis Conner off San Diego in 1995, said the process could stretch into the summer.
The only other confirmed potential venue is Hawaii. While not confirmed, it's believed Newport, R.I., and Long Beach, Calif., also are in the mix.
San Diego hosted the America's Cup in 1988, 1992 and 1995, with racing on the Pacific Ocean off Point Loma.
Commissioner Dan Malcolm, who said he's passionate about sailing, used a basketball analogy for the San Diego Port's bid.
"Even though we're in 3-point land on this shot, I think it is definitely worth it for the potential impact that this could have on San Diego to take this shot," he said.
Continuing the analogy, commissioner Marshall Merrifield said it was "maybe a solid outside two-point shot. This isn't just a sailing race. This is not the sailing we're used to. These are sailboats that actually fly. It's very exciting stuff, very dramatic."
The 34th America's Cup was contested in 72-foot, wing-sailed catamarans that rode up on hydrofoils, with both hulls completely out of the water. Those boats were expensive and, some felt, overpowered with their 131-foot wing sails. To cut costs, organizers are proposing sailing the next America's Cup in catamarans of 60-65 feet, with smaller wing sails and fewer sailors.
Merrifield said he felt San Diego has more to offer than San Francisco.
"We have much better stadium sailing viewing," he said. "People in Berkeley cannot see these like the folks in Coronado can."
He also said the port has more control over the services the America's Cup officials are looking for.
"We may be a stalking horse. Others may be a stalking horse. But we should put our best foot forward and be assertive," Merrifield said.
The America's Cup in San Francisco was the first to be sailed inshore rather than miles offshore.
"I think the racecourse in San Diego, quite frankly, sets up better than San Francisco," said Coutts, a five-time America's Cup winner.
Negotiations in San Francisco have perhaps reached the point of no return. Talks are at an impasse because America's Cup officials want free rent for piers, as well as have police, fire and other services provided. They're also opposed to paying the equivalent of union wages for construction work.
America's Cup officials are requesting free use of piers and fire, police and other services in San Diego, according to a presentation Tuesday by SEA San Diego. The group organized an America's Cup World Series regatta in November 2011 and a regatta in the RC44 class in March 2011, both on the bay.
If San Diego is chosen for the America's Cup, Oracle Team USA would move its base to San Diego in mid-2016.
Port officials said it was too early to calculate costs and economic impact of an America's Cup in San Diego.
While last summer's regatta gave the staid old America's Cup a remarkable adrenaline rush, it generated less economic impact in the Bay Area than projected and cost city taxpayers more than $5 million.
"Today was an important step," said SEA San Diego board member Troy Sears, who has been active in past America's Cup regattas and owns Next Level Sailing. One of his boats is a replica of the schooner America, whose victory over a fleet of British ships in 1851 gave the oldest trophy in international sports its name.
"It's nice that their enthusiasm has been revealed, and today's public hearing provided that opportunity," Sears said.
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Posted 12 February 2014 - 06:02 AM
That's a fallacy if someone else would have slept in that hotel bed, eat that restaurant meal etc. It also assumes that the city could not have spent money in other ways that would have the same or higher return.
That didn't prevent a lot of extra economic impact from happening; certainly I am one (small) example of that.
If more government or local government spending really unconditionally boosted the economy, the wrong side won the Cold War.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 07:10 AM
Larry should restore the area and Piers back to the condition they found them/it in
Hay Larry come on down and put sum Lipstick on DAGO & make a Silk Purse !!!!
Dang - wish I had thought of suggesting San Diego for a place to host it's 4th America's Cup !!!!!!
Posted 12 February 2014 - 11:47 PM
Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:09 AM
What actually matters is how a few $M of public investment generated a few $HundredM in activity.
Posted 13 February 2014 - 04:05 AM
You're right, Send that Puppy down to WOODY's Hood and he'll get streaming Kam's on the Off Daz
Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:30 AM
Among the team’s objections to San Francisco’s offer to host the event a second time are paying rent for the venue space that was provided last year and being compelled to pay union rates for labor, some involved in the negotiations said.
How discusting that minions expect to be paid! Hopefully ACalphabet can import some cheap out of towner/country types who will do it for food scraps.
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