Can I ask again, do you expect multihull organisations to cater for monos and do you complain when they do not?
Multi's were banned from the QCYC B2G so they started their own and Keelboats have always been welcome to enter if they wish. If any asked a Keelboat division would be established. Kurnell Cat Club has a monohull division because monohull sailors wanted to sail from Kurnell and it would be silly to make them form their own club.
Keelboats are very welcome to join the RMYC Multihull Division races if they want to and could choose if they want to start at the same time or 5 mins before or after and if they want to be handicapped together or separately. I can't think of anywhere where keelboats have been banned.
When you raced rally cars did you expect the organisers to cater for motorcycles, and did you complain when they did not?
Happens all the time, they don't compete in the same division, they have their own division in the same event.
Do you expect the SHSA to cater for fully crewed boats and do you complain when they do not?
In 1988 the SSAA was running a double handed race around Aust. A group of sailors were trying to run a fully crewed race in parallel but they couldn't get the numbers so they approached the SSAA and got a fully crewed division in the SSAA race. I am sure that if anyone wanted to sail fully crewed in a current SSAA race the SSAA would gladly give them their own division.
So why do the offshore monos have to allow multis in?
No-one expects CYCA to allow multi's into any of the keelboat divisions but suitable multihulls would like to sail in the race, not in the same division, not in the same handicap system, not in competition with the keelboats but alongside the keelboats with their own division with their own handicap system, just like they do all over the world.
It will happen and it will happen soon but not this year. And we don't need a national association to do it. A national association would make things better for inshore racing but there are so few interested in offshore racing that a National Multihull Association would not help there at all. Perhaps a multihull offshore racing association but how many members would you get? What is needed is for Bob Oatley, or someone else with similar money and influence to decide that he wants to do it in a multihull and I reckon that will happen very soon, maybe next year? Just buy a MOD70?
Re the issue of multis not allowing monos in to their races;
1- As a former member of KCC I know it has often been very open minded, but for many years it was strictly cats - and why not? AFAIK the monos are used only due to lack of a good kid's cat class and because of the part-takeover of the SSSC premises, with all that entailed.
KCC have been open-minded but that's probably partly because no one has whined, bitched and moaned at the fact that they are primarily a cat club. When other types have asked to race there they haven't done it by starting threads that implicitly accuse the club of being unfair single-minded stuck-in-the-muds, which is the sort of shit thrown at the CYCA.
I have tried to get a non-cat class going at another Sydney multihull club and the reply was simply "no". I have no issue with that, as there's one hell of a lot to be said for specialist clubs. However, it does prove that multi clubs can and will bar monos.
What you are claiming is that there is no room for specialist sporting organisations. That's just obviously wrong, as proven by the fact that you are calling for the formation of one on this very site!
In your thread calling for a multi association you say that the multis lost out by joining the mainstream, so why are you effectively saying that all organisations must be mainstream rather than specialist? Or do multis get to have a special organisation and not monos?
To say that keelboats could join some cat clubs is a straw man argument because keelboats go out and make their own races and most of them just want multis to do the same. Keelers don't need to join RMYC multis because they got off their arses and made their own big events decades ago and aren't sitting back waiting for the multis to make a big event for them to join.
2- I looked up the rules for Australia's major rally, the ARC. There are NO bikes and the ARC is awarded only to 2wd cars (much to the annoyance of people like my mechanic who races a 4wd in the series).
Yes, there are some lesser events that run cars and bikes but the point is that many are also just for one type - just like the CYCA only wants to race one type.
3- I was a member of the SSAA around the time of the '88 race and from some angles it could be used as a lesson about the problems of running monos and multis. For a start, the reports of the time do not say that the SSSA gave the fully-crewed boats a division; instead it says that the two races merged. IIRC there were complaints that the fully-crewed boats got a raw deal in some ways and it's obvious that they certainly got the short straw as far as press coverage went, as did all of the small monos - a bad precedent to follow. The last-placed 2hander, for example, got more press in Oz Sailing's wrap-up than the entire fully-crewed fleet!
The '88 race didn't attract any Euro multis (as they were telling Lock, it was too far to go and the market here is too small for sponsors), the fleet became so separated that the social side broke down, entries were much smaller than expected, rules had to be changed to try (unsuccessfully) to keep the fleet together despite the fact that the multis were forced to stay in port longer,
The '88 race, by the way, saw the NSW police commissioner threaten to prosecute the organisers after the first leg saw Geoff Courtis lost and the tri Escapade capsized. It's a sobering reminder why race organisers may not want to stick their necks out!
So basically, the '88 race can be seen to illustrate many problems rather than being a model to follow.
4 - Re "suitable multis would like to sail in the race". Why should anyone care about anyone who wants to do a sporting event but refuses to use gear that complies with the rules?
Cadel Evans may like to ride the Tour de France in a streamlined recumbent bicycle, but ASO is not going to let him. I may want to do the national skeet-shooting championships with a machine gun, but they won't let me. Drivers may want to do the Bathurst motorbike races or V8 races with a Formula 1 car, but no one would let them.
The multi side continually ignores the fact that throughout the sporting world and throughout sailing itself, people allow event organisers to restrict gear because specialising in specific types of gear often make for better, stronger events.
It's really extraordinarily simple - if you want to do a sporting event then you use gear that is allowed by the organisers, without slinging shit at them if they want to keep it a specialist event. If you want to use other gear, you run another event yourselves.
The multi sailors of the world run specialist events like the Texel cat race or the C Class catamaran championships - why don't they let mono sailors do the same?